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Credits

Should commercial credits be listed as if they were movie/tv credits?

Album title

Someone needs to make a page for Telegraph so when you click on it you get the album information instead of the dictijjjj

onary definition of 'telegraphy'.

Which I am trying to do, but someone is editing as the same time I am. You have to make a page called Telegraph (album) because of the multiple meanings of the word "Telegraph".

Accident date

Drake's accident was on December 30, 2005. Not January 2006. Go to his official message board for proof.

Picture

Thanks to the member who put a more recent picture up on the main page. When I put a picture up they deleted it because they said it violated copyright.

They tend to do that Mad Jack 15:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

seinfeld

i'm pretty sure i saw him on seinfeld in the episode 'the frogger' as the kid who is playing it when jerry an george walk into mario's pizza. any clarifications>

Yes, according to IMDb, he did play "Kenny" on Seinfeld. Sharp eye you have there. -- Zanimum 21:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Home Improvement

Drake Bell guested in the show Home Improvement as a young kid visiting Tim Taylor. Can anybody add that to the main page?

College

Drake rocks! Whenever I click on the College link, it sends me to the definition of college and all that stuff. Also, I think we should add "College" to his television and movie roles.

Can someone fix the main page?

Whoever edited this last time did a terrible job. It's a mess with visable code. & mention of fan clubs do NOT belong in the main article.

Personal Life

Is it necessary to mention Melissa Lingafelt (or previously Stevie Ryan?) Unless signficant others are famous or important in their own right--see Yoko Ono, Linda Eastman McCartney, does it warrant to include Melissa who other than being the runner up to Miss Teen USA does not belong on Drake Bell's Misplaced Pages page?

Yes it is necessary as she is part of his life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.102.193 (talk) 01:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Footnotes

"As a kid Drake went to Jackson Memorial Middle School." That's not a footnote. Can someone move it to a more appropriate location?

a rather short combat!

The film is about a squadron of American pilots who fought the Japanese in Asia immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor, prior to the United States' entry into World War II.

Washington time, the attack on Pearl Harbor took place about noon on December 7. Congress declared war about twenty-four hours later. So even if you argue that the U.S.--having lost more than 2,000 men and several ships at Pearl Harbor, and having taken a pasting in the Philippines as well--was not at war until Congress acted, that was still a very short period of time.

And in fact the AVG Flying Tigers weren't in combat until December 20.

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Sales Figures Totals

Interesting although-- U.S.sales: 550,000 + U.K sales: 20,000

Does NOT equal 6,400,000 worldwide copies sold.

If Drake had sold six MILLION album copies right now, he'd be a solo headliner and not on the NEXTFEST tour. That total is wrong.75.75.176.243 14:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Movie chart needs to be fixed

Someone messed up the columns. 75.75.176.243 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:53, August 25, 2007 (UTC).

Jerry Maguire

I've removed a reference to someone with whom Bell supposedly acted in Jerry Maguire -- IMDB gives an exhaustive list of credits, but none for this name. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

yes it does, ive just checked it and it says he plays Jesse Remo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116695/fullcredits#cast Evando (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Dixie State College

Could someone mention that Drake Bell is coming to the Burns Arena @ Dixie State College in St. George, Utah? Other concerts could be mentioned as well.--Matau 16:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

His name

Yes, we know his real name is Jared Drake Bell. He is NOT well known by that name, so stop trying to change the image captions, images, infoboxes, et al to Jared Drake Bell. Thanks. phoenixMourning ( t - c ) 23:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

need source?

Dear IP 84... Can you please provide the full source for the long quotation under "Third Album"? Thanks, Renee Renee (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

the page

it seems a bit messed up, ive tried to fix it but i dont know what the hell has been done, any tips and if i could have some tips i'd clean it up or i'll leave it to someone else Evando (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC).

What.

"- At around 10 years old, Drake acted in the 1996 film as."

This is my favorite line on Misplaced Pages, but unfortunately, I'm afraid it should probably be changed. What was it supposed to be?96.225.231.118 (talk) 08:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Drake is not in an associated act with Josh Peck, Josh Peck only made various sound effects in one song, Circles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrumy21 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

See Template:Infobox_Musical_artist#Associated_acts for inclusion requirements. I removed all that were listed as none of them qualified. --NrDg 01:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't the only thing, Drake Bell & Josh Peck covered the Blue Brothers "soul man" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Prasad (talk • contribs) 01:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Merry X-mas drake and josh

it looks so funny! they commited a crime? in the sneak peek they have a parol officer named perry! 71.108.172.26 (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Drake and Josh

Could someone please add that a sneak peak has been released. It is viewable on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.167.86 (talk) 23:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

<------> FINALLY!! caught; Drake Bell loves Amanda Bynes in Janurary 2009 ^ the above is completely untrue 90.198.218.183 (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Filmography and Discography

What happened to his filmography and discography. this is a major part of his career which really needs to be on this article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.9.140.148 (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Fix the page

could somebody please correct the things that are wrong in the page. it seems someone took the liberty by adding inacurate things just to be funny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.129.148.213 (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Filmography

Should be expanded and in columnsJeneral28 (talk) 10:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Another Hoax

It has been reported today on the news radio that he has died? Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garr1984 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

• We Don't Know who reported it, but unless AP or Reuters reports it, I wouldn't recommend changing the article.Er Wer Schreib Es (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course it's not true. This is a common hoax for almost all well-known people and is also a common form of vandalism of wiki bio articles. I think this is the third or fourth time Bell has "died" so far. --NrDg 00:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Nude pictures

There are nude pictures of him floating around. Should this be added? I have a link but don't want to get kicked for posting it. Anyone hear of this? Puckeylut (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I feel something should be mentioned, I was just inadvertently linked to said pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.199.117 (talk) 02:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Reply No, a link to the photos should not be posted in this article. There are many nude photos that purport to be of celebrities, but most of the photos are photoshopped and are not actually of the celebrity whose face appears in them. Also, Misplaced Pages is not a collection of fan pages and care must be taken to ensure that it doesn't look like one. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
  • And apart from that by no means would that be classed as encyclopedic material. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 14:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

iCarly Appearance

There is no such episode of iCarly called "The New Face" and all episodes of the show start with 'i'. Also do you think it should be metioned that iCarly takes place in the same universe as Drake & Josh (as in they metion the same shows and all use 'Pear' products as a parody of apple). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.104.183 (talk) 04:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Drake Bell will might be on Now Vol. 33 (U.S. series)

Drake Bell will might on Now Vol. 33 (U.S. series) soon. Drake Bell will might start on his third album comparing to Now Vol. 33 (U.S. series) soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.87.23 (talk) 01:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced rumors do not belong on Misplaced Pages. - 02:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Third Album

Drake Bell well be having a new third album in 2010. Drake Bell is still working on his third album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierceybrian22 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced rumors do not belong on Misplaced Pages. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Full Name

Is Bell's name actually "Jared Drake Bell" or is it just "Drake Bell" the name "Jared Drake Bell" has been listed in the article's introduction for a while now but has yet to be sourced. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Drake Bell on the third album

Drake Bell still working on his third album soon in Summer, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.41.207 (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Without a reliable source for that, we have nothing but a rumor, which we cannot use. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Possible to warn last person who abused the page?

I recently corrected the name in the bar at the side backto Drake Bell after someone stupidly put Damon Holt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pesa123456789 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Question

When is Drake Bell's third album well be released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierceybrian23 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Unprotection

Someone please unprotect Drake Bell's page so we can make edits.

Go to WP:RFUP for this request. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

New picture

Can someone please add a more recent picture? Flipflame (talk) 20:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The picture in the article is from 2007, about 7 years ago. The picture NEEDS to be updated. CanadianDude1 (talk) 05:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I tried, it got deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Prasad (talk • contribs) 02:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 March 2013

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In September 2012, it was confirmed that Bell's new album will be released early 2013, sometime during the spring. Drakebellfan12 (talk) 04:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Can you provide a reliable source? Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 April 2013

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Budmartin (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC) Producer/Recording Engineer/Musician Bud Martin produced and mixed most of Drakes early recordings from the Chasing Destiny era including Lost A Lover. He also played bass on many of the songs.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri 16:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

APRIL 19 2014: IT IS NOT YET APRIL 22ND, 2014...

Hi, I just switched out the past tense used in the final sentences of the opening for the proper future tense that should be applied to an April 22nd, 2014 release date that obviously has yet to arrive at any time zone on earth as it's still circa three days away to most of the world... Unless April 22nd is the mistake and the release date is actually another day, in which case my apologies for being unaware, however really, that's actually so much worse... lol :P

Anyways I'm about to check the rest of the article for similar writing issues, as it's truly inexplicably bizarre to me that the ones I found ever came into existence in the first place... =/

With all due respect, -Bliss 182 (talk) 13:20, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Picture Update

The page uses a picture from 2007, can someone update it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Prasad (talk • contribs) 05:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Commercials

Should his acting work in commercials be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Prasad (talk • contribs) 00:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Other Misplaced Pages Articles

Other Misplaced Pages articles have different chart positions https://nl.wikipedia.org/Drake_Bell -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 02:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Whirlpool discrepancy

So IMDB says the Whirlpool commercial was 1990, which means he was either 3 or 4 years old, not 5. Not sure what to do about this. Kendall-K1 (talk) 02:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

This source says 5. http://www.starpulse.com/Actors/Bell,_Drake/Biography/ -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Also his bio on Pandora says "Though he had been acting since he was five, when he was filmed in his first commercial" http://www.pandora.com/drake-bell?bio -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

My point is that we have several sources that contradict each other. One solution would be to point out the discrepancy in the article, with refs to both sets of sources. Another would be to simply ignore the problem. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Understandable: But IMDB is not a reliable source, If you have an account, you can change it, I could do it right now if I wanted to. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

"12 awards out of 17 nominations."

"Drake Bell has won 12 awards out of 17 nominations."

This is synthesis that really means "Bell has won 12 out of 17 nominations for awards that Misplaced Pages feels are significant enough to include in this section, based on research conducted by whomever wrote this sentence." Bell certainly has be nominated for (and won or lost) various other awards. Perhaps some of them belong in this section. Perhaps not. Even if we got it right, we are combining wins and nominations selected by our own criteria. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Philanthropist

We should be calling Bell a philanthropist only if he is repeatedly called that by third party sources. Basically every notable actor/athlete supports charities. They're not all called "philanthropists". --NeilN 04:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

He is the face of the Thirst Project. And I've seen GAs subjects that are being called philanthropists when they are not called it, there is just a bunch of info of donations and charities, such as Taylor Swift. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:06, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Swift has been recognized by independent third parties for her charitable work. --NeilN 04:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

And now you're using press releases as sources. --NeilN 05:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Drake Bell, comedian?

There appears to be disagreement about adding "comedian" to his list of qualifications. This is in part because a YouTube video is being used as a source. But other issues are of concern too. Quoting the relevant part of the interview, "The last ten years of my life I've been on comedy shows, I've been a comedian." That doesn't seem sufficient to define him as a comedian. He's an actor who does comedy. He's never stood up in front of an audience and told jokes, to my knowledge. So I'm not sure even if it could somehow be used as a reference, it's enough to list him as a comedian, since it's not a job for which he's mostly known. This is also coming from Bell himself. If other third party sources have reported on this, then it would be appropriate to add, I think. --‖ Ebyabe - Attract and Repel ‖ 02:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, Ebyabe, looking at ref 9 of the article, http://parade.com/308718/ashleighschmitz/drake-bell-on-his-big-idea-for-bringing-back-totally-kyle/, it does say "Drake Bell first charmed TV viewers in 1994 with a stint on Home Improvement in 1994, and hasn’t looked back since. In the last 20 years, the actor-musician-sketch comedian has branched out from smaller roles to become the leading man (on a Nickelodeon’s hugely popular Drake & Josh) and a rockabilly singer in the image of one of his idols, Brian Setzer." -- Deadpool100 (talk) 05:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Protected

I have full protected the article for a day given the recent BLP violations by auto-confirmed account, which the previous semi-protection did not prevent. If there is any material that needs to be added during that period please propose it here (keeping in mind that WP:BLP applies to talk-pages too) along with relevant sources, gain consensus for the addition and post a edit-request. If there are any BLP violations in the current version that need to be removed, ping me or any other administrator. Abecedare (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I misread the time-stamps in the revision history; the semi-protection was indeed working and there was only one sub-par edit after it had been applied, and several improvements. So I have restored the previous semi-protection. Apologies for the confusion. Abecedare (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Suggested correction

Drake Bells birthday is incorrect Drakebell4everyes (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Provide a source, please. -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2015

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Please delete the comma after "(born June 27, 1986),"

The sentence:

• Jared Drake Bell (born June 27, 1986), is an American actor, singer-songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist.

(in the first sentence of the article) 12.180.133.18 (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

12.180.133.18 (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

•  Done Done. Dwpaul 12:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Protection

I think this page should be protected indefinitely...it is evident that the second this page is unprotected, it will be vandalized. Other pages like Drake and Josh and Heath Bell are being vandalized, too with the same "transphobic asshole" phrase.--ABCDEFAD_✉ 22:11, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Caitlyn Jenner comments

Does anyone besides me think that there should be a controversy section added to recent events? Osh33m (talk) 02:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Osh33m. We cannot add anything unless we have good quality reliable sources covering it (not tabloids). With these types of things I like to apply the ten year test, only cut down a bit. In a couple years, do you think anyone will still be mentioning the incident? --NeilN 03:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

NeilN probably not, but due to current events it does seem very fitting. and because it is such a hot topic right now i'm sure we can find legitimate sources if we so wish to put it on this article. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6590037/drake-bell-apology-caitlyn-jenner Osh33m (talk) 03:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@Osh33m: Well... WP:NOTNEWS? --NeilN 13:11, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

As an example, the John Rhys-Davies wikipedia article includes controversial comments of his he said in 2004. This would be the same thing here. Only now it'll be more recent. Osh33m (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Drake Bell Transphobic Error

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Under the occupation section it says: "transphobic". First off I'm pretty sure that's incorrect grammar. Secondly, being trans-phobic is not an occupation, so either move that trait elsewhere or remove it. 2601:D:5880:145:A444:D8E0:6EFC:1689 (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Never you mind, JP -- it was taken care of and the article is watch listed by several editors. Your block evasion really needs to stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Two official websites?

Looks like Bell has another official website aside from http://drakebell.com, and that is http://drakebelllive.com/. And it appears to be for his music, as both websites link to each other. Is there a way to put TWO official websites, and if so, can someone place it there please, since the page is fully protected? -- DragonBall207 (talk) 11:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Drake Bell filmography

Drake's filmography is getting incredibly long. Is it time to move it over to a filmography page or not quite? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Arguing on how we should address his name

Most people seeing this article will know he's known by "Drake Bell". Plus, it's the article name and above his picture. Do we really need it in the lead as well? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No need for restating it in the lead when part of his legal identity. The article title does already indicate that he is known as "Drake Bell". Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:16, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Renaming the 2015-present section

Right now it's named "Films and music-career threatening injury", but considering the sold out in minutes tour of Mexico and the new Dan is Dead series, I think the name should be changed. Problem is, I'm not sure what to change it to. Thoughts? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 05:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Orange Country High School of the Arts

Found a source for it, but unsure where to place as he started acting at 5 (so I'm not sure if it can be placed in early life), also, don't see how to indicate he dropped out to pursue his career. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Car accident

Sources here, as apparently I can't put back anything without being a revert: http://www.today.com/id/10707036/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/nickelodeon-star-recovering-after-car-accident/#.Vph-2_krLIU http://www.eonline.com/news/51371/drake-bell-survives-car-crash http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20061862,00.html

Citation needed tags

They should not be removed, social media sources are reliable if by a verified account, dead links should not be deleted, but checked for an archive and marked. Most of there were incorrect edits. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

This article is a BLP. Content that is unsourced or poorly sourced is eligible for immediate deletion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

You're using your interpretation on what is "poorly sourced" or not. Some sources here could be challenged as reliable or not, especially social media sources, according to WP:SELFSOURCE. Also, dead links/unreliable sources are supposed tagged, not deleted. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss the sources and why you think the sources are reliable/verifiable. At least two Twitter sources re-added do not meet the criteria for selfsource. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:39, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know and remember, the Inquisitr is not considered a reliable source. Same with Talking Comic Books. It is a site that has readers write articles, therefore, there is not journalistic oversight. Screen Daily looks a little iffy and tabloid-ish. Digital Spy, owned by Hearst, looks okay. As far as this quote, "a complete concept record. Getting in a time machine and going back to the 40's and 50's." -- yes, it is taken out of context from the tweet. As stated earlier today, the "Gracias a mis fans de México "Bull" ya esta en el Top 10" tweet doesn't give enough information to verify if the tweet is giving real information or not. The photo included has no date on it and could, for all we know, be a fabrication by Bell or whomever handles his Twitter account. Surely, there is a better source for this that isn't primary, isn't Twitter? As it is, this selfsource Twitter "reference" doesn't meet the selfsource guideline as it gives data that is unverifiable and promotes Bell from his own Twitter account. Comments? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:54, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Get a discussion from the reliable sources noticeboard, possibly. This mindless reverting is getting ridiculous. You're removing reliable sources as well. From a quick look, the only other questionably reliable source I can get that discusses "Bull" charting at all, is his record label, Surfdog's Website, which states it's in the Top 10 on Mexican Radio. Besides that, I saw a source from a school newspaper from a high school he did a concert at, and I'm semi-positive this is not reliable, and neither is Buzzfeed. I can assure you, Bell runs his own account (obviously due to the Bieber comments).

Stop re-adding bad sources, primary sources that aren't verifiable, and unreliable sources. Stop edit warring and having a battleground mentality, Joseph. If you keep this up, you will end up blocked yet again. Next time, possibly for much longer than the last 6-month block imposed on you for the exact same behavior you are exhibiting now. I'm done with this for tonight, but will be back in due time to correct the errors in sourcing you keep introducing. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:16, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Winkelvi, you are the one who made the bold move of reverting - hence you were the one who was suppose to discuss this in the first place as per the BRD cycle. And you're not edit warring? Stop putting blame on anyone but yourself. You are not supposed to revert while the discussion is going. And obviously again, you're doing this in spite of me. I have over 600+ edits on the article, working on it. And I'm the only major editor who has made any substantial contribution to the article in a long time. It is the most obvious spite I've ever seen on here. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:19, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

If, according to you, no one should revert while discussion is ongoing, why do you think it's acceptable for you to revert and edit war. Not to mention continue to add bad, unreliable, and primary sources that don't meet guidelines? It doesn't matter how many contributions you have made to this article. You don't own it and you don't have a final say on what stays and what goes, what's a good source and what's not. No one's doing anything to you out of spite. The only one doing anything to you is you -- still denying you have any responsibility for your actions, still edit-warring on articles you feel you own. Barely a month off a 6-month long block, and you're back to the same behavior you said you'd abandoned. You're disrupting and you need to stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

At first, it was a matter of restoring the page to the way it was before the edit war. Yet you seemed to not accept that. I never said it was acceptable. I was just pointing out the fact you never take responsibility for your actions, I know I'm edit warring, but you're so much more experienced than me, how come you can't see you doing yourself?. Me pointing out my contributions adds to the suspicion of spite. With my amount of edits on the article, the fact I'm the main one who made major contributions, and the fact you seem to be only doing this here, it seems quite fishy. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 05:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)≤

Last off-topic comment: Not everything is about you and neither are my edits at this article. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 09:21, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

I have revisited the re-insertion of unreliable sources and unverifiable sources as well as sources that are not adequate per policy on WP:SELFSOURCE.

• This edit removed the associated content that was taken out of context as Tweeted by Drake Bell. He was talking about his concept for the album before the album was made. As written, the reader is led to believe the statement was made after the album was complete - which was not the case. The statement needs to be written to reflect this and nothing else.

• This edit removed the associated reference and a CN tag was placed instead. Talking Comic Books is not a reliable source - it is a blog website written by readers; there is no oversight, therefore, it is not reliable to be used as a secondary source.

• This edit removed claim of charitable donations as, per BLP policy, it needs to be supported by a secondary source. In this case, it was supported only by a primary/selfsource of Bell's website. Because it is a grandiose, self-serving claim (donating large amounts of money to charities), it needs a reliable, secondary source per policy.

• This edit removed content per BLP policy. The claim was that Bell's band started in 2003 - the source cited stated nothing about when Bell's band formed.

• This edit was twofold: Content was removed that was not supported by a reliable, verifiable source. The Tweet used as a source was only of a screen shot/photo of a list of songs - there was no date, no context, nothing to verify that what was being shown was even relevant to the Top Ten claim in the content. A reliable, verifiable source need to be provided in order for the content to be restored. The accompanying content then had to be rewritten to match the removal of the questionable, challenged and unsourced content. Again, an unverifiable Tweet is not appropriate sourcing for a BLP.

-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Extending a personal invitation to Joseph Prasad to discuss the changes made and the point-by-point notated above regarding each rather than edit warring (as he chose to do here). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

1. Drake probably already made the album, or was in the process. Since the record was cut live, it didn't take as much production. Plus, Billboard stated the album was set to be released in early 2013. So it was probably done for quite a while before the album came out.

2. While not entirely sure on reliability, I found two sources - one here and another here.

3. I could find a couple of sources on Toys for Tots, one here. The other one is on the blacklist, so I couldn't list it.

4. While not entirely sure when the band was formed, it had to be before 2003 - as Amanda Bynes here calls the band Drake 24/7, and The Amanda Show aired from 1999-2002.

5. Trying to archive it shows the site is not compatible with the Wayback Machine. I do see this confirms the "Bull" charting.

That was just skimming. Took me about ten minutes. I can do more if you'd like. Tell me if you have a problem with anything here. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

• • Point 1: "probably already made the album" -- isn't encyclopedic reasoning, is original research, and isn't proof to support the context you have tried to put it into. "it was probably done for quite a while before the album came out." -- still proves nothing. In order to put the quote accurately into the context you did, we would have to have a solid source supporting that the album was completed at the time the comment was made.

• • Point 2: "While not entirely sure on reliability, I found two sources" If the sources are reliable and directly apply to the content, they can replace the unreliable one. IF they are reliable.

• • Point 3: "I could find a couple of sources on Toys for Tots" If that source is reliable, then that charity can be listed, but not the others without reliable sourcing.

• • Point 4: "While not entirely sure when the band was formed, it had to be before 2003" That's original research. Not good enough, but you already know that.

• • Point 5: "...therichest.com..." Not a reliable source.

-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

1. I don't see how so. He had the idea for the album ever since he signed to Surfdog Records. Going to the 40s and 50s was confirmed obviously when the album released. He said "rehearsed for five days and cut the whole record live". Confirming it took no time at all. Although, looking at another tweet of his, "first day of recording" was during July 2013. So I don't understand the Billboard source at all.

2. Okay, the reliably there can be challenged. I guess if someone else decides to challenge it.

3. Yes, Surfdog is reliable as it is his record label's website.

4. Yes, but since it is from The Amanda Show, I could say something along the lines of: "formed his band during The Amanda Show" or something.

5. And... who are you to say that?

-- Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

"He had the idea for the album ever since he signed to Surfdog Records." Which is precisely my point. Having the album concept in mind before it is produced is fine, and he can be quoted saying as much. But you cannot take the quote out of context (as you did) and make it sound like the quote was stated after the album was made (which was the context it was in before I removed it). Make sense now?

"Yes, but since it is from The Amanda Show, I could say something along the lines of: "formed his band during The Amanda Show" or something." Only if you have a reliable source stating definitively that's when the band was formed. You can't use WP:SYNTH to put A+B together to get = OR/SYNTH.

-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:59, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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