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| Note I = ref name=Hadid>{{cite news|title=Jewish Man Dies as Rocks Pelt His Car in West Bank|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html?_r=0|publisher=]|date=14 September 2015}} http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html?_r=0 A Jewish man died early Monday morning after attackers pelted the road he was driving on with rocks as he was returning home from a dinner celebrating Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, the Israeli authorities said .A statement from the Israeli police said the assailants were throwing stones on Sunday night on a road that runs between a Palestinian and Jewish neighborhood in East Jerusalem.''' The police said the stone-throwing “led to a self-inflicted accident,”''' as the man lost control of the car and smashed into a pole.Ynet, an Israeli news site, quoted a woman who said that she was a passenger in the car and that it crashed after being hit by a thrown object. The site did not identify the woman. | Note I = ref name=Hadid>{{cite news|title=Jewish Man Dies as Rocks Pelt His Car in West Bank|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html?_r=0|publisher=]|date=14 September 2015}} http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html?_r=0 A Jewish man died early Monday morning after attackers pelted the road he was driving on with rocks as he was returning home from a dinner celebrating Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, the Israeli authorities said .A statement from the Israeli police said the assailants were throwing stones on Sunday night on a road that runs between a Palestinian and Jewish neighborhood in East Jerusalem.''' The police said the stone-throwing “led to a self-inflicted accident,”''' as the man lost control of the car and smashed into a pole.Ynet, an Israeli news site, quoted a woman who said that she was a passenger in the car and that it crashed after being hit by a thrown object. The site did not identify the woman. | ||
| (2) ( ] 14 September 2015) | (2) ( ] 14 September 2015) | ||
| An incident sub iudice or under a gag order, whose nature is not yet determined, cannot be, whatever the assertion of one of many assertions, be called 'a murder'. E M Gregory has an obsession with this topic, but this is getting farcical. ] (]) 15:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC) | An incident sub iudice or under a gag order, whose nature is not yet determined, cannot be, whatever the assertion of one of many assertions, be called 'a murder'. E M Gregory has an obsession with this topic, but this is getting farcical. ] (]) 15:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :Name should probably be changed but I see a few articles just like that. In Israel at least, it has gotten a lot of coverage. ] (]) 15:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC) | :Name should probably be changed but I see a few articles just like that. In Israel at least, it has gotten a lot of coverage. ] (]) 15:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC) | ||
| : {{re|Nishidani}} {{re|John Carter}} Pls add an address of discussion for its deletion to your claim. | |||
| : Regarding to NYT article - as already usual for it, see "Watchdog Accuses New York Times of Acting as ‘Apologist’ for Palestinian Rock-Throwing"<ref name="algemeiner150916">{{cite web|url=http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/09/16/media-watchdog-accuses-new-york-times-of-acting-as-apologist-for-palestinian-rock-throwing/|title=Watchdog Accuses New York Times of Acting as ‘Apologist’ for Palestinian Rock-Throwing|author=|date=2015-09-16|publisher=algemeiner.com|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref> | |||
| : The rest RS see below. As I think after these RS & changing the title by ], this claim is already not relevant. --] (]) 23:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
| === What "fails Notability" & "distorts" and who does "selective use of sources"? === | |||
| The following RS prove that such claims are not correct, and we have to wait as min till results of investigations. | |||
| * President ] : “This bloody attack, the murder of Alexander Levlovich, shows us once again that terror is terror – whether with rocks, guns or other weapons – and it shows us we must act firmly against all terrorism”<ref name="timesofisrael150916">{{cite web|url=http://www.timesofisrael.com/rivlin-urges-interfaith-cooperation-in-response-to-terrorism/|title=Rivlin urges interfaith cooperation in response to terrorism|author=TAMAR PILEGGI.|date=2015-09-16|publisher=timesofisrael.com|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref> | |||
| * Prime Minister ] ... in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv where the rock was thrown earlier this week that caused the death of Alexander Levlovitz and declared “war” on those who throw rocks and petrol bombs. “Here, in the heart of Jerusalem, at a traffic island on a main road, a thug and criminal stands here, on a traffic island, takes a rock and throws again and again at the windshields of cars of Jerusalem residents until he manages to cause death – it did not kill, it murdered”<ref name="jpost150916">{{cite web|url=http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-declares-war-on-those-who-throw-rocks-and-firebombs-416283|title=Netanyahu declares ‘war’ on those who throw rocks and firebombs|author=HERB KEINON.|date=2015-09-16|publisher=jpost.com|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref><ref name="cbnnews150916">{{cite web|url=http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2015/September/Netanyahu-Changing-Policy-for-Rock-Firebomb-Attacks/|title=Netanyahu: 'Changing Policy' for Rock, Firebomb Attacks|author=|date=2015-09-16|publisher=cbnnews.com|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref> | |||
| * <ref name="ynetnews150918">{{cite web|url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4701668,00.html|title=Ministers seek to fine parents of stone throwers|author=Tova Tzimoki.|date=2015-09-18|publisher=ynetnews.com|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref> | |||
| * Ambassador ] on the anti-Semitic remarks of the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, the violent events in Jerusalem, and the Security Council statement on the topic: “This past Sunday, as Jews around the world prepared to celebrate the Jewish New Year, Palestinian terrorists once again used the holiday season to instigate riots on the Temple Mount and to launch terror attacks, which lead to the murder of an Israeli citizen, Alexander Lebelovitch.<ref name="Prosor150917">{{cite web|url=http://embassies.gov.il/un/NewsAndEvents/Pages/Amb.-Prosor-on-the-Violence-in-the-Temple-Mount.aspx|title=Prosor on the Violence in the Temple Mount|author=].|date=2015-09-17|publisher=Permanent Mission of Israel to the United Nations|accessdate=19 September 2015}}</ref> | |||
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Revision as of 00:13, 20 September 2015
The whole article is preemptive in its judgement, fails Notability, and distorts by its selective use of sources.It should be deleted.
Note I = ref name=Hadid>"Jewish Man Dies as Rocks Pelt His Car in West Bank". NY Times. 14 September 2015. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html?_r=0 A Jewish man died early Monday morning after attackers pelted the road he was driving on with rocks as he was returning home from a dinner celebrating Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, the Israeli authorities said .A statement from the Israeli police said the assailants were throwing stones on Sunday night on a road that runs between a Palestinian and Jewish neighborhood in East Jerusalem. The police said the stone-throwing “led to a self-inflicted accident,” as the man lost control of the car and smashed into a pole.Ynet, an Israeli news site, quoted a woman who said that she was a passenger in the car and that it crashed after being hit by a thrown object. The site did not identify the woman.
(2) Man returning from Rosh Hashanah dinner loses control of car; police investigate if crash was result of stones being thrown at car or if driver had heart attack. A man in Jerusalem was fatally wounded on Sunday night, the eve of Rosh Hashanah, when he lost control of his car after it was reportedly pelted with stones. The vehicle struck a power line and tumbled into a roadside ditch. Police said they were investigating if stones thrown at the car caused the accident. Jerusalem police said the passengers were returning from a Rosh Hashanah holiday dinner when they drove on a route on which Arabs were throwing stones. However, questioning of the other passengers suggested that the driver had convulsed before losing control of the car, and police decided to continue investigating the cause of the accident. ('Driver dies in accident possibly caused by stone-throwing,' Ynet 14 September 2015)
An incident sub iudice or under a gag order, whose nature is not yet determined, cannot be, whatever the assertion of one of many assertions, be called 'a murder'. E M Gregory has an obsession with this topic, but this is getting farcical. Nishidani (talk) 15:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Name should probably be changed but I see a few articles just like that. In Israel at least, it has gotten a lot of coverage. Settleman (talk) 15:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Nishidani: @John Carter: Pls add an address of discussion for its deletion to your claim.
- Regarding to NYT article - as already usual for it, see "Watchdog Accuses New York Times of Acting as ‘Apologist’ for Palestinian Rock-Throwing"
- The rest RS see below. As I think after these RS & changing the title by Settleman, this claim is already not relevant. --Igorp_lj (talk) 23:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
What "fails Notability" & "distorts" and who does "selective use of sources"?
The following RS prove that such claims are not correct, and we have to wait as min till results of investigations.
- President Reuven Rivlin : “This bloody attack, the murder of Alexander Levlovich, shows us once again that terror is terror – whether with rocks, guns or other weapons – and it shows us we must act firmly against all terrorism”
- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ... in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv where the rock was thrown earlier this week that caused the death of Alexander Levlovitz and declared “war” on those who throw rocks and petrol bombs. “Here, in the heart of Jerusalem, at a traffic island on a main road, a thug and criminal stands here, on a traffic island, takes a rock and throws again and again at the windshields of cars of Jerusalem residents until he manages to cause death – it did not kill, it murdered”
- Alexander Levlovich was killed in a rock attack on his car (Photo: Arik Abolof, Jerusalem Fire Services)
- Ambassador Ron Prosor on the anti-Semitic remarks of the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, the violent events in Jerusalem, and the Security Council statement on the topic: “This past Sunday, as Jews around the world prepared to celebrate the Jewish New Year, Palestinian terrorists once again used the holiday season to instigate riots on the Temple Mount and to launch terror attacks, which lead to the murder of an Israeli citizen, Alexander Lebelovitch.
- "Watchdog Accuses New York Times of Acting as 'Apologist' for Palestinian Rock-Throwing". algemeiner.com. 2015-09-16. Retrieved 19 September 2015.
- TAMAR PILEGGI. (2015-09-16). "Rivlin urges interfaith cooperation in response to terrorism". timesofisrael.com. Retrieved 19 September 2015.
- HERB KEINON. (2015-09-16). "Netanyahu declares 'war' on those who throw rocks and firebombs". jpost.com. Retrieved 19 September 2015.
- "Netanyahu: 'Changing Policy' for Rock, Firebomb Attacks". cbnnews.com. 2015-09-16. Retrieved 19 September 2015.
- Tova Tzimoki. (2015-09-18). "Ministers seek to fine parents of stone throwers". ynetnews.com. Retrieved 19 September 2015.
- Ron Prosor. (2015-09-17). "Prosor on the Violence in the Temple Mount". Permanent Mission of Israel to the United Nations. Retrieved 19 September 2015.