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Addition of Categories Section in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India and others

There should be a Categories section in the article Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geography of India, etc. With their respective category trees as their body. Please suggest, comment and vote on the topic.Prymshbmg (talk) 06:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Just a procedural note, an RfC should be used when there's something that's contentious and not resolved through usual discussions. This doesn't appear to be something like that, I'd suggest withdrawing this and just having a normal discussion. —SpacemanSpiff 07:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Now that you have withdrawn your RfC, I'm not even sure what you're trying to ask for here. If you think the cats should be linked from the project pages, they are already there along with the links to the multitude of other types of pages. —SpacemanSpiff 04:01, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@SpacemanSpiff: I want you to look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Civil engineering Categories section.Prymshbmg (talk) 07:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

And I am removing your warning as it is not a RfC anymore. And it doesn't relate to the discussion at all.Please Remove this statement by editing it after you have read it.Prymshbmg (talk) 07:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

DO NOT remove my postings on any talk page. This is becoming highly disruptive behavior. —SpacemanSpiff 08:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• I am requesting to close this discussion with no result as the discussion got off-tracked. and User:SpacemanSpiff has converted this noticeboard into his talk page.Prymshbmg (talk) 08:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Prymshbmg: you can just be bold and create a hierarchical list of all India project related categories in your userspace and then ask if the list can and should be included at WP:IND page. I am personally skeptical as to whether categories fall into a neat enough hierarchy to make a such a tree-listing feasible; and there are maintainability issues as categories are created, deleted and moved around. But then again, I don't work much in the category area, and this may be a solved problem. Also the list, if made, may be too large (several megabytes in size) to include in toto at WP:INB, in which case it may be better linked. But it is really hard to discuss these issues in the abstract and as with your Infobox for Indian States and UT RFC, I'd recommend that a concrete proposal be presented when starting a discussion/RfC. Abecedare (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: we do not need to create any list we just have to use <categorytree>India</categorytree> and <categorytree>WikiProject India</categorytree> in a new section of the page.Prymshbmg (talk) 14:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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more can be learned here Prymshbmg (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Personal attack

A new editor who knows the term "owning a page", meanwhile making personal attacks diff. Adminstrator-intervention would be welcome here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:57, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Caste system in India

Please join the discussion on the talk page of Caste system in India.Soham321 (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Kargil war

Request for comment on an serious RFC going at the talk page of Kargil war here ? Shrikanthv (talk) 09:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Nag Champa

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, Nag Champa. :) Please comment at the talk. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Siachen glacier

Currently RfC is going on Talk:Siachen Glacier#RfC: Should the infobox say that the glacier is disputed ? to decide does infobox of geographic article should say that "its disputed between India and Pakistan"? (Both India and Pakistan notice boards are informed by me} --Human3015 Call me maybe!! • 19:45, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Peer review and document improvement request

This is a Peer review request to seek broader input to improve page: meta:Help:Form I & Affidavit (Customised for relinquishment of copyright as per 'free cultural work' definition) an option available under (Indian) Copyright act 1957 rules.

Mahitgar (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

International Day of Yoga

Need pitures for the first International day of yoga and a logo for the infobox--Sukph (talk) 07:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project

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Vandaliism?

An anonymous editor User: 223.29.197.66 has been adding some relevant information at times and then has been fiddling with the information on such pages as Jadavpur (Vidhan Sabha constituency), Tollyganj (Vidhan Sabha constituency) and Jangipur (Lok Sabha constituency). His system is to add irrelevant information and delete it himself. He would make several such entries in a day, thereby fuzzing up the editing history part. In between he is indulging in vandalism. At times he also uses other user nos. As he is making a mess of things there is need to keep an watch on West Bengal Vidhan Sabha and Lok Sabha pages. - Chandan Guha (talk) 10:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Does this problem span a lot of pages or just these? —SpacemanSpiff 09:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion - local government

There is a discussion at Talk:Local self-government in India#Merge discussion about whether Panchayati raj (India) should be merged into Local self-government in India. --Bejnar (talk) 20:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

• Reposted, as there has as yet been no input from this project's members. --Bejnar (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism from India in the news

This IP's vandalism has hit the national news in India . Can people go to check all of his/her edits? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't anything new, this is just regular vandalism that was highlighted because of the NIC IP. The news piece seems to have attracted more such people to the JN article, so I've protected it for a week. The content was reverted on both articles I watch (JN and MN) quite quickly, and looks like you've taken care of GN. —SpacemanSpiff 09:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. The Nehru pages are being watched by plenty of us. I don't know about the older edits. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 09:16, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

All three now. Sigh. —SpacemanSpiff 09:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

As Spaceman Said, this is not a new meme on or off-wiki. See , , , etc. Parallel attempts to establish that Feroze Gandhi (and, hence Indira Gandhi and their descendents) was Muslim are even more common. Abecedare (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Vote for Tandoori Chicken

Article Tandoori Chicken has been nominated on Misplaced Pages:Today's articles for improvement/Nominations here. Kindly vote for Tandoori Chicken so that many people may work to improve that article, also more and more people will know about Tandoori Chicken. Thank you. --Human3015 knock knock • 22:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

This is canvassing, Human3015. It may seem trivial but you do need to be careful in how your word things because some people can get very upset about things like this, and sometimes they are right to be so. Please read WP:CANVASS. Not that I'm impartial to a reasonably decent Tandoori Chicken on the Curry Mile. - Sitush (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Sheesh, the Curry Mile article really needs to be improved! I've only just bothered looking at it after commenting above. - Sitush (talk) 00:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit-warring atTalk:Adi Shankara: my comments are being removed

Admin-intervention is highly welcome here. Someone edit-warring on the talkpage, because he wants separate headers, meanwhile removing my comments. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks] Abecedare. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Mohd. Shahnawaz Choudhary

Dear India experts: Here is a draft article about an Indian political activist. If this draft is accepted, what should the title be? Also, in the article, what is the surname of this person? I'd like to change the paragraphs to use just one name. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not very experienced with the AfC process, but what I have gathered from reading sources about Indian politics is that "Mohd." is an abbreviation for "Mohammed," a common enough name among Muslims in South Asia. I believe it does not carry any honorific connotations; therefore, it should be spelt out in full, or removed. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Anne Delong, he is state president of youth wing of major political party, I think he deserves article. As Vanamonde93 said name should be "Mohammad" not just "Mohd", or it can be removed. I made some minor changes in draft, linked some articles. But I wonder why this article waited for 2 years? It should have been created long before. If you have any more questions regarding this article you can ask me, I have special interest in Kashmir related topics. Thank you. --Human3015 knock knock • 19:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Vanamonde93 and Human3015. Most of the sources do not mention Mohammad, so I think I will not include it in the title.—Anne Delong (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Human3015, about why it took so long for the article to be added to the encyclopedia: It wasn't in such good shape at that time, and the editor who started it didn't come back to fix it up. Unfortunately there were 50,000 abandoned drafts, and when a group of us started checking through them to find ones worth improving, it took more than a year to check them because there were so many. Once we had them whittled down to 5,000 or so, that's still a lot of pages needing work. I had this one on my list, but didn't get around to it until now. Here are the ones I haven't got to yet; you may see one you'd like to work on: User:Anne Delong/Afc submissions for improvement —Anne Delong (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Anne Delong, oh! thats too much of work, you are doing some nice work. Frankly speaking I'm against this policy of AFC, people should create articles directly in main space, then new pages patroller can patrol it and curate that page properly, can nominate it for speedy deletion, at least this will save time of community and we will not get so much of pending work, All pages that I have created all of them directly in main space even when I was very new and not aware about Misplaced Pages policies much, but none of them is got deleted, so most of people create sensible articles and they should not waste time in AFC, and those who create blatant nonsense pages they get deleted soon. Anyway, I will find out drafts of my area interest and will help you. --Human3015 knock knock • 20:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Human3015, any help will be appreciated. About AfC: There are pros and cons to both ways. Most of these articles would have been deleted as unsourced BLPs or as too promotional if added to mainspace right away. The ones on my list have all been improved somewhat since they were first created. Also, brand new editors are not allowed to create new articles in mainspace for the first few days, so this is a way for them to contribute right away. The creation of Draft space has improved this a bit. The work of fixing them up is, of course, voluntary; they will just be quietly deleted if not edited for six months. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that was just my view, but I do support AfC, thanks for your explanation, AfC gives chance for articles to survive. --Human3015 knock knock • 20:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/Sasura Bada Paisawala

Dear India experts: Here is a draft article about a film that may be of interest. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Anne Delong, In 2013 "Aperson" declined this article stating that "subject is not notable", but it is highest grossing Bhojpuri film and its obviously notable. Though its stub currently but still this article deserves mainspace. --Human3015 knock knock • 07:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Human3015, the draft was declined because it lacked independent references, but since then I have added quite a few, so I am moving it to mainspace on your recommendation. Can you add some information in brackets as to what "₹ 40 crore" is? I have no idea if this is a lot of money. Thanks.—Anne Delong (talk) 11:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Anne, you can use "₹40 crore (US$4.7 million)" (using {{INRConvert}}), it's a lot simpler than bothering with calculations, and IMO should be used for all Indian numbering. —SpacemanSpiff 12:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Anne Delong I have searched a lot about this movie in Hindi and Marathi language newspapers, and I found various info, some sources says film released in 2003, some 2004, even 2005 and 2006. Even two sources currently in lead of article differ in release date, one says 2005 and other says 2004. So i'm confused about improving article. Some sources, as in Interview of lead actor Manoj Tiwari to one Hindi news he said film earned 50 Cr, while some sources say 34 cr. But one thing is sure that its highest grossing bhojpuri film. And Spaceman gave you convert rate. I will say what "cr" is, 40 cr rupees means 400000000 rupees, in million it will be 40 million Indian rupees. 1 cr=10 million. 1 million= 10 lakh. 28 Lakh=2.8 Million. (Also I found different figures for film budget).--Human3015 knock knock • 12:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, SpacemanSpiff and Human3015 for the conversion information. About the varying statistics: that's one of the reasons why interviews are not considered good sources: the interviewers just print whatever the interviewee says, without doing any fact checking. An actor isn't necessarily a film industry financial expert, and definitely isn't a neutral party, and likely didn't look up the information before the interview and is guessing, so I'd discount those figures. Also, actors have a vested interest in exaggerating the importance of their films. Another reason for the varying numbers for amount earned is that the articles were written at various times, and the film likely continued to be shown and tickets sold over several years. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Proposed Revision to WP:INDICSCRIPT language

Current version:

Indic scripts in lead

There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that IPA be used for help with pronunciation. For details, refer to this RfC: Native languages in lead. The closure of the RfC was clarified here and here.

Proposed version:

Indic scripts in lead sentence

There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that IPA be used for help with pronunciation. For details, refer to this RfC: Native languages in lead. The closure of the RfC was clarified here and here.

This guideline does not mean Indic script may not be included elsewhere in the lead, infobox, or in the main article, when such an inclusion respects Misplaced Pages's core content policies and guidelines such as verifiability, reliable source and no original research.

Reasons for proposed change:

• It is consistent with the original RfC and consensus, which was about "lead sentence". It only clarifies, and may prevent misunderstanding and recent inappropriate deletions of the Indic script from infobox and elsewhere.
• Misplaced Pages's consensus policy states, "Consensus refers to the primary way decisions are made on Misplaced Pages, and it is accepted as the best method to achieve our goals. Decision-making involves an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines." In other words, consensus cannot overrule fundamental policies that encourage content addition to articles, when such content is consistent with various wikipedia policies and guidelines.
• The RfC question behind the above consensus was never about an outright ban of Indic scripts from wikipedia, nor was the conclusion. The RfC question started with the concern that people were randomly inserting one or more regional scripts in the lead sentence, that were personal translations or vandalism. The RfC reached a consensus to stop such Indic script insertion and vandalism. Nothing more. One cannot extrapolate, or extend a consensus beyond the scope of the original RfC's intent, because the community never discussed it, nor can consensus overrule wikipedia's core content policies (for example, we can't hold an RfC and vote to make original research acceptable in India-related articles).
• Indic script can be useful in infobox and elsewhere in the article. When the use of Indic script is verifiable in reliable sources, its mention makes the term traceable to published literature, and to manuscripts. Numerous English wiki pages on Chinese, Japanese, Arabic and other language concepts/words include regional script for good reasons (See Four Noble Truths infobox, for example). Same good reasons apply for Indic scripts when it can be verified in reliable sources.
• Misplaced Pages/web search engines have their limitations given the keyboard layout inconsistencies worldwide. Thoughtful inclusion of Sanskrit etymological roots or text in wikipedia articles, when verifiable in reliable sources, is useful encyclopedic information. It is also consistent with wikipedia's Accessibility initiative, multilingual aims, ease of verifiability and wiki guideline pages on non-Latin scripts. This reads, "Articles on the English Misplaced Pages may contain words or texts written in different languages and scripts".

I welcome your comments and concerns for the above proposed WP:INDICSCRIPT version on the main page. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Nope. It looks like you actually do not understand the problems with using these scripts, even though they and proposed changes have been discussed at length and on multiple occasions. I'm not rehashing them all now but your proposal is an open invitation for people to game the system. - Sitush (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Would appreciate a few page links where the problems and proposed changes have been discussed. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Just search for "script", "scripts", "indicscript" in the archives for this talk page. You do realise that there are 26 or so official languages, don't you? Under your scheme, someone could write "Person A" (d.o.b. - d.o.d.) was the nth prime minister of India. Their name is also rendered as script1, script2, script3, script4 ... script26" (and some of those renditions would almost certainly be vandalised, which probably would not be spotted). - Sitush (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, there are numerous languages and scripts in India. Vandalism too is not new to wikipedia, with or without MOS and guidelines such as WP:INDICSCRIPT. I did search and read the archives on this issue. I failed to find a discussion about including an Indic script if and when the script is verifiable in a reliable source. Perhaps I missed. I would appreciate a link to the page, when you or someone can find time to hunt it down. We are in no hurry to resolve this. Do note that the current WP:INDICSCRIPT wording on the main page is only about "lead sentence". Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I have not read everything above, but I think that indic script should be allowed in lead. I see no harm in adding just one indic word in lead. --Human3015 knock knock • 15:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that it is often difficult to decide which scripts should and should not be included, and editors either edit-war over the issue, or we get a messy compromise in which 5/10/20+ scripts are included. I myself am no big fan of WP:INDICSCRIPT and have in the past proposed some exceptions, but that policy is like democracy: the worst form of government except all the others. Wouldn't recommend reopening the can of worms.

@Ms Sarah Welch: WP:V/WP:RS/WP:OR have never been the issue with including Indic scripts, since for notable subjects it is almost always possible to figure out how to spell out the name in any particular language. The issue has always been WP:DUE/WP:NPOV, which unfortunately is often a judgment call and leads to endless arguments. Check out the talk pages of India or Jana Gana Mana to see the type of problems that arise when trying to decide primary languages of interest; or, some classical Bollywood movie pages where it is often difficult to decide whether the movie is in Hindi, Urdu or Hindustani; or, worst of all, biographical articles where editors insist that a language and/or script be included based on the subject's community, parentage, languages spoken, mother tongue, language of work, region where they lived/worked, language of the best sources, language of followers etc. Abecedare (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I would also oppose the proposal, for the reasons given by Sitush and Abecedare. South Asia has several hundred languages and scripts. Which do we use? Allowing their use in the infobox is going to lead to clutter (because people insert every possible script) or an NPOV violation (because we are using only one of the possibilities). We should use the IPA, and where possible provide an audio pronunciation guide, but no more. If it were up to me, I would modify the language to explicitly forbid Indic scripts in either the lead or the infobox, but of course another RfC on this topic is likely more trouble than it's worth. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: I empathize with your experience and frustration. My proposal is not triggered or motivated by "Person A" articles and similar India-related notable subjects. My proposal is predominantly motivated by Sanskrit-related and Indian philosophy-related articles. There, a Sanskrit script for a philosophical concept is just a statement of fact if and when it is verifiable in a reliable source. There, it is not WP:NPOV issue because there aren't multiple sides and NPOV presumes more than one POV. As explained above, I see addition of Indic script when verifiable in a reliable source, to be consistent with wiki's overall policies and wiki's policy on consensus.

Perhaps, a solution is to be found in more clearly defining the scope of India-related topics where WP:INDICSCRIPT applies, and where it doesn't. Indian philosophy and practices such as Yoga has presence, and wide interest, outside India. Hindu philosophy and history has been found outside India, such as in southeast Asia in past and Bali Indonesia currently.

Democracy (majority votes) should not overrule the Constitution (core policies), outside or inside wikipedia. We wouldn't need the Supreme Court or the wiki's Arb committee / Admins, were votes to decide everything. It would be a tragedy if "original research" becomes acceptable in wiki articles after an RfC and majority consensus because that was democratic. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

And people with experience are telling you that you are re-hashing old arguments and proposing the same poor remedy. The very fact that you are already wikilawyering and you have a narrow sphere of interest is not helpful. INDICSCRIPT is the best of a bad lot. Live with it. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. - Sitush (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

The previous conclusion at WP:INDICSCRIPT was not a good summary of the discussion, and indic scripts for the topic name are useful (esp. geographical), and they are appropriate in the infobox. --Bejnar (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Sigh. Placenames are already an exception - it just didn't get recorded. You can use scripts for placenames provided you only use those that are verifiably the official language(s) for the place. If this proposal goes to a new RfC then we're going to see a shedload of trouble again, especially from the Hindutva-sympathising contributors. We've got enough problems without travelling down that road yet again. - Sitush (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: which wiki page lists and explains the exception(s)? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, it wasn't added to the INB MOS. You'll have to search for it in the archives as noted above, sorry. Or just accept that I know what I'm talking about in that regard ;) I'm not aware of any other exceptions: the idea was to keep things tight, not provide lots of loopholes. - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)While I'm all for enhancing our literature articles etc, we do allow IAST and ITRANS in Sanskrit etc. In films Pather Panchali a recent FA done after the INDICSCRIPT consensus was formed does not include Bengali despite being one of the masterpieces of Bengali cinema and the world hasn't crumbled. For a long time I held the opinion that the indic scripts would add value to Mahabharata or Ramayana (both have Devanagari included now) but I've come to the opinion that it might add value to editors but not to readers. Both these had changes to Devanagari multiple times and had gone without reverts for long, in addition to every other regional language creeping into the lede making it an unfathomable mess. The script adds value for editors to aid in their search for sources etc and that can be resolved with a talk page banner listing out scripts. Again, in some aspects we ought to exhibit common sense and that's already done, Jana Gana Mana being a prime example for that.—SpacemanSpiff 17:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

(after ec; loss of session data; off-line distractions etc) Sarah, the current consensus, or at least practice, is not to apply WP:INDICSCRIPTS to articles primarily falling under the Hinduism project since, as you point out, in that area the primary language (often Sanskrit) is usually not a contentious issue. I recall this being discusses at User_talk:Redtigerxyz and some other places, although I don't know if there is a formal discussion anywhere. The boundary between Hinduism- and India-related articles is somewhat fuzzy, and even on Hinduism related pages, the approach can sometimes lead to a mess (see Ravana), but that can be dealt with on a case by case basis based on discussion and common sense.

The reason I and some others are objecting to changing WP:INDICSCRIPTS as you originally proposed is due to the unintended consequences of the ambiguity/loophole the changes create, which will effect tens of thousands of articles and suck up a humungous amount of editor time. In practice, the approach I personally follow is to apply WP:INDICSCRIPT strictly to non-historical bios and any page where inclusion of scripts is becoming an issue, and allow some flexibility elsewhere as long as the issue is not being gamed; leading to distracting edit-wars; or, degradation of article content (that is the reason I have sometimes advised editors not to apply INDICSCIPTS blindly in mass edits using AWB or bot). Such a approach is of course hard to formalize into policy although I have seen other project regulars practice it tacitly. :) Abecedare (talk) 17:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: That was a very helpful summary. Thank you. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Break an organised WP:TAGTEAM

Organized Tag Team working in India-Pakistan related discussions and Edit War

Evidence of Tag teaming for a long long time

Butcher of Gujarat two nominations

• RFD, First nomination 2014 November 23, Butcher of Gujarat: note the delete team was mostly different but keep team once again had Mar4d, TopGun, Samee, Faizan

• RFD second nomination May 21 Butcher of Gujarat; Mar4d, TopGun, Samee, Faizan

Those who were typing delete , they were mostly different editors, but those who were typing keep were almost the same in both cases. Is this plain co-incidence?

Other instances

1-- Proposed merge with Rape in India 26 November 2014,Mar4d, TopGun, Samee(with old signature), Faizan, 2-- Indian subcontinent 21 April 2015 Edit War

Human3015 blocked for violating 3 revert rule Mar4d and TopGun acts as a tag team and escapes the 3-revert rule. 1, 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.

3-- User:Mar4d reported by User:82.11.33.86 21 June 2015; Mar4d, TopGun, Faizan

4--Gulf War- 1 revert rule

1st edit,

revert by IP,

1st revert by Faizan,

2nd revert by IP,

1st revert by tag team member Mar4d as Faizan can't break the one revert rule, the IP didn't know that and got blocked

Uninvolved editor's view about this tag team harassment

Same editor's view about this tag team incidents where they were targeting this IP

5--Talk:Balochistan 20 June 2015 TopGun, Mar4d , Faizan

6--Talk:Kargil War What is the correct outcome of the Kargil War? 21 June 2015 TopGun, Faizan, Mar4d

7--Motion, warning rescinded 24 November 2014 Mar4d, TopGun, Faizan

8--Azad Kashmir 21 August 2013 Mar4d and TopGun

9--Right to exist Mar4d, TopGun and nangparbat created Pakistan section

Talk page edits

Check the number of edits:

• edits by User:Mar4d on User talk:TopGun

• edits by User:TopGun on User talk:Mar4d

ANI Redirect comment by TopGun " the edit is restoring CSD template that was declined byme as a third editor."

10 June 2012 Statement by Mar4d "Oppose for TopGun TopGun has never violated his IBAN, even once. This ban serves no purpose. On the other hand, Darkness Shine's treatment of the IBAN has been suboptimal; consult his block log for proof. The only person who should be scrutinized is Darkness Shines. Mar4d (talk) 04:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC)"

• edits by User:Faizan on User talk:Mar4d

• edits by User:Mar4d on User talk:Faizan

• edits by User:TopGun on User talk:Faizan

• one edit but its you have got mail

• extra tag team member added

• TripWire joins the club

TopGun

mentality to above discussion

Mar4d

removing reliable reference

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• Topgun and Mar4d

1--Kashmir , TopGun, Mar4d

2--Indians in Afghanistan TopGun, Mar4d

3--Inter-Services Intelligence TopGun, Mar4d

Clean block log after 2012

Previously Mar4d and TopGun used to get regularly blocked for edit Warring and violating 3-revert rule. This stopped after 2012.

block log of TopGun

block log of Mar4d

conclusion

Once or twice may be a coincidence but their presence in so many discussions together can't be a plain co-incidence. Obviously they are acting as a tag team to push their POV. They will revert edits which doesn't suit their POV; it doesn't matter whether the editor had reliable sources or not. So many times they have removed edits which quoted from academic books. Due to their experience, they are getting away with it. They know when to stop and when to continue.

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