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| :I'm afraid you need to convince the entire academic community for this. For example G. Kretsi (also a famous Albannologists) states that: The Albanian-speaking Christian population in Thesprotia are known as "Arbanits" and are very rarely characterized as "Christian Chams". ], a fact you are eager to add on the first line in Souliotes. Misplaced Pages isn't the place to declare war against a well established bibliography.] (]) 11:49, 22 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| The name ''Cham'', together with that of the region, ''Chameria'', is from an extinct local Slavic *''čamŭ'', itself from the local Greek ] '']'' (Θύαμις in Greek, ''Kalamas'' in Albanian).<ref>Vladimir Orel, ''Albanian Etymological Dictionary'', s.v. "çam" (Leiden: Brill, 1998), 49-50.</ref> A ] attributes the name to Turkish ''cami'' (Greek ''tzami''), literally, 'mosque-goer, mosque attendee' which presumably was used by Orthodox Christians for the descendents of Muslim converts. However, this is unlikely since the word's broader ethnographic and dialectal sense encompasses the entire Albanian-speaking population of the ] and ]s of Greek Epirus, both the Muslim and Christian populations.ref name = Xhufi -----Source en.Misplaced Pages.org (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Cham_Albanians ) | |||
| My second reference : <ref>ref name = ethnologist>Laurie Kain Hart. American Ethnologist, Vol. 26, No. 1 (Feb., 1999), pp. 196-220. Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of the American Anthropological Association "Finlay's late 19th century impression gives some impressions of the social complexity of social categories in this area. To begin with, the Souliotes (celebrated by Byron and in Greek national history for their role in the liberation of Greece) were a "branch of the Tchamides, one of the three great divisions of the Tosks" (Finlay 1939:42)-in other words they initially spoke Albanian... the question of a national identity can hardly be applied here"</ref> | |||
| I have more references than your and I have Finley's reference who wasn't greek or albanian.] (]) 12:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Also If you read your references carefully ,it means that greek local populations call muslim chams as "turks" and christian chams as "arbanits" .But muslim chams are albanian and not turk so your references are based on greek nationalism ,not in facts.Greek locals might characterize albanians as " mongols ,chinese or german " but this doesn't mean that albanians are "a warlike community " or a | |||
| " mongol,chinese or german community" (I'm taking them just as examples).Anyways I have more references and I have even a reference like Finlay who is NEUTRAL and was a TEMPORARY. ,Laurie Kain Hart (the ethnologist ,American Ethnologist (Published by),American Anthropological Association (Published on behalf of ).] (]) 18:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| == Orthodox Albanian speakers and numbers == | |||
| Hi Rolandi | |||
| Regarding your edits on the matter, i would say that best not to continue. Not that i disagree, but because they are hard to substantiate. Many Orthodox Albanian speakers consider themselves as Greeks. Whether one puts it down to Greek government polices or views that Greek society has held regarding people of a Albanian ethno-cultural heritage is another matter. The point is that one we will never know their 'correct number' and two its most likely that the remaining Albanian speakers (at least those of southern and central Greece) will completely disappear in the next few decades. So going on about numbers becomes a pointless issue. But on a personal note, I have come across many of them here in Melbourne Australia. They have said many things in a frank manner that tallies up with the research of scholars to me regarding their views of Albanians. They said them because mistook me for someone not of the area as i look like someone who could be from the Nordic countries. They have always been surprised after i tell them that i am an Albanian and a southerner (a Tosk). Often their reaction has often been you a "Tourkos" or "Tourko-Alvanos" and other negative comments (and that's putting it politely). Such are the views within this community even here in Australia. Its the same thing even in Albania. A sizable part of the Albanian Orthodox community no longer wants to be Albanian today and they genuinely regard themselves as ''Greeks'' even from experience being with them,(even in the peer reviewed literature it becoming more apparent). Next Albanian census is going to be quite daunting for those who still adhere (mainly Catholics and Muslims) to a Rilindja version of Albanian identity (going beyond religious differences). I hope i have not offended you, especially if you are from an Orthodox Albanian speaking background, but that is the state of things. | |||
| Albanian identity is becoming the preserve of mainly the Albanian speakers with a socio-cultural Catholic and Muslim (whether secular, conservative or atheist) background.] (]) 12:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Ronaldi | |||
| The issue with Omari's numbers is that he gives 350, 000. Most of the population of Greek Epirus is roughly that. Omari is basically inferring that all of those people are either Albanian speakers or espouse an Albanian identity. That is a big issue considering that even today the EU Euromosaic (see the Cham Albanians article - cited in there) source says Albanian speakers are found in mainly Thesprotia (which has a population of around 50,000) Preveza province, a little more and a few villages near Thepsrotia province within Ioannina province. Taking that to account, those number that Omari gives is problematic. Its why i said to take Omari with caution. Vickers gives a rough population of 40, 000 for current day numbers. Hope that helps. ] (]) 07:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, I was actually editing so I thought to add the references after I finished my edits.My reference here is <ref>J.W. Martin (1993) : “The Samurai Crab “ .pg 30-34.</ref>. ] (]) 19:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC) | Hi, I was actually editing so I thought to add the references after I finished my edits.My reference here is <ref>J.W. Martin (1993) : “The Samurai Crab “ .pg 30-34.</ref>. ] (]) 19:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Thank you again!At the moment I don't have any question ,but maybe I will need some help in the future.....so thank you again! Rolandi+ (talk) 15:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm Yamaguchi先生. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Heikegani, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Yamaguchi先生 19:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I was actually editing so I thought to add the references after I finished my edits.My reference here is . Rolandi+ (talk) 19:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Source misinterpretation
Hi,
With this edit (diff) you inserted the quote:
- "Today scholars see Dacians as ancestors of the modern Rumanians and Vlachs and the Illyrians as the proto-Albanians."
The source says:
- "Traditionally scholars have seen the Dacians as ancestors of the modern Rumanians and Vlachs and the Illyrians as the proto-Albanians." - Fine, John Van Antwerp (1991). The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century. University of Michigan Press. p. 10. ISBN 0-472-08149-7.
Furthermore the author explains that this traditional view is today challenged and explains that there are valid linguistic arguments "serious, nonchauvinistic" that Albanians came to Balkans from what is now Romania because it was also affected by large-scale invasion of Goths and Slavs in 4th-6th century.
It is obvious that author does not say that he or scholars today support Albanian-Illyrian hipotesis. On the contrary, he explains that it has been misused in Albanian nationalistic myth building with expansionistic purposes.
Please urgently revert your edit based on blatant misinterpretation of the source.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:23, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Falsification of sources
I see that you have been told this ], but I will try to explain again: Your edit states that "Today scholars see Dacians as ancestors..." when the source says "Traditionally scholars have seen the Dacians as ancestors...", continuing to show that this view has been seriously challenged. Your statement is actually contradicted by the source. If you do not change this yourself, your edit will be seen as a sign that you are pushing your own point of view, and you will inevitably be blocked. --T*U (talk) 23:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Go,read what that part of article says and then come and talk to me.It says that "According to one of the origin theories Vlachs originated from latinized Dacians".This means that it is a theory and it's normal to be challenged.It is not a POV .However I will change the reference citation as it has been an error.Also there has been a discussion at the article's talk page.So instead of warning me about your imaginary possible blocks ,go and participate at the discussion. Rolandi+ (talk) 05:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- J.W. Martin (1993) : “The Samurai Crab “ .pg 30-34.