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			{{archivetop\|The result of the disscussion is '''no consensus'''. Per ], the status quo, without infobox, remains. <br>This being a controversial subject I'll make an explanatory statement here: ] indeed discourages the addition of infoboxes. Since there is no global guideline that requires or prohibits infoboxes, ] can be established. The supporters of the infobox would then have to show how this article is better off with an infobox, over the objections of the WikiProject. That has not been done. Most of the !voters did not address the points in question, but only voted support or oppose because they always appear at any infobox discussion and vote there according to their preferences, without considering the actual article. Other !voters state the usual rationales in infobox discussions, for example the perennial microformats emission. The internet has already several billions of bits of info on Beethoven, I severely doubt that any microformats are necessary here. That leaves us to determine the "status quo" or the "stable version": The article was created originally without infobox, and remained so until May 22, 2013, when a now indef blocked user added one. This box was removed on the next day and the article remained without infobox until November 29, 2014, when a box was added again, by a user who did not make any other edits to this article. This box was, after some haggling and minor edit-warring, removed on December 26, 2014, and the article has remained without an infobox ever since. The stable version is thus, without any doubt, the version without an infobox, and that is also the current status quo. Therefore, to add an infobox at '''this''' article, consensus must be achieved to add an infobox before one could be added, and not the other way round. ] (]) 17:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)}}

	According to ], shouldn't the deletion of this article's infobox be considered? ''''']'''''. ] 15:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)		According to ], shouldn't the deletion of this article's infobox be considered? ''''']'''''. ] 15:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
	: No. That page merely reflects the preferences of a small group and Wikiprojects don't decide site-wide policy. The actual guidance is at ]: {{tq\|"The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article."}} You should, of course, feel free to start a discussion to see if any consensus can be reached. HTH --] (]) 23:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)		: No. That page merely reflects the preferences of a small group and Wikiprojects don't decide site-wide policy. The actual guidance is at ]: {{tq\|"The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article."}} You should, of course, feel free to start a discussion to see if any consensus can be reached. HTH --] (]) 23:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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	* '''Support''' an infobox for all the reasons I've outlined above. --] (]) 16:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)		* '''Support''' an infobox for all the reasons I've outlined above. --] (]) 16:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
	{{od}}Johnbod, you raise issues problem not solveable here. The infoboxes are not standardized- yet- in part because every time someone like Andy suggests that we don't need different designs for, (as an example) every mass transit system in the world, someone starts screaming about the template they own. Ditto mobile devices, not solveable here. This stuff may point to a need to fix the WP software so infoboxes appear properly on phones. To me, music lends itself particularly well to an infobox to summarize key points. Frankly, I would think that phones ought to display an infobox FIRST and then the narrative. All of this is a work in progress, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:02, 2 January 2015 (UTC)		{{od}}Johnbod, you raise issues problem not solveable here. The infoboxes are not standardized- yet- in part because every time someone like Andy suggests that we don't need different designs for, (as an example) every mass transit system in the world, someone starts screaming about the template they own. Ditto mobile devices, not solveable here. This stuff may point to a need to fix the WP software so infoboxes appear properly on phones. To me, music lends itself particularly well to an infobox to summarize key points. Frankly, I would think that phones ought to display an infobox FIRST and then the narrative. All of this is a work in progress, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:02, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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