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What I do on Misplaced Pages.

My rewards.

What's up?

I mainly follow up on pages from my watchlist, occasionally adding new pages to it that spiked my interest.

I am happily busy with my beloved wife, Miriam. Add daughter: Channa. And son: Aharon. Add daughter: Sheina Chava And Rivkah.

Can you help identify these favicons?

I would like to make a little personal use of this talk page.

I collect favicons. I have over 8,000 of them. A few of them are my 'orphans': I do not know the sites they came from.

I you think you could help, and want to do me a big favor, please have a look at them.

My 'orphan' favicons

Thanks! Debresser (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried using Google Images' search by image function. benzband (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC) _{Please leave me a {{talkback}} if you reply}

Yes. But thanks for the suggestion. Debresser (talk) 18:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

• I now have over 10,000 favicons, and the number of orphans is down to 11! Debresser (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Special characters

{{helpme}} Just like & #123; gives {, I would like to know how to make , and '. Where is there a list of these things? I looked, e.g. in Misplaced Pages:Special_character, but didn't find what I am looking for. Debresser (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

http://www.degraeve.com/reference/specialcharacters.php --Closedmouth (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Isn't there anything on WIkipedia? Debresser (talk) 13:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

If there is, it's well hidden. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

List of XML and HTML character entity references ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  13:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

TUSC token: 2214f14d9938ca34406a77c7801e2c4e

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Didn't work the first time. Sigh... Debresser (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

This tool, http://toolserver.org/~magnus/flickr2commons.php, sucks! At the moment, at least. Debresser (talk) 17:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Favicon #18 and #19

http://www.quantummuse.com https://advertise.baltimoresun.com/portal/page/portal/Baltimore%20Sun/FAQ Zero 05:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I am so grateful! 08:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I doubt I ever saw that second link. It must be that the favicon was previously used on more baltimoresun pages. Debresser (talk) 09:07, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. You can find several more. Go to http://images.google.com and click on the little camera at the end of the search box. Enter the URL of one of your favicon's and it will search for similar images. I think most of them will give some hit, though you can't be sure it is the original page using the favicon. I believe Bing also has a type of search that looks for similar images. Zero 09:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I have tried that, and even found one or two, but the ones that are left I couldn't solve in this way. Maybe I'll try it again, since it is about two years since I last tried that. Thanks for the idea. Debresser (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

They must have improved it, since that is how I found those two. And I only tried 3 of them. Zero 10:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I used the tool today, and found a few more. Thanks to you the number of 'orphans' is down to 11. That is the largest change I have ever had in one day. And one more icons was also found by the tool, just that I couldn't reproduce it. Debresser (talk) 23:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Mass revelation

Maybe it belongs at WP:Revelation, I don't know, but the same editor added it there. Doug Weller (talk) 18:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Uh, what was this in regard to? Please remind me. Debresser (talk) 10:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Box jellyfish

I had removed the "How to" tag on the article not merely because it was old, but because it did not seem to be an appropriate tag. The way I read the section, it included information about the nature of jellyfish stings, and debunking myths about treatment. I certainly do not see it as instructions on "How to treat a jellyfish sting." I do not believe it belongs. Thoughts? Scr★pIron 12:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

My thought were as follows. Debresser (talk) 14:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Shalosh Regalim

Hi. Thanks for the thanks :) You seem to know your Torah etc. - maybe you know why they write that the Shalosh Regalim were meant for Israelites from the Kingdom of Judah only. What about those from the north/Israel? Were they only invited after the destruction of their kingdom? Don't think they worshipped at the Dan and - was it Shechem? - shrines only, but I'm not sure.

Do you know enough to add smth about the Hebrew meaning/etymology of "regalim"? Obviously derived from leg/foot, "regel", but does the word appear anywhere in the Bible with the meaning of "pilgrimage" ?

What about some theories that one "went TO the foot" , thus explaining "aliyah l'regel" (ascent TO the foot), the correct name of the 3 pilgrimages, and not "aliyah b'regel" (ascent BY foot) as one might expect (see Adam Zertal's alleged discovery of Gilgal, a foot-shaped site near Jericho). Thanks, Arminden (talk) 21:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)Arminden

See this article on the Academy of the Hebrew Language website, where it explains that "shlosha regalim" is "three times", as in "on three occasions". A nice illustration is Deut. 22:28, where the ass of Balaam asks him why he hit her three times.

In modern Hebrew "on the occasion of your birthday" will be "leregel yom hahuledet shelcha", so this second meaning of the word "regel" is kept even in modern Hebrew.

I am not convinced this word is from the same word as "foot".

By the way, there is the verb "r-g-l" which means "to spy", which I do believe to be connected to the word "foot", since spies would typically be send out on foot, as opposed to on horse, to be less conspicuous. Debresser (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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Good question, which of the two types of moral objectivism was intended. There are 2 sources there, but I don't have access to them. Debresser (talk) 11:08, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Point Valid

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Discussion elsewhere (you know which I mean)

May I suggest you moving the last comment to here? It's your comment, so I don't want to move it.

I grant that your point is valid, but that complicates the problem a great deal. Note Dweller's comment of 17:00 UTC: once you allow for nissuin in this setting, arguing that point becomes much, much more complicated.

I'll leave whatever work should perhaps happen on that article to you; I can't possibly take that up now. It really does need to mention that (a) it was frequently betrothal, (b) where it was nissuin there were reasons for that, and (c) that in nissuin of a ketanah, bi'ah did not (was not supposed to) happen. My impression was most such cases were (a), and that (b) happened only when the father absolutely, positively had no hope of supporting the daughter at all. But I just don't know; you feel free to tackle that one. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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The article was prodded. I am trying to unprod it. Debresser (talk) 17:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Going too far

In a recent edit at WP:AN3, you undid an administrator's closure of your complaint. Please restore the original 'Declined' verdict. This is on the edge of disruptive editing. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive editing? That is ridiculous. If an admin doesn't know what edit warring is, he has no business at that noticeboard. It is not the first time, that I have come to this noticeboard, and admins didn't make the distinction between a 3RR violation and edit warring. Usually, after some explaining, they understand their mistake, but this guy simply decided to dismiss the issue based on his incorrect understanding. That is not something I have to stand for. Admins are not infallible, and a non-admin is not less an editor that an admin, just has less privileges. Please be aware that I am perfectly willing to take this to WP:ANI or wherever else, but this was an incompetent closure. Also notice that I rephrased the closure in the correct way, not denying that the issue was closed. Debresser (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not that admins are super-competent and never make a mistake, but you 'corrected' his closure. That's like changing another editor's talk page comment to make it appear they said something different. If you disagree with his closure, you can ask User:Slakr to reconsider his action, or appeal it to WP:ANI. While doing so, you should be careful to dodge the WP:BOOMERANG. Messing around with the closer's language on AN3 will just cause confusion and hurt your reputation for no benefit. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I get your point. Okay, I'll undo that and contact the closing editor. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Reputation is the last thing I care about. If others care more about reputation than about truth or fair process and the like, then that is their problem. Debresser (talk) 23:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Since this is my talkpage, I shall speak my mind here freely. I just read Slark's reply to my post and request on his talkpage to review his closure of my edit war complaint here. He basically said that he is considering to block me for defending the consensus version. The hypocrisy of declining my request for intervention with the excuse that there was no 3RR violation, while at the same time considering to block me when I too have not violated this same rule, is staggering.

The truth of the matter is that for the last few years now I have noticed that reverts are becoming a large part of the edits on my watchlist. The reason is that Misplaced Pages has improved, and many edits are either POV or simply of inferior quality. But once in a while there is a an editor, usually a new editor, who thinks he can or should push through his point of view. In my experience, these editors, who turn up on my watchlist every few months, will not listen to reason. They simply will not. So now I have to simultaneously revert their disruptive edits in an edit war, explain their mistakes on the talkpage (with the help of other editors, because they never believe just one editor), and stay out of trouble myself.

It should be the duty of admins to show a low tolerance policy for such editors. Because they have to be taught that pushing hard enough against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines will not get them where they want to, or they need to be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages altogether. However, every year or two there is this admin, who thinks they need to explain to me that I should not be edit warring. My comment to them: have a look what is going around on Misplaced Pages, as explained above, and say thank you that there are such editors as me, who are willing to make the effort to protect this project. Debresser (talk) 00:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for checking with User:Slakr to find out his views. While some cases at AN3 are treated as long-term edit warring, this is not common and the submitter has to make a persuasive case. If you had filed a complaint of long-term warring at AN3 *before* making three reverts of User:Benjil yourself, the complaint would have been more credible. When you talk about 'making an effort to protect the project' it sounds like you are personally entitled to make these reverts. If this is going to be your usual practice it is unlikely to impress 3RR admins who have to judge a grey-area case like this one. Instead of using reverts to 'defend the consensus version' why not open an RfC? EdJohnston (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

There is a talkpage discussion. Only he and me comment there, he in favor, I against. It is a waist of time, in all likelihood. But I'll consider it. Thank you for your advice. Debresser (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Point Valid for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Point Valid is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Thanks for the notification. I have posted there. Debresser (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

For the record, it was obvious to me, but in these things its safer to explicitly spell out your position so as to avoid anyone misunderstanding which position you are advocating for. I want to make sure that you have every chance to make sure that people know where you stand on the matter, that it all. For what its worth, I do not think the article will survive an afd, but stranger things have been know to happen. Good luck. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Debresser (talk) 08:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox department

Hi. I've been doing some cleanup work at Ladino Misplaced Pages and came across this. English is one of the very few Wikipedias without an explicit infobox for French départements. Instead, it handles them through {{Infobox settlement}}, with {{Infobox department}} as a redirect. That's fine; I have no problem with that. However, what I intended to do was to decouple the redirect briefly, then go to Wikidata and link {{Infobox department}} to d:Q5622711, and then reconnect the redirect. I can't do it, because the redirect is protected at template editor level. Would you mind terribly doing that little exercise for me? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but since this redirect is in use, we have to synchronize when you want to do this. So what do I need to do, replace the redirect by a dummy text for a few minutes? Debresser (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

That's right. I usually use something like "Redirect disabled for five minutes to create Wikidata link." StevenJ81 (talk) 20:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

So tell me when. It will have to be tomorrow (for me in Israel). Debresser (talk) 20:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Let's try 5 pm your time/10 am my time. (If that doesn't work for you, propose an alternate. My only hard appointment is at 1:30 pm mine/8:30 pm yours.) At that hour, watch for me to come back here and say that I'm present. Then you respond here that you've changed that shortcut. Then I'll make the change at Wikidata, and come back here to let you know that I'm finished. Then you change the shortcut back. OK? Thanks very much. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

5pm it is. Try to be on time, please, or even a few minutes early. Debresser (talk) 22:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm here. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:42, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. Let me know when you finish. Debresser (talk) 13:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Finished. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. Have a nice day. Debresser (talk) 13:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Always a pleasure. כתיבה וחתימה טובה. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Placing maintenance categories in WP:WikiProject Marketing & Advertising

These categories are administrative categories (they are clearly marked as such with {{Misplaced Pages category}}), not content categories and absolutely do not belong in WP:WikiProject Marketing & Advertising. These categories only exist to assist in combating user misbehavior and are not about the subject of Marketing or subject of Advertising. Furthermore WP:WikiProject Marketing & Advertising is not responsible for monitoring misbehaving users or maintaining lists of misbehaving accounts. If you don't understand the difference between an administrative and a content category, read WP:PROJCATS. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 11:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

• Category:Misplaced Pages spam
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• Category:Wikipedians who are indefinitely blocked for advertising used by {{uw-adblock}}
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Oh, I understand WP:PROJCATS very well. Please notice that is says that "Article pages should be kept out of administrative categories if possible." It does not say that "Administrative categories should be kept out of WikiProject-related categories". Debresser (talk) 13:53, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

געפֿילטע פֿיש

I'm a bit confused by your edit with edit summary I take back my previous edit: the word is plural indeed, as the actual edit undid my last edit and reverted to your previous version (that is, after your first undo), thereby in effect undoing all my changes to the lead (except for the use of a minuscule g in gefüllte(r)). Did you mean to revert to the version of 09:06, September 1, 2015‎?  --Lambiam 22:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

You're right. Fixed now. Debresser (talk) 08:57, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit on Palestinian stone-throwing

Hi. I added the part about serious injuries because it says so in the source (Al Jazeera). I also thought it was weird to open a paragraph with "However..." when it is an update of the paragraph above. --IRISZOOM (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

We have had our differences, but I have never doubted you are a serious editor. It is always a pleasure to work together with you on improving articles. Together, we can provide balance and quality. Debresser (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you are a good editor too. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

How did you like my edit? Debresser (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

That sentence is better now but the one about injury is unchanged. --IRISZOOM (talk) 21:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Which one do you mean, precisely, and what is the problem? Debresser (talk) 21:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Al Jazeera write "Currently, Israeli prosecutors usually seek sentences of no more than three months in jail for rock-throwing that does not result in serious injury". I added some words to cover the part about serious injury but that was reverted. --IRISZOOM (talk) 02:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Done now. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 09:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Great. --IRISZOOM (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Geography of Israel

Hi Debresser, I suggest the "holy map link" by the Jewish National and University Library in Jerusalem better fits this page Geography_of_Israel which by the way only has an external link to an interactive map of Israel. You are right, although the landing page is mostly is in Hebrew the internal links are in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpatico qa (talk • contribs) 19:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

That's what I meant, that the linking menu is in English.

The term "holy" is part of website's title, so there isn't much we can do about that, although I agree it isn't overly appropriate.

Let me think about your suggestion, okay? Debresser (talk) 19:32, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Malik

גמר חתימה טובה.

The Malik part of that Arbitration is long gone. Malik flat-out retired from WP. ArbCom basically dropped the issue of whether he should be re-sysoped as moot, for now. (If he ever comes back, Malik made it pretty clear that he would choose to stand for admin again, rather than simply being reflagged. But I'm not prepared to bet that he is ever coming back.)

At this point, the Arbitration is about seeing if we can make the Israel/Palestine topic area a more civilized one where experienced editors can actually try to work with each other to create reasonably crafted, neutral articles. I actually had to work fairly hard to make sure that neither the evidence phase nor the workshop phase actually ended on a yom tov. There was goodwill from the arbitrators on the case; they just don't know the calendar. And my point to them was not that those of us who would be off-wiki those days shouldn't contribute sooner. It was simply that it would not be right if people with interests adverse to ours had 48 final hours to contribute to phases of the arbitration, and then the phase would close without our having a chance to respond. They fully concurred, no problem.

At this point, the main case page is here: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 3. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I see. Debresser (talk) 21:58, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I see no discussion about that on the page itself, only about Malik. Is it on the talkpage? Debresser (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "that" you're referring to. If you're referring to modifying the schedule to go around the chagim (and Hajj, as far as it goes), that's a little bit on the talk page of the main case page, and mostly on the talk page of the /Evidence subpage. If you're referring to the actual question currently on the table, it's not very well defined, but start with the first box (after the case schedule) on the evidence page. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I meant the second, the discussion. That would be Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3/Evidence. Okay, I'll have a look later. Debresser (talk) 05:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Humanistic Judaism

You twice restored material which is not in the RS, and which is POV, which I pointed out. Yet you have now restored what I suggested in the first place. This https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Judaism&diff=prev&oldid=681449226 and this https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Judaism&diff=next&oldid=681490799 are the same. You accused me of being an edit warrior, and yet you have restored my change, after twice reverting it. I think you owe me an apology. Does this explain your foul mouthed rant on my talk page?Johnmcintyre1959 (talk) 20:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I've just seen the apology for the error but I see no apology for the edit warrior slur.Johnmcintyre1959 (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Because you are an edit warrior! As I said, being right (WP:TRUTH) does not give you the right to ignore Misplaced Pages's editing rules. Debresser (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Removing POV non RS material is not edit warring, it is correct behaviour. You are simply a serial reverter who does not bother to look at what you are reverting, once you see certain names, as shown by your admitted error in removing the word Liberal twice!!! PS I don't see any removal of the threat to have me barred for reverting ANYTHING you put back. There is a 3 RR, and it applies to everyone.Johnmcintyre1959 (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I hope this is the right way of advising you of this

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You have been mentioned at this pageJohnmcintyre1959 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

If I have done this wrong I will post the whole text here.Johnmcintyre1959 (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GAB 21:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you both for the notification. Debresser (talk) 16:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

1R

I asked you to revert a 1R violation at Temple Mount but waived a report given the New Year circumstances. The least you owe me is the courtesy of a reply. Nishidani (talk) 20:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I noticed the request after the New Year, and understood that after two days it was not relevant any more. I missed the fact that I was supposed to reply. I'll have a look soon. Debresser (talk) 16:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Point Valid

moved here from editnotice I guess I'm allowed to comment here since my words, actions, or stupidity haven't offended you yet.  :-) Anyway, I just wanted to compliment you upon the nice little Point Valid article. It was fun to fix up, even though the improvements almost delayed the AfD verdict. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the note here, and your edits to this article. Debresser (talk) 17:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Shalom

Originally the sources were part of the text which made it more easily understandable. However the Christian viewpoint, which is basically the same except for the bathroom rule, was not included. Since you felt the Christian addition should not be added or was unsourced, I attempted to revert it back to the original without success. I did, however do a manual revert. I hope this is OK. I am searching for a source which will show my previous addition was valid.

Thank you. CWatchman (talk) 17:42, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Sources are not supposed to be part of the text. That is what references are for. And per WP:REF we should use footnotes.

What precisely is the information you want to add to the present, improved version? Debresser (talk) 23:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

The text now mentions the Talmud but not the Bible. It now seems to be saying this information is only from the Talmud. Yes, the information is in the references but the average person does not read references.CWatchman (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

First of all, the Talmud is the source. The Biblical text can be understood in other ways as well. It is specifically the Talmud which proposes an interpretation in which the text comes to mean that Shalom is one of Gods names.

Secondly, even if the average person does not read all references, so what? Debresser (talk) 16:59, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

1RR

You've violated the 1RR at Sur Baher, please self-revert. nableezy - 21:05, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

That is the umpteenth time you've broken 1R , Dovid. This is getting to be persistently erratic and you didn't revert the last time I notified you of a breach.Nishidani (talk) 21:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I´ll give him one hour, and then I will report him, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Dovid appears to have a point. A POINT A POINT A POINT User:Huldra. I would strongly suggest you take this to talk to reconsider the claimed (by Dovid) consensus. Simon Irondome (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)