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Is it possible to have automatic archives on this discussion page, please? Thanks! Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I have added code that tells ClueBot III to archive the page and adds an archive box. See the bot's user page for additional parameters that can be set if the default settings are not to your liking. Huon (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Pythagoreanism

Why have you changed the category from Secret societies to Secret student societies? This is strange as the Pythagoreans were grown-ups and existed as a secret society for many years. Do you mean they were "students" of the long-dead Pythagoras? I think the former category was distinctly preferable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:49, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

In logic of arguably academically inclined, but if that's your take, you might as well recategorise it? Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:52, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Will do, many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Please consider stating a comment on the category's discussion page to you reversion as a note to any eventual further concerns? Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:04, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Freemasons and Cat:Secret societies

I have replied to your comment at Category:Freemasonry. Blueboar (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:Orientalist fraternalism

Category:Orientalist fraternalism, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. MSJapan (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Your edits...

Your recent edits to Freemasonry involved making section moves to a GA-level article without discussion. Discuss them on talk. Your change to the Freemasonry template was also not appropriate; links are where they are because of discussion. I appreciate the fact that you would like to work on articles in the Freemasonry topic area, but you are not editing in a manner which is improving the material. MSJapan (talk) 19:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the notice. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Please stop...

Your edits are disruptive. Your unilateral moving of the Grand Master page is not only incorrectly capitalized, but really was not appropriate. If you are going to continue to do what you want without discussing it with other editors, you are going to have a problem. I've had to request a technical move because of your actions, and this sort of thing needs to stop. MSJapan (talk) 18:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you please specify which edit you're referring to? Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

You moved an article without discussion. That's just wrong. Misplaced Pages has guidelines about acceptable conduct which you obviously have not read. Further disruptive edits on your part will be treated as vandalism. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

And this where you redirected "frat" (a common abbreviation for fraternity) to a dab page for "Brother". We do not redirect to dab pages, and the move was wrong yet again. You really need to seriously stop editing and find a mentor. MSJapan (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

You also redirected "Frater" to "Brother" (where the word doesn't occur), you made a cut and paste move (contrary to GPL licensing) on IOOF Hall to make a redirect out of that page, redirected "fraternites and sororities" to simply "fraternity" (which it isn't), and redirected "fraternal order" to "fraternity" (which it isn't). I really don't want to have to comb through all your edits, but if I have to, I will. You are repointing pages inappropriately as well as editing contrary to Misplaced Pages policy. MSJapan (talk) 02:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry you take one or arguably two observations into account of implying a fellow Wikipedian is a vandal. Appearently, though, your opinion isn't the only one regarding Grand Master (Masonic), as the edit I proposed had other support. Nontheless, no big deal and you may have it your way - without I calling you a vandal for it. As for the IOOF Hall there was a regular merge, so not sure what you're talking about. Regarding frat, I guess you personal experience of what "frat" usually refers to may be. However, for "frater", it is a common word for "brother", from latin if you didn't know that. Again, no big deal. Thanks for your feedback. I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for all your positive edits, by the way, we're making a better Misplaced Pages together! Chicbyaccident (talk) 06:10, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

welcome and about disambiguation

Hi Chicbyaccident, I'm glad you're contributing. I'm not an expert on navigational templates, but I like the new navigational Template:Odd Fellowship that you created and added to a number of Odd Fellows related pages.

About page moves, I don't agree with everything others have said in discussions above, but if there's likely to be any difference of opinion, it's best to use the wp:RM requested move service. That is a well-run, efficient process that brings in "outside" experts as well as any editors who are already watchlisting a given page, and comes to a good consensus decision after a one week open discussion. It seems you've rankled some others with moves that you've made without discussion, so I think it would be best for you to use the wp:RM service 100% of the time, for a while. I expect you would learn from the requested move discussions in a constructive way, without causing negative contention.

By the way I disagree with your move of Odd Fellows Lodge disambiguation page to Odd Fellows lodge. The disambiguation page was meant to cover places that specifically have the proper name Odd Fellows Lodge; it is not meant to be a general discussion of what a lodge is. A disambiguation page is not allowed to have much information at all, only what is needed for a reader to find their way to an article they are searching for. A disambiguation page is not allowed to include sources or footnotes, and it is not allowed to be the target of incoming links. With few exceptions, there should be no links to a disambiguation page because there's nothing there for readers, they are not articles. For similar reasons, there should not be mainspace categories on disambiguation pages, because that would encourage readers browsing in the categories to arrive at the page and be disappointed. (This is covered probably at wp:Disambiguation.)

I wonder if you are feeling that there ought to be an article discussing what Odd Fellows lodges/chapters/groups are like. I probably would agree with you. But the existing disambiguation pages are not that. You could create a new article on the topic of Odd Fellows lodges and/or halls or other topics whose titles are currently used by disambiguation pages at imperfect names like Odd Fellows Hall (group), and if it is a valid article with sources and so on, meeting Misplaced Pages standards for notability, that would be great. Then and only then, there could be a multiple-pages wp:RM covering the need for existing disambiguation pages to be moved out of the way, so that the new article could be moved to reside at Odd Fellows Hall, or whatever, with the disambiguation page moved to Odd Fellows Hall (disambiguation).

And perhaps there should be a list of individual local lodges (which is about the groups, the organizations, and is different than the list of buildings that currently or formerly were Odd Fellows-related). You could possibly be the one to create that other article. Because making the distinctions would be a bit complicated, it would probably be best to use the wp:AFC "Articles For Creation" service, so you'd start the article in draftspace not mainspace (i.e. at Draft:Odd Fellows lodges or whatever, then when it is ready you put a {{submit}} tag on it to request that experienced others review it and give comments or approve it moving to mainspace. I would be happy to help some, if you start a draft and want me to look at it then let me know.

Maybe you dislike the tabular format of the current List of Odd Fellows buildings. You might want for there to be a list-article formatted more like the disambiguation page Odd Fellows Hall, to replace the tabular formatting of the current List of Odd Fellows buildings. Anything is up for discussion; you could raise that at the Talk page.

You could even want for there to be a more drastic or more extensive reorganization of Odd Fellows information. Note for notable churches in Misplaced Pages, articles are usually about the combination of the organization/people and of the corresponding building(s), and we have list-articles of those churches notable for either aspect. Perhaps that is how Odd Fellows lodge coverage should be handled, avoiding the artificial separation of buildings vs. their corresponding groups. To get consensus for a big reorganization, it would be best to develop a proposal and run a proper wp:RFC Request For Comments. I for one would be happy to help you run an RFC or to get any change you want to make, considered in the proper way. I may agree or disagree with your idea for change, but I would be happy to help it be discussed properly in a way that achieves a good enough consensus.

It takes a while to learn the complications of disambiguation pages and lots more about the etiquette here. You can learn some of it by reading the policies and guidelines, but practices are not all written down and some you just learn by experience. In some areas your contributions may simply be absorbed with no issues, but sometimes it will turn out that you're out of step. One thing others may have implied above is that you should never have made any page moves; I would disagree with that and say instead that now that others have objected and you see that there can be disagreements in this area, you shouldn't make page moves in this area unilaterally. But your original boldness was good. Often it will turn out that being bold gets things done with no issues.

You're doing fine, I am glad you are here, again I like the template you created. I will remove it from the disambiguation pages, however, and I will remove links to disambiguation pages from the template. Please feel free to discuss here or at the Talk pages. I will watchlist here, but please invite me by a ping or by a note at my Talk page if I am not responding fairly promptly.

cheers, --doncram 23:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)