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11 April 2015

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Account started editing when master was blocked, edits same target articles, comes to WP:ANI with spurious reports against Flyer22. Seems to match earlier blocked socks. Jayron32 03:07, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Based on the ANI thread's similarity to blocked sock's Jhamilton303's ANI thread, it's gotta be another sock of Cali11298. --IJBall (talk) 03:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

It'd be nice for checkuser to tie this one up. Could be a meatpuppet or some such. But this one has a very WP:DUCK feel to it. Still, the last CU found some sleepers. Maybe another checkuser is in order. --Jayron32 03:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

A comparison of the two recent AN/I complaints filed against Flyer22, this one by Jhamilton303 -- who was determined to be a sock of Cali11298 -- and the current one by Cavalierman show a similarity of content, if not so much of style, although the current one appears to be "writing down" so it won't appear to be the earlier, more fluent person. However, the game is given away a little when Cavalierman seems to be simultaneously incensed, and still able to come up with colorful expressions such as "told to pound sand" and "dont give me a shit sandwich and then tell me it tastes like French Vanilla ice cream" I think the similarities and -- especially -- the circumstances are sufficient to justify a CU having a look around. BMK (talk) 04:46, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Question: if I am the one who made the initial complaint, who do I go to? I am really starting to get irritated. I am being accused of something I didnt do now by someone else. All because of Flyer22. At this point it is the principle - I will do whatever is asked to prove my case but I want to know when it is done will he get in trouble for a false accusation? Do you realize there are a bunch of editors he keeps going to and telling on me and I am the one who noone believes. Its just irritating. Cavalierman (talk) 06:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

If you aren't a "sock", then you want the CheckUser, as it would definitively clear your name... You know, if you aren't a "sock"... --IJBall (talk) 06:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cavalierman - Probably the best thing you can do is to swear on your grandfather's grave that you're not a sock. That's usually effective. BMK (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's Cavalierman's explanation for why he seems to know more about Misplaced Pages than most brand-new editors:

I go to a a top tier school out East which is why I probably sound more educated than most people on here. ... A lot of people think I am older than I am from the way I carry myself but I didn't realize it also translates to online too.

Very believable.

Actually, it appears that the person behind Cavalierman is having a bit of trouble keeping his character's writing skills straight. For instance, the comment just above is well structured and coherent, without the use of slang or colloquialism -- very similar to Jhamilton's comment on the last SPI -- but in the back-and-forth with User:Arkon on Cavalierman's talk page, there's a lot of slang and colloquial usages (as well as the statement that "there is literally something wrong with him" about Flyer22, a WP:NPA).

Cavalierman does reveal, though, the point behind his latest AN/I posting: he wants to "go after hard. To teach them a lesson. A lesson in humility." That's understandable, since Flyer22 just humiliated Cali11298's previous sock, Jhamilton303. BMK (talk) 07:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Fine go ahead and do a Checkuser. Im game. What info do u need? Cavalierman (talk) 07:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: I already mentioned at WP:ANI that I did not call Cavalierman a WP:Sockpuppet (except for stating at WP:ANI that I believe he is one). I indicated that he is not a new editor; I did this while alerting editors to recent WP:Sockpuppetry at an article and suggesting that they take a closer look at the Cavalierman account. The Cavalierman account struck me as suspicious. I also alerted the talk pages of the other three articles that Beyond My Ken (BMK) named in the previous Cali11298 WP:Sockpuppet investigation. When an editor questioned my method of suggesting that the Cavalierman account may need scrutiny, I revised the statement. I did not bother Cavalierman after stating that I was done with him. He kept pursuing me and/or fixating on me. His claims of me hounding him and that there "are a bunch of editors going to and telling on " are false. And that is all that I have to state in this WP:Sockpuppet investigation. Flyer22 (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• comment I agree with Flyer. I suspect this is a related sock based on the editing and self-descriptions. Well worth a look. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• comment I am in agreement with capitalismojo. Flyer has accused both of us so we are in the same boat.Cavalierman (talk) 03:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'm thinking of a word, two syllables, rhymes with "rolling". BMK (talk) 04:48, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Additional comment only because of Bbb23's statement below: Bbb23, regarding Reaper Eternal's statement, he also indefinitely blocked the Cali11298 account for continued WP:Sockpuppetry. If he was stating that the technical data is unlikely, then I would like to hear why he indefinitely blocked the Cali11298 account and has not WP:Blocked the Cavalierman account. Therefore, I have removed your "close" tag. I think that it is best that he explains here in this case. Reaper Eternal, will explain why you indefinitely blocked the Cali11298 account? Is it because you found more WP:Sockpuppetry while running the WP:CheckUser tool? Did you find no evidence that Cavalierman is a WP:Sockpuppet, even if not of the Cali11298 account? Did you find no evidence of a WP:Proxy or other tool that has made blocking on technical data difficult for WP:CheckUsers? Flyer22 (talk) 02:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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• Reaper Eternal stated at the ANI discussion about Flyer22 and Cavalierman that the technical connection was very  Unlikely. I am therefore closing this with no action.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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