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== Incidentally ==

When is the inexplicable removal of the responses of scientists and scientific organisations going to be undone? I've discussed this on the talk page and there seems to be no significant opposition, and without recording that huge and ongoing response our article lacks the balance necessary to make sense of the subsequent vindications. The inquiry findings are unsurprising to those who are aware of this perspective, but have obviously caught many observers unaware. We need to permit the reader to see how the inquiries follow a path dictated by the scientific illiteracy of the trumped up charges, which were recognised very early on by those competent to do so. ] (=] ) 01:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== FYI ==

Please see ]. You have been involved with this issue in the past, perhaps you could help with investigation. -- ''']''' (]) 19:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:I posted a query, below your comment, at that page. -- ''']''' (]) 22:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== 3 of 4 ==

. -- ] (]) 19:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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== WP:GS/CC/RE ==

I closed the ] enforcement request against you as ''No further action needed.'' As noted in the discussion section, being more careful in your future editing would be appreciated, though. Regards, - ] <small>(])</small> 20:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notification. -- ] (]) 21:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== please restore cited material ==

You just deleted whole-sale entire paragraphs that were with the rationale of "completely rewritten section; serious BLP issues with previous content." Such extensive rewriting should be done by consensus, at least before deleting 5 paragraphs. Can you please restore the edit? This was far superior and much easier to navigate. Now the SA section is one big cluster that is very hard to read. ] (]) 00:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Please read my reply on the article talk page. -- ] (]) 09:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

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:I suggest you read ]. -- ] (]) 23:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've read it. the material you removed is neither unsourced nor poorly sourced, it was sourced to the leadign newspapers in Israel, as well as to the Jewish Chron. ] (]) 23:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::You evidently missed the fact that the Chomsky paragraph is sourced to his own personal website, in contravention of ], and the Derschowitz claim is simply defamatory. If you restore it again you will be taken to arbitration enforcement. -- ] (]) 23:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You've removed much more than the Chomsky paragraph, and the rest of your deletions were of material sourced to Yediot, Ha'aretz and the Jerusalem Post - all of which are reliable sources. I've reported you for edit warring. ] (]) 00:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Violation of ] at ] ==

Hi, you have violated ] at ]. I recommend that you self-revert yourself, otherwise I will be reporting you for edit warring. ] (]) 00:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:The issue is at arbitration enforcement now - see ]. I'm obviously not going to revert to a version that contains serious BLP violations. -- ] (]) 00:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ok, then I am forced to take it to the edit warring board. Also, I see that you have notified someone of the discretionary sanctions. You will notice that at the bottom of that message, it says that administrators are intended to be giving out that notification. ] (]) 00:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Since Momma's Little Helper is a relatively new editor, s/he needed to be aware of those sanctions. That's now been done. -- ] (]) 00:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::As I said, the notification makes it very clear that admins are intended to inform editors of those sanctions, and then record the notification on the appropriate page. As you are not an admin, I will suggest that in the future you ask an admin to give the notification if you feel the user needs to be made aware. While we're on the topic, have you been made aware of the sanctions? If not, I think an admin needs to officially do that. ] (]) 00:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I was involved in ''enforcing'' the sanctions as an admin. -- ] (]) 00:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==Bishop Hill blog==
Chris, I favor merger of this blog article to the Montford article, and I also believe that it is so lacking in notability that it needs to be stripped to its bare essentials in any merger. However, it is by no means a certainty that the article on this blog is going to be merged. There is even sentiment for merging Montford into this blog article. If this article survives, it needs to be a fair and balanced article, and currently it reads like hagiography. I hope you'll reconsider removing the description of the blog in that British blog book, as it adds balance to an article that sorely needs it. Thanks, ] (]) 02:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== request for arbitration ==

Hi,
I see you are the leader of the Kosovo Wikiproject,
I would like some advice on this :
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I have created a bunch of issues to look into and would like some guidance.
]

thanks,
mike
James Michael DuPont 16:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

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{{Barnstar|Image:Goldenwiki 2.png|text="Awarded to ChrisO for acting as an example of reason, fairness, firmness and civility as a stunning editor"}} -- ] ] 09:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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Every edit by this IP seems to be a hoax + vandalism. They all need reverting and he needs blocking. All are unreferenced and unverifiable. ] ] 13:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

It makes no sense to list Israel and Palestine if you are assuming that "Palestine" refers to the geographical region. The source is clearly referring to the Palesitnian territories, and they simply made a mistake in their terminology. Just as you said about Goldstone, there is no reason why we should carry through a clear error from a source. This harms the integrity of our encyclopedia. ] (]) 17:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

:I've posted a reply to the article talk page. -- ] (]) 17:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::You didn't post a response... you didn't address the issue. You just repeated something irrelevant. Writing Israel and Palestine is one of two things. A) Superfluous or B) Against NPOV policies. Take your pick. In any case, I responded on the article talk page. ] (]) 18:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
You still failed to address the issue, and posting a notice on the No Original Research board is an interesting choice. Anyway, I won't be violating ], but I hope you will consider the edit you have put into place and think carefully about whether or not you want your record to show an example of such POV-pushing. Because now that I have made it very clear to you that the author could not have logically been referring to ] as a geographic region, it is clear that you are supporting the use of the term "Palestine" to refer to the "Palestinian territories". ] (]) 18:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm supporting nothing of the sort. The basic facts are not in dispute. The source clearly does not use the terminology you want to use; changing cited text to fit your own political views is emphatically not allowed. -- ] (]) 18:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sources can be found that call the ] a massacre. This doesn't mean that we refer to it on Misplaced Pages as such. Doing so would violate Misplaced Pages policies. Your edit does the same thing. ] (]) 18:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::That's a complete different issue of conflicting POVs. One side calls it a massacre, the other has a different POV. I note that our ] article refers to both POVs, as it should. That has nothing to do with the issue here, which is whether editors should be able to "correct" sources that they think are wrong. -- ] (]) 18:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::::It is an identical issue, actually. If we used a source like Al Jazeera for info on the Gaza War, we would not call it a massacre, even though Al Jazeera does. The article ] makes mention of the fact that some people refer to it as "Palestine". Just like the ] article mentions that some people use the word "massacre". This has everything to do with the issue here. ] (]) 18:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Goldstone ==

Hi Chris, I took a bit closer look at the article today. On its face I see really no particular issues with it, except there are some segments I think may be really too long -- so much exposition that at points it approaches repetitious. Classic signs of too much research to try to shoehorn into a format! Other than that, I don't particularly see any text that needs to be changed. But, with that being said, I am not really familiar enough with this subject to know whether there are any holes in the story that need to be plugged, either. That's why I am really hoping that the detractors at the article's talk page will make a genuine attempt at polite discussion about portions they dislike, ''with'' proposed changes. Maybe they'll be valid suggestions and maybe they won't, but in any case for now I will continue trying to entice them into productive discussions and hope it bears fruit. Thanks again. &mdash; ]\<sup>]</sup> 02:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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== ARBPIA notifications ==

No big deal. In the past, the same issue led to a dust-up between Jaakobou and RolandR.

I don't know why the template language says anything about who has to provide the notice. Obviously an uninvolved admin has to impose the sanctions, but I don't see what difference it makes who provides the notification. <shrug> —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 21:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's especially odd as the arbitration remedies don't mandate that the notification should be posted by an administrator. They say merely that "Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision; and, where appropriate, should be counseled on specific steps that he or she can take to improve his or her editing in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines." Let's take that bit out of the template language; it's causing too many problems and doesn't have any rational basis that I can see. -- ] (]) 21:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks for your note. I think the proposed change is a good one. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

== You ruined my article ]! ==

Actually, nice work - especially pointing out that the tributaries aren't actually in Egypt. It would be good to make the list look more like a list...but that could be tricky. Anyway, I think the next internet searcher who wants to know whether there are any other rivers in Egypt will have a more definitive answer. ] 04:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Rubbing salt into wounds... ==

...Like , is not particularly helpful. You're not a neutral party in this, so you shouldn't pretend to be. Let ''me'' deal with enforcement. ] &#124; ] 17:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not enforcing anything; I'm simply pointing out the policy requirements, since nobody else did. If you want to do that yourself, that's fine by me. -- ] (]) 17:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== You have been mentioned ==

You have been mentioned extensively . While I am only interested in an explanation from Georgewilliamherbert at this point, I thought I owed you the notification that I mentioned your name several times (though I have no doubt that you would have found it on your own). You are welcome to comment if you feel it necessary. Have a wonderful afternoon, ] (]) 17:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Email? ==

Could you email me to let me know your email address? I may have it somewhere but I can't seem to find it now. I wanted to make a private comment about our discussion of some WP:BLP issues.--] (]) 20:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:I've emailed you. -- ] (]) 21:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Erasing Palestine... ==

] appears to be on a campaign to remove links to the article on ] as well as removing reference to "Palestine" in other links -- even insisting on this in that article on a snake (]). Here's a sample of recent changes along these lines: , , , , , , , . Seems to me like a sustained POV campaign that should be addressed somewhere/somehow. Any thoughts on where/how? ] (]) 12:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'd suggest raising it on AN/I. It's an obvious campaign of POV disruption. -- ] (]) 13:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can I suggest you raise it with Breein1007 first ? Despite being a diehard advocate for the State of Israel, bless him, Breein1007 will listen to policy based arguments if you catch him in a good mood. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 15:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Goldstone ==

I know you volunteered to take a 2 week break from the article for which I'm very grateful. I think it's best if all the most vocal editors took a break. This is just to let you know that per the AE thread you started, it's been made official, so please don't edit the article or its talk page for 14 days from my timestamp. There's no ban on discussing it in other fora, but I'd appreciate it if you could do your bit to avoid fuelling the dispute any further. Your cooperation would be ''very'' much appreciated. The same goes for {{User|Lev Reitblat}} and {{User|Wikifan12345}} so if you feel they have violated this ban, you may request action on my talk page or at AE. Best, ] &#124; ] 17:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gratuitous Comments ==
In the future, please refrain from leaving gratuitous comments on my Talk page as you did .--] (]) 02:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Blatant anti-Chuckle Brothers bias ==

reveals the true extent of your bias against the Chuckle Brothers! (By which I mean: ''"Good catch. Embarrassed I missed it..."'') ]<sup>]</sup> 13:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:I freely admit to being biased against the Chuckle Brothers - can't stand 'em. It takes all sorts... -- ] (]) 13:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== ] map ==

You mentioned something about coordinates. I've responded with sources in the talk page with a source if you are interested. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

for keeping some kind of control over the interception articles. We disagree on some things but are both committed to the project. And thanks for your praise on the semiprotection.--] (]) 14:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Any chance of getting ] put under the same protection for the time being ? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gaza Flotilla clash ==

See the edit you removed. The whole passage doesnt deal with Twitter, i was just restoring what was previously cited, at anyr ate, i took out thw twitter bit.] (]) 22:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chris, can I get your input on the Notable people section? The entire section was moved to a separate article but then a few names were left and some what was left seemed biased. I opened up a talk section and temporarily removed the names/bias. Thoughts from an experienced editor would be appreciated. :) ] (]) 09:52, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the helpful edits there :) ] (]) 10:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::No problem! -- ] (]) 11:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
--] (]) 09:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC) Mr ChrisO ! can you explain me, how you see my edit as "Vandalizing" ? I only used the most appropriate words which explains the true situation and the events. So you please tell me which of my words you think causing vandalization? ] (]) 09:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Do you have more diffs? ==

about his edit warring? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring --] (]) 00:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:No, I posted what I had. -- ] (]) 00:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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::Yes well done indeed. I hope it's no breach of sanctions to note for you that on the flotilla page, one ship's name is transcribed errationally. Ie. Eleftheri Mesogeio (Eλεύθερη Mεσόγειος) =Eleftheri Mesoyio'''s'''. No doubt newspapers don't care for these things, but if 'eu' is transcribed, appropriately, as pronounced ('ef'), then linguistic coherence requires that this principle of phonetic transcription should hold for the rest of the phrase. Regards] (]) 13:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I thought of that issue. :-) The transliteration comes from a Greek newspaper. Greek names are a pain to transliterate accurately, so I tend to prefer taking the transliterations directly from Greek sources. -- ] (]) 13:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pie for you! ==

{{User:Arakunem/Pie|reaching 40,000 edits!}}]] 16:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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== The Gore Effect ==

To put a stake through its heart properly you need to create the AFD page ] (]) 07:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:In progress! -- ] (]) 07:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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BLP happening there. ] ] 18:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

== Photo ==

I've removed the photo, added by another editor (I just moved it assuming it was legit). ] (]) 20:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:No problem ;) ] (]) 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== ANI ==

For the avoidance of doubt, may I specifically draw your attention to my in the ANI thread you started? Regards, <font color="#A20846">╟─]]►]─╢</font> 10:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{Talkback|Talk:The_Gore_Effect#It_never_snows_in_London|ts=11:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)}}

== Still waiting ==

For you to remove this As you have already edited that talk page today and not removed it i can only assume you did missed my request for you to redact it ] (]) 17:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:You have been online twice since i posted this message, please redact your PA or i will have no option but to file a RFE ] (]) 13:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

== Talkback ==


The sections got refactored, so I'm posting this to avoid the possibility that you looked at the prior message and didn't realize what it referred to.

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== House of Iran in Balboa Park ==

Hi, Chris! I got your note asking if I could take a picture of the plaque in front of the House of Iran, in Balboa Park (in San Diego). I'm not likely to be getting to the park any time soon, so maybe you'd better ask someone else. Here's the House of Iran website, http://houseofiransandiego.org/ , and their e-mail, info@houseofiransandiego.org , maybe somebody affiliated with them could take the picture for you and e-mail it to you. --] (]) 14:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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== Thought you might be interested ==
See ]. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font> 00:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Please would you add this to your BLP watchlist. ] ] 10:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== No Scibaby Sock ==

I recently made a suggestion for a relatively minor edit on the Global Warming discussion page. As near as I can tell, you immediately declared that I was a sock puppet for a user named Scibaby.

I haven't the slightest idea of who that person is. In addition, I was not trying to be controversial in my suggestion. I suppose that's my fault for wading into that particular pool (i.e., Global Warming), but I was honestly attempting to improve the page. I can assure you it won't happen again.

In the meantime, if you would be so kind as to explain how I can get myself off of the blacklist so that I can at least return to more innocuous activities such as word-smithing from time to time, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance... <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: It was me . If you're not a sock, feel free to re-write your user page ] (]) 17:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

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== Hello ==

Hello Chris, I noticed your fine work at the Gaza flotilla picture. You edited it in a very professional way. Now there is this other image: concerning the after 1967 borders it says: ''"Israeli territory after the Six Day War"''.. do you think you can remove the pov? something more neutral, for example change it to ''"Held by Israel after the Six Day War"'' ? I would do it myself but don't know how to use photoshop. --] (]) 12:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:No problem, I'll take a look at it. -- ] (]) 14:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::Great job! --] (]) 14:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::Btw, what software are you using for image editing? --] (]) 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::]. -- ] (]) 22:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==]==
Chris, I am new to Misplaced Pages disputes. But please get mediation / editorial review rather than deleting my edit (and other people's, s.a. ]) containing two sentences of well-sourced, relevant information over and over again. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I've already asked for outside views. Let's see what other people say. -- ] (]) 08:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! ] (]) 09:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Second Chance Program ==

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Wow. Gulp, and here I was, in the process of drafting up a ''very'' similar article with about 50 sources or so, and was about ready to save it live in a couple days. Oh well, I guess I shall try to incorporate my secondary-source-research, into yours. :P -- ''']''' (]) 13:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

:Great minds think alike! Feel free to amend the article as needed. -- ] (]) 13:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing, there is enough significant coverage and discussion in secondary sources, such that the ] and later ramifications and subsequent impact on 2010 election analysis, campaign advertising, etc, could be its own separate article..... -- ''']''' (]) 13:22, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Could you draft something up focusing on the Nevada issue? I had a look at it but I didn't think there was enough to spin out into a separate article. -- ] (]) 13:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Will do. ;) -- ''']''' (]) 13:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've also submitted the new article to ] - hopefully we can get a DYK out of it. -- ] (]) 13:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I copyedited it a bit, I think it is a bit shorter in total characters now? -- ''']''' (]) 13:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Good job - it's shorter by 4 chars so I've updated that figure. -- ] (]) 13:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Tad bit more trimmed. -- ''']''' (]) 13:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Will this be a GA, after DYK? :P -- ''']''' (]) 14:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:Don't see why not, let's see what reaction it gets. I mentioned it on WWP and Ex-Scn to ask for some feedback and/or corrections. -- ] (]) 14:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, interesting, good luck. ;) -- ''']''' (]) 15:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

== Interesting ==

Glad to see Goldstone has stabilised. Good luck with the GA nom. Best, ] &#124; ] 14:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks HJ. The GA nom is just to get some outside views of the article. -- ] (]) 14:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet investigation ==
I see that you struck out this comment explaining that it's a "Probable sockpuppet of banned User:GoRight". I'm unfamiliar with the sockpuppet investigations so I don't know how this is supposed to work, but when I go to ], I don't see where this decision has been reached. I see people talking about the possibility and recommendation to do a CU, but no final determination. ] (]) 23:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

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== ] - good work! ==

I have been thinking for a while of writing an article about this, but probably wouldn't have got around to it. You've not only done an article, but a far better one than I would have done. Bravo! I still hope to improve ] and ] and I'll consult your article for relevant links. ] (]) 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

==Comment==
Re, if you think someone is wikistalking you the ''worst'' thing to do is ask them to stop. It only confirms to them that they're getting to you, which is their goal. (No comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the wikistalking contention.) Really, in almost all cases the best way to respond to perceived provocations and gamesmanship is to ignore it. ] (]) 12:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually on this occasion my impression was incorrect, so I reverted myself. This wasn't a case of wikistalking. -- ] (]) 12:19, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::Excellent. Carry on. ] (]) 12:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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:Congratulations! ;) -- ''']''' (]) 21:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Assuming good faith ==

Hi, Chris, I have a bone to pick with you wrt AGF. ] you misquoted a report, which may have been an honest error on your part, but compounded with the time you all out of meaning, I have reason not to assume good faith on your part when you quote others. While recognizing your abundant and valuable contributions, I am unable to take your quotes at face value. <br />
I would like to collaborate collegially and fruitfully with you, and so am asking if you will retract and apologize for these two blunders. (Well, for the first one--you did apologize for the second, but I'd still like your personal assurance that it was an honest mistake and that you didn't back down just because you were caught.) The first was not only either a deliberate distortion or an inexcusably sloppy error, but a personal attack, and your failure to rectify your mistake led me to believe you didn't care to.

<small>What must be accepted is that this is an encyclopedia, not a legal document or technical journal, and some readers will interpret words to mean one thing and others another. Yopienso (talk) 23:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I find it hard to take you seriously when you claim, as you do on the article incubator talk page, that you are working to try to gain "ascendancy over ideologues who want to spin it to the left." -- ChrisO (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Chris, please don't cherry-pick quotes to misconstrue my comments. The comment in full reads:

''Please publish post haste! This, and Jimbo Wales' comments re. Climategate, renew my hope in the possibility that Misplaced Pages's stated principle of neutrality may regain the ascendancy over ideologues who want to spin it to the left. (Just please don't anyone accuse me of wanting to spin it to the right--I don't. Conservapedia exists for that purpose. It's dismaying when WP veers almost as sharply to the left as they do to the right--let's work together here for neutrality and verifiability.)''

I take you very seriously as a threat to Misplaced Pages's neutrality and accuracy.
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I'm very sorry I forgot to sign this! (The sig from March looked big.) I'm hoping for a good working relationship together in the future. Regards, --] (]) 01:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:Still hoping to hear from you. --] (]) 03:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::Am I to understand you do not wish to rectify your error? or to work with me? --] (]) 16:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Sorry about the delay in replying - I had intended to reply earlier but have had to deal with a family emergency (I'm just back from the hospital). The short answer is that your comments were rather clearly expressions of a battlefield mentality - i.e. that you think "left-wing ideologues" (who?) are responsible for the current name of the ] article. As I recall, the discussion about the article name was not about "left" or "right" but NPOV, which is of course not a left-right issue. Your framing of the issue as a left-right one is mistaken and, frankly, unhelpful. -- ] (]) 20:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::::No problem about the delay; I hope your loved ones are well. <br />
::::. You have inserted the word "left-wing." If you found "ideologues who want to spin it to the left" an offensive term, I apologize for offending you. I can't see how that, or anything, would justify misrepresenting me. (Do note that the POV on this issue has quite a lot to do with right- and left-wing politics. Unless I'm mistaken, most alarmists are left and most deniers right.)
::::So, do you wish to rectify your error? Do you wish to work with me as a fellow WP editor? --] (]) 00:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::I agree that the issue overlaps to some extent with left-right politics but you're wrong to assume that politics has been dictating Misplaced Pages editors' positions. Admittedly, the denialist position ''is'' dictated by politics - it's well outside the scientific consensus and it's almost entirely associated with the political right. The so-called "alarmist" position is within the consensus, which predicts impacts ranging from serious to catastrophic, and is supported by people from both left and right. It is a scientifically respectable position, unlike the denialist position. Taking a position on a scientific issue may be influenced by politics but it's simply wrong to suggest that people favouring a mainstream scientific viewpoint - your so-called "alarmism" - are merely "ideologues who want to spin it to the left".
:::::Obviously I do want to work with you and I'm sorry if you feel I was misrepresenting you, but I should point out that you also made a personal attack on me - "I take you very seriously as a threat to Misplaced Pages's neutrality and accuracy". In the interests of starting afresh, will you apologise for that remark? -- ] (]) 09:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::This isn't about my feelings, but about neutrality and accuracy. I gratefully accept with good faith that you want to work with me, and although we will probably not ever entirely agree on what "neutral" looks like, civility, candor, and personal integrity can "neutralize" :-) that bogeyman. Ex.: Dave souza and I work together in mutual respect even though we sharply disagree on POV in some cases. I'm expecting the same for us.
::::::Regarding accuracy, however, I didn't just ''feel'' that you misrepresented me--you ''did'' misrepresent me. You have not yet acknowledged or corrected or apologized for your inaccuracy, and your failure to rectify it at the time indicated to me it was deliberate. My "I take you very seriously as a threat to Misplaced Pages's neutrality and accuracy" was no attack but an honest expression of my perception of your "I find it hard to take you seriously when you claim, as you do on the article incubator talk page, that you are working to try to gain 'ascendancy over ideologues who want to spin it to the left.'" Were you making a personal attack against me? I understood it so. Had a hasty misreading of my original comment caused you to misunderstand me? I would forgive you for that. If so, why did you ignore my protest? Perhaps you did not see it due to my failure to sign it. I'm hopeful we can sort this out and move forward. --] (]) 13:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since I'm sincerely hoping for a fresh start and not wanting to pester you, this will be my last attempt to work through this issue with you. It's important to me that we can assume good faith with each other, and I can't with you if you won't take responsibility for your actions. I've left you two easy outs to save face--1. you read my original comment too quickly and honestly misunderstood me, 2. you didn't see my protest because I neglected to sign it. So, did you intentionally cherry-pick my words, thus distorting my meaning, or was this all a big mistake for which you wish to apologize? --] (]) 15:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Don Murphy and socks ==

I full protected because I counted four editors involved in the edit war. I'm not a CU, so I'm not really sure what I can do to expedite the sockpuppetry investigation, but I certainly have no objection to unprotection if all involved are socks. ] (]) 17:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. ] (]) 19:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hey. I have no interest in the matter, but I thought you might want to know about , just in case you hadn't seen it. ] (]) 10:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yup, seen it - thanks. -- ] (]) 09:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Cheonan ROKS article ==

I have read and understood WP undue and NPOV. I respect the intentions behind these policies is not to allow the informational content of articles to be clogged up with hearsay and other unsubstantiated claims. However, you need to look at the Korean version of the article to see that the source you deleted (seoprise.com) though it might appear amateurish to you, is a highly respected political blog in Korea, serving a function at times similar to Wikileaks in a society where expressing dissenting opinion can cost you your career or worse. I understand you are a senior WP editor so I will defer to your judgement (what choice do I have?), however I have seen in my attempts to bring more nuance to this article that WP tends towards parroting MSM media claims as 'reliable sources' when in fact they are all copying from the same script. 'Overwhelming opinion' this is not, the homogeneity of 'opinion' across MSM is simply due to there being little financial benefit for journalists or editors to get to a more nuanced version of a story. I maintain that WP should allow more space for well-reasoned, well-sourced arguments which challenge mainstream opinion. In the case of the ROKS Cheonan sinking article, the Korean version is far more more informative and less (in my opinion) manipulative. Misplaced Pages should be neutral and independent of political influences one way or another. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->--] (]) 17:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:ChrisO, sources which are considered unreliable in English are often considered more reliable in their home countries or native language. In Korea, from what I understand, blogs are often given more credibility as sources than in the west. ] (]) 01:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you'd read the reply I left on the editor's talk page, you'd have seen that he was addressing the wrong editor - I didn't remove the source he mentions. Please don't jump to conclusions. -- ] (]) 01:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Got it. But notice I didn't defend keeping the blog as a reference in the article. I'm reserving judgement on if it should be used just because it is used in the Korean article. ] (]) 01:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Likewise, I haven't passed any judgement on it, because I don't know enough (or for that matter anything!) about it to form a judgement of its reliability. That said, the fact that it's used in the Korean article doesn't really mean anything - that's a separate project, and I've noticed that the non-English wikis often tend to have lower content standards. I constantly find that articles in English are of a much higher standard, though that is probably more to do with the greater maturity of .en's development than anything else. -- ] (]) 01:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's a tough question. Many of the ] here in Japan would probably be considered trash sources in the west, but in Japan they have more credibility because they're willing and able to tackle important stories, not just celebrity gossip, that the big Japanese newspapers, for a myriad of reasons, often won't touch. ] (]) 01:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You touch on an important point - the reliability of sources isn't absolute, but is something of a cultural construct. The shūkanshi are an excellent example. The difficulty comes in translating an article based on one culture's idea of reliability (say something cited to shūkanshi sources) to an article reliant on a different culture's idea of reliability (as in the case of an English-language article). -- ] (]) 01:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==Delingpole==
Delingpole's newspaper blog is considered a reliable source under our guidelines. Calling it "junk" is not helpful. You can insist on attribution if you want to when using it, but you cannot claim it is unreliable. ] (]) 01:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== RfPP ==

I had to revert of yours on RfPP, because it inadvertently removed several previous posts. You may want to restore whichever part of your own post you were updating. <font color="blue">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font></sup></small> 02:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== GoRight ==

I support to remove taunts. I feel that creating pages for banned sockpuppets ], ], and ] by ] (] | ]) (himself an obvious sockpuppet) and then associating them with GoRight is in the same vain. One user has , but that was immediately reverted. ] (]) 22:20, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:It looks like this Kindzmarauli person thinks they're being helpful. I disagree with their approach (preferring instead ]), but can accept that they are acting in good faith. ] (]) 22:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Comment at Climategate ==
Your comment at our Climategate article about the current ArbCom case took me by surprise. I thought everyone heavily involved in the CC debates already knew about it. This is the first time I've ever been involved in an ArbCom and I'm not sure about the correct procedures to follow. I know that nobody told me about it either. They haven't gotten to my evidence yet, and things seems to be going slowly, so you should have plenty of time to respond. Thanks. ] (]) 00:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Short answer is no, I wasn't aware until very recently - why should I have been? I'm not a party and I wasn't notified at any stage by anyone. I'm not a general participant in CC articles - I've only ever edited a small number of articles in that topic area. -- ] (]) 19:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== PLEASE UNPROTECT THE FYROM PAGE ==

Dear Chris Hello,

As there is a different History presentation.... and until now the name is an open issue...

We want to translate the Greek FYROM Page http://el.wikipedia.org/search/?title=FYROM to the en version of wikipedia

Please unprotect the FYROM page in the EN version of the 💕 WIKIPEDIA

Thanks for your understanding and your support

] (]) 19:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:I'm afraid I'm not able to do that, since I can't unprotect pages. If you'd like to ask an admin to unprotect that page, please ask at ]. -- ] (]) 19:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Alternatively you could add the proposed text to the talk page. ] ] 07:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

==why are you not an admin?==
] ] 07:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:I was for a long time, but resigned. It's simply too much hassle, frankly. -- ] (]) 08:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== von Däniken ==

Well possible vD is a reliable source as well, at least his books are cited in these two academic sources. :) --] (]) 19:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Shhh, you'll give certain people ideas. ;-) -- ] (]) 19:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Big picture ==

If you look at this from a wide angle, the Sussman et al. material could be used to show how a campaign against climate science has been waged for political and religious reasons. This could help inform the topic of the CRU incident, in effect describing the main antagonists and their audience, as well as their underlying motivations. ] (]) 22:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== RFE ==

Not sure that was a good idea. Anyway, you say ''I'm being accused by other editors of edit-warring, BLP violations and adding "bad sources" against consensus.'' - this should be supported by specific diffs demonstrating this behaviour ] (]) 08:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I have closed this. As far as I can see you acted appropriately in good faith and got a bit of unjustified flak. But RFE isn't really for vindication, sorry. --] ] 09:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

:OK, thanks for letting me know. -- ] (]) 12:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Minor4th|ts=19:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)}}

== ] threats ==
Why are you threatening your fellow editors? How is this ] or being ]? Please explain to me the nature of the issue so we can discuss it. ] (]) 00:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please see ] and below. There's nothing to discuss, as it's been resolved. -- ] (]) 00:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::How is it a blatant copyright issue? Please explain the rationale. ] (]) 00:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I just posted a link to the explanation. Now please go and read it. -- ] (]) 00:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I did read it and we have a media reception section in the article. ] (]) 00:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Have you ever done NFCC copyright enforcement? Patrolled speedy deletions? Deleted copyright violations? No? Then I suggest that you drop this, because you're out of your depth. -- ] (]) 00:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::No, I haven't. So be ] , ] and explain to me the issue. ] (]) 00:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I have explained it already in very simple terms to DC. What is unclear? -- ] (]) 00:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::What's unclear is that it seems that these images are acceptable if they relate to critical commentary about the media. We have an entire section devoted to this subtopic and the very first sentence of the article specifically states "dubbed 'Climategate' in the media". ] (]) 00:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::First, the usage has to be directly related to the source. Suppose that was from Glenn Beck's show (I don't know that it is, I'm just using that as an example). It could then be used to illustrate critical commentary about Glenn Beck's view of the controversy. However, that would only be viable if Glenn Beck's view of the controversy was notable in itself (i.e. that it had been the subject of third-party commentary). There's a good example of this kind of usage at ], where a screenshot of Stephen Colbert is shown alongside commentary about a famous segment of his show.
:::::::::Secondly, any fair use image can only be used if there is no free alternative. Since the informational content of the image is the text on the chyron, the obvious free alternative is to add text to the article instead of using the image. That in itself means that this image can ''never'' meet the ], since it will always have a free alternative.
:::::::::I know this may sound rather abstruse and technical but for those of us who've administered copyright issues on Misplaced Pages, this really is an open-and-shut case. -- ] (]) 00:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
==Second Warning==
If you continue ] me as you did here ,,
I will take this matter to AIN. Good day.--]]]] 01:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please do so. I can assure you that your editing record, with your history of copyright violations, blocks and disruptive editing, will be raised. -- ] (]) 01:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::Chris, ignore this chap and don't get baited on the article talk page. The way this account just showed up to fight the same battle over the same image at this particular time is highly suspect. My guess is that this is being done deliberately to elicit bad reactions from the CRU regulars as if to give the arbs a show before the proposed decision. Don't fall for this. ] (]) 02:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, I have no intention of being baited. -- ] (]) 06:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::::CRU regulars? <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif">]]</span></b> 09:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::A regular, as in a habitué, a denizen, or a devotee. Are we all clear now? ] (]) 12:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for that, but it was the modifier "CRU" that I'm wondering about. Care to educate me about your meaning and to whom and in what context you are referrimg? <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif">]]</span></b> 16:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:"CRU" is short for "Climatic Research Unit email controversy", and a regular is someone who edits it. Anything else? ] (]) 20:27, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, do you have a minute? Who are the CRU regulars in the context of ''"this is being done deliberately to elicit bad reactions from the CRU regulars as if to give the arbs a show before the proposed decision."'' Obviously, ChrisO is one since you're instructing him not to be baited. Who else? <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif">]]</span></b> 23:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Whatever are you talking about? ] (]) 08:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: My take is that Minor4th is asking after the implication in your comment that there is what amounts to an article ] faction on the CRU page, and others, as has been discussed in that case, and rather all over the place. fyi, wikitionary links should be given in this form: ]. ] 20:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Jack, ChrisO is upset with me, so please take this to my talk page or some other venue. I don't see any connection between talk page "regulars" and what you call an ownership faction. If I refer to ANI "regulars" on the noticeboard, that doesn't mean there's an "ownership faction". It means, there is a group of people who edit a certain article, and help contribute to improving it and discussing it. That's what we do on Misplaced Pages, so I'm not seeing a problem. ] (]) 00:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Please dial back the invective ==

I found some of your comments at ] troubling. I would ask you to reconsider your approach there to see if you can be less combative. I'd appreciate it. ++]: ]/] 02:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
: I see nothing problematic in what Chris said. ] ] 05:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:: OK. However I was concerned enough to feel that a gentle suggestion was warranted. YMMV. ++]: ]/] 06:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::Of course not. ] (]) 06:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I am as ever cool, calm and collected. But thanks for the advice. -- ] (]) 06:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== BLP in need of work ==

I removed everything that didnt need a footnote and was left with nothing. I put a PROD on it before I thought to see if anyone was interested in trying to fix it: ]

] (]) 20:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:If my recollection is correct, the lead of the article was something clsoe to a cut and paste from Only it started by identifying a real person behind the nom de net and "is a cyberterrorist who ..." ] (]) 22:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:But I think we are probably better off without it. ] (])

::Fair enough. We have enough problematic BLPs without adding to the number! -- ] (]) 22:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Now at ].--] 12:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I'm glad that you started an article on the fraud investigation into Mann's actions at the U of Va. I will immediately start to go through it and work on improving it. Regards, <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#ffc">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:
::Not a helpful comment. You need to work on your approach. ++]: ]/] 14:56, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Not a helpful comment. You need to work on your approach. --] (]) 14:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Very funny. Here's a situation where another editor is reaching out to ChrisO (I happen to know he was working on a version of this article in his user space before Chris started) and ChrisO spurns him. That's not helpful... it's problematic, in fact but I tried a mild admonishment. Your comment, since it reeks of factionalism, isn't helpful either. You know better. Presumably. Knock it off. ++]: ]/] 15:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Stephan, Lar's right on this occasion - it wasn't a helpful comment. I do have serious concerns about some of GregJackP's edits but it's not fair to raise that at the outset of this particular discussion. I've redacted the comment. -- ] (]) 15:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==
You appear to be engaged in an edit war at ] against multiple other editors. I suggest you discontinue any further edit warring, and ensure that consensus is reached on the talk page and the article is then changed to reflect that. ++]: ]/] 14:56, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Read and understood. -- ] (]) 15:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Avoiding coordinated thuggery ==

It seems apparent that there is a coordinated effort to play a "taking my ball and leaving," when you show up at an article. Given that the goal of this effort is transparently to effect the embarassingly delayed arbcom case, it's probably best if you didn't edit the CC article space when the usual-suspects show up untill the case was done - tag (even overtag), complain '''once''' on the talk pages, and run, don't walk, away. ] (]) 15:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Breathtakingly bad faith characterization, Hip. ChrisO was appearing to exert OWN on this article, and seems to have spurned a good faith effort to reach out to him, while edit warring on the article. I think your net advice of going to talk and making the points of concern clear, instead of edit warring, is good advice. But your framing of it is very poor, you need to try to stop seeing factions under every rock. ++]: ]/] 15:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Next time I'll just email him when I see an obvious, coridnated pattern of behavior. All my best! ] (]) 15:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Lar's complaint about ''someone else'' "seeing factions under every rock" is... words fail me. ] (]) 15:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: SBHB - when Lar attempts show up to complain about the mechanics of someone giving good advice, it appears to be an effort to "do something." Without ascribing motive, it's probably best if you didn't respond to him - thank Lar for his advice, promise to do whatever action he asked you to do, and either do so, or just keep on keeping on. ] (]) 15:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Sorry -- you are absolutely right; I broke one of my own rules.<small>But still...</small>] (]) 16:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: I don't think it's "coordinated" so much as being a matter of two editors - Minor4th and GregJackP (who apparently know each other off-wiki) following each other around, and now apparently following me around. Minor4th's interactions with me have been frankly malicious, and I have some major concerns about GregJackP's approach, but I haven't let either deter me from attempting to reach out with them and find compromise solutions. I intend to continue doing so. -- ] (]) 15:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: SBHB: "factions exist" does not equal "there are factions under every rock". Also, sometimes you ned to get out of the forest to actually see the trees. Hope that helps. ++]: ]/] 21:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

==Revert at ''Illusion''==
Chris, in the discussion on the talk page, four editors supported including the text, and three were against. So, please don't revert it until you have consensus that the information should not be there. There is no policy forbidding it, so you need to have consensus for removal before going against the majority and removing it. ] (]) 23:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== RfC on ] at ] ==

Hello there, ChrisO. You recently participated in a discussion at ] regarding the systematic removal of ] as a reliable source. I've started an RfC regarding MMfA, MRC, FAIR, Newsbusters etc. Please participate on the Reliable Sources Talk page . ''Skoal.'' ] (]) 13:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Why wasn't ] promoted to FA status? To me it looks like a high quality article - thanks to all your hard work. From my limited experience I can appreciate how much effort was involved. cheers ] (]) 16:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Different approach ==

I apologize for anything I have said that has offended you, and apologize as well for not assuming good faith in your actions. I have decided to make a more concerted effort to assume good faith on your part and see if that helps the situation. I hope you will consider doing the same. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif">]]</span></b> 00:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:OK, thanks. I appreciate your comments. I regret that we got off on the wrong footing - I'm happy to assume good faith and take it from there. Hopefully we can put the recent unpleasantness behind us and work together to improve Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 09:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==FOIA==
There's a nuance in the legislation which I think you've missed in . Both the ] and the ] have parallel provisions, with some differences. Both have sections in which the ICO makes a decision to by a public authority, which goes through a series of stages and if not complied with can end up in the high court as a contempt of court case. Both also have enforcement against the authority or an individual if requested info is destroyed etc., which goes to a magistrate and so is subject to the 6 month limitation. That's : the section also mentions the press errors in rather vague terms. Suggest you change "as it couldn't investigate this issue due to statutory limitations" to "as it couldn't investigate this issue under Section 77 due to statutory limitations." It's a pain, but guess we'd better try to clarify this in the article. . ], ] 12:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== 2RR ==

<s>You have reverted out my changes twice. This article is on 1RR. Please self revert.</s> ] (]) 21:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think you'll find it's only one revert. I rewrote your first edit to merge it with a previous paragraph. That is not a reversion. -- ] (]) 21:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::No, you removed the entire paragraph I added, and replaced it with a whitewashed version. That's a revert. Then you did it again. Two reverts. ] (]) 21:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Suit yourself. -- ] (]) 21:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Like I've said to others, it's best to let them have their way on the articles for the time being with the hope that arbcom fixes things. ] (]) 21:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:I have no expectation whatsoever that Arbcom will fix anything. It's shown itself in the past to be incompetent and politicised. I've actually had people apologising privately to me for a decision that was made in a previous arbitration case that I was involved in. -- ] (]) 21:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:: Hopes and expectations are different things. Best to give an inch today to take a mile in a month. ] (]) 22:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Apparently it's not 1RR, so nevermind, my mistake. ] (]) 22:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== New sanction for CC articles ==

You may wish to take a look at ]. Sincerely, '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 22:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up. Not sure why you've contacted me about it though, since I've had nothing to do with tagging articles? -- ] (]) 22:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Just kind of did a general sweep of anyone editing the Mann article, regardless of whether or not they have been involved in the tag war, as well as a few people who I remembered off the top of my head to be involved with CC articles. There's a bunch more editors I could, and probably should inform. If you want to point anyone towards the general sanction, feel free. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 22:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. I already posted a note to the Mann article talk page about your sanction, just to make sure people see it. -- ] (]) 22:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Cla68==
My suggestion to "back off" was not meant to be accusatory but for your own good. The more you let Cla68 know he's getting to you, the harder he's likely to push you. (There's probably a pithy Zen saying for the point I'm trying to make here but I can't think of what it is.) ] (]) 02:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:I really, really look forward to Cla68 getting kicked off the project. It can't happen a moment too soon. -- ] (]) 02:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
] ] (]) 05:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
: Ditto. And ignore JEH ] (]) 08:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:I was just coming here to tell you the same thing. --] (]) 11:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, both of you. I have to say I find Jehochman's indifference to Cla68's personal attack very disappointing, though. -- ] (]) 11:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:::If you think someone is trying to bait you then indifference is the best way to respond.--] (]) 11:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Baiting is one thing, which I've been doing my best to ignore, but overt personal attacks with highly damaging and frankly defamatory claims are quite another. That should not be ignored, least of all by admins who are supposed to enforce policy. -- ] (]) 11:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Please provide an acceptable name for your faction ==

You seem to oppose any label we try to give you. But there has to be a name for your faction that is acceptable, so please tell me what name to use when referring to your faction. "WMC faction" was an honest attempt; WMC objected; I tried "alarmist faction" (to contradict "skeptic" that we're labelled, even though we're not), and you object. So what do we call you? "Pro GW Faction"? "Foo Faction"? And don't respond with something wishy-washy like "there is no faction" because we all know there are two distinct sides here and to deny it is ridiculous. We just need a name for your side so when we discuss these issues everyone knows what we're talking about. ] (]) 13:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

: After you name your faction, we'll name ours. ] (]) 13:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

::"skeptics" -- I've been using that for months, even though it's not really descriptive. Apparently us so-called "skeptics" have thicker skins. ] (]) 14:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::: Dosen't work, sorry - amongst your faction, JohnWBarber, Lar, ATren (That's you!), Grundle2600, Heyitspeter and Cla68 have been described by your faction as objecting to that one. ] (]) 14:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
: I'm not part of any faction, so you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a faction of one. :-) -- ] (]) 13:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. Right. ] (]) 14:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
: ], $2.50 the dozen. ] (]) 13:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'd always taken you for more of a fan of ] or the ], not of ]... --] (]) 14:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Misplaced Pages editors. See ]. ] (]) 14:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::Do you really claim there are not two distinct sides to this debate? Now who is in denial? ] (]) 14:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

OK then, it's clear you will not provide a name, so I will use "alarmist" ] (]) 14:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Please read ] and avoid name calling. The use of derogatory terms for other Misplaced Pages users is quite uncivil. ] (]) 14:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::I fail to see why any label is necessary. It's classic ]. -- ] (]) 14:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Does that mean y'all will quit using deniers and skeptics? It would be only fair. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#ffc">]&nbsp;]</span> 14:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

ATren has objected to being called septic so isn't in any position to be imposing labels on others. Quite why he thinks "WMC faction" makes any sense when apparently this is ChrisO's faction is beyond me. The true answer, of course, is that there is no faction ] (]) 14:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Quack. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#ffc">]&nbsp;]</span> 14:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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