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Page protection for Medieval Bulgarian army

• Medieval Bulgarian Army (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• BulgariaSources (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hi EdJohnston. I saw that you protected Medieval Bulgarian Army. I am wondering if you might take a look at WT:AN#BulgariaSources because I think the "MBA" IP edits may possibly be related in some way to the edits discussed in the linked ANI thread based upon , , , , , , and , etc. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

As an SPI case this wouldn't be very exciting, since semiprotection is already applied. You may have a valid complaint about long-term edit warring if this keeps up. It appears that User:BulgariaSources wants to add some tables to the article but others disagree. If you desire admin action it would be good to see some discussion on the talk page. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback EdJohnston. I did open a thread about BulgariaSources on ANI for disruptive editing on some other Bulgaria national football team and some other Bulgaria-related articles, but it was archived twice with any comments received from an administrator. So, I'm not sure if that means what they are doing is generally not considered disruptive, there was a technical problem with the way I posted, or simply that the admins were just busy dealing with other things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Things often get archived at ANI with no action, and you shouldn't take that as being an admin verdict. My point is that there is a content issue at Bulgaria national football team that nobody has considered important enough to bring to the talk page. Though I share your concern about this editor, we often try to engage them first on their content issue before talking about blocks. The article talk page is the place for content issues. I will leave a note for User:BulgariaSources. EdJohnston (talk) 14:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again EdJohnston. Just for reference, I have made a number of attempts to engage BulgariaSources in discussion about the issues mentioned in the ANI thread in edit sums, and on both the article's talk page and their usertalk a number of times. There have also been numerous user warnings placed on their talk by other editors, including blocks for edit warring and using mutlitple accounts, and they have never responded to any of them as well. I posted at ANI because all attempts made to engage them in dicscussion had failed, and they seem to have no interest in discussing things since their only response is to blank their talk page and return to making the edits in question. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Going to ANI was fine, I'm just advising you on the steps that may be needed if you think an edit warring block is justified. In a long-term edit war, we usually give the person a last chance and try to persuade them to justify their position. EdJohnston (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I understand. I believe that quite a few good faith attempts were made to engage them, but to date no response has been received from them other than to blank their user talk. I saw your post on their talk page, so perhaps this time they will choose respond and things can be worked out. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to do that and thanks for you advice on how to best proceed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

guy night mare here have a look some kind of POV bulgaria push, also deleting talkpage contents to avoid other's seeing warnings Shrikanthv (talk) 07:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Shrikanthv, this is not new behavior since the last warning. He has made no edits since 4 November. EdJohnston (talk) 15:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi again EdJohnston. Do you think this could be an language problem? I'm not trying to be facetious, but maybe they just do not feel confident enough to discuss things in English with other editors. That's the only remaining AGF possibility that I can personally come up with since they continue to make edits such as this despite the numerous requests on their user talk to engage in discussion with other editors. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:55, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Onefortyone update

• Onefortyone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Well the user seems not to adhering to consensus and his aggressive spamming of quotation is becoming lengthy now since they are cherry picking, not to mention edit warring that I pointed once. Above you have told that you "so an AE complaint is theoretically possible. The data would need to be very clear. I'll watch for now but am not planning on taking any action myself", what it means? You are not going to take action but what is "AE complaint"? Excelse (talk) 06:00, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

In principle his behavior can be reported at WP:Arbitration enforcement. I'm waiting to see if he continues to restore material to Elvis articles that is disputed by others. If that happens I'll decide whether a block is necessary. He has been sufficiently warned, but it's not 100% clear what would be a violation. The original complaint by User:Laser brain (above) was that "he is quite intent on introducing poorly sourced gossip about Elvis Presley and related subjects into various articles.." If you think Onefortyone has resumed adding the kind of material that others have disputed in the past, let me know. EdJohnston (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't you see that Excelse is one of those POV warriors who are here to remove well-sourced content from articles that is not in line with their fan view? In the past, some Elvis fans even took me to arbitration for only this reason. However, as I am always citing reliable sources in order to support my edits, these fans were banned from Elvis-related articles. In my opinion, the Misplaced Pages articles dealing with Elvis Presley should not be dominated by fans who only support 'favorable' views of the singer and endeavor to suppress any critical or unpleasant remark published in primary and secondary sources. In an article by Professor Wall there is an interesting discussion of radical policing strategies implemented over the years by Elvis fan clubs and organisations. The article clearly states that one of these strategies is " 'community policing' to achieve governance at a distance and typically effected through the various fan clubs and appreciation societies to which the bulk of Elvis fans belong. ... Policing by mobilising the organic ‘Elvis community’ – the fan and fan club networks – has been achieved in a number of different ways ..." See David S. Wall, "Policing Elvis: Legal Action and the Shaping of Post-Mortem Celebrity Culture as Contested Space". Removing content from Misplaced Pages articles is part of this strategy. Onefortyone (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I have read AE now and I would rather report to AE then, because you seem to have commented on many reports there. I have opened one there now about Onefortyone. Excelse (talk) 06:33, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The Lawsuit

Hello - I see that you created an RM on The Lawsuit. This is fine, but it needs to be moved back to its original title first - I had put in a technical request to revert an undiscussed move, which is required before starting up an RM in that situation - otherwise it can get messy for the closer of the discussion. I appreciate your work, and your attention to this! Dohn joe (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

This is too confusing for a simple revert of the original move. Please wait for the outcome of the discussion. There is no written policy for how to handle the 'Requests to revert undiscussed moves' section. Whatever admins do with that is just a local practice and ought to be subject to common sense. EdJohnston (talk) 18:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The whole point of that section is to facilitate the WP:BRD process. Most BOLD edits can simply be reverted - including to article titles. Sometimes, though, there is a procedural obstacle, so regular editors like myself cannot simply revert. That section is meant to be automatic - otherwise the system can be gamed by intentionally throwing up obstacles to routine reverting of titles. It should be up to the BOLD editor to justify making a change, not the other way around. Dohn joe (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion :-). If you think there's a policy against my action, please link to it. WP:BRD is an essay. EdJohnston (talk) 19:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, the policy comes at the other end, as I was hinting at above. WP:RM/CI requires that an RM that closes with no consensus be returned to the previous title if it was recently moved with no consensus. For our purposes, the most relevant sentence is "Therefore, if a page has been moved from a longstanding title, and it is not possible to move the page back to its original title during the discussion, the default title will be the title prior to the contested move." Since it's not possible for me to move it, but it is for an admin, most admins I've asked in this situation have agreed to perform the revert, and let the RM proceed from the "natural" direction. It's just cleaner at the closing end of things. But it's fine - the discussion will say whatever it says, and the closer will only have to take the above into account if there's no consensus one way or the other. Dohn joe (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Anonymous user is accusing me for being a sockpuppet

Hello, EdJohnston, may I have your attention for a minute? There seems to be a case of a planned campaign to reduce my and other user's reputation and stir bad rumors about us due to our work in articles related to the Balkans (which fall under discretionary sanctions and are of high political debate). More specifically, an anonymous user with the IP 45.33.130.46 is accusing me (User:SilentResident) for being sockpuppet of the User:Athenean. This incident happened today the morning, at the following talk page: User talk:Edvini (Date: 11 November 2015, section title: Possible). I suspect this accident may be related to another similar accident that took place, 2 months ago, at my own talk page: User talk:SilentResident (Date: 2 September 2015, section title: Canvassing, Breaking the spirit of the 3rr). I don't think all this is a mere coincidence. Can this be looked at by you or by other administrators, please? The User:Evensteven has suggested your attention in the first incident, and now I really need the administrator's attention this time, because another such a case happened again right now. I suspect there must be a link between these two accidents, it is way too coincidental for this to be unrelated to each other. I do not know who else to ask, or which is the most appropriate option to take when such suspicious suggestions target me or aim to reduce my and other people's reputations. --SilentResident (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The IP range at 45.33.128.0/20 belongs to Cloudmosa.com. I am tempted to do a webhost block of that range, but have set things in motion by filing at WP:OP. Will let you know if anything further happens. EdJohnston (talk) 15:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated. --SilentResident (talk) 17:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

EdJohnston, I don't know if this helps, but there is something suspicious that caught my attention now, and I want to report it to you. The anonymous user, 45.33.130.46, who made today (11 November 2015) these sockpuppet accusations against me and the User:Athenean, in User:Edvini's Talk Page, happened only some days after the User:Edvini himself made the same type of accusation against the User:TU-nor and the User:Alexikoua, in TU-nor's talk page here: . Is striking to me, because I do not believe in coincidences. The fact that a single user (in this case, Edvini) to be involved into two separate sockpuppet claims against 4 different Misplaced Pages users, both in a direct manner (against TU-nor and Alexikoua) and indirectly (through 45.33.130.46's comments on his talk page, against me and Athenean), can only raise suspicions. I feel obliged to clarify that the user Edvini cannot be held responsible for 45.33.130.46's claims against me and Athenean in Edvini's talk page, but the fact that Edvini himself was involved in a very similar case against 2 other Wiki users, at Octomber 2015, only a few days ago from today, is worrisome, let alone that I myself have received 2 sockpuppetting accusations already in such a short time period. --SilentResident (talk) 18:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Editor unblocked

I have lifted a block you placed. There was an unblock request at User talk:Stolichanin, undertaking not to edit the article affected by the edit-warring which led to the block. Usually, I consult the blocking admin before unblocking, but this time I thought that an undertaking not to edit the article in question at all pretty clearly removed the reason for the block, and also your block log, saying "There seems no other way to get your attention" seemed to imply that the purpose of the block had been fulfilled now that the editor had made a positive response. I trust that under those circumstances you won't object to unblocking, but please let me know if for any reason you do. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I was thinking that this user might have had a previous account, but it's hard to act on that suspicion one way or the other. Since he's unblocked I'll go ahead and give an alert under WP:ARBEE. EdJohnston (talk) 14:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Question about discretionary sanctions

Hi Ed, do you know where the best place is to ask this type of question? "Can I place a restriction on an editor requiring them to get permission from an admin before switching to a new account and/or requiring them to list all old accounts on their user page?" --NeilN 15:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

You could try posting at WT:AE. Arbcom itself has sometimes told people to use a single account. If you are thinking of imposing such a requirement on that person as a discretionary sanction, then they would need to have been alerted and you would need to mention the case that would justify the action. For some reason people often refuse to list old accounts. Possibly you know the old accounts already and just want to get them listed somewhere, which is reasonable. An alternative (if they won't agree to list them) is to open a pro forma SPI in which you give the names of the old accounts but don't request any action. EdJohnston (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I'll just get your opinion? Before this editor was indeffed, they had a two week block for socking. They had a history of edit warring in contentious areas covered by discretionary sanctions (Palestine/Israel, Syria), retiring, and then opening a new account and doing the same thing over again. They insist their accounts were not used in parallel and not created to avoid scrutiny but it's hard to buy that (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Spliff_Joint_Blunt/Archive). If the original two week block had been kept, I was planning to impose the restrictions described above. Thoughts? --NeilN 16:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

You must be asking for the case of a serial sockmaster who isn't already indef blocked on their main account. Sounds like it would be an infrequent case. EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

How to request that an article be fixed and re-worked for accuracy and clarity

Hi There,

I was wondering if you can point me in the right direction to request that an article get's fixed for accuracies, updated or removal of outdated information, new sources and clarity? It's This Article.

Thank you and have a great day Smooth Lawyer (talk) 19:53, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

You're speaking about List of unaccredited institutions of higher education. In my opinion, the people who are tryng to maintain this article have chosen a tough assignment. I hope you find yourself able to participate in good faith on the talk page. Some of your edits there suggest that off-wiki interests might have brought you to the article. If so then the WP:COI guideline may be of interest. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Attacks and blanked user talk

Hi Ed!

I have a question. I put a warning in the user 186.151.51.159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and he blanked the page. Later, he attacked me in the summary. He told me "so shut your mouth!". What can I do in this case? Thanks. --Bleckter (talk) 05:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

The article White Latin American is now semiprotected per this AN3 complaint. Per WP:OWNTALK he can blank his own user talk whenever he wants to. I suggest ignoring the personal attack for now. If you want to continue working on the article, you can do so. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:04, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear Johnston, I ask you before you get into a situation by force, you also have to check more thoroughly, Mr. Bleckter (a Mexican IP is now a user), the fool mistook genetic data with race, and the page white latin american speaks WHITE RACE NO GENETIC DATA, if you wish, I will not return to put the data table of 1940, but it is necessary to return the data of Argentina and Costa Rica with its fountains. You understood? or I explain you with apples?. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.151.51.159 (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

PD.It is obvious that Mr. Becker pretends to be the victim. Say "shut your mouth", do not offend anyone. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.151.51.159 (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

You should be holding this discussion at Talk:White Latin American. And please ease off on the personal attacks like 'shut your mouth', and 'tonto'. An editor with your background should not find it difficult to create a Misplaced Pages account. You should also know how to sign your posts. Anybody who wants to work on race-related topics like White Latin American has my sympathy. The work is technically difficult and there is no definition of success -- others may still disagree even if you do a good job technically. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Palomaris is back vandalizing Food irradiation

• Palomaris (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Palomaris ban has apparently ended and is once more back at Food irradiation.

Bellow are the edits to the main page:

• , ,

Below is the gloating for his "victory" of harassing a previous editor until he quit on the talk page:

• , , ,

You can see the edits, I leave this to your discretion.104.2.168.238 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I've left a warning at User talk:Palomaris. His theory that irradiation doesn't make any chemical changes in food appears to be contradicted by the sources in the article. EdJohnston (talk) 01:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding discretionary sanctions

As you have mention about discretionary sanctions on my talk which state that I have been sanction to edit meena page.so i am asking you if I edit that page andmahensingha again rapidly revert that page what should I do in that case?. Thanks Jalodiya (talk) 19:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

New users editing caste articles often try to promote the caste. In some cases, they exaggerate its historical stature using sources which are not considered scholarly. (Everyone wants their caste to be warriors). Admins generally have a free hand to issue sanctions regarding such articles, because caste has caused so much trouble in the past. You would be well advised to read the talk page carefully and ask experienced people for advice. If you keep on reverting User:Mahensingha you risk being blocked or banned. But if you wait to reach agreement on the talk page (before editing the article) you will be on safe ground. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Jalodiya (talk) 02:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)you are saying that the content which was added by me provided with there citation cannot be restore by reverting mahensingha edits.If I do so I will get blocked.I have also add discussion on Talk page of Meena regarding several topic which are to be edit because user like Mahensingha have totally disrupted the article by adding controversial and political content which is very dangerous thing.

I am requesting you to clarify my doubt regarding edits on meenas page. Thanks.02:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Jalodiya (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)"This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing." Does that means that If I add some content on meena It can be only reverted by the admin only.

I am also requesting you to stop relating me with Meenas.The only thing which persuade me to edit Meenas page is that user like Mahensingha are try to demote and suppressing good facts about this caste,which is not a good practice. Thanks. 03:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

You risk a block if you restore your material at Meena again before you have found a consensus in its favor. Questions about the usability of sources can be asked at the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I see you have removed material from the article that was cited to Nandini Sinha Kapur. She is an author who has been published by Oxford University Press, which seems to make her respectable. See WP:Dispute resolution for how to resolve disagreements. WP:SIGN explains how to sign your posts. You should put your name at the end, not the beginning. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Myanma election article move

• Myanmar general election, 2015 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Ed. I'm not going to take this to MR, but I would like to try and understand the rationale behind the close. Although I appreciate that there was a majority in favour of this move, I had hoped that I had rebutted their arguments successfully. If editors were against the use of "Myanma" for whatever reason, the proper alternative was "Burmese" (as this is still in use even when the country name Myanmar is used - see e.g. here). Thanks, Number 57 12:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Here are two of the comments by contributors to the move discussion that I found especially persuasive:

• User:IgnorantArmies: “..Misplaced Pages tends to avoid unusual or non-standard demonyms..”
• User:Old Naval Rooftops: "Burmese" isn't a serious option because we don't need another round of Myanmar-related edit wars.”

If people are here to look up a topic, we shouldn't place extra hurdles in their path. Though the demonym 'Myanma' exists in English text (as shown by Google) it is not a familiar one. As I type this, my spell-checker is putting a red line under 'Myanma' because it thinks it's a misspelling. That was my impression too as I was looking at the list of moves to close. I take it your view is that when a demonym exists in English, however obscure, it should always be used. EdJohnston (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the cited comments: Old Naval Rooftops actually opposed the move, stating "The English-language adjectival form is Myanma", and IgnorantArmies' response actually supports my above suggestion that Burmese would have been a better option as they state that one form of adjective is preferred over another – not using a noun.

My view is that the adjectival form should be used as per the guideline, which is why I would be ok with "Burmese", but not "Myanmar". Number 57 21:32, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Also, regarding the "placing extra hurdles in their path" comment, there was already a redirect – I don't see how anyone could have failed to find the article. Number 57 21:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hi Ed. Please block this participant. He is engaged in vandalism in my page. Also writes any mucks in the Azerbaijani language. Here you can examine vandalism examples - here and here. Thanks in advance.--Nicat49 (talk) 23:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Your last statement

• WP:AE#Jaakobou

Your last statement is not entirely correct. I was pushed to the limits of my patience by the support for anti-Israeli language. The group doing so, handed out barnstars to each other after their success. The reason I was topic-banned was due to finding consensus when it wasn't as clear as I thought it was. That and repeated complaints about the misconduct of a few users which were deemed not strong enough. I did not use my account to fight that lost battle or appeal the sanction. I wanted to set the record straight about the polemics policy. But you've stated your bias and ignored the questions so I'm basically talking to the wind here. Jaakobou 19:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

If you disagree with your AE sanction you can appeal to the arbitration committee. The way you've been bringing up your 2012 dispute with Tiamut repeatedly in different venues does look like forum-shopping. But going to Arbcom would not be forum shopping. When you posted at User talk:Callanecc/Archive 20#Review of past issues you did not reveal that you had received a topic ban in 2012 because of your insistence on that very issue. Failure to be candid about past events may have hurt any argument you would otherwise have for getting your ban lifted. The canvassing about the WP:UP RfC that has been documented on your talk page by User:Serialjoepsycho didn't help either. EdJohnston (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Your name has been invoked

Hi, Ed. Your name has been invoked without a ping at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Logos. - Location (talk) 21:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)