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| :::'''Note.''' Possibly there is some kind of academic or professional rivalry going on here in Misplaced Pages, with one academic, probably a psychologist, systematically going after and trying to delete articles and viewpoints of other psychologists. While I am not an admin skilled with sockpuppet investigations, there are disturbing patterns. For example, both Barcaboy2 and User:James Cantor have this tendency to AfD articles about other psychologists, and then vote 'Delete' in addition to nominating them, such as for (Barcaboy2 nominated, voted Delete, and Cantor voted Delete as well), (Barcaboy2 nominated and voted Delete), and (Cantor nominated, voted Delete). But overall the evidence for me is that articles about qualified professional psychologists are getting deleted when there are excellent references, as in the case of Franklin; similarly, the Ettner article should not have been deleted either; there are numerous references for her. Evidence of an academic rivalry between Franklin and psychologist ] can be found and it makes sense for us to wonder whether this rivalry is going on here in Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 18:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC) | :::'''Note.''' Possibly there is some kind of academic or professional rivalry going on here in Misplaced Pages, with one academic, probably a psychologist, systematically going after and trying to delete articles and viewpoints of other psychologists. While I am not an admin skilled with sockpuppet investigations, there are disturbing patterns. For example, both Barcaboy2 and User:James Cantor have this tendency to AfD articles about other psychologists, and then vote 'Delete' in addition to nominating them, such as for (Barcaboy2 nominated, voted Delete, and Cantor voted Delete as well), (Barcaboy2 nominated and voted Delete), and (Cantor nominated, voted Delete). But overall the evidence for me is that articles about qualified professional psychologists are getting deleted when there are excellent references, as in the case of Franklin; similarly, the Ettner article should not have been deleted either; there are numerous references for her. Evidence of an academic rivalry between Franklin and psychologist ] can be found and it makes sense for us to wonder whether this rivalry is going on here in Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 18:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :::'''Note''': I requested that ] or a different administrator restore the previous version of the article for comparison. Here it is: ]; that's the stubbed version, though. I was remembering the non-stubbed version. During the previous WP:AfD, I think Barcaboy2 and/or Tomwsulcer, and maybe others, significantly reduced the article. ] (]) 03:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Karen Franklin
AfDs for this article:- Karen Franklin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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Unimproved page re-added by editor over otherwise unanimous deletion decision.
- Delete (from nominator). All the reasons the page was deleted remain true. (Indeed, the reinstatement of the page by the single editor who opposed deletion is rather tendentious.) No new material appears in this "new" version. When asked directly what RS's are new (and when reminded that AfD is about the subject's status and not article quality), the editor refused to answer, saying only to bring it here again. (Also, rather tendentiously, IMO.) See article's talk page and the original AfD. Barcaboy2 (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. There is a little bit of new material here: the Telegraph India 2015 reference. Maybe that's enough to save this from a G4 speedy deletion. But like all the others, it briefly quotes the subject without being an in-depth story about the subject nor an in-depth look at the results of a study she conducted. So nothing of significance has changed since the previous time the article was nominated. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - I wasn't involved in the original discussion, but there seems to be reasonable RS to make this notable. It's a bit of stub, but far more here than in many BLPs.Mattnad (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Look more carefully at the sources. Most of them (especially the bigger names among them) were there in the previous AfD. They are not the in-depth coverage of the subject (or of one of her research studies) as required by WP:GNG, but rather they include quotes by the subject with a brief gloss of who she is to put the quotes in context. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. Could you be more specific, Mattnad? Which RS meets which notability guideline? Although some RS's point in the right direction, they don't cross the threshold. That is, there are quotes in media, but none are about the subject herself (which PROF requires. There are some few awards, but none are at the national level (which PROF requires). Etc.Barcaboy2 (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Regardless of past votes, the current Franklin article is solid. She won awards such as here and here. There are numerous reliable references in the NY Times and Psychology Today (which lists Franklin as an expert) and NPR and Public Record. She has a solid research record here; this article here was cited by 206 other studies; she has been published here and here and many other places. References in Psychology Today again, in Frontline, also another Frontline, plus in the Los Angeles Times and the IB Times. There are more references in the article. Clearly, Franklin easily passes the general notability guideline.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note. Possibly there is some kind of academic or professional rivalry going on here in Misplaced Pages, with one academic, probably a psychologist, systematically going after and trying to delete articles and viewpoints of other psychologists. While I am not an admin skilled with sockpuppet investigations, there are disturbing patterns. For example, both Barcaboy2 and User:James Cantor have this tendency to AfD articles about other psychologists, and then vote 'Delete' in addition to nominating them, such as for Randi Ettner (Barcaboy2 nominated, voted Delete, and Cantor voted Delete as well), Charles Allen Moser (Barcaboy2 nominated and voted Delete), and David Oliver Cauldwell (Cantor nominated, voted Delete). But overall the evidence for me is that articles about qualified professional psychologists are getting deleted when there are excellent references, as in the case of Franklin; similarly, the Ettner article should not have been deleted either; there are numerous references for her. Evidence of an academic rivalry between Franklin and psychologist James Cantor can be found here and it makes sense for us to wonder whether this rivalry is going on here in Misplaced Pages.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: I requested at my talk page that NeilN or a different administrator restore the previous version of the article for comparison. Here it is: User:Flyer22 Reborn/sandbox; that's the stubbed version, though. I was remembering the non-stubbed version. During the previous WP:AfD, I think Barcaboy2 and/or Tomwsulcer, and maybe others, significantly reduced the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)