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cougar: slang: an older woman pursuing or dating a younger man.

Mentioned on The Late Show with David Letterman on 7/13/06.

Wow, Dave's using Misplaced Pages as an information resource now? 24.91.211.93 04:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think he read this whole Misplaced Pages article verbatim on the air. Michael Hardy 00:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

He did, but stopped after the "started in Canada, spread to US" part. --TheTruthiness 06:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

No, he did not. I remember his saying "carnal activities". Michael Hardy 18:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Twilight cougars

• If you Google "Twilight Cougars" you will find fan fiction, some of an adult nature and a variety of forums. There is a huge cougar mom fanbase as they seem to call themselves. I have added some info and refs to get people started but it needs expanding I think. I had no idea what a cougar mom was 24 hours ago but it looks to me like it's a middle aged women who watches twilight lol. Anyway there are far too many articles about this phenomena for me to read and summarise so I don't have the time to do this new section justice so I hope someone else will :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottonsocks (talk • contribs) 02:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Despite the sources, I'm not exactly sure why that section is even necessary. It suggests that Twilight is the only medium that has cougar interest. If there were more examples BESIDES Twilight, maybe. Erpert 18:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
    • I removed the entire section. I agree it's not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Maybe ED. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Graduate?

Single man? He's her daughter's boyfriend. --50.197.137.1 (talk) 17:52, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it. And keep in mind that you can be WP:Bold when it comes to editing Misplaced Pages articles. I also made this tweak to the line. Flyer22 (talk) 02:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

An encyclopedia entry can go no further back than 1967 and a movie to prove that the concept of an older woman seeking a younger man existed before a latter-day slang term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.33.145 (talk) 00:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, it's ridiculous to suggest this concept only goes back as far as 1961, slang or no slang. Let's be real, I'm sure such a relationship has first occurred not long after the dawn of man, and there hasn't been any period of time since where it wasn't happening somewhere, it's only natural. 66.208.24.98 (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Update/Note: The Jolly Bard altered the material. Flyer22 (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Does this sentence sound right to you?

"However, the term can also refer to any female who has a male partner much younger than herself, regardless of age or age difference." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.21.73.12 (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect and/or improper usage of commas

I reverted Cebr1979 on poor grammar, as seen with this edit. He reverted me only to realize that I was clearly correct on one instance. What Cebr1979 fails to realize is that I was correct on more than one instance, despite his insult, which, given his reputation, is not surprising. That he decided to WP:Edit war is also not surprising, given his reputation. As seen with this edit, I reverted him again, citing a discussion that is similar to this matter (one at Talk:Justin Bieber). Cebr1979 reverted again, with another insult typical of his style.

At Talk:Justin Bieber, I stated, "It should simply be 'music magazine Rolling Stone,' not 'the music magazine, Rolling Stone.' Consider if we were stating that Bieber guest starred on The 100. It should be 'Bieber guest starred on the television show The 100.', not 'Bieber guest starred on the television show, The 100.' The comma should not be there." Similarly, Cebr1979 has added commas between Cougar Club and Cougar Town, so that it reads as "The 2007 film, Cougar Club " and "The 2009 sitcom, Cougar Town ." The commas should not be there; it should simply be "The 2007 film Cougar Club" and "The 2009 sitcom Cougar Town." If the word the was an "a," then commas would be fine there.

I will contact WP:Grammar to weigh in on this matter. Flyer22 (talk) 09:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

HAHAhahahAHAHAHahahahahAHAhahahaha! You wanna talk about reputations for edit warring? Given your two blocks for it, yours is crap. You should consider giving up your "grammar lessons" because you're not qualified to give them. You clearly know nothing about commas. As I pointed out on your talk page, your own example of "Bieber's father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in..." is EXACTLY the same as, "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to..." so stop taking out correct commas. Have a good day (though, given your reputation, you probably won't).Cebr1979 (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, could you be any more immature? I was blocked once for WP:Edit warring. And that block was overturned because it was an invalid block, which is why my block log for that matter states "uneccessary block, will comment at ANI," by The ed17. And all my other blocks were misunderstandings, except for the one where I was blocked to protect my account since it was WP:Compromised, as is clear at User talk:Flyer22/Archive 10/Block cases. If you are going to read/report on a person's block log, then actually comprehend it and report on it accurately. And, no, "Bieber's father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in..." is NOT EXACTLY the same as "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to...". We will see what, if anything, WP:Grammar has to state on this matter (the grammar matter, of course). Flyer22 (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Just noting here that Flyer is 100% correct. Ed  19:14, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Does your immaturity really require so many different conversations about the same thing? On your talk page, I already told you to stop pinging me. I've had enough of your "Godly" status for one evening.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, yes, we had an exchange of words at my talk page.

Going back to the commas you added, I wouldn't state that they are definitely incorrect (well, except for the one we both agreed on as incorrect). I note on my user page that grammar is not my expertise (not even close to it). But I also don't think that the commas you added are needed. Flyer22 (talk) 10:23, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

So... it's not your "expertise (not even close to it)" but, you're dishing out "lessons" and reverting other editors over something you're aware you probably are not right on? You revert based on "maybes" and "I thinks?" That's really weird. Like... you should probably consider knowing what you're talking about before you going making a big deal about something you're "not even close to" knowing about. I would have thought that would simply be comma-n sense! LolCebr1979 (talk) 10:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Your edits initially included an obviously incorrect comma usage; I know enough about commas to know that. I also know that none of the commas you added (except for this one) are needed. And because I am certain of that, I reverted you...twice. Since you cannot discuss anything without being hot-headed, I suggest you wait and see if others will weigh in on this grammar matter. Flyer22 (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Should you ever require assistance in a field that is obviously not your expertise, feel free to message for help. I may choose to get back to you.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:45, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: Another editor, Crywalt (talk · contribs), has also addressed Cebr1979 on his comma usage; it concerns an unrelated matter, though. See here. Flyer22 (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I also queried editors at WP:Manual of Style about weighing in on this matter, especially since Crywalt cited that guideline when talking to Cebr1979. Flyer22 (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yep! There's also here where another editor called me out on it too. I school many non-experts on proper punctuation. It happened on a Walking Dead-related article too but, I can't remember which one. My apologies.Cebr1979 (talk) 12:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Jarold Blythe reverted Cebr1979, stating, "more than one film was made in 2007 (etc.)" That rationale is also why I reverted Cebr1979. But, Jarold Blythe, how did you, as a very new account, find this dispute so soon? I immediately considered that you are one of my stalker WP:Socks, especially having turned up here at a rather obscure article and with the way you sign your username with "Cheers," right before the signature. But I see that you are discussing a block matter. The point is that I immediately recognized you as non-new, and I found it odd that you would revert Cebr1979 without commenting on this talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 19:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Not everything needs to be discussed at length. A helpful edit summary, with the assumption of good faith, often suffices. Cheers, Jarold (talk) 19:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Jarold, in this case, since Cebr1979 is convinced that he is correct about his grammar usage and is prone to revert because of it here and/or at different articles, discussion is important. Otherwise, I would not have contacted two different pages (noted above) about weighing in on this matter. I'll keep note of your silence on the other aspect I queried regarding you. Flyer22 (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

The commas in a reality show called, '']''. The 2009 sitcom, '']'', originally explored ... are wrong . The use in the second case could be correct, if this read something like a reality show called '']'', which inspired a later sitcom. The 2009 sitcom, '']'', originally explored ....  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  22:21, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in, SMcCandlish. Flyer22 (talk) 22:24, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

JaroldBlythe is no more correct than Flyer22... especially when it comes to him taking the last comma out of, "The cougar concept has been used in television shows, advertising, and film." Oh, well. You guys can keep your slang page wrong, wrong, and wrong. I'm actually getting a kick out of just how much you don't know English as an "expertise" yet, feel like scholars when it means you get to make someone else wrong. The rationale you're using is just excellent. Have a good one, all!Cebr1979 (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Whether to use the "serial comma" a.k.a. "Oxford comma" between the last and next-to-last items in a list is a matter of variable real-world usage and off-WP style guide advice. MOS notes this itself. Its use is not required on WP. Even being an American, I prefer it, because it's a more precise usage, but omitting it isn't "wrong", in terms of linguistic description or the kind of prescriptive grammar that comes from MOS or other style guides, unless omitting it results in an ambiguity.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  02:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I have an excercise for you all: Which one of these sentences is correct?

• Flyer 22 is having dinner with his parents, Wonder Woman and Superman.
  • -OR-
• Flyer22 is having dinner with his parents, Wonder Woman, and Superman.

Cebr1979 (talk) 23:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Depends on the intended meaning. Both sentences can mean he's having dinner with four people (depending on whether your dialect tolerates loss of the serial comma or not; in ones that don't, the first example is very ambiguous; the second one also ambiguous, regardless of dialect, but less so). Instead of misguided punditry about what is or isn't correct comma use, the smart thing to do is never use such a construction. If four people are intended, use (for example) "Flyer22 is having dinner with his parents and with Wonder Woman and Superman". If two guest are intended, you can use "Flyer22 is having dinner with his parents (Wonder Woman and Superman)". None of this seems to relate to this article, however.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  02:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

It does relate to this article. So... is the term "cougar" used in both advertising and films or is it only used in advertising related to films?Cebr1979 (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

What does that have to do with the commas issue? I'm personally skeptical that "Cougar" in Cougar Town refers to this concept; of the three women in the show, two are married to men their own age and not chasing after young men, and the other is a young woman dating the son of one of the others. It may be a reference to Florida cougar a.k.a Florida panther; the show takes place in Florida, where the animal is something of a state cause celebre. But that doesn't relate to commas either. I see at least three different things being discussed in this thread (four if you count all the personal sniping).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  03:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  02:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I was referring to the final comma being removed from this sentence: "The cougar concept has been used in television shows, advertising and film."Cebr1979 (talk) 02:51, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Well, that's the serial comma. It's optional. See MOS:COMMA. Nothing about that construction, with or without the serial comma, implies anything about "advertising related to film".  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  03:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Update: I added the serial comma in there, since it's easier to parse as "television shows, advertising, and film".  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  03:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

To follow up, New Yorker editor Mary Norris, via Twitter, later agreed with Cebr1979 on the comma we were discussing. So I'm going to say he was right and I was wrong, although in my defense it's a bit of an edge case. I still think there are far too many commas on Misplaced Pages generally and I think it's almost always safe to just chuck them. :) Crywalt (talk) 00:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

As with everything, context is crucial. There are actually thousands of missing commas that need to be added (e.g. after "however", "therefore", etc.), in addition to grammatically wrong ones that need to be removed, and unhelpful ones that aren't wrong but just poor writing style, that can optionally be removed. It takes a lot of writing experience and education/training in grammar and usage to get all three of those cases correct (plus an understanding of both dialectal and register distinctions in usage). I'll leave it to the reader to decide whether there's evidence of a marked lack of these things in this discussion, on multiple sides. Anyway, if you go around randomly deleting commas, you'll probably get WP:ANI'd and have your editing restricted for being disruptive.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  02:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

: Cebr1979, considering some of the above and what Bruiserid taught you about grammar, which is something I already knew about using correct grammar, I think it's clear that you should be more careful with your grammar "corrections." Also, I'm female. But anyway, I'm done responding to you on grammatical changes...until the next time I "have to" revert your grammar changes. Given the dripping hostility that is always there when you debate, it's hardly ever worth it to discuss matters with you. Flyer22 (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Given how wrong you are most of the time when it comes to comma usage, Flyer, I think it would be best if you looked up this Mary Norris person before "correcting" something you are "not even close to" being an "expert" on.Cebr1979 (talk) 01:08, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and I taught more to Bruiser than he taught to me. Learn how to do your homework better. Learn commas first, please, but I would recommend adding homework to your list too. Have a good one.Cebr1979 (talk) 01:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bruiserid, feel free to give your opinion on one or more of these aspects when you get a good chance to. Because Cebr1979's involved, I can understand why you wouldn't want to comment. In addition to getting grammar matters wrong, my sex/gender wrong, he also seems to think that I get comma usage wrong most of the time (as if he follows me/spots me often enough to know). To me, comma usage is generally easy. And it is but one aspect of grammar usage, after all. So I can only imagine what he's gotten wrong with regard to his comments on you and others, and during his discussions with you all. If I was interested in reading all of that, I would read it. Flyer22 (talk) 02:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bruiser and I left things on good terms, Flyer. In fact, we never even argued. We simply discussed like adults. So, in addition to doing your homework properly, how about you don't go posting ignorant assumptions?Cebr1979 (talk) 02:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

You should probably stop "imagining" too... LolCebr1979 (talk) 02:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

"You should probably" is you "imagining" what the other party should do. See WP:KETTLE. The personality dispute you two are having isn't helping improve this article and belongs in user talk (or st a noticeboard, if either of you think you have some big user-conduct case to pursue).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  03:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Never mind; a block has already ensued.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  03:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

(←) Responding to Flyer22's earlier point about Jarold Blythe, I can't say whether he's one of your stalkers, but he is currently the subject of an SPI and has been reblocked as a sockpuppet.

As for the comma issue, I agree with the various other posters that the one after the word "called" needed to be removed. The other commas are optional, at least based on some grammar variants, and there was really no need for JB to remove them, but I also see no pressing need to restore them. – Robin Hood  19:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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