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Rich Farmbrough

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Nomination

Rich Farmbrough (talk · contribs) – I'm nominating User:Rich Farmbrough for two reasons. First, I have observed the quality of his work on Misplaced Pages — both before I took a long wikibreak back in 2007, and since I returned earlier this year. Second, I think we should right a historic wrong: he was an admin once before; he was removed by the Arbcom for allegedly using his admin tools incorrectly (see WP:ARBRF). This finding was soon vacated, however. His admin privileges should have been restored forthwith, but somehow that got overlooked. At any rate, the issue was a long time ago, and even if the ruling stood (which it didn't), I believe it would be of little significance today. David Cannon (talk) 12:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

I am delighted to accept the nomination. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC).

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I will do whichever tasks come to hand. Most likely a little anti-vandal blocking, a little CSD work, and some XfD closes. My (previous) admin-stats are available on a list here. I didn't do many (any?) unblock requests, though I am minded to do them, because by the time I have given the matter full consideration, someone else has either accepted or declined. For the same reason I don't believe I made or will be likely to make any controversial XfD closes or blocks.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: Some of the back-office templates I have built have been very efficient at labour saving. Articles like Whittington's Longhouse, Statue of John Bunyan, Bedford and Janet Harmon Bragg are nice to have created. Articles I started but didn't contribute a huge amount to such as Black Lives Matter, Je suis Charlie and 2009 Fort Hood shooting are probably more important. I have been working on viruses, which is a huge area we only scratch the surface of - starting alphabetically at Abaca bunchy top virus. Getting discretionary sanctions removed on six old arb cases was a nice administrative achievement. I am rather pleased with the essay WP:Misplaced Pages has more... which gives the lie to some common press pot-shots at Misplaced Pages coverage. I also rewrote a policy once, but I can't remember which one...

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Yes, I have dealt with it with humour, discussion and by walking away from the conflict, mostly the latter. I intend to continue to use these solutions, though I hope I become ever more adept at choosing the right mix.

Additional questions from User:DESiegel

4. What is your view of Process is important?

A: I have sympathy with the essay. Indeed I have taken more than one functionary to task for bypassing process. Specifically process is critically important where significant social impact is in the balance, for example deleting something which has taken a lot of effort, blocking users, imposing restrictions or iBans. The crux of the matter though is in the first paragraph " Poor process or no process ultimately harms the product." This is precisely what IAR is for. In some cases our process is poor or inapplicable to a special circumstance. In these cases we are faced with a trilemma, do the wrong thing because process says so, do the right thing, or change the process. Changing the process is a default in quality control systems I am familiar with, at least as part of the solution, by raising a corrective action.

I also think an important point made is that process is important for larger communities, and has become more important for en:Misplaced Pages over the years. Of course this is also why sub-communities sometimes wish to have special dispensation, which can cause friction with the rest of the community.

5. How strictly should the literal wording of the speedy deletion criteria be applied?

A: In terms of not deleting pages that do not meet the criteria, very strictly. (This was not the case last time I looked at what happens, I hope it has improved since.) In terms of allowing pages to move to the next step in the deletion process if their is reasonable doubt that they should be deleted, I would show leniency (actually I would perform the equivalent of WP:BEFORE prior to an apparently valid A7, which would probably mean that someone else had speedied it before I reached my conclusion).

6. What is the place of WP:IAR in carrying out administrative actions?

A: I would not apply IAR to an admin action unless it was a clearly necessary to avoid significant damage to the project or a person. I would not however have a problem with an admin who used IAR in a sensible non-contentious manner.

7. An admin is often expected or requested to help others, particularly new users, and to aid in calming disputes, either resolving them or pointing the participants to proper venues for resolution. How do you see yourself in this aspect of an Admin's role?

A: I am certainly willing to help new users and have spent a considerable time at WP:Tea House, and in welcoming and inviting new users there. I can, and have, pointed people to such places as WP:RSNB. As to calming disputes, that is a difficult matter, especially given the asynchronous nature of Misplaced Pages, but I hope that by encouraging people to focus on the content, rather than each other I have had that effect a few times.

Additional question from Winner 42

8. Why should the community trust you with adminship after you have repeated violated Arbcom editing restrictions resulting in several blocks including a one year long block in 2013?

A: I was editing a draft article (articles for creation as was) to help someone at WP:Teahouse. Here is the offending edit (note the page was successfully moved to main-space the following day). I was taken to Arbitration Enforcement by the only person who has taken me there, who was obviously following my edits very closely. From that edit he deduced that I was using search and replace, and should therefore be severely punished. Since this seemed an absurd use of the specific restriction, I asked for the Committee to rescind it. User:Sandstein asked the committee if he could go ahead with enforcement while the requested amendment was in progress. At 21:13 one arbitrator (not the committee) replied that he thought it could go ahead, since he had pre-judged the request. At 23:03 he imposed the 1 year block. I had had no time since the response from the committee to put my side, nor had I any intimation that one person could speak for the committee (and in fact they can't).

If you want some idea of the level of understanding the enforcing administrator displayed he believed that this edit was a sign of automated editing.

If you think that helping a new editor with a draft article as illustrated in the edit concerned is a good reason for a year-long ban, that's fine. I will continue to copyedit articles, even hopeless looking ones, and try and make them presentable. I hope I will make less and less errors doing it, though age, eyesight and general deterioration might have something to say about that. I would not have thought that that edit was one speaking to trust on a personal or community level, or use of admin tools, such as they are. Please feel free to ask supplementary questions on this point.

Additional questions from User:GregJackP

9.What is the most significant featured article that you have worked on?

A:

10.What is the most significant good article that you have worked on?

A:

Additional question from Mkdw

11. For those of us not familiar with Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough, would you in your own words summarize what happened?

A: OK, it's tremendously complicated because the roots go back to 2009, a very different time in en:WP. The case itself was over three years ago.

This summary will therefore necessarily miss a lot out, but I am happy to answer any questions arising. Also I can't claim an infallible memory, but I will check what I can.

I operated a bot, originally called SmackBot, later renamed (different account, same software) Helpful Pixie Bot, because someone didn't like the name "SmackBot" and I'm nice like that.

The major changes that this bot made were "dating maintenance tags" - the back end category and template system is largely my work, unless it's been re-written in the last few years. AnmoieBot has now taken over this task.

The bot originally ran on AWB, and made the standard AWB fixes, and a few others, as it dated tags. After some concerns I removed all the custom fixes, and eventually, because AWB couldn't ensure that no cosmetic only edits were made, and at the same time all essential fixes were I rewrote the entire thing in perl. (The number of "cosmetic only" edits was vanishingly small, but it needed addressing.)

Sometime prior to the case being opened an Arbitrator by the name of User:Hersfold (since resigned left the project) asked me to make a change to a bot task. I agreed but it took some time to implement (a few hours at most). He became rather angry, and blocked the bot while I was coding. I completed the changes and after an exchange of words got it running again.

A while later I emailed my impressions of this event to User:Elen of the Roads, another arbitrator (also now left), when IIRC she asked me about it. She later asked me if she could share it with Hersfold. Somewhat foolishly I said yes.

Shortly after Hersfold brought an arbitration case against me. Named parties were Herfold, Elen of the Roads, me and User:Fram (inactive for some time, if not left).

The crux of the case was that I was "going against community consensus" "Dismissing community concerns" "failing to lead by example"

I sent a preliminary email to the Committee, which they should have restricted the circulation of (they have a special list called the B-list for this). Of course they sent it to Hersfold and Elen too.

The drafting arbitrator was User:Newyorkbrad for whom I have a great respect. The deputy was User:Kirill Lokshin (who had previously had a disagreement with me over the banner name of a WikiProject he was effectively running).

During the course of the case, Newyorkbrad fell ill.

When the draft proposal was issued I was shocked. It did not to me reflect the progress we had made at the workshop, though sadly some had not been prepared to engage constructively there. I presume that it was a rush job since the drafting arbitrator had changed during the case, but it may be that Kirill remembered the disagreement, consciously or subconsciously. Be that as it may, I asked the committee for a fortnight to response. They denied it. The "findings" were found and the "remedies" were remedied.

Later I had one of the four (negative) findings overturned. It is one of the two that are factual, and was hence easy to disprove. The other factual finding is equally easy to disprove, but the Committee refused to even look at it. In fact the first comment called it (a finding ) a remedy. That is the finding that I broke bot policy. The three cited pieces of "bot policy" are not and never have been bot policy.

Other findings are are also weak, two of the three items listed as "gratuitous incivility" were made in the workshop page under a misapprehension, due to two sets of comments running together. I had reverted these as soon as it became clear what had happened. The third was perhaps a little incvil I remarked when someone "piled on" to a discussion "Sancho arrives" - implying that they were tilting at windmills, and assisting a Don Quixote. But to find even that level of incivility they had to go back to 2010!

So were there problems? Yes, of course, I made mistakes, and even did things that were unwise. For example when Fram announced he had opened his nth report on me at AN/I I responded with a sigh. I would have done better to not respond at all. But to me this does not rise to the level of being remotely sanctionable.

Even during the case I had put into place an issue tracking system, so that a) people would be assured that any issues was being attended too b) I could show that I was responsive to issues and c) if I wasn't there would be no doubt about it.

What has changed since the case? Well the named parties apart from me have left the project as has the only other person who presented a non-negotiable face to our discussions. I have doubtless learned to avoid being a named party in an arbitration case (I encouraged ARBCOM to accept the case in my nativity). I will not be making literary illusions, nor using the inflammatory "sigh" or "facepalm" in the future. I will continue to, for example, cut and paste ISBNs rather than type them in by hand as I am supposed to according to my restriction.

Please feel free to ask supplementary questions here, at my talk page, or by email.

Additional question from User:Stuartyeates

12. On which topic do you consider yourself to be furthest from the general wikipedia consensus?

Additional question from Мандичка

13. Would you operate a bot or automated tool again, if such sanctions were lifted? And is it true the one-year ban was for copying/pasting? I'm very confused by this. Who would expect ANYONE to retype ISBN or book titles? (Are you already required to retype URLs in refs?) —Мандичка 😜 22:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Additional question from User:Wbm1058

14. Sana'a Governorate, with less than a million inhabitants, has at least 435 populated places, according to Misplaced Pages. Most of these 435 articles were orphans, until I added links to them from the main Sana'a Governorate article. Many of these small villages can be found listed in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject History Merge/33 (see items #79–285). While these stubs were created by automated edits of another editor, you "Redirect(ed these) to proper name title using AWB", resulting in a large addition to the WP:CUTPASTE backlog. Noting that this repair requires administrator privileges, do you pledge to promptly clean these up by doing history merges, if you are granted adminship? Would you be willing to clean these up if the Arbitration Committee granted you temporary adminship so that you could complete this one specific task? Regards, Wbm1058 (talk) 23:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

General comments

• Requests for adminship/Rich Farmbrough
• Requests for adminship/Rich Farmbrough 2
• Requests for adminship/Rich Farmbrough 2/Bureaucrat discussion

• Links for Rich Farmbrough: Rich Farmbrough (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for Rich Farmbrough can be found here.
• The nomination statement is factually inaccurate and misleading. I was part of the Committee that voted to desysop Rich Farmbrough. Rich was brought to the Committee because the community had been concerned for some years with his editing pattern and behaviour. The community had imposed restrictions on Rich; but those restrictions were not working. The Committee looked into the case and decided to desysop Rich for his history of misconduct, poor judgement, and generally not working in a trustworthy and collegiate manner. The finding regarding unblocking of his own bots was problematic from the start (I commented at the time that not all the instances of unblocking of the bots were inappropriate), and after two appeals by Rich to reword the finding, the Committee decided to vacate that finding as it was not an essential finding anyway - he had not been desysopped for unblocking his own bots, but for his general history of misconduct and disruption. A year after that finding was vacated, the Committee had to formally warn Rich via motion that continued violations of the bot restriction would be enforced by a site ban. Essentially, there is evidence that Rich Farmbrough was a problematic user for years before the ArbCom case, and continued to push the boundaries of acceptable behaviour after the case. I assume the nominator was unaware of the history of Rich Farmbrough and the full details of the case, otherwise they would not have proceeded with a nomination and a misleading statement that could potentially harm their reputation in future RfA nominations. SilkTork 07:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC).

User:SilkTork - I am willing to let you, for the moment, make claims about collegiality, incivility, judgement etc, as these things can be somewhat subjective, but you will please strike the suggestion about trustworthiness. I note also that the "remedy" said that I am free to seek re-appointment by RFA. It is somewhat disquieting that, not content with the opprobrium you have heaped upon me in your role as an arbitrator, you choose to interfere with the process here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 09:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC).

You are welcome to seek re-appointment by RFA, and I'm not stopping that, nor am I ivoting in this RfA. I am commenting on the nomination statement, which you have accepted, even though you of all people, know it is factually incorrect and misleading. Your acceptance of that statement, and your challenge of it here, will allow others to assess how trustworthy you are. For my part, I can confirm that your deceitful behaviour was a key factor in the decision to desysop you. This finding: , drew attention to deceptive behaviour on your part. I don't expect you to accept that, as a significant part of the issue surrounding you is your consistent failure to understand the issues surrounding you. I never found you to be a malicious or unpleasant person, and I didn't want you to be site banned, but it did disturb me then, and it continues to disturb me now, that you will not accept that the community has serious concerns about your editing methods and your attempts to deceive the community regarding using automated tools. To be clear - if someone is being deceptive, they cannot be trusted. If someone doesn't accept their actions are disruptive and of concern to others, and so continues those actions despite informal and formal request to stop, they cannot be trusted. That you don't accept that your actions were not trustworthy doesn't in itself encourage trust. SilkTork 12:30, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

You attribute deceit, that's fine. What is not fine is to bring your attribution to Misplaced Pages. At no point did anyone discuss that finding with me, and as it stands there is absolutely nothing in that finding that constitutes malfeasance on my part.

And as to holding me in some way culpable for accepting the nomination, David Cannon's interpretation is his own, and he is entitled to it (and to change his mind if he wishes). It is though, broadly shared by a number of editors. I did not encourage him in his opinion, I made it clear (when he asked) that you could have many reasons for not restoring my bit, including one that approximates to what you have said.

Neither David nor I have done anything wrong here. Your Catch 22 "Unless you accept that you are untrustworthy we can't trust you" is an unbecoming argument from anyone.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:56, 28 June 2015 (UTC).

What is Catch 22 about admitting you did something wrong? A statement along the lines of "The community were concerned because I was introducing errors into articles. Because I was using automated tools, it was difficult for other users to check my edits and tidy them up, so the community asked that I stop using such tools. I am strongly attached to using automation, and found it difficult to comply with that request, so continued to use it surreptitiously. I was caught again and banned for one year. I admit I made mistakes, and I understand what I did was wrong, and I promise I won't do it again." would go a long way, and because you are not a malicious person, and your intentions are good, a good number of those ivoting against you may well change their mind. If you had come to this RfA with that approach I may well have ivoted in support. As it stands I am not ivoting against you, and I wish you no ill, but I feel uncomfortable when I see incorrect statements go by unchallenged, and so feel a need to speak up. SilkTork 16:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Y Answered on user's talk page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC).

• The idea that the nomination statement is deceptive is lost on me. It is not deceptive to create the shortcut WP:ARBRF and then have it used within the statement to link to the case. The statement says that RF was desysoped by the Arbcom for allegedly using his admin tools incorrectly. When I read WP:ARBRF, I noticed that finding 8 -- about RF allegedly using admin tools to unblock a bot that was blocked by another admin -- was passed at the same time and date (19:17, 15 May 2012) as the remedy to revoke RF's administrator status. It is excusable to say that an abuse of admin tools was "alleged", because the finding 8 was vacated. Whether RF's administrator status should have been restored or whether this was overlooked is opinion. The way I see it, the admin tools must not have been revoked to prevent automation because RF still has a privileged tool set that is capable of facilitating the mass production of changes. RF had stopped short of using automation in a way that would provoke that kind of protective response from the ArbCom, even if only scarcely. The admin tools do appear to have been revoked over a vacated allegation that RF misused them. Italick (talk) 18:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
• I think I now have some explaining to do — and an apology to make, both to Rich and to the Misplaced Pages community. I nominated Rich as someone I like and respect, as a friend and fellow-editor. Having been away for most of the last 7-8 years, I was not aware of the complex issues surrounding this case, and had no idea how controversial this nomination would prove to be. I think I was remiss in not investigating that matter for myself and taking the trouble to hear all sides of the argument before nominating Rich. I am sorry that have opened up divisions in the community with this nomination. I promise to be more careful in the future before nominating anybody else. And Rich — I apologise to you, too — for exposing you in this way to the airing of past mistakes that I'm sure you wish with all your heart would be forgotten about. Having said that, I believe very strongly in loyalty. Even though my decision to nominate Rich now appears to have been too hasty, I will not abandon him how. I'll stand by my friend and colleague while the process takes its course. I will fully support whatever decision the community ends up making, and, once again, I will be more diligent in researching future nominations. David Cannon (talk) 14:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

  You certainly don't need to apologise to me. I am reasonably happy with the responses so far, there are only a couple that have stooped to personal attacks. Many of the oppose and neutral !votes are supportive in their own way, for which I thank them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:56, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
  

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. Contrarianism ;) Unanimity is boring. Still here after various dramas; obviously has the good of the project in mind even when there's dissent about particular actions. Thank you for the virus articles. I think there's a fair general case to be made in favor of responding to specific opposing concerns instead of templated questions like 4-7 and 9-10. A response to Q11 would be a good idea, though. Opabinia regalis (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Thanks for the detailed answer to Q11. Reading the history of this case is a real eyeroller. Noting here as the first respite one reaches after the walls of text above that I find most of SilkTork's commentary to be in very poor taste; it reads much more like an attempt to extract another pound of flesh than a neutral correction of purported errors. Just oppose already. Meanwhile I'll update my contrarian support to a bolded-vote support. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:27, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

2. Desysopping for the smackbot thing was absurd – a really stunning example of the letter of the law trumping the spirit of the law (as well as common sense). I don't think there is any reason to think that he will cause any problems as an admin; any concerns about his automated editing seem totally orthogonal to having the bit. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 05:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   He was an admin before and I have sources that say he was wrongly stripped of his duties. And i would love to be a victim of one his blocks. As a vandal ,I know he would be a good blocker.He started pages,has a cool usertalk page and he has knowledge of bad articles that shouldn't be there. He reminds me of a younger NeilN circa 2009. Jameslucindo1 — Preceding undated comment added 06:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   This user was created during the RFA and is now blocked as a vandal-only account. —Soap— 16:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

3. Support From one former admin to another. I probably wouldn't pass a second RFA, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be a good admin again if I did. I think you'd do fine with the bit again too. INeverCry 07:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
4. Strong support - great editor, great bot operator, all the perceived problems he caused are minor storms in a glass of water, turned into a cyclone by a couple of editors and ArbCom - made a great admin, still will make a good admin. --Dirk Beetstra 09:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
5. Support A consistently good editor for a very long time. I am confident that he will be a valuable asset to WP. Rich should be reinstated as an admin Audit Guy (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
6. Regardless of its merits, and at the least I thought it excessively long, the last block was over two years ago. I have found Rich very helpful in his ability to create lists, I admire the way he renamed SmackBot when I and others requested him to do so. I am confident that if we give him back the mop he will use it with kindness and in the interests of the pedia. ϢereSpielChequers 10:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
7. Support I have every confidence that Rich will be a positive benefit to the project as an Admin. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 11:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
8. Support His blocks were a long time ago, and I don't see why that should prevent him from becoming an admin now. If someone makes a mistake, and we shouldn't let that affect them forever. Whatever it was that he did wrong, even if it wasn't a mistake, we need to forgive eventually; people change. He was blocked more than a year ago. He's been a helpful contributor since then, and that's all that should be considered. If we never completely forgive people who have been blocked, we'll miss out on some great admins, and it looks like Rich would be one. It doesn't make sense for a block to automatically disqualify people from becoming admins, no matter how long the block lasted. As long as they improve the encyclopedia, their RfAs should be considered. This is completely separate from the arguments about whether he even should have been blocked. I won't comment on this case in particular, but just the history of blocks, which are completely at the discretion of the admin and can therefore be unfair, shouldn't mean anything alone. KSFT 13:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
9. Support Looking around and per comments above and think RF will do fine as an admin. (Littleolive oil (talk) 18:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC))
10. Support Rich deserves a lot more good faith than is being shown on this page. As WSC points out above, the last block was 2 years ago and many established members of our community feel it was excessively punitive. Anyone who spends time with Rich cannot doubt he is one of the good guys, and though he ran repeatedly into issues with his gnomic pursuit of automation years ago, there never was any doubt about his ability with the mop. If you want to oppose, sure you are welcome to your opinion based on the facts, but let's avoid using RFA as a medieval town pillory; we would like more people to follow the open path that Rich has, rather than hounding those with past issues into faux retirement and a clean start. --Fæ (talk) 13:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
11. Support I find the apparent desire of a former arbitrator to retry the litigation where that arb was one of the primary proponents of the decision which was later "substantially altered" by removal of a major charge to be distasteful in the utmost, and possibly indicative of a less-than-collegial attitude here or even evidence of prejudgment in the original decision. Such argumentation should be restricted to the talk page for the RfA and not given prominence here. If RF engages in improper use of a bot, the community is well able to handle the issue. The expressed opinion is, IMHO, contrary to Misplaced Pages dicta. The only issue here should be "does this person understand Misplaced Pages policies, procedures and guidelines, and act in full accordance therewith". Collect (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
12. Support- basically because a few of the opposes are vicious ad hominems and should not stand unchallenged. Reyk _YO! 16:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
13. Support per Dirk Beetstra, Fæ, Collect Reyk, et al. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
14. Support RF is experienced, knowledgeable, cool-headed and a hard worker. RF can be trusted with admin tools. It is unimportant that an administrator never have had any friction with authority on this site. If somebody has not at any time experienced any friction with authority at Misplaced Pages, it is probably because that individual has been much less involved in building and managing Misplaced Pages than RF. Italick (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
15. Support - No comment. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
16. Support - Per a number of others above. I'm uncomfortable with how the bit was taken, and believe in a second chance; those outweigh any reservations. --Drmargi (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
17. Support, weak due to lack of answer to my questions. I did go through his articles created and noted that several have been taken to GA/FA status. GregJackP Boomer! 21:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
18. Support. Nobody has raised objections with his (prior) admining, and I find his answers to be satisfactory. Alakzi (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
19. Support I said "meh", the previous abuse was quite a long time ago and I personally don't think it's destructive (on a serious level like outing/stalking), every people deserve second chance. And now it's the time to give Rick Farmbrough to give his second chance.--AldNon 22:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
20. Support. Basically per WereSpielChequers. I don't remember where I interacted with him, but I know I did somewhere, I remember that he was very helpful. The 2013 block was over 2 years ago now, and looking at the reason for it, it seems to me to be an absolutely absurd block by somebody who was just looking for an excuse. Although he may have indeed had problems in 2012 and before, that's was 5/2 years ago, and shouldn't be held against him for what he is now, which appears to be a helpful, courteous editor who would be a benefit to WP with the admin tools. StringTheory11 (t • c) 22:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
21. Support An experienced, knowledgeable editor. I reject the suggestion that being nominated by someone else is an act of hubris. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
22. Support Whenever I've come across this editor's contributions they have always been helpful and constructive. Past malfeasance aside, he's had a clean block log for the past year, and I think he would have a positive impact on the project as an administrator. --Ahecht (TALK
    PAGE) 00:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
23. Support - Disclosure: I know Rich from many wikimeets in the UK, and I can confirm that in person he's gentle, witty and very bright. On wiki he used the admin tools for seven years without problem and has made a million edits. How's that for dedication to the project? I have no idea why he'd want to go back to admining again after the way he's been mistreated by so many sad, vindictive people. As usual, this broken process shows how poor some folks are at judging who is actually trustworthy. --RexxS (talk) 00:22, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
24. Support. I've found Rich to be thoughtful and helpful. Sarah 03:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
25. Shouldn't have been de-sysoped in the first place. Jenks24 (talk) 04:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
26. Support. Like RexxS I have met Rich many times and found him to be a person of very mature age, temperament, and dedication to Misplaced Pages. Having read his history, I find it peppered with comments and actions by sysops who have either already slunk away or dissappeared under a cloud. Rich can easily expect more respect from the community than he's getting in the lower floors of this page - 'low' is the operative word and anyone who in all honesty would think again, would also find thart the arguments are not in the slightest bit compelling. I am greatly disturbed by SilkTork's attempt to completly scupper this RfA from the word go with such an almost unprecedented long speech while saying he isn't voting. It's a tactic I personally wouldn't dare resort to however strongly I felt. And for anyone who has been following recent discussions, such 'non-vote' comments do the most damage - every other oppose being simply an unresearched pie-on. An extroadinarily engaged editor, Rich is one whom we need to keep on board and trust with the tools too but I have no idea why he'd even want to go back to editing at all after this character assasination. Thank you so much to you down there in the bargain basements where words come hard and cheap. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    The nominator made a factually incorrect statement that ArbCom desysopped Rich Farmbrough for using his admin tools incorrectly, and that the finding based on his desysop was later vacated so he should have had the tools returned. It is normal in RfAs for factually incorrect statements to be challenged. As I am not ivoting in this RfA, the place to put such a challenge is in the Comments section. If the nomination had not been incorrect, I would not have commented at all. Looking back at my comment, I agree that it is worded rather too strongly - I guess I was responding to seeing that some of the support comments had accepted the nomination statement at face value ("Desysopping for the smackbot thing was absurd"). A more open and less misleading and inaccurate RfA, one in which Rich Farmbrough admits he made errors in the past but that he has changed and is moving forward positively, might well have worked, and I might have supported the nomination. But here we are, with a divisive RfA based on misinformation, and the nominee making no attempt to clear that up, but still presenting himself as the one who has been wronged. SilkTork 17:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

27. Support (moved from neutral) I started writing a response to Kudpung's comment, adding some positive aspects about Rich's editing career, then realised that had persuaded me to take a more positive stance. I'm sure his comment wasn't directed at me, but one of the reasons I went with "neutral" is because I've met Rich at some of the London meetups, and as everyone else has said, he's a nice guy with a good attitude and sense of humour, and I felt that might cloud my judgement a bit. The other reason is I'm not sure he'd like adminship and it might cause him grief. Still, I don't think anyone's brought it up yet, but his actual aptitude and ability to use the tools isn't really under question - his AfD score is good (the tool trips up because he seems to !vote "Keep or merge" a lot) and a spin through his contributions reveals lots of article work. The only real time I've worked with him is getting Je Suis Charlie on the front page via WP:DYK, but that's just the sort of interactions I like on here, strong content work. Bottom line is when I looked at what Rich does now and how he does it, it's exactly what I'd want out of an admin - somebody who's here to make the encyclopedia better, not make friends and form a social network. As for the edit on Mohan Deep that got him a year's block - how many "automated" tools do you know that accidentally mistype "controversial" as "cntroversial"? Ritchie333 09:52, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
28. Support - can't see why not. Deb (talk) 11:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
29. Support (moved from neutral). After reading over Rich's responses to the adminship questions and reading all the support and oppose comments, I think we need an editor who is as hardworking and dedicated as Rich as an admin (again). We should give him a second chance, because it seems that he was trustworthy in areas that didn't involve automated tools. Epic Genius (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
30. Support ~ per WereSpielChequers, Collect, Reyk, Kudpung, et al. Cheers, Lindsay 13:26, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
31. Support A truly focused, hardworking, public-spirited, consummate and level-headed editor. Rich, definitely deserves another chance to be Admin. People grow through experience, can't see this editor letting the community down if handed the tools. Stanleytux (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
32. Support on condition that RF doesn't reward me with cider. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:07, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
33. Support - Rich is not a block-happy admin by his history, but rather one who has turned his energy to building articles instead. Despite his past desysopping and blocks, I feel he is a net benefit as an admin.→StaniStani 20:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
34. Support: 354 drama-free days and counting! A good attitude and a strong commitment to this wiki. My impression is that he won't return to the behavior which got him in trouble in the past, which involved his use of automated editing, not use of admin tools. He has a lot of technical knowledge (programming and templates for example) and is an asset to the site. -- Diannaa (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
35. Support I think Rich will be a net positive for the project, regardless of past drama. As a community we need to be able to get past these things, people can and do change. If there was drama without the long history of positive contributions then it would be another matter, but the pluses are all there. §FreeRangeFrog 20:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
36. Support:Net positive, we all occasionally have issues, I don't see the past drama having any influence on his ability to use the tools wisely. Has been helpful to me in the past. Would be nice to have him back. Montanabw 21:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
37. Support. I can't see this succeeding - but who knows? Unlike some opposers, I rather like his responses here. I can't see there being a problem with him having the tools. He knows what not to do if he gets them back. Peridon (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
38. Support precious noticing what is "soul destroying" - trusted, - my only supporter on the Jimbo Wales page, when I said "This user learned that the flowers of kindness, generosity, forgiveness and compassion do not grow well on a soil of people thinking of other people as toxic personalities." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
39. Support I think this all the objections hinges around an arbcom case and its consequences, and I think his explanation is satisfactory. Block logs do not always tell the full story, and should tempered with his achievements. Do I trust him with being an admin? Yes. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 23:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
40. As with RexxS and Kudpung above, I have also had the benefit of meeting Rich Farmbrough in person (one of the first Wikipedians I ever met, in fact) and possess knowledge of his real character: he is highly experienced/knowledgable, has a positive demeanour and is a good person, which is what counts the most. I believe he is the type to learn from past mistakes and I think that's what he has done here; if he wants some extra tools again to help out, so be it. Evidently, however, I do not want to be let down so I advise Rich to exercise extreme caution when using the tools should this candidacy end with a successful result. You're a good person and are definitely worth having around: let's keep it that way. Acalamari 23:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
41. After some thought, I believe that Rich Farmbrough has sufficiently demonstrated that he is willing to learn from his mistakes, and I believe that his explanations are enough. I trust him with the mop, thus I will support. --ceradon (talk • contribs) 00:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Extremely strong oppose - Absolutely and positively is not qualified in any respect to be an admin, as his past history, loss of rights and numerous sanctions indicate. The block log itself is a travesty. The idea that he would try for the bit again is hubris in the extreme. I find this request to be appalling. BMK (talk) 00:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Um.. so I am willing to take on additional work, and you find that appalling? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

   No, I find it appalling that you apparently have so little self-knowledge and no clue about your standing in the community that you would cheerfully accede to this nomination; the last thing we need around here is a truly clueless admin. I would withdraw your nomination before someone feels it necessary to actually list point for point, item by item, the numerous reasons that you should never again be an admin -- oh, but I forgot, those are all "problematic", everything ever said about you, every block, every sanction, every ArbCom finding, every loss of rights, they're all "problematic" in one way or another in the world according to Rich Farmbrough. BMK (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Look, we all make mistakes. It makes for a much happier world if we are given the chance to make amends for them. Let's give Rich a break! David Cannon (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   You were gone for a long time, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt: Rich has been given many, many breaks, and he screws them up each time. Besides, we don't make people admins to give them a "break", we make them admins because we trust them to do the job right. You may trust Rich, other may as well, but many people don't, because of his history of not being trustworthy. It's really as simple as that. BMK (talk) 03:31, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

2. Tentative Oppose. No explanation of previous removal of the bit. The above "vacated" link goes to a struck out section but many other sections that are relevant to adminship remain. The silence bothers me, and without further explanation, I'll accept the the other sections even if they are stale because there is no information about what has changed. Glrx (talk) 01:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Please feel free to ask questions about the sections that interest you. I still have my partly drafted response to the proposed decision, which I was denied time to complete, so I will probably be able to answer, despite the passage of several years. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

3. Oppose - Even if part of the case was vacated, there are still other concerns from that case. The findings regarding conduct, as well as his block log, give me pause. While the following does not bear on my decision, I also think that the holding an RFA to "right a historic wrong", as the nominator put it, is a bit out of place; RFAs should be solely held to examine an editor's work and ability to handle the tools, not to right a perceived injustice. Rich has done good work, but there is too much here that makes me uncomfortable with him having the tools. Sorry. -Pax Verbum 01:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Please note the nomination was with my permission, but without my input, as it should be. If I remember aright the other findings are also a little problematic. Sadly the committee denied me the time to write a proper defence, and has since shown that it is unwilling to reconsider the other findings, even when they are patently wrong (diff can be supplied on request). I would be happy to answer questions if you think I have been "unresponsive" or "incivil" since the case. If not then either something has changed, or nothing was wrong in those respects in the first place. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

   That's why I mentioned that the nomination bit would have no bearing on my decision. I do have a question though, and to be quite honest an answer will not change my !vote, but I am curious: why have you responded to almost all of the oppose votes (at the time of this edit), rather than answering the questions that others have asked above in the interview section? It seems that answering those questions might help allay some people's concerns or help to drum up support. Terribly sorry that this RFA has started out on such a negative note; you have had some good contributions, and I wish you all the best! -Pax Verbum 03:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Thanks. The reason is that I glanced at the page and saw the opposes just before I went to bed. Being unable to sleep I decided to pop in and respond. I hadn't seen any of the questions until just now. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 05:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

4. Oppose. I'm sorry, but checking your block log was enough in itself to make me oppose. Someone who had a one-year block expire only a bit more than a year ago is not fit for adminship. --Biblioworm 02:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Well a one year block for a one-character typo was a little extreme... especially as there was no time given to discuss the matter. I believe the blocking admin made a comment to the effect that he would have lifted it if I had requested, but sadly he did not say that until the year was up. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

5. Oppose. No answers to questions, extremely extensive block log, currently subject to an ArbCom-imposed restriction and two community-imposed sanctions, loss of community trust, personal lack of trust in his judgement, likely net negative. Moved from neutral. L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 02:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   This oppose dated rather quickly, and if one looks at the diffs is at best misleading. "Taking nearly 9 hours to answer q 4" would have turned out accurate, though considering the time zones a little inconsiderate (the candidate has put himself in the category "Wikipedians In England" so it is only polite to allow him some sleep at that time of day). But when you made this comment the first three questions had already been answered and question 4 had been up for barely two and a half hours. It used to be that RFA candidates could expect 24 hours before being asked if they were going to answer a question. No wonder people think RFA is broken if you can get opposes for not answering a question within two and a half hours of it being asked. ϢereSpielChequers 21:23, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   @WereSpielChequers: My apologies, I've stricken that part. I see that the entire oppose was too harsh, so I'll come back in a bit and change it. Thanks. L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:31, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Thanks for striking that bit. I didn't challenge the rest of what you said because there is a legitimate difference of opinion as to how one treats the other issues and how long a period of uncontentious editing is needed to restore people's trust, and some of us do treat lapses from our fellow volunteers more harshly than others do. ϢereSpielChequers 21:40, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

6. Oppose - Very extensive block log and the subject of current sanctions which have been repeatedly violated. If we cannot trust him to obey Arbcom sanctions, how can we trust him with adminship? Choosing to badger oppose !voters instead of answering questions also reflects poorly on the candidate. If I were to support this candidate, I would expect all findings of fact relevant to Rich to be found false and be removed by motion of Arbcom as well as several years of productive, block-free contributions to Misplaced Pages. Winner 42 Talk to me! 03:02, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
7. Strongest Oppose - Per block log. I cannot have an admin who has been blocked for a year plus having editing restrictions. I cannot have an admin who had have an ArbCom imposed community sanction and also I do not think he is fit for the tools. - EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
8. Oppose I still come across {{Use dmy dates}} templates placed in articles about American people and subjects by RF. This was done in a WP:POINTy fashion in clear violation of MOS:DATETIES. I do not care how much time has passed there is no way that I could trust this editor with admin tools. MarnetteD|Talk 03:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
   • Yikes. This is one of my "things" (MOS:DATETIES, on both sides of the pond, is very important to me). @MarnetteD: do you have a recent diff that shows an example of this? (In the meantime, I will refrain from any voting here...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:56, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   IJBall I have great respect for DATETIES and WP:ENGVAR. I haven't had to change one recently but that is because I haven't been editing film and actor articles as much in the last couple months. If you want to dig into my edit history look for articles about silent film actors. I can say that the ones I find have been there for years so another angle is to look for edits by RF circa 2010. MarnetteD|Talk 04:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Another way to search would be to create a tracking page using {{trackingcat}} for that template and then look at the articles listed there. I am not quite sure how to do that but I think it already exists somewhere so another editor may be able to show you how to get there. MarnetteD|Talk 04:07, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

9. Oppose. I see no reason whatsoever why someone with such a record should be trusted with admin tools. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
10. Oppose because I don't trust the nominee with more tools. I, too, was tempted to post neutral to avoid the pile on but I'm not actually neutral, so I can't in good conscience do that. – Athaenara ✉ 06:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
11. Strong Oppose: The most important characteristic of an administrator is restraint. Regardless of user rights, everyone is bound by the consensus of the community. This nominee has repeatedly disregarded that consensus, as evidenced by the repeated violation of sanctions. I have little faith that he will show more restraint in the future given how frequently he's been given the opportunity to make that change and failed to do so. ~ Rob 08:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
12. Strong oppose - I'm sorry, but you have repeatedly broke your editing sanctions and as such we can't trust you. Please come back in a few years. I saw your previous RFA in 2005 was successful, but then you had your administrator privileges (along with your edit filter manager privileges) revoked by the decision of an arbitration request in 2012 due to repeated abuse. We can't trust a former administrator that has been abusive in the past. When an administrator becomes abusive there is no really turning back. --TL22 (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
13. Oppose While I believe Rich has the best interests of the project at heart, the problem I have is that his definition of "best interests" is idiosyncratic and he doesn't accept it when decisions go against him. That's not something we need in an admin. Anomie⚔ 13:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
14. Oppose Lack of good judgement, inability to see the concerns that the community has had with him over the years, and general lack of the temperament expected of an admin. The inability to listen to what others say when it is different than what he sees is very very troubling. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
15. I've had pleasant personal interactions with Rich, and that almost makes me want to go with "neutral", so as not to pile on. However, for the reasons discussed above under #General comments, I feel that opposing is the right thing to do. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
16. Oppose No doubt someone will quickly jump to correct me, but surely the access to various buttons would contravene the candidate's Arbcom sanction relating to not using automation in any form? Leaky Caldron 17:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

    I can't see that it would. The automation they mean is surely high speed bot work, not using Twinkle on individual cases. Peridon (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

17. Oppose. I have no confidence in the nominee's judgment. AGK 17:40, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
18. Most definitely not. --Rschen7754 17:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
19. Oppose very worrisome block log, especially with the most recent being a one-year-long block. I'll grant that was back in 2013, but it feels too soon since such a lengthy block. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
20. no. Cloudchased (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
21. Oppose on ideological grounds. Misplaced Pages has enough admins, the last thing we need is more oversight, more blocks and more topic bans. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

    You know what's funny? Out of 1,348 Administrator on English Misplaced Pages only 306 of them are active currently, you notice it's not even 10% of them.--AldNon 22:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

    Minor point: 10% of 1348 administrators would be about 135; 306 is closer to 23%. – Athaenara ✉ 10:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    I don't believe in that my 7 years as admin I handed out any topic bans. Nor do I think I blocked many, if indeed any, editors other than drive-by-vandals. I am (was) one of those admins who uses the tools to marshal pages not people. For people we have discourse. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
    

    Handpolk and Rich Farmbrough, what is wrong with "more oversight, more blocks and more topic bans" if the shoe fits? Flyer22 (talk) 04:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    If the shoe fits, nothing. But that's just vandals and uncovering socks and stuff. That all seems to be managed pretty well right now. For the stuff that requires a human to make a judgement call, I would prefer Misplaced Pages to be far more free-wheeling with less oversight. If one editor calls another a name, there doesn't need to be four admins there an hour later, debating how long to block him for. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 05:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Handpolk (last time WP:Pinging you here), given that WP:Administrators are prone to make mistakes, just like any other human, sometimes we need at least two of them to make sure that the right call was made. I understand that too many cooks in the kitchen is often problematic, but having just enough cooks there can be beneficial. Flyer22 (talk) 06:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    The problem with that example wasn't too many admins being there, it was any admins at all being there. Misplaced Pages has major admin overload. It's like one of those small towns with too many bored cops, looking to bust you for any minor infraction. The encyclopedia isn't improved by blocking and banning everything that gets out of line. Nor is it improved by endless, hard to understand policies and guidelines -- but that's another matter. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 07:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    @Handpolk: Bans are a community decision - they can't be handed out by admins singlehandedly, except in certain topic areas, see WP:Banning policy. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Wikilawyer my point all you want, admins make the final decision -- and they hand out blocks like candy on halloween. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 01:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

    There are often better ways to resolve a problem than sanctions. It is sadly true that talking people down from conflict does not guarantee that it won't re-arise, but the same is true of sanctions. The difference is that many sanctions actually deprive us of positive contributions. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
    

    Er, 306 is 23% of 1,348. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

22. Oppose There are way more editors who are more suitable to be admin. OhanaUnited 22:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

    I'm sure that is true. Please see if you can nominate one or more of them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
    

23. Oppose - I really wanted to support you, Rich Farmbrough but the arguments made by few above are pretty convincing for me to sign in this section. Basically, I feel that you have applied a bit too soon since your last block from the ArbCom. Give it an year or two, without getting into trouble, and I shall be happy to support. — Yash!  23:23, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
24. Oppose - Sorry but I can't support someone who's been blocked for an entire year, We all fuck up but you have to have fuck up pretty badly to be blocked for a year, I get the block was 2 years ago but it just doesn't fill me with any confidence sorry. –Davey2010 00:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Being blocked for 1 year really does not require much misbehavior. The length of a block is whatever the administrator selects when the block is put in place. RF was given the "honor" of a block that actually would end after a year, in favor of the commonplace indef block that does not expire. The ArbCom gave the risible ultimatum to RF that he may continue editing Misplaced Pages, provided that he does not use technology. (Actually, it was automation that he was ordered to stop using.) The block was soon given by an administrator who found fault with RF allegedly using copy-and-paste to change some text before submitting it. It seems sensible to me for RF to have waited his 1 year block out instead of appealing. You might have noticed that ruffled feathers can stay ruffled around here for immensely long periods of time (as in years). The year off allowed some tensions to somewhat cool down before RF's return to editing. After the year, there would also be changes in the composition of ArbCom and the group of administrators who actively mop and politick. Italick (talk) 01:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    I get where you're coming from but surely you can see it does look bad having a years block, Maybe he did fuck up badly - Maybe he didn't but at the end of the day the block log isn't impressive and quite honestly I don't trust him with the tools but thanks for your reply anyway. –Davey2010 02:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Don't you think this seems a little un-thought-out? A blockee is entirely at the mercy of the blocker; if the latter chooses out of vindictiveness to give a huge block (i am not passing judgement here on the current candidate's log, simply pointing out the error in the argument), then you would not trust the blockee? Do you not think that some admins make bad mistakes, or act contrary to INVOLVED, or have a bee in the bonnet about particular users? You say "aybe he didn't", but you're judging him as though he did anyway? Cheers, Lindsay 09:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Some admins do make mistakes but I'm pretty damn sure 12 admins have not made mistakes, Look as I said above I don't trust him with the tools and the block log itself doesn't fill me with any confidence - You may support him but I don't, so there was no point in replying as I'm not going to change my mind .... –Davey2010 14:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    When you express an opinion, you should be prepared to have that opinion challenged. Don't snap at people who attempt to discuss your opinions with you. Alakzi (talk) 15:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Don't get me wrong I always expect someone to want to discuss my opinions and I'm always happy to discuss them but I don't get how challenging my oppose in this case helps?, I opposed per the block as well as the block log like everyone else here but noted anyway. –Davey2010 15:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

25. Oppose - I don't mean to pile on, but I'm not seeing any evidence that you can be trusted with the mop. It's too soon after your last block, and I fear that you'll get into similar levels of conflicts and get into a lengthy de-sysoping process again. You and a lot of other people seem to be on really bad terms, and considering that your ArbCom block ended a little over a year ago, some of these conflicts might influence your or their behavior in discussions. I'm not convinced yet that we can move past these disputes and that discussions you're involved in can be resolved fairly and without baggage. Unfortunately, we don't want that kind of environment. Give it a year or two more, and I would probably support. BenLinus1214 03:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Hi, I understand what you mean about the divisions potentially affecting decisions. But I didn't mean to suggest that RF was still on terrible terms with others in my comment to Davey2010. A whole other year has passed since the block that ended last year. The complete opposite of a dynamic where administrators are mutually contentious is groupthink. That wouldn't be better for content or fairer to editors. I find myself agreeing with Мандичка's observation that RF tried to be helpful in the wrong way, and he was not put on leave for "trolling, incivility or rudeness, inserting POV, sockpuppetry etc.". Italick (talk) 03:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

26. Oppose An administrator needs to set an example and harmonize with the community. The history of blocks is simply not acceptable for an admin. Chillum 04:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
27. Oppose - The past issues and blocks would be enough to oppose; however, Rich's attitude at this RFA is perhaps the most compelling reason behind my oppose !vote. The statements he has made at this RFA indicate that the lessons that should have been learned from past incidents have not been learned. The attitude regarding the last block is quite troubling. Rich has stated that he was given no time at Arbitration Enforcement to discuss the issue surrounding his last block; however, he made over 50 edits from when the enforcement request was opened until when it was closed, including a request for amendment to his ArbCom case; ample time was (over 12 hours) was given to respond to the enforcement request. I find the claims that there was no time to respond to be nothing more than a poor attempt at revising history, and the attitude Rich has taken in that attempt to revise history is, in my opinion, the most compelling reason to oppose this RFA. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
28. Anomie puts it well, unfortunately. For me to support Rich for adminship, I would need to be convinced that he has fully outgrown his past tendencies, which will take years. At this juncture, I feel that Rich Farmbrough has demonstrated a fundamental unsuitability for adminship, which means I cannot say with any confidence that I will one day support him. Kurtis 05:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
29. Oppose. While I am sometimes happy to forgive and forget, in this case too much has gone on to quell my internal disquiet.  Philg88  06:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
30. Oppose Someone with such a turbulent history just isn't right for this job. Rcsprinter (chinwag) @ 09:31, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
31. Oppose - Troublesome block log. Tiptoety 09:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
32. Oppose As noted by several others, I too have noticed a reluctance to listen to those who don't entirely agree with him (here is a recent example). I am not convinced he demonstrates sufficient care and judgement to fulfil an admin role at this time. Burninthruthesky (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC); inserted permalink 06:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

    I read the exchange on Misplaced Pages talk:Harassment and Rich's conduct comes across as civil and polite, even though he is disagreeing. If it was problematic, surely somebody would have called him out for it on thread? Indeed, I read "Warnings and blocks can be very distressing, and are certainly unwanted" and found myself thinking "couldn't agree more". Ritchie333 16:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    I would have preferred not to have to clarify my point three times. I wouldn't say that was "problematic", but neither would I say it was "exemplary" as expected from an admin.

    Also, comments like, "With the wording as it stands, messages from the Arbitration Committee constitute harassment to their victims, as they are both annoying and unwanted." don't inspire my confidence in a deep understanding of policies to be upheld. Burninthruthesky (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Since the "non-exemplary" matter you refer to will eventually be archived, I'm linking to this WP:Permalink version of it. Flyer22 (talk) 02:00, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

    Thank you. I have incorporated it into my original post. Burninthruthesky (talk) 06:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

33. Oppose per block log and general attitude on display at this RFA. --Laser brain (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
34. Oppose not convinced that they've learned lessons from previous blocks and arb case. Ed  05:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

Leaning oppose. I don't find that I trust RF after the ArbCom tumble. L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Moving to oppose. L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 02:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Elaborate? Dustin (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

1. Neutral because I don't want to pile-on. Jianhui67 04:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
2. Neutral for now, pending answers to questiosn and further responses from Rick. DES 04:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Neutral for now, leaning support because a) BMK is in opposition, and b) everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I'll wait for his answers before I make a firm decision. GregJackP Boomer! 04:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC) moved to support, GregJackP Boomer! 21:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

3. Neutral because I don't want to pile on. The history of sanctions is too long. If this editor went a few years without getting into another fracas, I could consider supporting. I feel this nomination should be withdrawn before it becomes too unpleasant, as it has no chance of succeeding. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
4. Neutral, leaning support I did some serious investigation here, of the user talk page and other sections. It appears to me that there was a pattern of problematic editing (violation of sanctions, the behaviours leading up to the ArbCom case itself, etc.) but that it stopped a while ago (summer of last year or so) based on the AE, AN, ANI and user talk page contents. There is certainly no doubt that Rich has done massive contributions to Misplaced Pages and is highly dedicated to the project. He also currently holds some permissions (template editor and edit filter manager) that require almost admin-level degrees of trust (since any misusage - either deliberate or by mistake - can cause large scale disruption). Finally, even if this RfA is successful the restrictions on automated editing don't magically become nonexistent or unenforceable, and most of the issues in the past had to do with these and not with admin tool usage. Still, given the long history of problems I'd recommend to wait a bit longer before requesting the mop back. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
5. Please appeal the ban first.--GZWDer (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

   Thank you for that suggestion. I have thought of appealing the arb case, however I would much rather work on the project. I am also somewhat cynical about the likely response. Nonetheless I recognise it is something I will probably have to do one day. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC).
   

   1. On the fence. You seem like a good editor, Rich, but I also see that you have gotten many blocks and a prohibition from using automation. I'll have to think about this awhile. Epic Genius (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC) moved to support. Epic Genius (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
6. Neutral, leaning support - I think Rich Farmbrough's block drama appears to be related to eagerness and thinking he is helping (with misplaced overconfidence he wouldn't get caught...) rather than trolling, incivility or rudeness, inserting POV, sockpuppetry etc. Ultimately he was trying to be helpful, though doing it the wrong way. Thus I don't agree with the personal attacks or statement that this is an "appalling" nomination. It was done in good faith and I don't see why RF can't conceivably one day be restored to admin. Maybe 2016. —Мандичка 😜 00:49, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
7. Neutral about this RfA which will almost certainly not succeed. But I do want to offer moral support to Rich. I read years of drama about Rich's problematic automated editing but don't recall commenting much about it myself, as others more knowledgeable than I were dealing with the matter. But since his return, I have found him to be friendly, helpful and committed to the encyclopedia. I see him helping out at the Teahouse often. Clearly, the job of administrator is not the best role for him right now, given the past, but I want to encourage him to continue on his current path as a productive editor in other areas in the future. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
8. Neutral Thank you Rich Farmbrough for answering my question. That's just about the longest answer I've ever seen to an optional question, so thank going to that length to explain. I believe the more prolific an editor an editor is the more controversial they become. I think there are very few us of, even on the outskirts, that aren't at least familiar with your name. While some of your past actions have given me much to think about, I haven't seen too many examples lately. It's a fine line between the actions of your past or your recent activity as to whether it defines you as an editor. I think there's just too much history to sort out that I couldn't make an informed decision and therefore remain in the neutral section. Mkdw 04:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

   I think you are correct that very few people will be able to make a "fully informed decision", there is simply too much data, and too many sprawling discussions. Indeed I have to check details myself. Thank you for giving the matter thoughtful consideration. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:49, 29 June 2015 (UTC).
   

9. Neutral, leaning support. In general, I think you'd be a thoughtful admin - as you once were. But even if the arbcom proceedings were a goddamned disaster, it's still clear that those findings hold a lot of sway among the community. The oppose section shows this. Your block log, however explained, is also a concern - enough so that you'll get opposes just for its length. So I think you'd be a fine admin that lacks the trust of a good portion of the community, and that's an unfortunately untenable position. Good luck to you. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 16:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
10. Neutral mainly per Mkdw. From what I've seen recently I would easily !vote support, however I'm just not knowledgeable enough about past events to trust myself to do so. Kharkiv07 (T) 20:46, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
11. Neutral I believe that bot operators and admins should be separate for separation of powers reasons. This is not a comment on the current candidate's competence to be an administrator, but a philosophical position, which is why this is a neutral and not a oppose. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    Hi. I don't want to say that RF is not a bot operator, only to be proven wrong. But I was under the impression that he could not be a bot operator while abiding his automation restriction. That strikes me as inconsistent. RF may very well have lost his interest in operating bots here after the unpleasantness with ArbCom. Why not formally pose the question of whether he desires to operate bots again, if his restriction should be rescinded? Italick (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

    FYI I asked this. —Мандичка 😜 22:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

12. Neutral, leaning oppose Ordinarily I consider a neutral vote in an RfA a wasted one, but not this time. I was all set to oppose, per WP:IDHT; Diannaa's support vote almost persuaded me to support too, but there's this re-arguing of the Arbcom case with no real insight into what got the community up in arms. I'd like to hear a hint of acceptance of responsibility, rather than a downplaying of the issues (which we're all privy to anyway). Miniapolis 22:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)