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| HughD, would love to discuss with you on the wording. I don't think the phrase "Chicago-Style politics" was meant to only describe Obama. While it has been largely used in this regard, I believe that it is a conservative critique of several Democrats and Democratic organizations. Thoughts? ] (]) 20:36, 28 April 2015 (UTC) | HughD, would love to discuss with you on the wording. I don't think the phrase "Chicago-Style politics" was meant to only describe Obama. While it has been largely used in this regard, I believe that it is a conservative critique of several Democrats and Democratic organizations. Thoughts? ] (]) 20:36, 28 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
| == Why did this article become about an anti-Obama meme == | |||
| The original article was about the phrase Chicago-style politics. When I searched for the phrase using Google the first two entries I found were not about Obama, they defined the term as much older and more general. ]] | |||
| From The Slate: "Chicago-style politics, in common parlance, refers to the 1950s-1970s era of the Richard J. Daley machine. " This is just after he said that it's hasn't been around for 25 years. One editor who seems is trying to ] the article has clearly moved it from it's original message into an anti-conservative message that is a clear violation of ]. A recent IP editor tried to clean things up but his edits were removed (the blanking of reliable content was done without proper justification) in order to avoid allowing the article to return to what was clearly the original topic. Agreement should be reached before changing the subject of the article ] (]) 00:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
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POV Check - entire article
Disclaimer: I have a B.A. in Political Science and another in Interdisciplinary Studies: Communications, Legal Institutions, Economics & Government (CLEG) from American University.
The article in its entirety raises neutrality and content questions for me. Allow me to explain: Opening line, "...characteristics associated to the less commendable aspects..." I do not immediately recall there being other Misplaced Pages articles that discuss this
Second paragraph, "...the so called Chicago Machine, with all its venal implications..." sounds like a subjective attack on the system. There is no argument from me that there is something afoot with the way politics in done in Chicago, but this paragraph does not tell me much.
Third paragraph: is there a connection between former Governors Ryan and Blagojevich and the style of politics in Chicago?
In general: U.S. President Barack Obama has been accused of playing 'Chicago Style Politics' in the 1st half of his term. There is no mention of it, or even discussion of said fact.
The opening line accuses the subject matter of having characteristics of, "... corruption, patronage, nepotism, authoritarianism..." To repeat what I said earlier, this could be a true statement, but there is no evidence supplied to support the statement.
How would I fix this? -Not exactly sure where to begin. If the first Mayor Daley initiated this style of politics, some examples would be nice. How was he authoritarian? Any specific examples? The Buddy Cianci article comes to mind about where to start.
-If over 1000 people have been convicted of corrupt practices since the 1970s, one would think this article could become quite long.
-I am willing to contribute, but I want to make certain that I am not off-base here about the POV check. SinkingFeeling (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
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HughD, would love to discuss with you on the wording. I don't think the phrase "Chicago-Style politics" was meant to only describe Obama. While it has been largely used in this regard, I believe that it is a conservative critique of several Democrats and Democratic organizations. Thoughts? DaltonCastle (talk) 20:36, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Why did this article become about an anti-Obama meme
The original article was about the phrase Chicago-style politics. When I searched for the phrase using Google the first two entries I found were not about Obama, they defined the term as much older and more general. ]] From The Slate: "Chicago-style politics, in common parlance, refers to the 1950s-1970s era of the Richard J. Daley machine. " This is just after he said that it's hasn't been around for 25 years. One editor who seems is trying to WP:OWN the article has clearly moved it from it's original message into an anti-conservative message that is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. A recent IP editor tried to clean things up but his edits were removed (the blanking of reliable content was done without proper justification) in order to avoid allowing the article to return to what was clearly the original topic. Agreement should be reached before changing the subject of the article Springee (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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