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I have a very old mug that has a depiction of someone who appears to have tippled too much. It was made in Finland. It has an inscription on the back that says (it's artfully decorated) something like:<br>och sằ nubbar man<br>tills man ầr full<br>och sắ ramlar man<br>omkull<br> Could you translate? Cheers. 01:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I have a very old mug that has a depiction of someone who appears to have tippled too much. It was made in Finland. It has an inscription on the back that says (it's artfully decorated) something like:<br>och sằ nubbar man<br>tills man ầr full<br>och sắ ramlar man<br>omkull<br> Could you translate? Cheers. 01:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Haven't chatted with you for awhile, and was unaware of the difficulties you've been experiencing. Read through several of them this morning, and am very glad to see you hanging in there. You are one of the more knowledgeable editors I've met on this site. Keep it up. ] (]) 16:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the pics into the draft for me, Hafspajen, it's very much appreciated! I've a long way to go on it yet but I've managed to find plenty of refs to use. I'm just hoping that once the weather improves - it's a bit wet and miserable today - I'll then be able to get some pictures of the mausoleum, which is in some woodland a little distance from the main house and up a rather rough muddy track. I think to get Drmies to notice (s)he is sitting in the Cultural depictions of dogs article, you might need to link his/her name in the caption? SagaciousPhil - Chat13:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Phil. It is leaning... a bit like the Leaning Tower of Pisa, yes. But probably the castle is quite verical. But you said that you will go back, and than you can take maybe a new pic? Or - crop this one? Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you have new messages. Your talk page is like spagetti, and I am tired of it. Tired of rolling up and down and get lost in it, all the time, all the time. Let's discuss - Mandy - How about that breakfast - saving then? Some refs ->Musical snow globeSnow globe-3rd, 7th and 9th chapter of the Bhagavad Gita . Hafspajen (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, if my talkpage is like a lump of spaghetti, your talkpage is like... a museum! Cool window, especially. :-) Thanks for my pillow-fighters, do you like my caption? I cannot help you restore breakfast, this month anyways. But with any luck, we can bring in some newcomers to balance out the deletionists. About nine inclusionists, for every one deletionist, sounds about right. What are you up to nowadays, besides decorating talkpages with art? 74.192.84.101 (talk) 00:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Nice car. Convertibles are all the rage nowadays. Wind in your hair, sun on your arms, all that jazz. :-) Have you seen that movie, with the car, and the girl? You know, the good one. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 01:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Very nice, and a better place is doable. I would cut of just a little - NOT much, just sightly of the foregroung. It would be beneficial for the composition. But I would not touch the reflection in the water and leave quite a bit under the bridge reflection too. Crop off about ... half of the distance between the reflection of the bridge in the water and the edge of the pic as it is now. Hafspajen (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I asked about people who know Russian and Russian history better than me, but I'm afraid Franz Roubaud is rather obscure. Apparently nothing in major Soviet biographical encyclopedias either.
Sorry that I forgot about replying. Better late than never, I suppose. :-| Hope you have a nice jul and all!
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I see you edited this page back in January. I was just checking him out, as I was standing next to a dealer this morning who bought one of his for over £2,300. He was bidding against a telephone bidder. It was The Old Inn at Gennazzano. I was surprised as I'd never heard of Haag. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, he is rather good. Your art collection is still not complete? Thought you succeed by now to clear the art market and pinch every available art item on sale in whole Great Britain.... Hafspajen (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Very nice steak. Appreciate, little Hafspaj. Look, message inside reads "You will meet a handsome Megalodon next time you go swimming"! Blush, twirl! bishzillaROARR!!16:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC).
. - I am afraid Zilly still could Eat the Handsome Stranger. He is called The Oatmeal - maybe was not the best choice. Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hafspaj, you removed the fortune cookie caption and meant to add it to the Oatmeal photo, I think. But you have to have the "thumb" code for it to show up. 'shonen fixed. Bishonen | talk19:24, 10 April 2015 (UTC).
Thank you for all the lovely images you place on talk pages to help cheer everyone up and all the other nice things you do. You help make Misplaced Pages a better place. SagaciousPhil - Chat09:46, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome! Looking at all the delicious food and drink you've put in the fridge at Bishzilla's pocket has been making me very hungry - maybe I'll have to spend some time in there ... SagaciousPhil - Chat09:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
First point the answer is here Shrimati. :D Its pure Indian :D and the second one Bachelor of Arts I guess its not clearly mentioned in the reference, just arts its everywhere, is that ok if I keep it like that, or you want me to remove it ? Bellus Delphina15:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Bolding the first para. Is it the sculpture that was installed in Fort Greene Park in Fort Greene, Brooklyn, New York City, on April 6, 2015. or Snowden himself? (Can't be of course, but it sounds like it right now) Hafspajen (talk) 16:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I am big into trying to recognize and give recognition to able assistance.
One of my main complaints about Misplaced Pages is that we do not give out as many 'attaboys' as we should. Editor retention is a big deal, and accolades should not be reserved for only the most deserving or visible. It's a systemic problem (and giving "thanks"—which is very nice—should not supplant barnstars, etc.)
We're all volunteers and a pat-on-the-head is not too much to give.
You left me a message on my talk page a few days back. I've been off wiki for about a week, so didn't see it until now. I can't find your message. What did you need? I read a very interesting article about the art work Iran has stored in its vaults. What was interesting was the amount of modernist and impressionist works. It was all procured before the 1979 revolution. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
That was a April 1 joke. The point was that he should come running over here, just to discover a message - No messages, April's Fool - well, it worked, only a bit late... Hafspajen (talk) 12:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I am mentally and physically slow. It takes me awhile to understand these things. April 1st is also my family's holiday and we are a bunch of fools. In the US, tax day is April 15th. That is the real April Fools day. Bgwhite (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I got told off for writing that "artists "finished" their paintings once the canvases were hung on the walls." (this is the Royal Academy Varnishing Day). Like a dog I run to the back and bite the ankle . Where else would they finish their paintings? On the effing floor? There's no room… Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
We would like to have a group discussion on Skype text chat with everyone on the FC team. In a few days, User:Go Phightins! will contact you privately to coordinate this. Please let him know about your availability if you are willing to participate. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I am not having anything against discussing things, Gamaliel - at all. I am rater having security issues about Skype. There is software available for free download to hack Skype accounts. Hafspajen (talk) 18:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Re: your question on my talk (can we keep the discussion here?), you would (a) create an account, (b) add us so that we can add you to the channel, (c) use the account at a designated time so that we can work out these issues, and (d) close the account once we're done. Ed19:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
On Wiki I can be anonymous. Checked how it works. They are asking after my real name, address, telephone number, and so on. If all that can be hacked than both e-mail and Misplaced Pages is more secure. Go.P. has an e-mail. I gave him permission to distribute it to you - Gamaliel, Resident Mario and Tony. Not to Pilot though. Isn't that possible to use that? Hafspajen (talk) 19:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Just check all this, all free to download: How Hack Skype Password
I'm new to this. Could someone please tell me why the discussion can't take place on a Misplaced Pages page somewhere? CorinneSD (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
We want to discuss some potentially sensitive matters, so people may want privacy. We want them to be able to be candid and not have to worry about their comments being permanently preserved on Misplaced Pages. We also want to avoid third parties who have no interest in FC hijacking the discussion for their own ends or to create drama. Gamaliel (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't give claims like password hacking any credence until I can find at least one reputable site that shows they work (Digiwonk, listed above, is mildly trustworthy, but their method requires access to the target's email or credit card information. If someone has one or both of those, Skype is the absolute least of your worries). Hafs, I don't use my real name, address, or telephone number on Skype. Just make something up! Ed22:00, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Huh. Doesn't sounds very honest. But there was also concerns of getting access to the target's email or credit card, yes. I don't know if you read those sites, or others - similar. Hafspajen (talk) 22:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Honest? Skype does not require you to use your real name. See their terms of use. As for email/credit card, I don't think you understand the article. To get access to a Skype account, the article advises that the break into the target's email or get their credit card information. That doesn't go the other way around.
Email is far slower, much more formal, and incredibly unwieldy with a large chain of people. I don't see why Skype is such a problem. Ed11:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I promised not to enable e-mail on Wiki for example, so I have to keep that promise. About enabling Skype, it is not something I discussed through, but I will check with our security. If they thin it is OK, I will. Otherwise you do already have an e-mail, only for communication purposes with you, Signpost redaction, through Go.P. --Hafspajen (talk) 12:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Every eye was on Roselle Carpenter as she put an arm around the gorilla and led him out on the floor to dance. “I’m just a little stiff from polo” he said. “I don’t care where you’re from- let’s dance!” Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
The Bob Geary article is an interesting read. Yes Hafs, if I had known about it back in the 90's, I could have been Geary's dummy. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Some Tanghulu for you too, because you are sweet too. (Just be a bit careful of any that are made of hawthorn; the stones have probably been removed, but these fruit are used medicinally as a heart stimulant, so there might be a bit of a buzz even in the candy kind.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Although I've seen it argued that you meant to use "shouting," this was very clearly a deliberate and provocative use of the word "shooting." There was no need to take that comment to a logical extreme, and you've now upset the user even more. Please don't troll like that again. Ed22:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
One can wonder who upset who. Please tell hin not to call me full of shit, childish, idiotic and that I have to grow up - so on, I was not the one who started this. Why is everybody mad at me, when he is such an incredibly uncivil guy and NOBODY EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT EVER, IT IS ALWAYS EVERYTHING MY FAULT, ALWAYS, WHAT AM I SOME KIND OF SCAPEGOAT OR WHAT? Hafspajen (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
I did meant shouting . Because I was thinking about something happened. Yesterday somebody was suddenly shouting insults at me - me, who he had never even met before; on the street and it was really unpleasant. Just because he thought I put my bicycle on the wrong place, who knows - probably HIS goat died or maybe his guinea pig. Or he lost his canary somewhere. But still, in Sweden we don't kill each others on the streets like Americans do (meaning that only an American can really think anyone would write a thing like that, nobody would think like this here.) Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
If this is a troll, then we need to be careful. It is a nice troll, and we must not hurt it.
I am sorry to see people treat you this way. There are a lot of people here that simply adore you Hafs. Me being one of them. You must not leave before you can help to decorate my talk page, I had been meaning to ask you, Please stay. Sometimes people around here can act like jerks.. Word! Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Only a cat can make one come back from the dead. Thank you for the intention, I really appreciate the feeling behind it, Softlavender. but isn't anyone reading that edit notice.... I am alergic tio cats, yes, for real. Can't leave a cat stay forever on this page. User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
WPPilot started editing the Signpost, AND I swear I NEVER asked him to start editing it regularely. The first incident was when he never checked what he was writing, when making a description on the featured subject, saying the Capitol was finished in 1800 - a factual error. I covered up that.
But he never stopped to edit in is this sloppy way, he just went on and just non-stop copied everything from the articles, and took everything, pasted it in, with IPAs, sometimes ever references included, than he expected that we should fix that. It is just as much work, if not more to do so, It is to no help. Doing Signpost was something I enjoyed, that gradually was getting worse, because of this editor, it would have been better if he never did anything at all,- because it was just as much work fixing his entries than doing it all by yourself. He was doing just more incoherent, sloppy editing. We had discussions on his edits User talk: Adam Cuerden#Featured content, (mind it is entry Nr 181), but he carried on the same way. Also, here, and he never stopped copying. Here, the very last issue - he was copying my own words, on top of everything, and and made it so badly that nobody understood my comment 'so much for an unicorn cos he never ever EXPLAINED it at all, that unicorns prefer virgins. How could anyone expect that people should get the comment it he doesn't explain it - they are not supposed to know that.
The borderline crazy - clearly out of your mind that was this mistake. Phil who corrects my spelling errors all over the place, realized much faster what is this all about. But Pilot, he went on complaining at Gamaliel's user calls me potential murderer. I explained above - I was shouring at in the main street by some old guy who ... read it.
Than Ed comes rushing saying I am a troll. . Are administrators allowed to carry on like this? He previously called me sexist too, accusing me for adding sexist degrading comments towards women. None of that was true. Not even close. Nobody ever called me a troll here under my entire carrier. I perceive this as a most serious accusation, and even wors than sexist. Also the Skype program ... well, I think one should discuss things openly. Somewhere this has to end, and and it ends here. User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 05:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, Ed didn't call you a sexist troll: he was talking about two comments, from unrelated discussions, and he didn't say it about you. On the other hand, WPPilot, this was pretty assholish and really counts as a personal attack. Hafspajen, I hope to see you around soon. If all else fails, consider doing what I sometimes do: stick with the articles and stay away from the chat. Or log in to one of your sock accounts... Drmies (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages can never have enough people who bring depth and breadth of actual knowledge to the project (as opposed to people with a facility for slapping together articles from the half-understood results of Google searches). It would be a shame if you were to leave, depriving us of one of them. Awien (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
We love you, Hafs
Hafs, we love you. Come back! Just stay away from difficult editors and only interact with ones you enjoy chatting with. Your knowledge and skills are really needed on WP. You don't realize how much you add to WP and to the lives of those who love you. You're upsetting me now. Even one day without seeing your delightful comments makes the day a little sad. Here's a flower for you:
A rose for Hafspajen from your friends
Sorry guys, won't be back until everything is like in this song.
Parable About Truth ♫
There was once upon a time a princess, but someone have taken her place now ...
Those words that could have been said, were not said. I am gone and I might not be back at all. But all my friends shall please go on and call me "they". Hafspajen (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
No Gender Gaping around. Phil, Drmies, thank you for being brave enough to speak up where everybody was silent, I always appreciated courage more than anything else-. The bot will archive in 365 days. It is a long time. Until the bot archives nothing will happen. Thank you for the encouragement, even though, this time it was not enough. I hate being accused unfairly, very few things can make me really, really mad, but this really does. Simply because I knew very well that I have never, ever, in any way have been mean or uncivilized towards the editor in question. Not in any way. That typo he is trying to make the big thing out of it is the only thing he has. But it is a lonely business standing alone and feeling alone in this conflict even though there were people around who knew very well it was not true. Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
If any nice admin like Drmies could be please nice, copy the above statments, redact, revdel, paste back everything with those words redacted - time will go, and maybe people may forget. I don't want them on my page. (including this very last coment, though userboxes and first comment shall stay.) -Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Garbage like this is why I'm semi-retired. You just try to do your thing, making the encyclopedia a little better by freely sharing your knowledge while sprinkling around a little good humor, and this is what you get in return - pointless and undeserved hostility. Take a relaxing wikibreak if you need, Hafs, but please don't stay away for too long, else the real trolls have won. Zeng8r (talk) 01:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
The bot will archive in 365 days. 02:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi, it sounds like you're upset about something. I hope you take whatever break you need and come back feeling optimistic, maybe doing something very different than what you did before if you need a change. You know how to email me if you want to talk. Peace, Pine07:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
DYK for King Gustav III of Sweden and his Brothers
I dunno what this is all about (a typo????), but you know there are lots of art articles still to be written. And how will people get their talk pages decorated without you around? Enjoy your Wikibreak, and I hope we'll see you when it's over.I nominated Summer Evening on Skagen's Southern Beach for DYK. If any stalkers feel like doing a favor for Hafspajen, there are at least two articles, Perseus and Andromeda (Leighton) and Head of Christ (Correggio), which need DYK nominations, like right away, before their eligibility expires. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM21:40, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
ps: (perhaps I should not reveal something rather personal but) my life turned (half a life ago) when I told myself "stop that self-pity" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, but the dead have no more trouble. It is the living who are tormented.
There’s fennel for you, and columbines.
There’s rue for you, and here’s some for me.
We may call it “herb of grace” o' Sundays.
Oh, you must wear your rue with a difference.
There’s a daisy. I would give you some violets, but they withered all...
Excellent! - I looked at it yesterday in detail and agree. - Regarding the above: you need to say it loud and stomp on the ground at the same time! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hafspajen, hasn't your wiki-break been long enough? There's a whole lot of people who miss you here. Please come back. CorinneSD (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it's just no fun anymore without you. And DrMies' page is just one unbroken wall of text. And FC is now full of racist remarks about crackers. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Xanthomelanoussprog, I have been told to stay away from Signpost and the editor, unless I go Skype. I simply have nowhere to bring up this issue. And I don't believe in a group editors going off-wiki for discussing issues there; - like the Signpost editorial staff editors - instead of doing it on-Wiki. Also I think text should be rewritten and not copied from articles, too. The main issue here has always been that it is required per Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. But any times the issue was raised:
It was met by incivility by this editor, some diff above; mixed with occasional apologies, and then it was starting all over again, while nobody else took the issue seriously. I did try to discuss this several times, nobody listened. Calling someone ungrateful, unproductive, rude, childish, borderline, full of shit, ridiculous and crazy are WP:Personal attacks.
Nobody took the copyvio issue seriously either, nor the incivility the editor reacted with towards me. But it is required per WP:CWW:
Not everything copied from one Misplaced Pages page to another requires attribution. If the re-user is the sole contributor of the text at the other page, attribution is not necessary. Content rewritten in one's own words does not need attribution. However, duplicating material by other contributors that is sufficiently creative to be copyrightable under US law (as the governing law for Misplaced Pages), requires attribution.
See at WP:CWW. As stated I did try to discuss this with several occasions, nobody listened. Editor was reacting with increasing incivility when pointed out, escalating more and more, every time. There is no need to gather evidence (here is one), the whole last couple Signpost editions are full with bits and parts of copivio. Last it was me who was the author copied. But it went so far that Signpost chief editors were telling me not to criticize editor but stay away from him. Like here, this, for example, in the current Signpost version is entirely taken from the article Shakespearean tragedy. In the current version is not even a link provided to the article. Is not even linked to painter, nor tho the to right article, King Lear. Some of the descriptions include unexplained terms and generally look taken from somewhere. However providing a link to article is not attribution. Nobody ever discussed anything with me, about the issues raised above. And let's not forget the other parallel issue: the incivility, that erupted with every occasion this was brought up. I was told to discus it on Skype or nowhere. Now the editor was forbidding me to contact him, and the Signpost redaction is going off-Wiki to discuss where I never joined them. The e-mail I enabled for the Signpost-folks, it collapsed and is not working any more.
Hafspajen, disruptive editor
Is this: One of the most famous paintings of all time?
All this caused that I now have been accused by being disruptive, causing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, mainly because of the other editor said so, without taking up any diffs or providing any evidence for it. He never digged up any evidence himself at all, but expected everybody to believe him without any evidence at all. And actually in fact, there is no such diffs to support his claims. But I think some people indeed believed him. Like most of the Signpost editorial staff, I guess (guess because I have no idea what's going on behind the scene).
This is the kind of editor who was accusing me off being disruptive, but who for example placed an image of a fruitcake on a talk page of an user who identifies as being gay - (fruitcake is here), and who is involved in plenty of conflicts and controversies, an editor who (without providing any evidence for his claims) requires simply everybody just believes him. The whole Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#User:WPPilot is worth reading trough. It was bad of me to AGF him so easily I did, I should have checked the rather huge amount of conflicts he was already involved, when started editing Signpost. Others should have done that too. But the only thing anybody seemingly ever cared or remarked on was me offending (?) the editor, well, that was the typo. Now pick your choice if you believe that was trolling or not. One editor gifted with analytic ability remarked something here - and I say, she is totally right about my spelling (unfortunately) ... I think it is rather more balanced than the comment The user has now called me a potential murderer, though it looks like many believed the later comment.
One of the most famous paintings of all time?
And may I ask why current Signpost Featured content is saying Napoleon Crossing the Alps is one of the most FAMOUS paintings OF ALL TIME?
Because it is simply not true.
But under a whole week, nobody ever noticed it.
This newspaper is going out all over Wiki and it has a tremendous NPOV mistake in it. Guess who put than into it.
If one chose to use big peacock words than at least use them well, and truthfully. Napoleon Crossing the Alps, is one of the very moderately famous paintings, but no way one of the most famous paintings of all time. I would say that it is not that famous at all. Check refs.
Some find it stiff and lifeless, proof of David’s ineptness at capturing movement. Some see it not as art, but propaganda, pure and simple. Some snigger at its overblown, action-packed, cliff-hanging momentousness, with shades of “Hi ho Silver, away!” Some have it down as a sort of beginning of the end moment in David’s career, before he officially became Napoleon’s artist-lackey.
The only thing one might safely say of that painting that it is one of the most well know (famous*) portrait of Napoleon Bonaparte . (There are other; just as famous portraits of Napoleon, by the way.) It is a good painting, it deserves to be a FP, BUT IT IS not one of the most famous paintings of all time. This kind of remarks give bad reputation to Signpost, if any editor who knows about art discovers it, and there is a fair amount of art presented there every week.
And
I do think that before theses issues started with the editor joining, our work made Signpost more interesting and fun, and we all worked together fine, under extended periods of time, Adam was sharp, witty and funny, Xanty was doing interesting things and being crazy with his comments, and me contributing on arts, cultural topics, botanic, and occasionally being funny too. We all were getting along greatly. Observe that I never had any issues with any of those, ever, ever. It was great, and may good editions came out of it: , , , , .
Also mark that I did cooperated creatively with a huge amount editors, on articles, FPs, DYKs and so on. I am not known as a person who can't work together with others, as the Signpost redaction is now made to believe; me being constantly involved in a disturbing amount of conflicts with other editors.
Nobody seems to noticed, pointed out or recognized this fact in this conflict.
It was instead Ed who stepped in a rather unfortunate way, at times. His remarks were at times not to well formulated or researched.
This went on parallel to this was the other issue. Ed remarked, though in a polite way, that I made a sexist comment. But if anyone checks the definition of sexism: Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender - than the comment I made in Signpost about an older woman having a relationship with a younger man that can work, well, going by that definition, in fact it is the opposite of a sexist comment. There was no need to remove that. Using the word girl instead ladies, well, might been a point. Burt I had certain difficulties convincing anyone about comment not being sexist. Even bigger difficulties convincing him or Signpost editorial staff I was not trolling. That is kinda hard to digest. And how can I if they only discuss things on Skype?
Copying
About copying; At top of Signpost it say: Text may be adapted from the respective articles and lists; refer to their page histories for attribution. It doesn't say: Text may be copied from the respective articles and lists without no attribution.
13) All editors are reminded that the editorial process and dispute resolution must take place on Misplaced Pages itself, using the article talk pages and project space for this purpose. No discussion held off-wiki can lead to a valid consensus, the basis of our editorial process. Off-wiki coordination is likely to lead to echo chamberswhere there is a false appearance of neutrality and consensus.
(And skip the typo thing, my intention was different, but it is up to those to judge who are perfect, and never make mistakes. Show me something else).
Thank you all who said kind words above. Dr. Blofeld, you gave me a Wiki-defender barnstar on 8 April - I am afraid, I didn't managed to well this time. Apart from my personal feelings seriously hurt, the copivio is still an ongoing issue, and I am kinda banned from discussing it for different reasons. Hafspajen (talk) 15:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Attribution
Not to beat the dead horse, but arguendo there was an unintended copying of text from one article to another, and you forgot to mention it in the edit summary, I have simply and easily created an "Attribution" subsection in the talk page to work it all out and correct the matter. We should always err on the side of giving credit where credit is due. Bu in the course of a lot of edits, Shit happens. It's not a capital offense, IMHO. Hope all is well with you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Holy smoke, it is not me. It is the editor I had conflicts with, WPPi... I just didn't wanted to mention his name. Why did I wrote all this is nobody ever understands a word of it? He was doing this, non-stop, several month, and got mad with me whenever I pointed out. Until I became a nuisance (according to him and some others). Hafspajen (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
On a lighter note- the BBC program "Treasures of Ancient Greece" episode 3 "The Long Shadow" used three of Haf's FPs last night. I had serious dayjar view. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Lady Justice, a symbol of justice. She is depicted as a goddess equipped with three items: a sword, symbolising the coercive power of a court; scales, representing an objective standard by which competing claims are weighed; and a blindfold indicating that justice should be impartial and meted out objectively, without fear or favor and regardless of money, wealth, power or identity.
Why do I don't want to be around more?
Because I have been treated unfair, that's why. I feel I have been unjustly treated. I don't like injustice. Until recently I believed that Misplaced Pages was a fair system. I don't do that any more.
1) You see, I wonder, how come that nobody ever noticed that I indeed had Misplaced Pages's best interest in sight?
2) How come that nobody notices that I was trying to do the right thing, all the way through this conflict, or a series of conflicts?
How come that I am now the person who is the guilty part and nobody ever noticed anything else but my so called faults, my mistakes and my issues? Justice is often depicted with her eyes blindfolded. That is a symbol of justice, of not looking at the person, NOT GOING BY PREJUDICES, taking sides, but only by the facts. It is a symbol of judging impartially and not getting blinded by big words, big phrases, rhetoric, but judging the truth and nothing but the truth.
I still like to think I did rather a lot of useful contributions to Misplaced Pages. As I stated above, nominated about c. 100 Featured pictures, completed 29-30 DYKs, wrote about 50 articles, was trying to help other people with their nominations at FP, wrote articles for their nominations when I noticed they nominated a valuable painting, but without EV. I had nothing against sharing things with others, tying to help them, learn them things, protect them sometimes, standing up for them and being there for them, when they needed it.
Now, when I needed help, I look behind me and I don't notice many. I feel cut of, isolated, left alone and notice how people stay away from me and don't want to get involved. There is always an excuse.
The most hurtful thing about this is that I actually was fighting for WWPilot's nominations, those few he ever succeeded to feature, - actually almost half of it - I was engaged and was trying to support and convince others about it. Stupid me.
It was unfortunately also me, who asked him to write his own entry at Signpost, not Adam, as far as I know, even if WPP. nowadays try to say it was different. If supported with any diffs, of course I might believe that.
Also unfortunately, I realized soon that some of WPPilots entries at Signpost were copied. The descriptions made by him included unexplained terms and generally look taken from somewhere; were and are poorly drafted and uninteresting; he was and is often talking about something entirely different thing, than the picture or the painting that was featured.
First I was cleaning up after him, fixing the mess, than pointing out to him his mistakes. Whenever I tried to point this out, he wasn't listening, nobody was listening, and nothing ever changed. He stated himself: "it can be consuming and tough to paraphrase these at times".
But hey, that is exactly what editing the Signpost is about! To write up a summary, to add something interesting, to make it fun and easy to read and a bit educational too! This what is required when editing Signpost Featured Content. But no, he continued the copy and paste, over and over again. Also, his edits were just making more work for others. I tried to cover up and correct, until I got tired.
And so on and on and on. This also made everything a bit boring and heavy. Soon I noticed that literary each and every contribution he adds to Signpost, is indeed nothing else but a copy and paste of the different parts of the articles on Misplaced Pages (or something the nominator wrote in the nomination, so much worse).
Every time I pointed out the copivio issues to WWPilot, he was reacting with an increasing amount of incivility, trying to do anything; but change. My comments irritated him. It was impossible to have a normal discussion about this with him, he took everything as an aggressiveness directed towards his own person. For some weird reason everybody at Signpost was overlooking this, both WWPilot's incivility and the copivio issues I pointed out, and the fact he doesn't wanted to discuss it or change his editing. This was already happening a month ago, like 10 March. Possibly because of the amount of drama WPPilot was stirred up, and the issue was drowning into. He couldn't discuss this in an objective way, he reacted every time with more and more insults and incivility. Until I decided that while this incivility is going on and nobody is saying a word about it, I will now stay away a while from Signpost.
Edition is late
This happened when nobody reacted at User talk:Adam Cuerden#Maners at the incivility issues, so I stopped for a while editing the Signpost. Thanks to this, the next edition was two days late. Those times I made most of the work, and people were used to leave things to me.
When the edition was late, I got pinged by the newsroom, and decided to put my personal feelings of being hurt by WPPilot's incivility aside, and returned, and save the edition.
I was working all night to get it in shape and publishable. I went to bed 5. 40 o'clock in the morning. When I switched on again; instead of a note like; great, thank you all your work, I was notified that one of the main editors removed a comment I added, remarking that I made a sexist comment. An other editor commented somewhere that the Signpost Featured Content was like a boy's club.
Now that was kinda unfair, because I am a strait women, and I would never make any sexist or derogatory comment on women. The comment removed was not sexist at all, either, actually the opposite, was judged according the answers by only one single other woman's, it was her opinion, and she never read the whole entry, but was only shown one certain sentence ... and so on.
It felt ridiculous. I knew I was a woman, I knew I was not sexist, I knew the comment was not sexist. But I got the impression of a massive wall of editors, all men, ganging up together against me, keeping their position, making decisions above my head, not ever discussing things with me, and now lecturing me, me, who was (probably) the only woman editor in the Signpost (sic) about making sexist comments. So much for the Gender Gap issues and how to keep women involved at Misplaced Pages, an issue exactly these editors themselves are often writing about in Signpost. Sigh. After this I did indeed stopped editing Signpost, removed my name from the editors list.
10 April
10 April I raised again several issues, this time, because now I was an outsider, and not a co-worker any more, on the Signpost talk, pointing out that WPP. copied my own nomination, - but this was also ignored. (He also credited the wrong person, (me) with a nomination instead of adding the right user, too).
Nothing happened, except for a new wave of wild incivility from WPPilot. During all this period, WPPilot was calling me ungrateful, unproductive, rude, childish, borderline, full of shit, ridiculous and crazy - among other things.
I never responded in kind. But I made a mistake typing a word. English is not my first language. But Pilot convinced the main editors on Signpost that what I did it was deliberate, they gave credit to him, and they did believed him ten, that I was trolling.
WPPilot, when he noticed he had the other editors with him, was now openly accusing me of being disruptive, directing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks towards him. But when he was asked to, never provided any diffs or any evidence for his claims. In fact, there is no such diffs to support his claims.
Now that is kinda still very weird, and unjust. Nobody ever cared to ask him for any of his accusations to be supported properly. Except for me.
This conflict above made the Signpost main editors requiring off-wiki communication of me, (and a particular venue, on Skype). From now on, the only place where the Signpost main editors were directing me to discuss anything at all, was a discussion, off-Wiki, on Skype.
No way to discuss anything, anywhere, only of Wiki, were, if one wants to look at the issue, it could be seen also this way: they might wanted ton try to isolate me from the others and the possible support I might have received from others.
The Signpost editorial staff was and some still defending WPPilot, were acting on his behalf, forbidding me to go near him and was at a certain point even accusing me by trolling, and on the other hand constantly ignoring the issues raised, and ignoring the fact that he himself was was rude and uncivil.
( *About the trolling issue I accepted Eds apology as he accepted mine, me being rather sarcastic... well, I was. )
But how come that during all this period many just preferred to only notice one side of the problem, and never try to judge things fairly? The only thing I still tried to clear up was the copivio. Somehow. Not a reaction. My latest try was to try to figure out why the Signpost main editors simply refused to discuss issues with me on Wiki. No answer.
Somewhere it was stated that they have to consider WPP. feelings. How come than they never ever though that they had to consider my feelings? Am I not wort just as much as a person?
And, when it comes to the difference in our contributions, well, I think one can notice a certain difference. About WPPilot, I am inclined to think that much of his contributions are WP:NOTHERE mostly self-promotional. He is editwarring to get his own photos in the articles, he is mostly working with his own pictures. WWPilot, from the very beginning, even before starting working at Signpost, was involved in a rather big amount of controversies. Nobody checked this, not me, or nobody else from the editorial staff. He is hot-tempered and was involved in a rather large amount of controversies. There are plenty of diffs: , WPPilot was also blocked for incivility,. How come that these diffs never talk their own language?
Now that is slightly different from the work I have done on Misplaced Pages and my efforts put into the project. But if my editing, my edit history and my work om Misplaced Pages and on Signpost before, is not enough so they should AGF me on these issue, I better give up. I don't want to participate to a project like this any more. Hafspajen (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Post Scriptum
I sometimes think some people might join the Singpost, only because the Signpost editors name can be read high up on the page, where everybody can notice it. It is also my private opinion that they should stop doing that, entirely - or move it to the end of the edition, with very small letters - and not posted it at the beginning.
And lastly:
The Signpost edition pride themselves with the fact they are supporting women editors. But what they actually did, was chasing away the women editor they had.
Instead of using every possible means, saying sorry, we were wrong, we never knew you were a woman, you were wrongly accused of being sexist, we are desolated and we behaved like idiots, please come back or at least accept our apology...
Like they should act if they really cared for women editors.....instead they say :Nobody accused her of anything, she just think so. She is imagining things... It is all imagination.
But here in fact a woman was accused by something she can't be and by not acknowledging this is they push away a legitimate concern of a woman editor, being falsely accused and never vindicated or taken seriously. By those who say they care about women (and who block Eric with a drop of a hat for any feminist remark). This is coming from people who write several pages of the importance of retaining women editors or engaging women editors. Hafspajen (talk) 17:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Did you know ... that a church's 1510 spiral of justice declares: "Justice suffered in great need. Truth is slain dead. Faith has lost the battle"?
The poem ends with "Praise the right thing (decency, integrity)".
Hafspajen, this is more than 500 years old and will probably not change during out lifetime. You have been treated unfairly, I have been treated unfairly, I could name you 50 others easily who have been treated unfairly. If we wait for fairness we will wait long. The one thing I learned here is patience, but not that much patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
At my snarkives page. Commons keeps deleting images of pink ponies and magic unicorns. I also now need a purple dragon. Can you review the diffs and see if you can help me find these things? Montanabw23:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
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There is always beauty in the world, if one looks in the right direction. Mr Spiky
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NO, this the above is NOT a personal attack.' If somebody is accusing me of making personal attacks, and doesn't even know 'what that is, I think one can actually explain what the concept is. The above is not: racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, national, sexual, or other epithets, it is not attacking a person's character, not outing and not harassment, or other material, it is simply information of WHAT personal attack IS. It is a simple information, one can be found everywhere on Misplaced Pages.
Why should my name in Signpost be linked to this old account, by WPP - an account that I never used since I abandoned it, linked here and also here? It is probably meant, judging by the Haf's bi annual meltdown comment to attract the attention to this account. But that was a fully declared, legitimate account that was abandoned 2013. It was started on the Swedish Wiki, and went global. It was simply merged with an other account started 2007 here on English Wiki. It is no crime and I identified myself in with both accounts for the administrators, and simply chose to keep the account with the most edits, and the other was abandoned. I never edited WP:Featured pictures with that account. Why does anyone need to dig this up, or link it in Signpost, that is the weird thing about it and that is the question here. Hafspajen (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
WPPilot is linking to your old account because he does not want to link to a page which contains many complaints about him. I do not take sides on whether or not your complaints are accurate, but I understand why a person would not want to link to such a page. If you would be willing to remove the complaints about him, I will remove all links to your old account and link in the style of your preference in FC, or have no link at all if that is what you want. Gamaliel (talk) 22:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Hafs, I think I speak for everybody who considers you an important part of their Wikilife that we don't give a shit about what has been written; we know it's not true and even if it was it's not important to show that I'm not serious here. Remain in contact. Here. (Skype appears to be off, by the way). Okay I'm incoherent, but I usually rely on other people to do the emotional stuff. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Here, here! Let it be water under the bridge. Have an Irish coffee, and continue to brighten our day. We miss you. Irish coffee
Alles neu / macht der Mai! I have another FA! You seem to be in the perfect mood to join the cabal of the outcasts (also secretly known as Gerda's pocket) where I list such things, also today's FA! Please get rid of the "pictures of tragic, haunted and ghastly things" on this page, it's frightening, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I understand. There's really not more to say than that I completely understand and sympathize and apologize for not stopping by earlier. Here's a pretty pic for you. I stole it from Ceoil's gorgeous Stephan Lochner but don't tell him I said that; we wouldn't want his head to swell! Take care and know that people are thinking of you. Victoria (tk) 18:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Xanty - copivio is copivio. But nobody believes me.
There are a group of people who would like to silence everybody and have everybody go along to get along, but that's not going to be very helpful for us in the long run, in terms of solving our problems. And somebody has to be courageous enough to actually stand up...
As far as FP is concerned, I don't see it as a problem now. Everything can be paraphrased or attributed. As for the other matter, Achilles and the schnauzer. The schnauzer knew where to bite. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm done.
I liike you, but I can't handle any more stress just now. I'm done. This is, quite simply, too much for me to deal with. Adam Cuerden14:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know if Far from the Madding Crowd is showing in your part of that polar-bear-infested ice-bound wilderness called Sweden, but I think you might enjoy it. I found it had a certain healing quality (and it was actually filmed in Dorset). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Hafs, please reconsider, and continue to participate at WP. I've told you before, but I'll tell you again, that your contributions are invaluable and much appreciated by those who can recognize it, ie., your friends, and your presence and delightful comments, images, edits, and assistance are appreciated and enjoyed by many. Don't let one disrespectful editor, and a few clumsy friends, get you down. CorinneSD (talk) 20:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, I will think of it. But not now. I don't feel like sharing space and arguing with editors and admins who support an editor who is an indefinitely blocked editors sock, who with a range of various issues, while they start lashing out against me who never did any of these things. It gives me a rather weird feeling.
I don't like people who believe everything they hear either. WPPilot was constantly appealing to extenuating circumstances and was pleading for support and understanding instead of shifting the focus to his own behaviour, and tried to put the responsibility on others instead of learning from his mistakes and he was repeating them, the same ones, again and again. When he was pointed to them he responded with anger, he refused to address the problem and, instead, attacked the messenger - and voilá - some did even believed that too.
And, if anyone any more comes here on this page, telling me that I constantly attacked that user, DON'T COME HERE WITHOUT ANY DIFFS AND EVIDENCE, THANK YOU. And find out first what is the difference between attacks and raising a problem for discussion. I have very little interest in this project any more, it just feels like a rotten place right now. Hafspajen (talk) 05:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
On reflection, I think his two supporters thought that the contributions of others were his, i.e. they took him at his own estimation. He did believe that he was responsible for the increase in readership, despite the fact that his writing was sub-optimal and was subject to trenchant criticism by at least three readers on the grounds of sexism, tendentiousness and and inappropriateness. Man's walking along a country lane, when he's attacked by a length of red tarmac. Bleeding from his broken nose, he staggers to the police station and reports the attack. "Aha!" says the copper "You've been attacked by a cycle path!" And so have all of us. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
"On reflection, I think ... blah, blah, blah ..." For pity's sake, Xanthomelanoussprog, if this is directed at Hpj—and that is far from clear—why on Earth can't you observe the clear request to leave it alone. You continue to write on this talk page after having been begged to cease. If you desire to ignore Hpj's wishes, restrict your ramblings to your own talk page and those of your cronies!— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| —09:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
The WPPilot arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to, has been withdrawn. For the Arbitration Committee, -- Liz21:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
— "Hafspajen," hmmmm. – I used to know someone by that name ... an inhabitant of the chill northern climes from which the Goths migrated to the Vistula Delta in the 6th Century and, still searching for sunshine, ended up in Spain. Is this one back from such travels? Sca (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
A question
I have a very old mug that has a depiction of someone who appears to have tippled too much. It was made in Finland. It has an inscription on the back that says (it's artfully decorated) something like: och sằ nubbar man tills man ầr full och sắ ramlar man omkull Could you translate? Cheers. 01:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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Haven't chatted with you for awhile, and was unaware of the difficulties you've been experiencing. Read through several of them this morning, and am very glad to see you hanging in there. You are one of the more knowledgeable editors I've met on this site. Keep it up. Onel5969 (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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