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	Justin Bieber was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Belieber was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 03 June 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Justin Bieber. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Text and/or other creative content from Justin Bieber on Twitter was copied or moved into Justin Bieber with this edit on 27 April 2012. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Change to infobox

I have reverted the change to the infobox as this version gives completely undue emphasis to his crimes. I do not think any mention of them should go in the infobox as Bieber's entire notability comes from his occupation as a musician. --NeilN 23:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE does not deal with verifiably sourced facts but minority viewpoints. He is very notorious as a musician who repeatedly assaults people and commits other crimes. Your reversion also deleted a recent guilty plea in a 2014 assault case and some validly sourced categories. Jesse Viviano (talk) 01:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Not strictly, but WP:NPOV does require balance. It is unbalanced when his musical career gets about a third of the column space in the infobox that his criminal convictions do—it gives disproportional coverage (or undue weight, in all lowercase letters and common meaning) to the convictions. —C.Fred (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Latest edits to the Personal life section

The JLanex (talk · contribs) account initially made this, this, this, this and this edit to the article. Instead of reverting all of those edits, I reverted a few, as seen here.

• I changed "Bieber identifies himself as a faithful adherent of Christianity and has said he communicates with God, via prayer, and that 'he's the reason I'm here'." to "Bieber identifies himself as a faithful adherent of Christianity, said he communicates with God via prayer, and that 'he's the reason I'm here'." because I saw no need to include "and has."

• I changed "Regarding sexuality, he told the music magazine, Rolling Stone, in 2010 that, 'I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them.'" to "Regarding sexual abstinence, he told music magazine Rolling Stone, 'I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them.'" because there was no need to alter "sexual abstinence" to "sexuality." And the "Rolling Stone" part flows better without the commas and use of "in 2010." It should simply be "music magazine Rolling Stone," not "the music magazine, Rolling Stone." Consider if we were stating that Bieber guest starred on The 100. It should be "Bieber guest starred on the television show The 100.", not "Bieber guest starred on the television show, The 100." The comma should not be there.

• I changed "He has had a temporary romantic relationship with the Latino-American actress and singer, Selena Gomez, in December 2010." to "In December 2010, he was in a relationship with Selena Gomez." because what is the need to state here in Bieber's article that Gomez is a Latino-American actress and singer? Or to describe the relationship as "a temporary romantic relationship"? The text also flows better with "In December 2010" coming first.

• I changed "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in a edition in the Rolling Stone that he 'split with Justin's mom when he was a toddler, and wasn't always around afterward. But he has, as of late, accepted a place of honor in his superstar son's entourage.'" to "Bieber's father, Jeremy Bieber, is a former carpenter and pro-am mixed martial artist. In March 2014, Rolling Stone characterized Jeremy as having 'split with Justin's mom when Justin was a toddler, and wasn't always around afterward. But he has, as of late, accepted a place of honor in his superstar son's entourage.'" because, well, my version flows better; it has no typos, is more grammatically correct with regard to "that he" part, and it restored the Rolling Stone source that JLanex removed; I also meant to change "Jeremy Bieber" to just "Jeremy." I don't care if the "former carpenter and pro-am mixed martial artist" part stays or goes.

JLanex brought this to my talk page, and I brought it here. Also, regarding JLanex's first edit to the article, many editors would disagree that new paragraphs should not begin with "Bieber" in that case. See, for example, this edit showing Melcous reverting WP:Sock February Jones (talk · contribs). Flyer22 (talk) 00:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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