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List of biographical dictionaries
Hi, Philafrenzy. In my opinion, your suggestion to make a "List of biographical dictionaries" is okay.
- I have done that Oliver Puertogallera. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Anthony Garner
Do you have access to the full obituary?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Unfortunately not as I did not get a Times today. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks to our good friends at Waitrose, I do. Would you like me to scan and email you a copy? Lots of canvassers yesterday evening in RBKC - apparently the two biggest issues are basement excavations and the mansion tax. Edwardx (talk) 09:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes please. Agents are usually pretentious nobodies, so I would like to make sure he was a somebody. Btw, I did not see them. This is a very poorly run campaign imo.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Scan of article sent. Edwardx (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- The revolution starts here! An Englishman's basement is his castle. I recently walked past some actual mansions to the north of me. An Alsatian guard dog barked at me when I poked my camera through the railings to take a picture. He could smell that I wasn't rich enough to be there. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks to our good friends at Waitrose, I do. Would you like me to scan and email you a copy? Lots of canvassers yesterday evening in RBKC - apparently the two biggest issues are basement excavations and the mansion tax. Edwardx (talk) 09:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- There's a lot of drama over basements in Bel Air, Los Angeles. One story down is fine, but four or five is a bit creepy IMO. I hate dogs and think they should be banned from Hyde Park; replaced by peacocks perhaps. Peacocks and seahorses are the only socially acceptable pets to love and cherish!Zigzig20s (talk) 13:24, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Don't let UKIP hear you saying that, the peacock and seahorse are both immigrants to the UK. I understand that the European Union plan to send millions of unemployed peacocks here to steal our women and live off social security. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I thought Farage was a comedian?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Googling "Anthony Garner conservative" leads to some very bizarre search results.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I assume you are referring to the Carroll Group. Someone clearly lost a lot of money when they went out of business and has been waging a campaign of vengeance ever since. I think it is probably all conspiracy theory nonsense but I found a couple of reliable sources among the dross that justify a stub. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Saw peacocks in Holland Park yesterday. No seahorses. Lots of foreigners. No poor people. Edwardx (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- You knew they weren't poor because they weren't wearing clogs? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Saw peacocks in Holland Park yesterday. No seahorses. Lots of foreigners. No poor people. Edwardx (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I assume you are referring to the Carroll Group. Someone clearly lost a lot of money when they went out of business and has been waging a campaign of vengeance ever since. I think it is probably all conspiracy theory nonsense but I found a couple of reliable sources among the dross that justify a stub. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Don't let UKIP hear you saying that, the peacock and seahorse are both immigrants to the UK. I understand that the European Union plan to send millions of unemployed peacocks here to steal our women and live off social security. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Ruth Guler (hotelier)
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Facepalm I read the Telegraph article. Speedy declined. Ritchie333 14:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, that all happened while I was away from my computer. Thank you for expanding it. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've put it up for DYK here and asked a few other hands. What a fascinating woman! Ritchie333 18:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Great! Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've put it up for DYK here and asked a few other hands. What a fascinating woman! Ritchie333 18:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, that all happened while I was away from my computer. Thank you for expanding it. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Michael Thresh
Looks like I should have created a redirect as well, when I started Mike Thresh. Edwardx (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- Merged them to yours. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's very decent of you. With these new obit stubs, starting new articles has never been easier. Edwardx (talk) 18:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- And a few of them have had worthwhile expansions already. There should probably be some sort of obit project or taskforce to ensure that every one from a major newspaper is picked up. Some of the stories are brilliant. There's huge DYK potential but alas only time to do the stubs right now. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- You're right that we can at least "redirect" our readers to the newspaper obit. I wish there was more time. As you suggest, if they stay under 300 words, they are still all easily turned into 5x DYKs. Edwardx (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- If I may--I would be careful--Martin Chalmers sounds like a nobody for example. He might not be if you are able to add more referenced info which shows how significant he was, but as it stands, this stub would not survive AFD. I know it is time-consuming to create starts, but I do think we should try to do that.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes that one lacks the vital additional information that he was awarded the Schlegel-Tieck prize which in the opening would protect it from an AFD nomination from a user who wasn't prepared to read the sources. Even without that it would survive an AFD, however, because it could be adequately expanded before the close. But you are right. X was Y is not good enough, they all need X was Y who did/was awarded Z. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- You're right that we can at least "redirect" our readers to the newspaper obit. I wish there was more time. As you suggest, if they stay under 300 words, they are still all easily turned into 5x DYKs. Edwardx (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- And a few of them have had worthwhile expansions already. There should probably be some sort of obit project or taskforce to ensure that every one from a major newspaper is picked up. Some of the stories are brilliant. There's huge DYK potential but alas only time to do the stubs right now. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's very decent of you. With these new obit stubs, starting new articles has never been easier. Edwardx (talk) 18:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Lee M. Amaitis
Hi. I'd appreciate it if you wanted to proofread Lee M. Amaitis and see if you can add more about his London career or expand the Vegas dealings. The subsidiary should probably have its own page, but that's quite a bit of work. I hope you find this interesting (funny what one may find out after taking a simple picture on an afternoon stroll in Mayfair...).Zigzig20s (talk) 22:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will take a look. Still working on Carroll which is quite interesting. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have just had a quick look. Nice article. According to the MOS we don't capitalise the first letter of titles like Chairman etc., though we do capitalise CEO etc. I removed a few. (Personally I think we should but that is irrelevant) Also you have some overlinking there with London and New York. Generally, there's no need to link capital cities and well known places unless they are particularly relevant to the article. I do link lesser known villages and similar small places. Also, try to avoid linking in the style of London, England, United Kingdom etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think there would be more to add about the subsidiary he's CEO of, but I'm not sure how much information is available out there. Perhaps you could find out more. There is a dearth of information about the gambling industry as a serious business on Misplaced Pages--people think it is just about entertainment as opposed to finance.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- There is a dearth of everything here. It's all the knowledge in the world vs. a few thousand contributors. I will see what I can do but keeping business articles up to date is really beyond the resources we have available to us. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's why I try to stick to London-related topics. Not so easy to do in our global economy though!Zigzig20s (talk) 13:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- There is a dearth of everything here. It's all the knowledge in the world vs. a few thousand contributors. I will see what I can do but keeping business articles up to date is really beyond the resources we have available to us. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think there would be more to add about the subsidiary he's CEO of, but I'm not sure how much information is available out there. Perhaps you could find out more. There is a dearth of information about the gambling industry as a serious business on Misplaced Pages--people think it is just about entertainment as opposed to finance.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have just had a quick look. Nice article. According to the MOS we don't capitalise the first letter of titles like Chairman etc., though we do capitalise CEO etc. I removed a few. (Personally I think we should but that is irrelevant) Also you have some overlinking there with London and New York. Generally, there's no need to link capital cities and well known places unless they are particularly relevant to the article. I do link lesser known villages and similar small places. Also, try to avoid linking in the style of London, England, United Kingdom etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Ruth Guler
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Xavier Valls
Hi again. I am trying to work on Xavier Valls, although I am finding it a little boring. Anyway, are you able to move some of these paintings to Wikimedia Commons please? Or are they completely copyrighted?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- The general rule is copyright for 70 years from death so yes, copyright. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- It would be good to find a way around it. His son is the French PM.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- There is no way around it unless you write a detailed commentary on one of the paintings in which case we could make a claim to fair use for that particular one. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- It would be good to find a way around it. His son is the French PM.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Marc Harris
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Nomination of Romie Tager for deletion
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Youtube links
Hello. I have noticed that you added some youtube links to the Carroll Group article. I've never seen that before on youtube. Is it allowed? I would like to add this to David Nazarian, but I am not sure if I can.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
- I see no reason why not as long as the video is itself a RS for what you want to reference. YouTube is only another website after all. The Carroll ones were to a Sky News documentary over three parts. I have also linked to Google Street View for a specific location and date. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Hotels
Hello. Tentatively, may I ask--are you interested in working on luxury hotels in London, especially Mayfair and Knightsbridge? Quite a few need to be created, but mostly the history sections need to be expanded and fully cited. Let me know if that would interest you, or if I am on my own for this. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:43, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Aren't we all on our own in the end when the sweet embrace of death grips us? I can confidently offer somewhere between 0% and 100% support, depending on what else I have to do, and that is absolutely firm. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- You did nothing about the Bulgari Hotel and Residences as I recall...which reminds me, I need to take a picture of it!Zigzig20s (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Did I promise to? You should be aware that any promise I make to work on an article has to be seen in the context of a 100% certainty of 0% payment. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Coincidentally, I've just done a bit of work on two 5-star hotels in Docklands, when I added owner info, after having created the page for their billionaire owner, John Christodoulou. Many Cypriots in the UK have done well in property considering how few there are. Edwardx (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Immigrants are highly motivated to improve their lot - no doubt about it. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Details on how they got a foot in the door/started? Generous parents?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- No money is required. All you need is brains and motivation. Take the Ugandan Asians for instance. They weren't allowed to bring any money when they came here, now look at them: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/11/race.world Philafrenzy (talk) 22:07, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- "Though Amin took their possessions, they had not lost their skills, university degrees or network of community contacts that would see their businesses rise from the ashes." The answer to my question seems to be nepotism, but it is still murky. Who are those "community contacts" who helped them get their first jobs, etc?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- I suspect their "community contacts" were each other and that they either started businesses or got menial jobs to pay the bills and then started businesses, bought property, made sure their children were well educated etc. It was a long term effort over a couple of generations. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Not very inspirational. I like the "he had $50 in his pockets and built his own empire" rags-to-riches type of stories better.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Their children disagree with you. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm an individualist. Families are a form of (private) collectivism. Let me know (also User:Edwardx) if you come across real individualist success stories in the STRL--I need some inspiration.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think you will find that in order to be really successful you will need other people, if only to work for you and to sell things to. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, staff and consumers are necessary evils.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Have you considered one of the caring professions such as nursing or social work? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Haha. I've considered philanthropy!Zigzig20s (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Immigrants are highly motivated to improve their lot - no doubt about it. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- You did nothing about the Bulgari Hotel and Residences as I recall...which reminds me, I need to take a picture of it!Zigzig20s (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Speaking of philanthropy, you may be interested in Arthur Gilbert (real estate developer), whose art collection is at the V&A. He made his first fortune by marrying a dress designer and selling her gowns. Can't find much about his parents. A fascinating fellow.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- You have done a very thorough job on him. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:31, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've requested a redirect for Gilbert Collection, which I only found on google today and should be merged with the philanthropy section on his page. Anyway, this should give me a reason to visit the V&A again soon!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- A redirect will be fine at present as the article does not discuss the actual contents of the collection. If it did it would be a valid stand alone article. You could consider expanding it instead. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Since he collected all those objects, can't we have a lengthier 'philanthropy' section instead? I think that would make the most sense.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:54, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Ideally we would have both, philanthropy and basic details in his bio and a separate detailed article about the objects in the collection. If you are happy to keep the separate article just use the V & A website to describe the collection. There's plenty of material there. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- I would like to find out what he built in LA County and which boarding school he went to and how come his parents could afford to own land in Israel prior to statehood. There are too many unknowns. I doubt his art collection could ever reach GA status.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- This http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/t/the-rosalinde-and-arthur-gilbert-collection/ could definitely be a GA. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- Nice article. Edwardx (talk) 11:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- User:Edwardx: Thank you. It was a fluke--I came across his name while working on the Nazarians. This type of treasure hunt is often more fun than planned investigations.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- We content creators stumble across all sorts of interesting things. Edwardx (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- User:Edwardx: Thank you. It was a fluke--I came across his name while working on the Nazarians. This type of treasure hunt is often more fun than planned investigations.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- Nice article. Edwardx (talk) 11:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- You have done a very thorough job on him. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:31, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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Che piacere vederti! We both created articles on Italians today! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Who would have guessed that the writer of A Clockwork Orange would give a lecture that was "poorly received by an audience of Catholic priests"? Not me. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm with her. Why should writers ever be taxed? They never use the NHS after all. They just look it up on Misplaced Pages or something. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 09:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- In Ireland writers do get a special deal http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/reliefs/artists-exemption.html#section1 Elsewhere too I think. But it rains a lot more in Ireland than Monaco. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
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Nomination of Carpenters Arms and List of pubs named Carpenter Arms in the United Kingdom for deletion
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Somers Limited
Are you able to find a link between Somers Limited and the Baron Somers?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Bermuda used to be called the Somers Isles. Try these:
- P.S. Were they really only formed in 2012? They seem very large in that case. Perhaps they only floated or reorganised in 2012? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure. Btw, there should probably be an article like List of companies listed on the Bermuda Stock Exchange. Oh, I have just created Michael Richardson (investment banker) and I can imagine that you might want to put in as much effort here as you did with the Carroll Group...Finance, politics, alleged corruption...Zigzig20s (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- I like to write long pieces where probably nobody will ever do it if I don't. Carroll Group and Betty May are perfect examples. Cutting through the mass of disinformation on Carroll Group was a particular bonus, though it still doesn't appear in Google, hence the DYK. Maybe that will lift it. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Carroll Group
| On 7 May 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carroll Group, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Carroll Group, once one of the largest private businesses in Britain, collapsed in the early 1990s amid allegations of fraud? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carroll Group. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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Jamie Ritblat
I'll let you work on Jamie Ritblat--let me know when you are done, so that I can see if I can improve the article. Incidentially, why don't you start those articles in a userpage to avoid edit conflicts and general messiness at the beginning?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well new articles aren't on anyone's watch list at first so there aren't generally any edit conflicts, and the messiness usually gets fixed fairly quickly. I do sometimes use userspace but generally prefer to just get on with it live. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:41, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Charles Street, Mayfair
Thank you for creating this. Are you able to find a history of the church buildings on the British History website please? All I can find is this, which is off topic. I will add a referenced list of the listed buildings, however. 46 Charles St is not listed apparently.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Have a few more left to add. It could be rephrased as some of it can be repetitive, but the problem is they're not all the same height and were not listed at the same time. Looks like they were built by John Phillips and George Shakeaspear for the most part. I would like to take some pictures, but is it safe with so many CCTVs in this country? I am creeped out by them tbh.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:27, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I did look for 46 but it is one of the less important new buildings apparently. Agree, that's a lot of listed buildings. I would select just a few key ones as examples. On pictures, I use a small pocket camera and just point and shoot. I dress like a tourist and have never had the slightest problem taking a picture in a public place. We have freedom of panorama and the legal right to take such pictures. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, I don't think we should remove referenced information about listed buildings, but perhaps rephrase the section...but that's not an absolute priority--it will become clearer how to do that once more info has been found/added. Lol, I'll let you take some pictures then...I know it's legal, but I don't want to look weird taking pictures of random buildings.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- The long list adds nothing really since they are mostly the same type of building. It's detail for its own sake and not what we should be doing in this type of article. Why not move them to a separate list article: Listed buildings in Charles Street, Mayfair"? You seem to have an awful lot of hang-ups. How do you manage to get anything done? Philafrenzy (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have taken 1000s of photos in London and only had someone say something once. That was when I took photos for 1 Palace Green. I forgot that it was next door to the Israeli Embassy. An armed police officer was very polite, and encouraged me to get permission for anything in Kensington Palace Gardens beforehand next time. Edwardx (talk) 08:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Because it is too short to move any of it to another article...the point is NOT to create lots of stubs, but lengthy articles (the ambitious goal is featured articles). Besides, details are the best part of life. But the list could be rephrased--that will come in due time. And yes, I need to buy a smaller digital camera.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's detail for its own sake though, without any explanation of why it matters. You should be discussing the builders and architects etc and then using that detail in support of that discussion. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, one could say, "Numbers ..... were listed as Grade II by English Heritage on ..... Numbers.... were listed as Grade II* by English Heritage on ... " etc. But the thing is, it would look confused. At least the order is house numbers at the moment. I don't have an immediate, satisfactory solution for this conundrum. Some of them are listed at Grade II* listed buildings in the City of Westminster (1–9). The goal may be something like Adelaide Crescent.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- My suggestion would remain as parking them in a list article and selectively referring to them as part of a discussion of the building of the street. Long lists inside articles are generally a bad idea I think. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- It will be rephrased, but not immediately, Phil! Btw, there may be a Hambro connection to Waverton Street because Richard Hambro's country house is named Waverton and consequently, there is also Waverton Investment Management. The Barings lived on Charles St and so it is possible that the Hambros lived on Waverton St. To be verified...Zigzig20s (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I think it could be rephrased in the "history" section I've just added. Do you know who Lord Berkeley was? I'm not sure if it was Augustus Berkeley, 4th Earl of Berkeley. I would imagine he developed Berkeley Square as well. The family probably owned the land and he decided to develop it by hiring John Phillips and George Shakespear. But we need references. I can't find an article on this street on the British History website.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Did you read The London Encyclopaedia in the refs? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Just did now. We should use it more. Usually I assume cited sources have been maximised in terms of content creation. But it does not say which Lord Berkeley...Zigzig20s (talk) 11:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Did you find the page for Berkeley Square in the book? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Did you read The London Encyclopaedia in the refs? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I think it could be rephrased in the "history" section I've just added. Do you know who Lord Berkeley was? I'm not sure if it was Augustus Berkeley, 4th Earl of Berkeley. I would imagine he developed Berkeley Square as well. The family probably owned the land and he decided to develop it by hiring John Phillips and George Shakespear. But we need references. I can't find an article on this street on the British History website.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- It will be rephrased, but not immediately, Phil! Btw, there may be a Hambro connection to Waverton Street because Richard Hambro's country house is named Waverton and consequently, there is also Waverton Investment Management. The Barings lived on Charles St and so it is possible that the Hambros lived on Waverton St. To be verified...Zigzig20s (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- My suggestion would remain as parking them in a list article and selectively referring to them as part of a discussion of the building of the street. Long lists inside articles are generally a bad idea I think. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, one could say, "Numbers ..... were listed as Grade II by English Heritage on ..... Numbers.... were listed as Grade II* by English Heritage on ... " etc. But the thing is, it would look confused. At least the order is house numbers at the moment. I don't have an immediate, satisfactory solution for this conundrum. Some of them are listed at Grade II* listed buildings in the City of Westminster (1–9). The goal may be something like Adelaide Crescent.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's detail for its own sake though, without any explanation of why it matters. You should be discussing the builders and architects etc and then using that detail in support of that discussion. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Because it is too short to move any of it to another article...the point is NOT to create lots of stubs, but lengthy articles (the ambitious goal is featured articles). Besides, details are the best part of life. But the list could be rephrased--that will come in due time. And yes, I need to buy a smaller digital camera.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have taken 1000s of photos in London and only had someone say something once. That was when I took photos for 1 Palace Green. I forgot that it was next door to the Israeli Embassy. An armed police officer was very polite, and encouraged me to get permission for anything in Kensington Palace Gardens beforehand next time. Edwardx (talk) 08:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- The long list adds nothing really since they are mostly the same type of building. It's detail for its own sake and not what we should be doing in this type of article. Why not move them to a separate list article: Listed buildings in Charles Street, Mayfair"? You seem to have an awful lot of hang-ups. How do you manage to get anything done? Philafrenzy (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, I don't think we should remove referenced information about listed buildings, but perhaps rephrase the section...but that's not an absolute priority--it will become clearer how to do that once more info has been found/added. Lol, I'll let you take some pictures then...I know it's legal, but I don't want to look weird taking pictures of random buildings.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I did look for 46 but it is one of the less important new buildings apparently. Agree, that's a lot of listed buildings. I would select just a few key ones as examples. On pictures, I use a small pocket camera and just point and shoot. I dress like a tourist and have never had the slightest problem taking a picture in a public place. We have freedom of panorama and the legal right to take such pictures. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, idk. This is getting tiresome. Btw, renovation project if you don't feel like travelling this summer.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I walked along Charles Street this afternoon. Didn't see a sign for "Mark's Club". Just double-checked on Google Street View and I don't see one either. Isn't this strange?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- No. That's the English establishment for you. Those who need to know, already know where it is. Its here. Did you take a photograph (assuming you found it at all)? Philafrenzy (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- I was looking for a sign (or wealth management-type bronze plaque). I actually walked past The Only Running Footman and considered having a drink there, but didn't. So no, no picture.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Actually in Perth, a group of Wikipedians would go together and take pictures of specific listed buildings/historic places on a given day. Sometimes they would take a train together to do that in specific small towns. Perhaps HQ could look into that for London or England. I would probably go. The train fare could be covered by a Wikimedia grant perhaps?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- These sort of things are a good idea, with the caveat that everyone ends up taking pictures of the same thing. I meant to suggest something of the kind to EdwardX yesterday but forgot. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, everyone takes a different street...Zigzig20s (talk) 10:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I've had this idea before and we tried it in November 2013, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject London/Wiki takes the Tube. Three of us turned up, but it was just Jonathan Cardy and me for most of the time. As heavy rain was forecast, we chose stuff near Albertopolis and spent a fair bit of time in the V&A weathering the storm. Even with just two, careful organisation is needed to avoid everyone photographing the same stuff. There has also been "Wiki Takes Chester", which I recall went well. Edwardx (talk) 10:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well I am sure we could organise something around the West End. There are so many streets and buildings without a good photo, or any photo. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- How many people were there yesterday and what did you talk about? Is there an event coming up before next month, at HQ or other? (But here, not in Oxford/Cambridge/Liverpool.)Zigzig20s (talk) 11:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- You will need to attend the next one on 14 June to find out. The next editathon is here. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- That's an awfully long time. I may have to e-mail HQ and see if I can get a grant to be a Wikipedian-in-residence somewhere in Mayfair.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- I was looking for a sign (or wealth management-type bronze plaque). I actually walked past The Only Running Footman and considered having a drink there, but didn't. So no, no picture.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- No. That's the English establishment for you. Those who need to know, already know where it is. Its here. Did you take a photograph (assuming you found it at all)? Philafrenzy (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- I walked along Charles Street this afternoon. Didn't see a sign for "Mark's Club". Just double-checked on Google Street View and I don't see one either. Isn't this strange?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
L'Homme au doigt
L'Homme au doigt has been started. Perhaps, DYK that a pointing man is worth more than a walking man? Edwardx (talk) 10:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed but it won't have a pic unless you can get over there quick to take one. That is the problem with sculpture even if the artist is 70 years dead (which he isn't). Philafrenzy (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- I could create a generic photo of a man pointing. The absence of an image will be a shame, but there are always too many photo hooks for the one spot anyway. Edwardx (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks. Edwardx (talk) 10:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think it needs to discuss the different versions and make clear - is it about the series or that example? The series presumably. If it is the series then we might find a free photo on Commons. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks. Edwardx (talk) 10:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- I could create a generic photo of a man pointing. The absence of an image will be a shame, but there are always too many photo hooks for the one spot anyway. Edwardx (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Scott's--FYI
FYI. I am hungry and was going to get fish'n'chips there, but that's actually not on their menu. Not sure why the Daily Mail is calling it a "chipper." I don't feel like oysters today; will have to grab sushi somewhere...Zigzig20s (talk) 13:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Did you take any pictures of the building or Mark's club? Philafrenzy (talk) 13:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- The service charge on the flat is quite low for that area at £3800 PA, the flat needs a bit of updating though. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- No. Would you please do it with your tiny camera? I need to get one of those as well (not sure where). I walked alongside Trevor Square today--a bit of a letdown tbh.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Not tiny, just compact, like this. You can get them anywhere for c. £100. I can't do it until I am next in the area, and since I have never visited that street in my life, that may be never. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think I've seen some tiny ones, but I can't remember where. I'm surprised--you've created so many articles about Mayfair, I thought you would be a regular like myself. Whoever you are...hahaha.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- There's a website named after a river in South America - can't remember the name now - you use a credit card and they send you stuff by post. London is a big place. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I have been put off by going to Canary Wharf for networking events because it is so far away--I have never been to East London. Soho is my idea of East London.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- There's a website named after a river in South America - can't remember the name now - you use a credit card and they send you stuff by post. London is a big place. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think I've seen some tiny ones, but I can't remember where. I'm surprised--you've created so many articles about Mayfair, I thought you would be a regular like myself. Whoever you are...hahaha.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Not tiny, just compact, like this. You can get them anywhere for c. £100. I can't do it until I am next in the area, and since I have never visited that street in my life, that may be never. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- No. Would you please do it with your tiny camera? I need to get one of those as well (not sure where). I walked alongside Trevor Square today--a bit of a letdown tbh.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- The service charge on the flat is quite low for that area at £3800 PA, the flat needs a bit of updating though. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Academics
Do you think academics are notable?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)