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| :::::::OK, just to be super helpful I took six seconds and chnaged it so it does not say abortion in the lede. I'm not sure why you couldn't do that yourself. Naturally you will now withdraw this AfD as that was your concern. ]<sup>]</sup> 😜 02:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | :::::::OK, just to be super helpful I took six seconds and chnaged it so it does not say abortion in the lede. I'm not sure why you couldn't do that yourself. Naturally you will now withdraw this AfD as that was your concern. ]<sup>]</sup> 😜 02:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::::You're missing the point. For example, the article contains sections titled like this: "High sex ratio implies female foeticide" or "High human sex ratio may be natural". This is blatant POV - ]. Do I have to "correct" the whole article? Come on. It's much easier to rewrite it. --] (]) 03:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ::::::::You're missing the point. For example, the article contains sections titled like this: "High sex ratio implies female foeticide" or "High human sex ratio may be natural". This is blatant POV - ]. Do I have to "correct" the whole article? Come on. It's much easier to rewrite it. --] (]) 03:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::::Did you actually read those sections? Or just the section headers? PS I just changed the section headers! Yay for the edit tab! And these were wholly unacceptable as to be disruptive - not only did you completely skew the lede to suit your POV, but you removed large sections of information that broke the references. ]<sup>]</sup> 😜 04:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Speedy keep''', nominator hasn't provided a deletion rationale, subject is clearly notable. If there is a content dispute or a proposed rename, the nominator should discuss it on the talk page. –] (] ⋅ ]) 01:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | *'''Speedy keep''', nominator hasn't provided a deletion rationale, subject is clearly notable. If there is a content dispute or a proposed rename, the nominator should discuss it on the talk page. –] (] ⋅ ]) 01:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::Wrong, you must have selectively ignored what I have wrote. --] (]) 01:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ::Wrong, you must have selectively ignored what I have wrote. --] (]) 01:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Female foeticide in India
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Abortion is not legally considered foeticide in most countries. Moreover, the sources used are unrelated to the topic of abortion. The article that can be kept for the topic is Female infanticide in India. Foeticide and abortion are not the same thing, neither legally nor etymologically, as is widely stated inside the article. --92slim (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
KeepSpeedy keep - nom is POV pushing. Foeticide/feticide is the act of killing a fetus. Whether or not abortion is legally considered foeticide is not relevant. This topic is highly notable and has been widely covered; India's Pre-Conception and Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques Act, 1994 made it illegal to disclose a fetus' gender for no other reason except to try to prevent people from having abortions (which are otherwise legal) because scans indicate child is female. Secondly, abortion up to 20 weeks is legal; abortion afterwards is not. I saw a documentary on this topic and they discussed later abortions and women causing themselves to go into premature labor as a way to abort. So even if you want to argue abortion is not illegal, post 20-week abortions are, and would be considered feticide and punishable as such. —Мандичка 😜 00:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- The issue of "foeticide" is unrelated to sex-selective abortion, thus the legal argument is mentioned for comparison. The legality of abortion in India per se is completely irrelevant. --92slim (talk) 01:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree the legality of abortion is completely irrelevant, so I don't know why you brought it up. —Мандичка 😜 01:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Because it is unrelated to foeticide. Please read the argument carefully. For example, the article starts with "Female foeticide is the act of aborting a foetus because it is female." That is completely wrong, legally speaking. Foeticide and abortion are definitely not the same thing. --92slim (talk) 01:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- You mean the argument in which you claimed "Abortion is not legally considered foeticide in most countries" but supplied no documentation/references to support this applies to India, nor any real point? Applause for that argument. If you have an issue with that first sentence then bring it up on the talk page or ask for additional citations. It's not a valid reason to propose deletion of the entire article. —Мандичка 😜 01:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Feticide is definitely not the same thing as abortion. You should cite a source that claims otherwise, not me; this is both an etymological and legal definition at stake, so the article needs to be rewritten; as such, a deletion is warranted. Furthermore, abortion is legal in India so I don't understand how is that even important. I will repeat it for you: Abortion is not legally considered feticide in most countries. Legally speaking, feticide can only occur if the fetus was viable. Sorry to burst your bubble. --92slim (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- OK, just to be super helpful I took six seconds and chnaged it so it does not say abortion in the lede. I'm not sure why you couldn't do that yourself. Naturally you will now withdraw this AfD as that was your concern. —Мандичка 😜 02:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. For example, the article contains sections titled like this: "High sex ratio implies female foeticide" or "High human sex ratio may be natural". This is blatant POV - correlation does not imply causation. Do I have to "correct" the whole article? Come on. It's much easier to rewrite it. --92slim (talk) 03:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Did you actually read those sections? Or just the section headers? PS I just changed the section headers! Yay for the edit tab! And these "corrections" were wholly unacceptable as to be disruptive - not only did you completely skew the lede to suit your POV, but you removed large sections of information that broke the references. —Мандичка 😜 04:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. For example, the article contains sections titled like this: "High sex ratio implies female foeticide" or "High human sex ratio may be natural". This is blatant POV - correlation does not imply causation. Do I have to "correct" the whole article? Come on. It's much easier to rewrite it. --92slim (talk) 03:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- OK, just to be super helpful I took six seconds and chnaged it so it does not say abortion in the lede. I'm not sure why you couldn't do that yourself. Naturally you will now withdraw this AfD as that was your concern. —Мандичка 😜 02:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Feticide is definitely not the same thing as abortion. You should cite a source that claims otherwise, not me; this is both an etymological and legal definition at stake, so the article needs to be rewritten; as such, a deletion is warranted. Furthermore, abortion is legal in India so I don't understand how is that even important. I will repeat it for you: Abortion is not legally considered feticide in most countries. Legally speaking, feticide can only occur if the fetus was viable. Sorry to burst your bubble. --92slim (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- You mean the argument in which you claimed "Abortion is not legally considered foeticide in most countries" but supplied no documentation/references to support this applies to India, nor any real point? Applause for that argument. If you have an issue with that first sentence then bring it up on the talk page or ask for additional citations. It's not a valid reason to propose deletion of the entire article. —Мандичка 😜 01:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Because it is unrelated to foeticide. Please read the argument carefully. For example, the article starts with "Female foeticide is the act of aborting a foetus because it is female." That is completely wrong, legally speaking. Foeticide and abortion are definitely not the same thing. --92slim (talk) 01:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree the legality of abortion is completely irrelevant, so I don't know why you brought it up. —Мандичка 😜 01:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- The issue of "foeticide" is unrelated to sex-selective abortion, thus the legal argument is mentioned for comparison. The legality of abortion in India per se is completely irrelevant. --92slim (talk) 01:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy keep, nominator hasn't provided a deletion rationale, subject is clearly notable. If there is a content dispute or a proposed rename, the nominator should discuss it on the talk page. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
- Wrong, you must have selectively ignored what I have wrote. --92slim (talk) 01:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)