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:While I understand that ScrapIronIV may not have been aware of the discretionary sanctions surrounding the article, I didn't make a block based upon those sanctions. It was for general edit warring. (, , ) Since it was the first edit warring related block, the duration seemed reasonable. Though it's kind that you offered to serve the block for ScrapIronIV, I'm sure you can understand why we can't permit that. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> ] • ]</span> 16:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC) :While I understand that ScrapIronIV may not have been aware of the discretionary sanctions surrounding the article, I didn't make a block based upon those sanctions. It was for general edit warring. (, , ) Since it was the first edit warring related block, the duration seemed reasonable. Though it's kind that you offered to serve the block for ScrapIronIV, I'm sure you can understand why we can't permit that. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> ] • ]</span> 16:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

== User:Cassianto ==

When I first saw Cassianto's comments, I didn't read them properly. His signature is beautiful and I assumed that he is good faith editor. Today saw him mentioned at ANI. I didn't like the language he was using, quite contratry to the image I had about him due to his beautiful signature.


See this comment {{tq|Most of the people on this page Doc wouldn't know a featured article if it came into their house on Christmas Day a defecated on their Turkey!}}

Before that he used the word "fuck" ,in the same discussion, {{tq|Why don't you fuck off Caden, this has nothing to do with you. Your comments here are not constructive and are designed to provoke.}}

I don't know what problems he has with

Look at his comments here:

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#'''Oppose''' -- running before he can walk. This editor has as much to do with article content creation as I do with open heart surgery on the ] . Still, we seem to hand admin tools to just about anybody now so what would adding one more matter. ] is 70% full of bad-eggs. I just hope this user doesn't join their ranks. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 17:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:I don't usually challenge those who oppose a candidate, but ]? Do you really have that little ] in this candidate? —] (])​ 18:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:: and I apologise, I didn't mean for it to come out like that. What I meant was that he will be joining a load of bad-eggs already there. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:::So you oppose a good egg joining the admin corps because only 30% of the current lot are good eggs? Funny reasoning. --] (]) 19:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#::::In your opinion he may be a good egg. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:::::This is your !vote, so perhaps you should state clearly what is your opinion, instead of this ambiguity. --] (]) 20:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#::::::My !vote is not up for discussion and I would request that you mind your own business. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:::::::Welcome to Misplaced Pages where when you post something people will discuss it. RfA is no different. ] 20:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#::::::::You can discuss things in your flippant tone until the cows come home Chillum, but I shall be taking no further part in it. My views have been made so you can draw your own conclusions. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#:::::::::A wise move. It's always a good idea to stop digging when you're in a hole. ] (]) 21:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
#::::::::::{{u|Nick|Whose}} digging? I'm simply not being baited into a block by commenting on another editor. Not everybody falls under the blanket of sycophancy you know. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 08:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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I guess he was the same .<span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Mike, I'm going to have to evaluate Risker's comments but am not sure when as I'm suffering from sleep deprivation at the moment. But not to worry, I'm not asking you to do that instead of me. Rather, I'm asking you to do something much narrower, which, hopefully, won't take up too much of your time. Note my comments at the SPI about the IP ("the IP has a huge number of open ports, making me think it's either an open proxy or close to it"). Do you agree with that or have anything more illuminating to say about the IP? Thanks and no problem if you're too busy to do this. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Sorry for the belated reply. I've looked at the IP and it seems that it's compromised and used for Nigerian scams. I've gone ahead and blocked it. Mike VTalk 18:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
It's been a busy time. I'm a little dizzy, actually. And it doesn't help that I'm recovering from some surgery (nothing serious), which is wearing me out pain-wise. That said, Mr. Fount of Information, I'd like to understand two things. First, how did you determine that the IP address was being used by spambots? Second, what did Risker mean when she said, "it's on a highly dynamic range in a country with fairly limited IP ranges"? I understand the words themselves, but I don't understand what conclusion I'm supposed to draw with respect to blocking or not blocking the IP. Congrats on your two appointments, btw. You richly deserved them. If I had felt comfortable voting for other candidates during the community discussion, I would have voted for you.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that and I hope you have a speedy recovery. I used the spamhaus database to learn about it's use. I believe that what she's trying to say is that since it changes quickly and there's limited options for IPs, it's not easy to make any behavioral connections. I wouldn't worry to much about it now. Also, congrats on your CU appointment as well! I look forward to working with you. Mike VTalk 01:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
It's going to take longer for me to get up to speed than you, but I've started the process (slow going). You'll no doubt be pleased to know I am pestering Ponyo with questions rather than you, but I reserve the right to be a pain in the butt if needed. --Bbb23 (talk) 23:25, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Question

Hi Mike, I was wondering if you could assist me with resolving an issue on my page. It appears I've been locked out of the @GraceBayResorts unfortunately, I'm unsure how to remedy this. Can you assist with letting me know what was done in error and how to get the necessary changes made so information is up to date on the page. Thank you SO much! Katie Lee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.172.34 (talk) 14:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mike. I was wondering if you could help me with something. When I was on an article and putting my cursor over a reference (next to the sentence in the article, not editing page). I accidentally hit the disable tooltip button and I don't know how to get it back. Can you help me with that please? If so, I would really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Fresh Sullivan (talk) 21:54, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fresh Sullivan. If you click on your preferences tab at the top of the screen and click on the gadgets tab, under the browsing section there's an option at the bottom to enable the reference tooltips. You may also re-enable it by clicking on the link in the footer of the article page. I hope that helps! Mike VTalk 12:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I got them enabled again. Fresh Sullivan (talk) 19:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

" Your user rights were changed by Mike V. You are no longer a member of this group: Account creators."

Hi Mike - Wondering if you're able to assist me with making edits to my client's page? I've been locked out and having a very difficult time finding out how to resolve the issue. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.172.34 (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Care to explain? The "Learn more" link tells me nothing. Johnbod (talk) 04:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I left a note in the user rights log, so I'm not quite sure why the link didn't work. Anyways, it appears that the account creator role was issued to you while you were a part of the Wikipedian-in-residence program. As the program appears to have concluded, I removed the right. Best, Mike VTalk 04:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I still do training, so please put it back. Johnbod (talk) 04:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Please note that the account creator right is not required to create an account. It's only needed when a user will exceed 6 accounts in 24 hours. According to your user creation log it seems you have not created an account yet, so I don't believe that you will encounter this restriction. However, if there is a specific event where you will anticipate the need to create a number of accounts, you're welcome to make a request at the permission noticeboard. Mike VTalk 04:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The thing is always intended as a backup. I have in fact needed to use it, but had an admin assisting who did it. Excuse me if I saw that your belief (based on ???) is neither here nor there. When you need it you need it in a hurry, with a large group watching. You don't seem to understand how this is used. Are you going to restore it, or should I ask someone else? Johnbod (talk) 14:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The basis of it's removal was from this RfC, as summarized on the account creator permission page. Essentially, the right is only intended for active members of the account creation team or the educational program team. As I mentioned above, if you have need of the right for an upcoming program you are more than welcome to request it for the duration of the event. Mike VTalk 15:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Wonderful! So the whole purpose of setting up the right is now negated. Great. Obviously noone will bother to jump through all these hoops every time they have an event, or I certainly won't. Johnbod (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations on OS and CU

Abusive user

The abusive user continues to disrupt Misplaced Pages. SLBedit (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

81.193.34.78 (talk · contribs) SLBedit (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I've range blocked 81.193.0.0/17 for a week. Mike VTalk 18:43, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Assistance

As you blocked Babestress in accordance with the SPI I filed, I was wondering if you could provide an opinion on his user page. It seems to consist of bits and bobs pasted from other user pages. I noted this because he has actually copied a piece of my user page, that is, the userbox bar on the right. It even includes a "bot shutoff" button, something that obviously doesn't apply. All in all, I think the page should be deleted. It is a confusing mix of pieces copied from elsewhere, is incomprehensible, and potentially misleading. It seems to be evidence of the disruptive behaviour that this user has embodied. What can be done about it? RGloucester 17:15, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I just wiped the page clean. That should take care of it. Mike VTalk 17:29, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. RGloucester 17:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Amanharleen

Hi, You have just closed this investigation at 13:29 today:- Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Amanharleen/Archive. He is back now with another sockpuppet:- Khushh229. His use of the 229 in his name as per his other sock:- Jasmeen-229 is too obvious. can this be added onto the archived report or do we need to start another new one? Richard Harvey (talk) 16:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

The account has been blocked by Luk with a notation on the talk page. Mike VTalk 02:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Blocked user/possible sock renaming userpage

Since you blocked User:Destructor rph I thought I'd mention this to you. A new editor User:Mallardbird who's also vandalizing the Death of Leelah Alcorn page has renamed the Destructor rph userpage as User:Joshua Alcorn. He's also recreated the Alcorn page on that userpage, but as Joshua Alcorn. I have no idea how to revert what he's done. I'm assuming he's a sock of Destructor rph since he has the same editing patterns. Thanks. freshacconci talk to me 01:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Oversight on Dean Hall (game designer)

 Done Mike VTalk 00:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Mike_V!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for the speedy RevDel today, I feel safe that I can contribute to Misplaced Pages and administrators will help us out when we make a boo-boo! Picardin (talk) 20:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Possible sock of Giovannigiulio

I'm concerned that Gmira99 may be a sockpuppet of Giovannigiulio, judging from the types of pages he is targeting. Whether or not the account really is a sock is up for debate. ElectricBurst(Zaps) 20:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I would recommend that you open up a SPI and compile the evidence that you have seen. This will help keep the investigation centralized and allows the team to evaluate the situation. Mike VTalk 17:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Lucio Dalla

Guess what happened the same day the semi-protection ran out? Pinkbeast (talk) 11:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I extended the protection on the page to 3 months. Mike VTalk 16:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks/sigh. One wishes this weren't necessary. Still, when whoever it is registers an(other) account the ensuing SPI will match them up to that IP range nicely. :-/ Pinkbeast (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

SPI

Hey, Mike,
I don't normally get involved in sockpuppet investigations but I came across Royalmate3 and thought I should notify some admin as this is probably a block evasion. Liz 16:15, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It's all taken care of. Mike VTalk 17:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Bangladesh Army Chief's Photo

@Mike V Iqbal Karim Bhuiyan's photo has been removed two years ago .Can you revert that ? MilitaryBangla (talk) 02:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I cannot as the file isn't compliant with our no-free content policy. Mike VTalk 02:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

General Ershad's Photo

@mike v :the article of general ershad (Hussain Muhammad Ershad) needs a military-dressed photo. Will you be able to give? MilitaryBangla (talk) 04:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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SPI revisted

May I first know that why you were commenting only on "some of" not even the half or most or whole evidence on this SPI? Why you had termed it as "it's an article" contrary to what I had provided, the IP hopping-edit warring on 2 different articles. Why you didn't responded to tons of compelling proofs that was posted after your comment? The whole SPI was then archived. You said that you "would caution" Bargolus for edit warring with IP addresses, I still don't see anything on acc's UTP. Why there is a need of assuming such a great faith, especially in this kind of SPI?

If two people says "stop it please" that doesn't means that they don't share similarities just because these 3 words have existence, they share similarity because they have used them together, the more terms they have used together, the more similarities they would share. We were not comparing an account with 1,000 edits with other having 10,000 edits, but one having 50 edits(48 after 28 March) and other having only 3,500 edits and history of violating WP:ILLEGIT over the same edits. It is a simple fact today that even half-brainier(like Risker said) is able to defeat technical evidence, so how can you solely rely on technical evidence in 2015 and ignore the clear-cut WP:DUCK case? The behavioral evidence and given history of same behavior is just too big to ignore, you can convince me otherwise and without telling "I also did this", unless you had carried out same edit war on these articles.

Since the SPI, suspect has not edited the article, neither anyone else has edited this article from 2 April, it happened today when I made this edit thus your prediction that "some of these users will also agree on the same" is evidently incorrect.

As a sidenote, my statements hold water, as explained here those three suspects are now blocked as socks, something that you or DoRD hadn't found and treated the IP as a legit editor. I was surprised that I could not find the match in timings of those accounts with Zhanzhao, but it is certainly not a case with Bargolus, as the timings shows clear match.

Sometimes it happens that when a person is using openvpn or multiple ISPs, accounts would lose technical connection with each other, but when you examine the bigger picture, such as history of having used numerous openvpn, proxies or any other IP masking technique, you find that they are still related to each other. Kindly review this SPI, there is more yet to be presented. Thank you. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 23:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

As I've already said on IRC, the technical evidence shows that the accounts are unrelated. I also mentioned that I was not convinced with the behavioral evidence. Given these two points, I'm not comfortable blocking either account. I didn't leave a message for Bargolus on their talk page because I used a template to ping them. The case you've cited has no bearing on the case I closed. The one I closed was comparing Bargolus to Zhanzhao. The other case involved StillStanding-247, Resaltador, and TCKTKtool. You've been politely asked by others to no longer pursue this issue. I would strongly encourage you to heed their advice. Mike VTalk 00:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Have you carefully evaluated that "advice"? It is an outdated one, and effectively conquered with what they hadn't even expected, according to "their" own words. How did those accounts even concerned Zhanzhao anymore? Given that I was under a restriction, circumstances were different, but now that restriction is not only lifted, but actually removed. I can be convinced otherwise if you can tell that the advice has any bearing anymore or not. 72.196.235.154 was a sock, how you could not figure it out especially when you treated "technical evidence" as the biggest priority. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 01:04, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
The advice still holds. A number of clerks/admins/checkusers have reviewed the Zhanzhao case and aren't convinced that the evidence presented is enough to warrant a block. It's acceptable to seek additional opinions but when others agree with the original results and you continue to ask for reviews, it comes off as admin-shopping until you get the result you want. As DoRD already mentioned, "72.196.235.154 is a residential cable connection on the other side of the planet from the other IPs, so there's no way that they're related to the other IPs". I stand by my decision with this case. Mike VTalk 01:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I am talking about the basis of agreement. I never had any issues with your decisions before and neither you had with any of mine. What you have to say about this non-policy based and problematic decision? Did they ever thought of those innocent editors who were edit warring these two accounts and arguing, like they are operated by 2 legit editors? This diff that I found a few days ago (not even a week) seems to be speaking against any recruitment of "family members", thus even if that impossible notion(that he had made up after looking at the SPI) seemed correct to someone, the abuse of multiple accounts policy look 100% intended. Only appropriate solution was to indef all accounts, per standards and norms. Fact is every new evidence must overturn any previous decision, and even more when they were not policy based. Why we are not following these principles? Either follow them, or propose a new text on WP:SOCK, saying that:
"Regardless of their previous offenses, if a sock master insists that the reported suspect was used by somebody from their household, they should be vindicated from any breach of multiple accounts policy."
If you are thinking that why I am discussing this all. It is because before I would raise these concerns elsewhere, I would be asked if I had discussed it with the concerning people. In few words, I am within my rights and there are serious concerns over such mishandling. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 01:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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SPI re Evanthius Donatus

Hi -- re this, thanks for dealing with the sock. But what about the master? If Evanthius Donatus operated a sock puppet, then that editor needs to understand that it's not allowed, that there would be consequences for doing it again, etc. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I left a note for the user. Mike VTalk 21:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Nazi gun control theory

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Nazi gun control theory#Godsy's preferred lead. Should article be locked down/protected? If so, which version, and for how long? Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Template:Z48

User talk:DawnDusk#Block notice

You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:DawnDusk#Block notice. You may have already seen it, but since they inccorrecttly pinged you, unblock request you might want to review. You may have already seen it on your watchlist though... Thanks. EoRdE6 02:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Template:Z48

Nafsadh - October SPI at ANI

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#PA_on_SPI

As the CU actioning the SPI, you might want to take a look. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

MehulWB/Nickaang

Hi. I noticed an account today that fits the MehulWB/Nickaang pattern of editing. Blenoskimes (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log· investigate · cuwiki) is a throwaway account that works just like all of the Nickaang/MehulWB (and, I'm sure, numerous other edit-for-hire shops) throwaway accounts. It edits a few random things to get autoconfirmed. Then it creates the article it actually cares about (Troy DeVolld in this case) as a redirect. Then it expands the article several days later where it's not going to get noticed by new page patrol. I know this is thin ... but it's obviously somebody's throwaway edit-for-hire account. --B (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Vocativ

I think Vocativ needs to be semi-protected again. We just had another sock puppet with a brand new account pop up. Thanks. Intermittentgardener (talk) 15:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I've blocked the account. Given the technical evidence and the behavior, it's a  Likely sock of Tikkunallambahertz. Mike VTalk 15:21, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
It seems that the same person is back. .
I am trying to discuss the neutrality of the Vocativ page with IG on the article's talk page; after the user removed improvement tags I added for a lack of references and some promotional writing without trying to improve the page. I have no interest in an edit war, though IG has already removed the dispute resolution tag despite a lack of effort on the talk page to engage with me (not supposed to be removed unless the dispute is resolved). Before simply dismissing my concerns, can we please discuss the neutrality there? I am in no way affiliated with any other user that has edited Vocativ. Chestmas (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

revdel?

Can you take care of this. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:39, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

All taken care of. Mike VTalk 16:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@EvergreenFir: All set. Mike VTalk 01:49, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you again!!! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Shah439 / FlickTinyHDL ?

It appears the indefinitely blocked user Shah439 is back with another sock-puppet FlickTinyHDL. Could you please investigate? Thanks. Nightbat (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest that you open a SPI case. This will allow the evidence to be organized in one location for any future reference. Mike VTalk 02:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Question re courtesy blanking

although I have been here for some long time I cannot recall coming across this action before. Am I right in thinking, as it appears, that courtesy-blanked text is not admin-accessible? No problem, just asking. --Anthony Bradbury 11:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Generally it's available to all. The content is cleared, but it still remains in the page history. Mike VTalk 23:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Questions

I had removed my edit due to an unauthorized topic ban, and it was obvious that Vanjagenije thought that there are no complaints. Although there are, it is possible that this person is Azviz. Creation of same articles is pretty compelling. Well, if you think that it is not Azviz, I am even fine with that, still I have one question: If I happen to find more evidence in future, I can re-open the SPI concerning the same suspect? Thanks. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 18:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not certain how the diff you provided shows that "Vanjagenije thought that there are no complaints". Regardless, if you wish to create another case it might be best to run the new evidence by someone else first to get a fresh pair of eyes on the situation. This will help reduce any confirmation bias that might arise. Mike VTalk 20:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks and I would remember.
I was checking some of the new pages and found one of the article that you might have deleted before, or maybe just it's talk page. Article in question is Carlos Eduardo Moro. Yes it is PROD since 21 April, you may want to check if it the subject still fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY like the proposed deletion claims. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 23:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


REQUEST

Hi, Rafique Ghazanavi was a great musician of British India. He was linked may popular indian films & singers. Pls recreate this page. (talk)Kchatfb 11:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Well it should be "Rafiq Ghazanavi". OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 11:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, the page was deleted because it was created by a blocked user. I won't be able to restore it. Mike VTalk 02:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with @GraceBayResorts Page

Hello Mike,

So to showcase my true lack of wikipedia know-how, I believe I've now reached out to you in 2 incorrect locations. This indicates both my desperation to fix the issue and my complete Wiki-inability. :)

Anyway, while editing my client's Wiki Page, I was locked out and unsure how to remedy. Is there any way you could assist today? Full description of error message pasted below -

Thank you SO SO much!! Katie Lee

This user is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

19:17, 17 February 2015 Mike V (talk | contribs) blocked GraceBayResorts (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (autoblock disabled) ({{uw-softerblock}} ) Misplaced Pages does not have a user page with this exact name. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:GraceBayResorts. If in doubt, please verify that "GraceBayResorts" exists. Start the User:GraceBayResorts page. Search for "User:GraceBayResorts" in existing pages of namespace User. Look for pages within Misplaced Pages that link to this title. Other reasons this message may be displayed:

If a page was recently created here, it may not be visible yet because of a delay in updating the database; wait a few minutes and try the purge function. Titles on Misplaced Pages are case sensitive except for the first character; please check alternative capitalizations and consider adding a redirect here to the correct title. If the page has been deleted, check the deletion log, and see Why was the page I created deleted?.

The account was originally blocked because it represented an organization and doesn't mesh well with our community policies. However, the username you have now is just fine. Please be sure to check out Wikimedia's Terms of Use in regards to paid editing. You'll have to disclose your affiliation on your user page so that the community is aware. Best, Mike VTalk 02:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with Eli Vershleiser page

Mike, my name is Eli Vershleiser. I have been shown a page that was created under my name a few years ago. I have recently been shown the "updates" to the page where seemingly my ex-partner who I am in a bitter lawsuit with has hired individuals to vandalize the page putting untrue allegations there without support. If you read the support articles closely, you will find that I am not responsible for much of their claims.

If you look at the page prior to April of 2015 you will see how clever these people are that he hired. Please assist as I am not savy in the ways to report or fight these online defamation acts that they have now done. I do have my attorneys working on an additional lawsuit but as you know that can take a while to get done. I thank you.

Mike, if you aren't aware of it, it would be good to take a look at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Convalescentcabaret/Archive. Liz 14:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, liz. Much appreciated! Eli, I've semi-protected the page for a month. This will prevent new and anonymous users from adding content to the article. I believe this will help assist in stopping the concerns that you've mentioned. Best, Mike VTalk 15:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Firstly I want to thank you for your assistance in this matter and for the time you spend protecting, creating, and editing for the world. I want to make note of the remaining issues on the page. If you notice they made many changes that are completely false, unsupported, and not factual in nature. For the most part the version of the page you originally edited 02:11, 7 April 2015‎ seems supported and is factual in nature. What I now see is that they seem to all have been the same individual using fictitious names to make all the changes as user Liz noted above. Kindly take another look at your convenience. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.142.78 (talk)

Sramana move request

Please see Talk:Sramana#Requested move 04 May 2015. The editor wishes to undo the last move of the article, which I think you performed in January, 2014. There seem to be opposite ideas of what constitutes the COMMONNAME. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:48, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Another Gabby sock

Hi Mike, I think we've got another Gabby sock: OneMoreTime1. I've opened an SPI. Same areas of interest, Ever after High and Barbie. Has started a massive reorganization of Ever After High. Pretty ducky on the surface, but maybe a CU is warranted? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I think the eagle-eyed @MusikAnimal: might be on this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with the SPI. I was just restoring a large amount content that they removed, not realizing it was actually commented out to begin with. Their user page does insinuate some form of block evasion, though. — MusikAnimal 20:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Tirgil34 and IP socking

Hi, Mike V. I've noticed from your userpage that you understand and perform rangeblocks. Therefore i would like to ask you a question (and some others) which i have earlier asked Favonian. I started a sockpuppetry investigation against the notorious Tirgil34 (see WP:Tirgil34) some days ago. Among the listed socks are various IP's. Some of them are of the range 176.219.x (Istanbul) and have been accusing others of being socks of Tirgil34 at my talk page. Last year, various IPs within this same range were socking on Karasuk culture with confirmed Tirgil34 sock Greentent. Is it likely that these IP's belong to the same person? Tirgil34 has also since at least December 2013 been editing on IPv6 accounts located in Haina, Germany, which all belong to the range 2A02:908:E.x, and most recently 2A02:908:E620:A260:.x. These IPv6 accounts have both openly claimed to be Tirgil34 and attacked me, reverted me and accused me of "false-flag operation", pretended to be me and presented itself as my "ally". Could a range check on these IPv6 accounts be useful?. Is a rangeblock on them possible without too much collateral damage? Also, blocked Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor has been active on Wiktionary as recently as 5 May. Could the possibility of Hirabutor visiting Misplaced Pages with IP's shared by new sockpuppets make a check for sleepers on him useful? This question also applies to obvious Wiktionary sock Seamykohl. Sorry for the wall of text. Krakkos (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Krakkos: l can illustrate it for you. First, not whole 176.219.x ips from lstanbul. Where did you get this idea? Second, the ip, which was edited Karasuk culture almost 1 year ago, is 176.219.130, 132...x wheras the third digit of mine is 160, 165,... bla bla. The range whose third digits are 130, 131, 132... are not from lstanbul. See this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.219.161.78 (talk) 05:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

In that case, according to the site you're linking to, your own IP locates exactly to the same obscure location in "Central Anatolia" as Tirgil34's IP... Krakkos (talk) 00:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Krakkos: So that means the site is rubbish. You are inattentive. Almost all vodafone ips begin with 176.216.x and the ip that talked with Tirgil34 sock was from a different location (Adana). You can investigate it by yourself by using google. Your only argument is a "conservation" between an ip and Tirgil sock almost 1 year ago. And it is ridiculous that you also reported the socks and youtube account that i have reported to you in your talk page.

@Krakkos: this site clearly demonstrated the difference of locations. You can compare the ips. That's my last reply to you. Do what you want to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.219.167.201 (talkcontribs)

CheckUser needed?

Hello, I was patrolling Special:Tags particularly possible self-promotion of userpage and I found this which seems to have attracted alot of IPs to a sock's sandbox, adding and removing large content. The most recent three IPs seem to be from Queensland, Australia (Carindale and Brisbane) so I'm not sure if they're simply random or that sock. Note that these sandbox edits resemble Clare Nancy Addo 2's user page. Care to investigate? SwisterTwister talk 06:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems likely the edits were performed by the same individual and his or her IP just changed over time. Unless there's some disruption associated with their edits, I don't think it's too much of a concern. Also, just a general note. Checkusers aren't able to publicly connect an account to an IP except in very stringent conditions. Mike VTalk 22:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

please check what 3 experienced users are doing to page shiva

Collapsing sock

Hi Mike, I am Aditya. First, my apologies. Me and my friends created sock accounts and had a edit war with user NeilN which he triggered.

I would like to explain you. Initially i made a well sourced edit to the page, it was there for over a week. Except 3 users (Qwertyus,Abecedare,NeilN) many have thanked me for that edit. Those 3 users undid my work repeatedly, i reacted to them and got already blocked. Edit war was that i added 3 points and 2 pictures of this very old temple. (https://www.google.co.in/search?q=tanjore+temples&biw=1366&bih=631&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HBFRVf3nFpHjsAS-jYC4Bw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg)

They have a strong sectional bias. They have imperialistic approach (i researched their edits in that page). They want to change name of India to Sanskrit(sanskrit spoken only by 10k upper caste hindus worldwide). Their motive is to claim credit for others work. They have a strong hatredness to Hindi / Kannada/ Telugu / Tamil or other widely spoken languages. They term it ugly languages. Note Tamil is classical language.My patriotism is prohibiting me to explain deeply what is happening in India. Just to hint - Vandalism against muslims, christians, backward community Hindus. These three users are reflecting same attitude. Demolish others identity, property and pride.

After my block i kept quiet. But noticed that after removing me, they have treacherously proposed for another edit in the page to remove 5 other works relating to Tamil people (which was there in the page for years). This is proposal / fixing in talk page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Shiva&action=edit&section=5). No single source but they made up mind to remove them.

Than i did not enter into a edit war. I wrote "please consider these points and edit you way" only in talk page. Point by point explanation with sources. They did not allow the content in talk page for a minute. NeilN was repeatedly undoing and i retaliated.

(http://tools.wmflabs.org/usersearch/usersearch.py?name=NeilN&page=Talk%3AShiva&server=enwiki&max=100) While blocking me / my ip please consider consider banning these 3 users (Qwertyus,Abecedare,NeilN)from editing that particular page alone. They are not writing truth, all they majestic features belonging to that page is hidden because they belong to Other people.I suggest what they are doing in talk page is organized meat puppetry and POV. Let Other neutral admin take care of the page. There won't be any further trouble from us. Again my sincere apologies to dedicated wikipedians.

Our works with point by point explanation & sources which was not allowed in talk page is given below (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AShiva&type=revision&diff=661894127&oldid=661848800)

Consider before edit

First consider meaning of Etymology. I request you to read fully and proceed your way.

Etymology is study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.

But the current article starts “The Sanskrit word Shiva (Devanagari: शिव, śiva) comes from Shri Rudram Chamakam of Taittiriya Samhita (TS 4.5, 4.7) of Krishna Yajurveda.”

Before Shri Rudram Chamakam there was no word Siva in Sanskrit which was used to denote “Auspicious One” . Please note Shri Rudram Chamakam is a new work. Say rig Veda is old one.

Even in Sanskrit works till date Siva does not have a meaning other than mention of the God. It defines the god and his characteristics like auspicious. Rudhira is a Sanskrit word available in the oldest Sanskrit works.

Siva is a Tamil word. Siva has a meaning before naming the god that is color red. Both Rudhira and Siva denotes his color.

It is a tradition to name the god throughout Sanskrit Vedic / Tamil Scripture works by his color Note in later works, the same god is called as

1.Nilakantha (The one with a blue throat – Nila is color blue and katha denotes throat in Sanskrit). 2.Nilalohita (The One With Red And Blue Colour - Nila is color blue and lohita is red in later versions of Sanskrit. Both colors given because his throat alone turned blue other complexion remained red) Not to confuse/ Rudra in new Sanskrit dictionary means only the god “Terrible one”. It is rudhira it became extinct in new Sanskrit works. Lohita is used instead. Arudra is different another name for god.

Proofs 1.Vedic Proof for God’s color. Yajur Veda given in English (http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?10407-Lord-Shiva-in-The-Vedas ) Scroll down in the page “under YV 4. 5. 1 onwards-Sri rudram” You will find This Blue-necked (due to drinking poison), Red-complexioned One, who traverses through the sky (in the form of the Sun)�Him do see (with their eyes) the unlettered cowherds as well as the maids carrying water, Him do also see all beings (both high and low).

2.For color additional proof (http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/tht16.html) Note – Don’t Read the title which could be misguiding. Title asks why painting god in blue is / making scripture in black read fully the description.

3.Sanskrit Dictionary (Meaning for Rudhira) (http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=rudhira ) (https://en.wiktionary.org/%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B0) (http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=rudhira&direction=SE&script=&link=yes)

4.Tamil Dictionary (Meaning for Siva) (http://www.internetpolyglot.com/lesson-4772101240)

5.Sanskrit Name Nilalohita and Nilakantha for god proof .Look for 9th name in list. (http://www.drikpanchang.com/hindu-names/gods/lord-shiva/108-shiva-names.html) Sanskrit Name Nilakantha for god proof (http://www.mahashivratri.org/different-names-of-lord-shiva.html )

Please don’t delete all Tamil related works as mentioned under “Proposed edits”. Sanskrit has its own fame, uniqueness. But do we have to demolish Tamil identity completely to highlight Sanskrit. They call Tamil and Sanskrit as sisters in tradition because of co existence for centuries. Both mentioned as classical languages even by GOI. Is this mess up required? And please recognize the fact. Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil, kannada, telugu Bengali etc are not neesha baashas.

I'll let you determine if you want this removed altogether from your talk page. This is a guy you ran CU on a few hours ago, and where a rangeblock didn't seem likely to help (so we'll just whack-a-mole him I guess). ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  21:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, whach-a-mole is our best bet here. Mike VTalk 21:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

A question about sockpuppets

I was one of the first editors who called the edit history of new User:Señor Schultz into question, though lacking the extensive experience with AM, I chose not to submit the SPI. (I've gotta add, junior g-man User:Joseph Prasad is a pretty impressive editor for a youngster.) Without seeing details, I must bow to the results of checkuser who has identified the close relationship between Atomic Meltdown and Señor Schultz. And now comes Schultz, shouting to high heaven that he's not a sock. And I'm asking myself, if I were so accused and convicted, how could I prove a negative? BusterD (talk) 21:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... BusterD, thank you for the compliment to start. But if you are not a sockpuppet, likely, you will not be convicted (as I have been accused of it on two occasions, which were found negative or unsure, one actually being Atomic Meltdown. I'm not sure exactly how you would prove your innocence. Just present something that shows you are not a sockpuppet, I guess. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 21:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Speaking for myself, I have a very high threshold before I can conclude that someone is a sock. The evidence presented is thoroughly reviewed to make sure that it really supports what is claimed and that it's very conclusive. Just from my little experience so far as a checkuser, I know that the team takes a lot of efforts to ensure we don't block accounts on sheer coincidence. As for defending yourself, each SPI case is unique so there isn't much "catch-all" advice I can offer. I would just review the evidence presented, point out any errors you see, and if possible, show concrete ways that you and the suspected account are not related. Mike VTalk 22:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi.

Last time you told that it was someone from my computer to hack mu account, although none asked you to check that. But now it is more serious. Vandals and sockpuppets are creating new accounts and asking from unblock me, which means that they pretend that all of them are me. Can you check them and proof that all of them are not me, but just sockpuppet? Thanks.--Ahlm85 (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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Removed IP or username

Hi, I am just a little bit curiuos about the reason for removing an IP or username in the edit history of my talkpage. Can you remember the reason? Was it someone that posted a message while being logged out (by accident) and did not want IP to be shown or was it vandalism? I understand if you dont want to say or if you have forgotten, I am just curious and hoping it was not something serious (I really dont like threats against me). QED237 (talk) 10:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

It was material that needed to be oversighted. I can assure you that it was not a threat in any shape or form. Mike VTalk 14:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. QED237 (talk) 15:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Possible impersonation attempts

You probably have acquainted with the case of someone trolling a bunch of editors and blocked one (27.34.251.164 (contribs | filter log)) of the IP users involved. A long discussion went on at User_talk:Mar4d#My_account_is_hacked. Now, suddenly I got an email from Wikimedia stating "Someone (probably you, from IP address 110.170.36.200) requested a reset of your password for Misplaced Pages." Hence, I suspect the same troll/PA user has tried to access my account as well. I am not pretty sure now to address this issue other than changing some of my passwords. But, I assume the IP address may help getting the culprit. I was also wondering if there is a way of running CU on my signon and letting me know about the result, so that I can figure out if any suspicious activity happening with my account. Please, advise. --nafSadh did say 17:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply. Unfortunately, the checkuser policy does not permit us to grant self checks of others at their request. I would encourage you to ensure that you have a secure password and that you avoid using your account on shared devices. You can delete the message and nothing will occur. Please be sure that your email address password is secure as well, as this will prevent any unauthorized attempts to reset your password. Mike VTalk 20:11, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hello Mike V! Thank you for the introduction and the reminder! I thought it wasn't that private, the information, ya know? but hey! wait, why did you delete my user page? You could just ask me about the private stuff...good thing I have a backup of the parameters incase something happens, I can remove the private stuff now. Thanks again for the introduction at the Wiki! I like to edit articles thats stubbed, and I don't know why I said that. Thanks again! CryOCed (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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Unfortunately I haven't received it yet. Mike VTalk 16:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
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Range Block?

Hi Mike, A while back, you were kind enough to instigate a one month anon-only range block of 189.71.0.0/16 due to persistant vandalism. That seemed to have the desire effect but the user now seems to be back doing exactly the same thing. Is it possible to nip this in the bud again if this user is indeed the same person and is still exclusively using this range? I'm not overly familiar with the technicalities of range blocks so don't think it would be a good idea for me to attempt. I'm happy to keep an eye on my watch list for similar activity if needed. Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 16:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Motorcycling

So on Motorcycling, an IP initiated the changes, then they created a user account, then you warned them to stop edit warring, and now a new IP has resumed edit warring. Still not one word at Talk:Motorcycling. Can you revert and page protect now that two different IPs and an user account (which may or may not connect to the IPs) are involved? I'd like this person or persons to use the talk page to seek consensus. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Range Block

Hello Mike V, just a question I have a IPv6 that has been blocked (related to American military aircraft articles like the Consolidated B-24 Liberator) but keep appearing every day with a different IP address, dont know anything about IPv6s is it possible to range block them without causing to much of an issue, examples are:

  • 2600:1002:B021:C8A4:7D58:C5AD:61AE:CDD5
  • 2600:1002:B003:FE65:591C:60B8:8DF5:9A4
  • 2600:1002:B01C:F2F4:CE18:C836:521E:F31D
  • 2600:1002:B122:67F8:E0C2:D605:D761:5A5
  • 2600:1002:B003:862A:A8AC:CFFF:54D2:D0BB
  • 2600:1002:B018:6A5F:B25E:122C:D609:A553
  • 2600:1002:B001:F56:70D2:24B1:BC19:4566
  • 2600:1002:B001:5F8A:BCEB:9125:6444:12CA
  • 2600:1002:B00C:A763:CFB1:D008:56E5:135C
  • 2600:1002:B002:C707:829E:F5DC:9AE3:1F5D

Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 15:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately the range being used is 2600:1002:b000::/39. The mediawiki software limits our blocks of IPv6 addresses to /48 ranges. Thus, it's much too large for a range block. Individual blocks or page protection might be your best bet here. Mike VTalk 16:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for ther quick reply, understood, I will continue to protect pages that they appear in and block as the pop up, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Alexyflemming IP sock reactivated

Hi Mike. IP 212.174.38.3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has reactivated after recent 1-week block. Thank you. Δρ.Κ.  08:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've issued a 1 month block for the IP. Mike VTalk 16:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

ScrapIronIV block

Hey Mike, I realize that tensions may be running high lately, but ScrapIronIV's block seems a bit harsh considering that there's no way to know if they knew about the Discretionary Sanctions before editing the NRA article or about any of the drama associated with gun control. LB also removed an edit that has consensus from others that is a step in the right direction for the article. If a block needs to be handed out, give it to me in exchange for removing it from ScrapIronIV. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 14:54, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

While I understand that ScrapIronIV may not have been aware of the discretionary sanctions surrounding the article, I didn't make a block based upon those sanctions. It was for general edit warring. (1, 2, 3) Since it was the first edit warring related block, the duration seemed reasonable. Though it's kind that you offered to serve the block for ScrapIronIV, I'm sure you can understand why we can't permit that. Mike VTalk 16:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Cassianto

When I first saw Cassianto's comments, I didn't read them properly. His signature is beautiful and I assumed that he is good faith editor. Today saw him mentioned at ANI. I didn't like the language he was using, quite contratry to the image I had about him due to his beautiful signature.

ANI-Rollback Abuse by Cassianto

See this comment Most of the people on this page Doc wouldn't know a featured article if it came into their house on Christmas Day a defecated on their Turkey!

Before that he used the word "fuck" ,in the same discussion, Why don't you fuck off Caden, this has nothing to do with you. Your comments here are not constructive and are designed to provoke.

I don't know what problems he has with administrators here

Look at his comments here:

  1. Oppose -- running before he can walk. This editor has as much to do with article content creation as I do with open heart surgery on the Preying Mantis . Still, we seem to hand admin tools to just about anybody now so what would adding one more matter. WP:ADMIN is 70% full of bad-eggs. I just hope this user doesn't join their ranks. Cassianto 17:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    I don't usually challenge those who oppose a candidate, but bad egg? Do you really have that little faith in this candidate? —DoRD (talk)​ 18:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    I saw how that read and I apologise, I didn't mean for it to come out like that. What I meant was that he will be joining a load of bad-eggs already there. Cassianto 18:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    So you oppose a good egg joining the admin corps because only 30% of the current lot are good eggs? Funny reasoning. --Stfg (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    In your opinion he may be a good egg. Cassianto 20:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    This is your !vote, so perhaps you should state clearly what is your opinion, instead of this ambiguity. --Stfg (talk) 20:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    My !vote is not up for discussion and I would request that you mind your own business. Cassianto 20:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    Welcome to Misplaced Pages where when you post something people will discuss it. RfA is no different. Chillum 20:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    You can discuss things in your flippant tone until the cows come home Chillum, but I shall be taking no further part in it. My views have been made so you can draw your own conclusions. Cassianto 20:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    A wise move. It's always a good idea to stop digging when you're in a hole. Nick (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
    Whose digging? I'm simply not being baited into a block by commenting on another editor. Not everybody falls under the blanket of sycophancy you know. Cassianto 08:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


I guess he was the same before.Cosmic  Emperor  17:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)