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::Redundancy is not an opinion. The sentence is not needed in the least. If you want to go to ] over it, be my guest. For example, I don't mind wasting editors' time at all by starting a ] on this trivial matter. ] (]) 06:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::Redundancy is not an opinion. The sentence is not needed in the least. If you want to go to ] over it, be my guest. For example, I don't mind wasting editors' time at all by starting a ] on this trivial matter. ] (]) 06:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
*Just for the record, I want to confirm that Flyer 22's block log is the result of a genuine "My brother did it" episode. I communicated with Flyer by email at the time (as did other admins), and I was convinced that she was not guilty of any abuse herself - and the block that I made was indeed to help her secure her account, as I noted in the log. In fact, none of the blocks is a result of any misbehaviour by Flyer 22. ] (]) 08:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
== Verbal Violence ==
== Verbal Violence ==
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I read an abstract once of a study saying women with higher education married to men with lower education than them had higher risk of being abused. Does anyone happen to have the citation of this? (I know the reverse seems to be the case in Bangladesh, so presumably there's some confounding factor here.)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwibird (talk • contribs) 08:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, now I found it. Martin (2007)
, cites Johnson (2003) as saying that "women with higher education were at greater risk of being physically and sexually assaulted by their partners", although other studies have also shown that unemployed women are at higher risk of marital rape, not sure how to interpret all this. (Martin 2007 seems to be a very good review.)
Violence against children: UN Secretary-General's study (2006) and UNICEF report (2014)
I am placing citations to these sources here in the hope that some editors will find the material useful for working into the article. I haven't had time to go through them myself, but may add material later. In the meantime, I have placed links to the source Web pages in the External links section. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 03:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Pinheiro, Paulo Sérgio (2006). "Violence against children in the home and family". World Report on Violence Against Children. Geneva, Switzerland: United Nations Secretary-General's Study on Violence Against Children. ISBN92-95057-51-1. {{cite book}}: External link in |chapterurl= (help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl= ignored (|chapter-url= suggested) (help)
Thank you Coconutporkpie. I think this article is in desperate need of such material. It appears terribly weighted toward couples only (for some unknown reason and which already has its own article page intimate partner violence) rather than the many other dimensions of family violence that this article should be covering.Charlotte135 (talk) 22:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
If you want to know why this article focuses so much on couple violence, all you need to do is look at the literature, since the domestic violence literature is mostly about couples and since the term domestic violence is used interchangeably with the term intimate partner violence. You've already been told this repeatedly. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Undue weight in lede
The lede reads: "In the United States, 35.6% of women and 28.5% of men have experienced some form of domestic violence (including rape, physical violence, or stalking) by an intimate partner in their lifetime. Globally, however, a wife or female partner is more commonly the victim of such violence."
Why is the United States singled out this way in the lede? It's giving WP:UNDUE to the US, and it appears to be here to push a POV. The lede should not focus on a specific country. And it is also inappropriate to present this figure, 35.6% of women and 28.5% of men, as unequivocally correct. The estimates of DV vary by study, depending on methodology, definition of DV, etc. 2A02:2F01:503F:FFFF:0:0:BC1B:570C (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
"Domestic violence affects men, women, and children." sentence
Charlotte135 has returned to this article soon after being restricted from it for three months, and immediately focused on text that was previously disputed; in this case, the text is the "Domestic violence affects men, women, and children." sentence. I reverted yet again. The text does not belong because it is redundant to the first paragraph. That domestic violence affects men, women, and children is quite clear from that first paragraph. Furthermore, this sentence that Charlotte135 insists on adding is not a good topic sentence since the paragraph focuses on couple violence, not on children at all. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Flyer22. The sentence you deleted recently was not disputed it was agreed on and settled and stayed in the article for months. Gosh, true to form though you immediately and predictably bring up my now well expired issue. Is that necessary? I mean with your extremely long history of blocks from all articles, not just a single topic and your sockpuppetry cases involving you and your little brother (who you said was using your account apparently without you knowing) in your mum and dad's house, and you being in tears over it as you told administrators at the time, why would you be slinging mud in a desperate attempt to discredit me?
I knew this would happen though. That's why I tried to get advice from an actual administrator, Diannaa. This discussion is here and my reply to administrator Diannaa is here
I realize I am giving as good as I get here and I wish you had just decided to be civil and leave the past in the past. I think policy even talks about that principle somewhere I've read. Why not just discuss your issue in a civil manner instead, like we all should Flyer22reborn? Why do you need to try to discredit other editors? Why bring up their past? How do you like having your very long history of blocks and sockpuppetry thrown in your face every time you try to edit in good faith? And the edit you deleted recently, which had been in the article for months, I reverted today, once. But then you again deleted. Are you not supposed to instead take it to talk first and discuss? I may revert back and discuss instead, if you can be respectful that is. Is that okay with you Flyer22 reeborn?Charlotte135 (talk) 01:12, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
There was nothing agreed upon when it comes to that sentence. And since you've repeatedly mischaracterized me on your talk page, continue to do so, have shown up here engaging in the same disruptive behavior, including with inaccurate and irrelevant comments about my block log (when the fact that it is inaccurate and irrelevant commentary has been made thoroughly clear to you before, as seen here and here), it's obvious that you did not learn your lesson when you were banned from this article for three months. It's also obvious that you did not take the advice that Diannaa gave you. You clearly have not headed anything Mark Arsten told you either. And you've been recently tracking the articles I edit, including the Sex reassignment surgery article; that is not a coincidence. You could have easily focused on the edit. I did focus on the edit; it's an edit that I disputed in the past on this very talk page, and it ties into the problems I had with you editing this article before you were topic-banned from it. Coming to this article and continuing past disputes soon after your topic ban expired is relevant. Your inaccurate commentary on my block log is not relevant. And to boot, you got it wrong yet again even. There was no "my mum and dad's house." It is my house; you already know that. My brother used my account once, and I was blocked for that by Boing! said Zebedee to protect my account. Really, how many administrators do you need to talk to before you get commentary on my block log right? Must you talk to Boing! said Zebedee, Alison, The ed17? Or do you simply want to keep commenting on it wrongly so that you have some imaginary dirt to throw my way, to try to make me look as bad as, or worse than, you? Whatever the case, you do not heed warnings well, that much is clear. And I will deal with all of this in due time. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Flyer 22 you deleted this comment of mine? What's going on please? Even if you are angry and keep making this personal with me, for no reason, when I keep trying to work things out with you, why do you believe you can delete my comments please? and then accuse me of doing so? What a dirty trick to try and discredit me? You should know better. Anyway I will restore my comment you just deleted in anger.Charlotte135 (talk) 02:07, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I won't revert your deletion of this statement from the article you made and breached the WP:BRD cycle guideline, and you instead inviting/encouraging an edit war. I will instead immediately take this matter to dispute resolution, rather than get entrapped in an edit war with you. I do invite you though, before I do so, to revert yourself and us try to work this out here on the talk page?Charlotte135 (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Notice that, with this edit, I was reverting your deletion of my comment. I do not care that your deletion was accidental, if it was, and I did not care to restore your comment in the process. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Flyer22. After looking at the editing, my edit must have been added the same time as your last one. That's all I can think happened. That means it was not just accidental but completely innocent. However your deletion of my text, 10 minutes after, seemed quite obviously to anyone, malicious, and your comment "I do not care that your deletion was accidental, if it was, and I did not care to restore your comment in the process." seems both angry and disregarding of the community standards? Can you apologize to me please.Charlotte135 (talk) 02:23, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi again Flyer22. Is this what you were referring to above, when you distorted what Mark Arsten actually told me? You see, I asked Mark as well. Was it the bit about he was not sure how other editors (you) may treat me? Here was his comments on my talk page anyway, given you chose not to include the truth. I'm wondering what both Mark and Diannaa, or any administrator, would think about you maliciously deleting my comments here in anger? As I said, would you consider apologizing, first? Charlotte135 (talk) 02:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Flyer 22. this is ridiculous. This is a public space, correct? Redundancy is a opinion. I don't understand this either. DV does affect men, women and children. this can be stated more than once. it is to emphasize the reach. --Shy1alize (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Redundancy is not an opinion. The sentence is not needed in the least. If you want to go to WP:Dispute resolution over it, be my guest. For example, I don't mind wasting editors' time at all by starting a WP:RfC on this trivial matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Just for the record, I want to confirm that Flyer 22's block log is the result of a genuine "My brother did it" episode. I communicated with Flyer by email at the time (as did other admins), and I was convinced that she was not guilty of any abuse herself - and the block that I made was indeed to help her secure her account, as I noted in the log. In fact, none of the blocks is a result of any misbehaviour by Flyer 22. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:55, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Verbal Violence
why is this section so small? Verbal abuse (gas lighting) is what causes learned helplessness, battered woman syndrome, and Stockholm syndrome. Did any one cut this section out. no i did not look in the history. but i feel that these phenomenon is a essential component to the pattern of violence. --Shy1alize (talk) 06:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
