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::::{{tps}} Of course if the article ever gets into decent enough shape, there's no reason why it shouldn't be re-nominated for GA. ] (]) 16:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC) ::::{{tps}} Of course if the article ever gets into decent enough shape, there's no reason why it shouldn't be re-nominated for GA. ] (]) 16:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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Cochrane Collaboration meeting in Vienna, October 1st

Hi Doc James,

I 've heard you might be able to visit the Cochrane Collaboration meeting in Vienna. Somebody (User:FloNight?) reserved some time for a wikipedian pre-colloquium . We've skyped with FloNight about this recently, and several people would like to attend, but we need some details. Are you, or ia FloNight planning to give a speech, a workshop, or anything else? Do you want us to prepare something? What will be our objective? Please answer on our wikiproject's subpage, English is OK. - Or, if I'm completely wrong, please forward this to whom it may concern. Regards, --MBq (talk) 08:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks User:MBq yes I will be there. FloNight is the one leading efforts. Will let her provide further details. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
I replied on the wikiproject's subpage. Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 18:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Bravo

…on the welcome and directions given to new users. You are gentler than I would be, but that is why you are so accomplished here. I will write more with regard to possible additions and clarifications to your message, but I do think making an included, overt statement about "no doses" near the top of the list is important, also stating that toxicity and contraindication content should always appear in ledes of dangerous agents (often, only efficacies appear, esp. in cases of recreationally used substances). Otherwise, some direction on identifying quality sources—a phrase on how to pick a good textbook, e.g., "text should be up-to-date (within last 5 years), and be widely used by medical schools and research universities"—might also be helpful. Cheers, more later. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes I remove dosing info when I find it. Is not a super common problem though thankfully. Agree with need to cover side effects routinely in the lead. Which message do you think needs updating? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Tunisian Arabic

Dear Mr., I am writing you today because I would like to publish Tunisian Arabic in Applied Linguistics and I knew that you have done the same with Dengue fever. I know that you are probably working with the Board of Trustees now. However, I ask if you can review my work and see if he meets to GA requirements. Furthermore, I ask if you can explain to me what I should precisely do in order to publish such work in Applied Linguistics. --Csisc (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note User:Csisc. First one needs to make sure that the journal in question is willing to publish this article under a CC BY SA license. From here I am not clear if that is the case. Are you working with someone at the journal?
The costs of open access publishing is fairly step. WRT feedback on the article I would ask someone who works on this type of article. It is outside of my area of expertise. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
The work can be published under CC BY SA License as shown here. I am not currently working with someone from the journal. However, I am working with two linguists. --Csisc (talk) 09:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I am not seeing it listed? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
See Copyright: Open Access option for authors. --Csisc (talk) 10:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Can you copy and paste the text below? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Here is the part talking about open access:
OPEN ACCESS OPTION FOR AUTHORS
Applied Linguists authors have the option to publish their paper under the Oxford Open initiative; whereby, for a charge, their paper will be made freely available online immediately upon publication. After your manuscript is accepted the corresponding author will be required to accept a mandatory licence to publish agreement. As part of the licensing process you will be asked to indicate whether or not you wish to pay for open access. If you do not select the open access option, your paper will be published with standard subscription-based access and you will not be charged.
Oxford Open articles are published under Creative Commons licences. Authors publishing in Applied Linguistics can use the following Creative Commons licences for their articles:
• Creative Commons Attribution licence (CC-BY)
• Creative Commons Non-Commercial licence (CC-BY-NC)
• Creative Commons non-Commercial No Derivatives licence (CC-BY-NC-ND)
Please click here for more information about the Creative Commons licences.
You can pay Open Access charges using our Author Services site. This will enable you to pay online with a credit/debit card, or request an invoice by email or post. The open access charges applicable are:
Regular charge - £2000/ $3200 / €2600
List B Developing country charge* - £1000 / $1600 / €1300
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  • Visit our Developing Countries page for a list of qualifying countries
Please note that these charges are in addition to any colour/page charges that may apply.
Orders from the UK will be subject to the current UK VAT charge. For orders from the rest of the European Union, OUP will assume that the service is provided for business purposes. Please provide a VAT number for yourself or your institution, and ensure you account for your own local VAT correctly. --Csisc (talk) 10:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
However, I should pay £2000 for publishing Tunisian Arabic. I also ask if I can publish the paper in Open Linguistics which is a peer reviewed journal which is not indexed in Thomson Reuters database and does not have an impact factor in 2015. More information are given in this call for paper part. --Csisc (talk) 10:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes and it does not mention CC BY SA. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
It is mentioned here. --Csisc (talk) 10:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry not seeing it? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
1. License
The non-commercial use of the article will be governed by the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license as currently displayed on http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/., except that sections 2 through 8 below will apply in this respect and prevail over all conflicting provisions of such a license model. Without prejudice to the foregoing, the author hereby grants the Journal Owner an exclusive license for commercial use of the article (for U.S. government employees: to the extent transferable) according to section 2 below, and sections 4 through 9 below, throughout the world, in any form, in any language, for the full term of copyright, effective upon acceptance for publication.
--Csisc (talk) 11:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes it does not say CC BY SA license anywhere. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
So, I can publish Tunisian Arabic in Open Linguistics. Now, I ask about what I should do before publishing the work in Open Linguistics Journal. --Csisc (talk) 11:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Would be good to write the journal and see if they are interested :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Tinnitus, bidirectional relationship?

Dear Doc James, On your edit comment for the Tinnitus article, you seem to say there is a bi-directional relationship between Tinnitus and depression. I know that's what you learnt at college but it doesn't mean it's true. Most of the scientific articles (e.g. ) I've found just relate depression as a comorbidity; but do not take the risk of saying it's a cause. Some others do, like this one, clamming anxiety exacerbates tinnitus, without being clear about the meaning of "exacerbate" (- does it permanently make tinnitus louder and with more frequencies ?).

  1. Baguley, David; McFerran, Don; Hall, Deborah (November 2013). "Tinnitus". The Lancet. 382 (9904): 1600–1607. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(13)60142-7.
  2. Fagelson, MA (December 2007). "The association between tinnitus and posttraumatic stress disorder" (PDF). American journal of audiology. 16 (2): 107–17. PMID 18056879.

You've probably already heard about this very famous sociology study. Don't you think a parallel could be made with tinnitus patient; as they are told by their entourage and their ENT doctor that tinnitus comes from their anxiety ? Doesn't it make them feel anxious ?

My goal is to do a review of scientific articles in order to clarify what those claiming anxiety/depression is a cause actually mean; and find how anxiety-caused-tinnitus are different from tinnitus caused by acoustic trauma (symptom description + physiological response). Would you be interested in joining your efforts with me in this task ?

Kind regards Galeop (talk) 19:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Galeop This ref says tinnitus can cause anxiety
Risk factor for tinnitus include depression per
If you can find high quality sources that discuss the issue in further detail we could add clarification to the body of the text. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
User:Doc James Yes, tinnitus can cause anxiety. But can anxiety cause tinnitus ? It's not so sure.
About : saying that something is a risk factor implies association, but not causality. As I was not so sure either, I asked David Baguley himself (his email is in the paper ]), and that's what he told me.
Best regards -- Galeop (talk) 19:14, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

your edits (summarized as "formatted")

Hello,

I'd like to discuss your reversion of my edits to the BPD article, which addressed the overuse of one particularly vague (and subjective) adjective in the article, by sometimes replacing them with more apposite & descriptive adjectives. I have noticed that many medical sources avoid this overuse. I believe my edits improve the overall quality of the article, as the overuse of "negative" sounds both robotic, lazy and profoundly lacking in nuance (especially when the idea is to describe something as nuanced as emotions) and am going to restore them for now so that further edits don't get in the way of doing this easily in future.

I'm also wondering how your edit summary, "formatted", would be considered to describe these reversions. As Clubjustin4 pointed out above ("July 2015") it's "helpful to others if you your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary."

If you have time/inclination to reply, please do so on . Thanks --TyrS 04:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The term used in the sources is "negative emotions". Thus we should use a similar term to avoid confusing people. Repeating the use of the same term makes the content easier to understand. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 July 2015

Altered edit

Hi, Is this the forum where I reply? I'm very new! The breast cancer edit I made was to add a journal article that was more recent than the previous one (I did not delete the previous) and I believe the article discusses the importance of contraception in the breast cancer debate.

Kind regards, James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmhayes78 (talkcontribs) 05:44, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome user User:Jamesmhayes78. Lets have the discussion here Talk:Breast_cancer#New_text. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Global Alliance for Self Management Support for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Global Alliance for Self Management Support is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Global Alliance for Self Management Support until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 10:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes I helped someone create this page 5 years ago. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, This is Dr Manuel Serrano, I did not remember Dr James, but yes probably was him who helped me to create this page. It is a network and it is not for self promotion or for profit causes. I was editing some other page with references based in my research experience in social support and I was surprised that was considered vandalism?

Here is the text at the page Abortion (deleted):

Help pregnant women

Women thinking on abortion are under pshychological stress before and after abortion, based in scientific research papers. So one of the ways to avoid antiabortion violence is providing social support to pregnant women thinking on abortion. Some networks of researchers and organizations as the are working to connect women with local resources using technology and social media for those under psychological distress and thinking on abortion . There are pages both in Spanish and in English. Referral places, non for profit and non linked to religious institutions are: lare located in the United States as Option Line, Stand Up Girl, Spain as Red Madre and Pensando en Abortar or Latinoamerican Countries as Centro Para la Mujer and Centros Ayuda Para La Mujer Embarazada

Yes the first bit was moved to elsewhere in the article were psychological effects of abortion are discussed
A references is needed for "So one of the ways to avoid antiabortion violence is providing social support to pregnant women thinking on abortion."
We do not typically from links to support organizations without evidence that they are notable. We need independent sources. Hope that helps. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:35, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I would like to point out this is not considered vandalism at all, and I applaud you coming to discuss here so that we can see what we can salvage. Misplaced Pages is very clear on conflicts of interest, such as writing about yourself or your organization. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 15:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
  1. Cite error: The named reference DBaguley was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. {{ Daugirdaitė V, van den Akker O, Purewal S. Posttraumatic stress and posttraumatic stress disorder after termination of pregnancy and reproductive loss: a systematic review. J Pregnancy. 2015;2015:646345. doi: 10.1155/2015/646345. Epub 2015 Feb 5. Review. PubMed PMID: 25734016; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC4334933}}.
  3. "Global Alliance for Self Management Support".

References

Hi Doc - thanks for your message re medical references. Which article was it in relation to? Ben Finn (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah my mistake User:Bfinn. I though you added this in this edit but now see you just moved stuff around. Have trimmed it. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Chronic venous insufficiency

In CVI, I was attempting to locate an article to link Phlebetic lymphedema. Which from what I gather means "vein swelling". Would linking to Lymphedema be adequate?

BTW: I also linked Hyperpigmentation and piped Venous ulceration to Venous ulcer Cheers Ping me with {{u|Jim1138}} and sign "~~~~" or message me on my talk page. 19:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Per the only ref I can find that seems reasonable. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Despite

…positive feedback from the Admin overseeing the deletion merger discussion (User:Sandstein), the further discussion of the merger of the PBC Foundation and main disease articles was preempted by one editor, and the PBC Foundation page was deleted (by User:Jytdog, despite repeated personal requests of him not to).

I should now ask what noticeboard would be best to hear the case—where the issue is the premature closure of the discussion, and declaration of consensus of at best (at the time) two editors overruling the poor new Jrfw editor.

That poor treatment is only part of the issue though—I think the article was (i) inaccurately, indeed falsely tarred-and-feathered by one editor as not having available sources (it does, and I have since provided them), (ii) the articles are both better served by the content remaining separate, and (iii) the patient population in the U.K is far better served by being able to find a high-profile WP article, that directs them both to the WP disease article page, and to the foundation. (One simply cannot argue that the needs of the disease page and the organizational information are copacetic: adding further content to make clear what the organization can do is at the expense of the focus/brevity of the disease article. That is why charitable organizations have their own pages.)

Administratively, a 3:1 merger decision is not a broad editor consensus (esp. when the principle discussion was 1:1). It is simply shameful to ramrod that result when both the initial issue of good article sources was addressed, and when other another seasoned and informed editor came on board to help make the original article move toward being a better article. Moreover, the article, while overlapping with medical issues, is not a medical article per se, and so the standards to which it was held, initially, were likely overzealous: it is an article about an organization, and the question is whether it is a notable organization, and it most certainly is, judged solely by the citations that are available for it (pro and con).

Bottom line, I think this was a premature and poor decision, and I think user Jytdog had it in, either for the poor Jrfw editor or the article, and so ceased seeing reason about it before I came on the scene. The only thing we are aimed for, at present, is an outcome allowing one editor to say "I won." This is not what we are supposed to be about, and I need to know how to alter course, administratively or otherwise.

So, what do you think is the best way to address matters? Is there a less combative way to undo this one editors heavy-handedness, which amounts to seeing that traces of the old are removed (and so discussion is made more difficult, so that the merger cannot be undone)? Can you, or someone else, mediate? Or, at worst, what is the best noticeboard venue to take this to?

Your advice asked, as an experienced hand here. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Le Prof, people are upset about AfD outcomes all the time. People that go ballistic like you are doing, when things don't come out their way, drive themselves right off the cliff and get blocked. btw I have it "in" for nobody. I work with the consensus. Sandstein encouraged you to try to build a new consensus to not merge or unmerge. The time for the first is past, but there is still the opportunity to do the second. However what you are doing, is no way to build a new consensus. And I will add, that if your goal is to help the new editor, the behavior you are demonstrating is a prime example of how not to react to an AfD that doesn't go your way. Jytdog (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Noting for the record one point, and one continuing inaccuracy: First, we cannot follow Admin Sandstein's advice ("try to build a new consensus to not merge")— .: it is true, as this editor says, "the time for is past"—only because this editor rushed to delete the article, etc. Second, I was not present at the initial AfD, so nothing went against me. I simply came upon the issue, immediately after, and asked that we not rush to complete it (and did substantial work offering good sources, etc.). In response to this, no good faith was shown. All caps only appeared after being repeatedly ignored, and when it became clear that this editor was rushing to change the playing field, by deleting the article before the renewed discussion had ended.

Otherwise, this same editor has defended his lack of respect, repeatedly, and knows this could all go away, if he would return the Foundation page to the main article space, so all could easily find it (that is, self-revert his rush to delete it while discussion was still ongoing). As long as that disrespect for the spirit of the process stands, and so disrespect for the two constructively and collegially engaged editors stand, I have nothing further to say in reply to him.

Doc, your advice, as I said, is asked, as an experienced hand here. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing this. The rush to delete and then merge the article when it was in the process of being improved shows Misplaced Pages bureaucrats at their worse and is a poor example of the consensus and co-operativity we should aim for. The article after improvements was much better than so many others and there is no benefit from putting all the 1000's of notable patient support charities in with their diseases. Or am I wrong here? I support the reverting of the merge -- I have no connection with the PBC Foundation -- but as a professional would like to see a clear entry point for people wanting to find support for their disease. Jrfw51 (talk) 08:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The content sites here
  • The closure to merge is here
  • The merged content is here

One can still work to improve the content in question. One is also free to userfy the previous content to work on it further. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:AVDUCK

Doc, you know the stick needs to be dropped and you have the ability to stop the disruption caused by the 3 editors named at ANI. The disruption is escalating. I have now wrongfully been accused of defamation and you need to oversee this insanity. JPS is removing images, it appears a sock is now involved (actually the behavior demonstrates what the essay is all about), there is some serious tendentious editing taking place without consensus. I already know you don't approve of my editing but I'm asking you to step up to the plate and do the right thing now. JPS, Ca2James and Quack Guru seem to think the only consensus they need is a nod of ok from each other. Well, WP:Misplaced Pages Essays suggests otherwise. ATG created an essay in his user space as a counter to AVDUCK so they need to move on and stop trying to alter the meaning of AVDUCK. Since JPS also has a different vision of what the essay should look like, he needs to create his own essay or help ATG improve his fairytale essay and get it into namespace.

When I called for the RfC, the intention was to help improve the essay by getting input from the broader community. It was not my obligation to do so - I did it because I truly want to do the right thing. The taint that was created by Project Med editors over the very first essay is still unjustly haunting AVDUCK after we made drastic changes. It represents the opinion of the editors who created and co-authored it therefore it is not subject to the same scrutiny as an article or PAG. I'm asking you to please intervene and stop the disruption caused by those 3 editors who refuse to DROPTHESTICK before it escalates to ARBCOM, especially based on the history I've had to endure with these same editors. It's pretty obvious what's happening now and I don't think it will be difficult to prove that I've been targeted by the same editors who have stood in opposition to my edits dating back to Griffin, all of which is based on their misapprehension of my intent, or perhaps it's all punitive or retaliatory because I took the initiative to hold certain editors accountable for their double standards. If I put it all together - Griffin, Kombucha, AVDUCK, the MfDs, Griffin's AfD, the RfCs, COIN, Racz and ARBCOM - well, it isn't going to demonstrate the best example of WP:AGF by the same few editors who have been hounding and harassing me. All I'm asking is that you act fair and reasonable with regards to this low-impact, harmless essay that has brought out the worst in those 3 editors. They need to WP:DROPTHESTICK and stop the tendentious editing and disruptive OWN behavior. Atsme 17:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Looking here you may have hit 4 reverts in 24 hours. Appears to be an issue over the image which per the talk page have some justification. Do not have time to look into it further right now. If you could provide three key diffs that would help. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I removed the Monty Python witch gibberish that JPS added in the caption of the scale image. It was irrelevant to the essay and certainly doesn't belong in the caption of a scale image. A vandal reverted me and restored the caption, . I reverted the vandalism. Another editor suspected the vandalism was the work of sock and filed a SPI. The next day, JPS removed one of the main images for the essay without consensus . I restored the image because it helps define the essay. JPS reverted me falsely claiming that it defamed a UK union which is utter nonsense so I restored the duck image. The images are licensed under CC share-alike, but to try to appease the doubters, I removed the text from the flag and added my own and uploaded the composite image. Also, a prior consensus approved keeping the ducks when the whole "duck" theme was challenged. The tendentious editing by JPS has been nonstop, and while bold edits are encouraged to improve articles, he wasn't improving the article and along with AndyTheGrump, created a BATTLEGROUND. Quack Guru did not persist with his disruptions. Bold edits are not encouraged for namespace essays per WP:Misplaced Pages Essays, and they certainly aren't encouraged when there is controversy but that never stopped JPS. If you look at the edit summary you will see the tendentious editing was caused primarily by JPS and AndyTheGrump. Quack Guru's edits were reverted by AndyTheGrump because he added Andy's essay to AVDUCK without permission. The essay became chaotic so I filed an ANI. Then JPS filed his false claim at BLPN, . Doc, you know full well what they were doing and why. Just the fact that they created so much disruption over a low-impact essay that wasn't hurting anything speaks volumes. I don't see how you can ignore such behavior regardless of how much you may dislike me. Atsme 03:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
If there is actually further disruption shouldn't you raise it at the currently open and active ANI you started for the very same issue you are bringing here?-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
SJP, something has to be done because Andy just posted this to me at ANI - "You are beneath contempt, and the sooner Misplaced Pages gets rid of you the better." Apparently, we have a shortage of admins who are paying attention to what's really going on, and allowing attention to the real problem to be diverted where it doesn't belong. To tell an editor they are "beneath contempt" is enough to get them banned from WP. What he said to me is unforgivable. Atsme 07:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Yup. I said that. In response to the umpteenth example of vacuous blather from Atsme, all full of assertions that I'd done this or that, and no verifiable evidence that anyone but her thought I'd done anything wrong - in which she chose to demonstrate the contempt she holds the Misplaced Pages community in by asserting that an RfC that she herself started wasn't valid on the grounds ""The RfC has proven nothing because... there were only 1 or 2 oppose comments that were substantive...". You can of course see the RfC yourself, and judge the validity of the responses. She is incapable of accepting any criticism as anything but evidence of a conspiracy against her (see e.g. this comment about Bishonen, who has had no involvement in this dispute beyond a single posting in the ANI thread), and seems incapable of even keeping her arguments straight. One minute she is condemning my essay as "disruption", and the next minute she is insisting that she has no objection to it. She is a liability to the project. She needs to go. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Honestly Atsme, and I'm sure it's not intentional but this actually does look alot like WP:ADMINSHOP. I see you mention that Doc James may not like you but I don't really think that's the case. Doc James you can answer this, Can you really do anything here and are you really even supposed to? It's been brought to the community at ANI and now someone is specifically asked there if ATG should be banned. Doc James is the admin and I trust their experience in that regard but it seems to me that ANI takes precedence here over that of one Admin. Which again Doc James will really need to answer that. It's my personal view that ATG hasn't done anything wrong.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 08:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

I am seeing some issues here with Atsme.
  • The two links of "vandalism" are not vandalism.
  • Many people see issues with the image being used and working through proper channels to get it addressed is not wrong
  • I very much dislike it when people assume I know what others are doing and why. I edit a lot of different topic areas.
  • There is an ongoing pattern of Atsme accusing others of badness without sufficient evidence to support it
  • While the comments by User:AndyTheGrump were not appropriate their appears to have been baiting. Would recommend they cross out that bit.
Some likely see me as involved with the issues in question and therefore I will not become involved with this as an admin. ANI definitely does take precedence and this is being dealt with there. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. Atsme 13:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
PS - You got your wish - Racz was delisted as a GA - your efforts in "fixing" it worked. Atsme 16:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Of course if the article ever gets into decent enough shape, there's no reason why it shouldn't be re-nominated for GA. Alexbrn (talk) 16:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
It is way better than it was I agree. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:42, 3 August 2015 (UTC)