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Arbitration case request withdrawn

The WPPilot arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to, has been withdrawn. For the Arbitration Committee, -- Liz 21:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you Liz. Drmies (talk) 04:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Your thoughts

Drmies, I've been thinking about throwing my hat in the ring for a RfA. I've been here nine years, it's clear I'll meet the qualifications. On the other hand, I've made some enemies, though for the most part they are all blocked. You and I have crossed paths many times over the years, so I thought I'd ask you what you think? Montanabw 02:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Jeez Montana, you're one brave girl even thinking about it. I'm no expert, but I think you've made far too many enemies, who will all come crawling out of the woodwork, and who are probably rousing themselves to crawl out even now as we speak. All I can say from experience is that it's a bit of a kick in the guts to be told that you're unfit for anything other than the relatively unimportant and menial tasks of writing articles and suchlike. Eric Corbett 02:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

You don't want to be an admin. I've been an admin, and I've been a not-admin, and being a not-admin is better. You lose the ability to see some juicy gossip that have been revdel'd or whatever but nothing that matters. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Most of the stuff that gets revision deleted is nasty crap nobody wants to read. The only funny stuff tends to be in deleted hoax articles. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think you'd pass unless enough people decided to go with the usual bullshit excuse of "not enough experience in admin areas" or the even dumber excuse of "doesn't demonstrate a need for the tools". I die a little on the inside whenever I read that one.... I don't know which cliques you've supposedly pissed off, but it largely depends upon how many friends they can canvass to the opposition. After a spot-check review of your last thousand edits or so, I'd say that you look like an excellent content editor, one who I'd be glad to see join the admin group. Again, all I can do is speak in hypotheticals, but I think you'd be a shoe-in.

If someone really wants to see you fail, be prepared to have something taken out of context and twisted to the point that you won't even be able to recognize it. In this case, the best thing to do is to let someone else call them on their shit—or find someone privately to do it for you before too many mindless drones read it, don't check it, and parrot it ;). If you reply and tell them they just spewed a bunch of crap, you'll likely get more ridiculous opposes citing your "badgering". Good luck if you do try, and I hope you'll succeed! Let me know if you want anything from me—a nomination, co-nom, or whatever. (Not that my nomination means much, and it might get you more opposes just because it's me and I'm seen as too much of a radical maverick at best.) Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll support you, but I'm afraid Eric may be right. In any event, you are exactly the type of person we need to be an Admin. GregJackP Boomer! 03:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Yeah, I think Eric and Greg make valid points. The longer you're here the more enemies you make, and you've been here long enough. I would support you, since I think you have good sense and know what needs to be known. Of course you don't know until you try, but I think one of the things to ask yourself is how many old feuds you have, how many of those editors are still alive (let me know who I need to block two weeks beforehand, so it won't arouse suspicion), how you're doing on Wikipediocracy... Drmies (talk) 03:38, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• • I checked Wikipediocracy, other than a indef blocked user over there calling me an "utter berk" with ownership issues, I've gotten off pretty light. I think it's almost a badge of honor! Montanabw 03:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Well. You asked the question on the talk page of someone I consider a friend and have watchlisted, and I am not blocked, so ...

When people mention GGTF issues about how women are treated in here, I am always reminded that some of those who have consistently behaved the worst in here have been women.

And then your name is one of the three or four that comes to mind.

Should you launch an RFA, I won't be "crawling out of the woodwork to oppose you", but I don't think you have the temperament or the self-awareness, and I am aware of any number of diffs that any number of people could post that show how you routinely treat other people. That you have been able to get away with it the many times those diffs have come to ANI doesn't mean they will pass at RFA-- it's a very different mindset there. I suspect that some of this behavior is so habitual for you that you don't even realize you do it, but diffs are likely to surface in an RFA.

In fact, you are the reason I no longer frequent Eric's talk page; I found the way you speak about and deal with others too hard to be around, and I didn't want others to think I was part of that. Good luck should you launch; you know where I stand, but I won't participate. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'm sorry Sandy--but I can't block you for that. I appreciate your comments. BTW, Montana, whatever you may think of Sandy's comment, the dramah surrounding the GGTF (I had totally forgotten about it) may indeed continue, if indeed you were that outspoken. (I've not been on Eric's talk page much recently, to my own detriment.) Drmies (talk) 04:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually, Drmies I suspect SG was thinking of this one you were there! Montanabw 05:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I had forgotten that one ... but it's some mighty fine invective! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
    • Hmm...TParis was there too--coincidence? I think not. Hey, that's Nikkimaria you were talking about. As most everyone knows I stayed out of the infobox wars, but I have a lot of respect for Nikkimaria, a lot, which explains my harsh words, I think. Drmies (talk) 05:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
      • • I think it's blown over between NM and me, it was 2013 after all. NM just signed off on my last FAC for Bazy Tankersley. The infobox wars had us all a bit crazy, and the context was that I blew up because someone else was being picked on. At the end of the day, the admins did what you should do; proportionate action. I actually have immortalized your advice on my talk page, Drmies! Montanabw 05:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Blocking me wouldn't be any fun, anyway ... someone else already got their 15 minutes of fame on me! Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• I've got nothing to lose, maybe I should go ask a 'crat for my tools back temporarily.--v/r - TP 04:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Go for it :) You gave up the tools? I need to email you ... that's just dumb. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Well, candid comments are why I'm asking publicly. Nothing like a test drive. I guess one is judged not only on the qualities of their friends but also of their detractors. Bring on the diffs! (though before posting, may want to note how many are from now-blocked users and sockpuppets! ) LOL! Montanabw 04:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
• We've locked horns on one or two infobox wars Montana, but I'd still support you. I think you'd make a good admin and that's what it's about at the end of the day. Cassianto 07:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
• Go for it and find out, and if it doesn't work listen to Short Brigade Harvester Boris, it's not the last judgment, if it is judgment at all. - I often need an admin and have to molest poor Drmies, - missing some others greatly. ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
• Since you are inviting comments, I will have to sadly echo this comment above by SandyGeorgia, who I do not know, but the sentiment is painfully true nevertheless: When people mention GGTF issues about how women are treated in here, I am always reminded that some of those who have consistently behaved the worst in here have been women. yes, yes, yes. I shall spare this page the details but I do type from profound personal grief and pain...In addition you have created some vective with your "Duck box" (which I favour, incidentally). Just envision a certain someone currently writing music articles that you targetted and who can rise to lash out and bring all their canvassed friends. You would make a good admin but you should weigh the personal cost to you. Fylbecatulous talk 13:26, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
• I would advise against, because you definitely have enemies and they would come out. And to be honest, you probably would find being an admin to be not a good experience - you too often want to call out behavior that will get you in trouble as an admin. Snark and calling things like you see them will not make being an admin pleasant. The best admins are not easily ruffled and take things as they see them. Karanacs as opposed to say .. myself. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but what about when he directly reverts my edits?

A few weeks before my IBAN with Catflap08, I removed some references from the Kokuchūkai article that didn't back up the statements that were attached to them, and I also (a little before the IBAN) removed an inappropriate primary source and the claim that was referenced to it. Catflap08 the other day reverted these edits. If suddenly showing up and commenting on an edit I made (he did that again too, BTW) is not a violation, then surely directly reverting me is? (He also admitted both then and now on the talk page that the refs he re-added are unrelated to the article content, so please don't respond by saying that even though it does violate the IBAN it's a harmless improvement to the article.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• My dear Hijiri, I have so little interest in policing anyone's iBan that I couldn't even see that interest if it were on my desk and I had my reading glasses on. It is a shitty job, and not one that necessarily needs to be done on an admin's talk page. Bring this to AN, if it's a big enough issue to bring there (a matter of judgment). Sorry. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

ANI thread review

Can you, or any of your page-watchers, review this thread at ANI that I started? It has been languishing at the board with minimal input from "uninvolved" editors/admin. Abecedare (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

l8r,g8r edits

Greetings, I saw your commentary about the l8r, g8r page and I have made substantial revisions to the page to make it more neutral in tonality. If you still find it to be biased, feel free to talk to me via my talk page. If it's not too much trouble, please be specific as to the line, phrase or terminology you feel isn't neutral. I'll be happy to find more neutral words. Additionally, you claim that some of my sources aren't reliable. Is there any specific source or sources that you don't find credible? I can check to see if there is a more credible source with the same information. I look forward to your response. Have a great day drmies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadetv1 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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