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a question unrelated to "winningest"

I thought I would ask you, as I saw you had your JLPT1 and I can't even read hira/kata. Although some Japanese names seem unisex, do the male and female forms of the same name, share the same kanji? Is it possible to distinguish gender from the Kanji, or through any other cute little nuances? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

• I'd say you can generally tell from the kanji whether they're male or female, but not with 100% confidence. I know I've seen names have the same kanji for both male and female, but examples aren't coming to mind at the moment. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Here's an example: Akira Amano (female) and Akira Isogawa (male) with the kanji 「明」 for "Akira". If the kanji were, say, 「章」, though, I'd be surprised if the person were female (though a ton of female names otherwise use that character). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I was looking at Unisex_name#Japanese and wondering if it needed any further detail, in regards to distinguishing between male and female names. Thanks Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's a site that lists a huge number of names. It marks them as male and female—it marks none of them as unisex, but sometimes you'll see the same kanji twice in a row, once as male and once as female. There are quite a few unisex ones, but they still tend to be one or the other. But I guess the answer to your question is yes, you can usually differentiate based on the kanji, and that information would be good for the article, but it would be best to get a source saying so first. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Asian Month

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Hi

If you want to, please take a look at the article about Carina Jaarnek that I have created. Any help is appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Adding images

Hey Turkey, I wanted to ask you something. I assume this revert has a point, but my idea was to add an image in order to break the monotony of reading just walls of text. Is it usual to incorporate image (under free use) from a concert and write a description not strictly related to the image?--Retrohead (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

The issue is the caption—it implies that the image was taken "at Mercyful Fate's practice room in Copenhagen". That's information that should be in the body, and should be in a caption only if the caption relates to the image—so, at the very least, the caption has to be changed. The image itself is less than ideal, of course, as it's from 2009, but is placed during the recording sessions in 1984. I understand not wanting to have a wall of text there, but I wouldn't fight too hard to keep that image. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually ...

Adding to your thought, the whole winningest issue might best be left as is, WP:NOCONSENSUS. It's just WP:WABBITSEASON at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

• It would be nice, but Reyk is actively doctoring the evidence, making claims there's already been a consensus against the word. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
  • With regard to NAm sports there certainly is not. There's clearly a consensus against MoS making rules against this or other words. There's no consensus to import wording from the tone essay into MoS. And the status quo is that editorial discretion and (should a dispute arise) editorial consensus at the article level is what determine the wording of articles. So I have no idea what case Reyk would make, and would oppose a misleading result. My personal opinion and prediction (not my rede what a consensus determination would say explicitly) is that "winningest" is usable as a jargon term of art in NAm sports; it could plausibly but not unquestionably be reasonable to use it in other competitive NAm situations, including pro card playing, elimination-based "reality" TV shows, political elections, competitive gaming, law firm's acquittal rates, etc., but people are liable to object unless the term is linked to an article explaining that it's conventional NAm sports jargon, so non-NAm people aren't inspired to editwar about it; it's not going to be accepted (except by accident, e.g. on obscure articles with few watchers) even in NAm-topic articles the subjects of which are not something inherently competitive ("winningest actress at the Oscars in 2015" – actors are not primarily known for competition, while prosecutors are for their conviction rate, for example); and it will not be accepted in non-NAm articles even for sports, because it's like injecting lorry, tyre and petrol into an article on the American auto industry. I think I'll go say this over at WT:MOS.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  05:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
    • My "doctoring" comment refers to this sneaky edit, a comment based on this AfD and nowhere discussed at the MoS talk (and an extreme distortion of what the AfD represented, presented as a matter of fact). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that point got into Francis' draft essay (not necessarily be cause that's his view; I think he was copy-pasting stuff that had a diff or a source that seemed relevant). I didn't include that point from the essay, even after I updated the proposed consensus close's notes. It does seem to be just one person's interpretation, and 2007 is too long ago to matter for any point other than to show that WP perception regarding the word has shifted over time.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  08:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Smoothing ruffled feathers

(Seems an apt metaphor.) I know you thought my attempt at peacemaking the other day was in bad faith; it wasn't, I was just clumsy with it, trying to maintain a "position" in one spot, and move on in another. Further up this page somewhere you said I engaged in a straw man while complaining of one, and had earlier accused you of bad faith. If I did, I would retract them, and if I didn't but said something that came off that way, I'd be happy to concede it was poor wording. Glad we've been on better terms for a few days, and looking forward to more of that.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  08:15, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

"'Split infinitive"

This is the issue: it really doesn't exist. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: The prescription against it has no rational basis, but the term has a well-defined meaning: a word (usually an adverb) comes between the "to" and the plain infinitive. It doesn't "supposedly" come between them. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Trump

No, not the American blowhard presidential candidate (hopefully you are blissfully unaware of him). "TRUMP: The Complete Collection- Essential Kurtzman" will be published this summer and is now available for pre-order. You probably already ordered yours and this message is nothing you don't already know. I wonder why the title of this book, that contains two and a half magazines, ends with the words "Volume 2"? Prhartcom (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

• You're kidding me! It'd better happen this time—it's been cancelled by at least two publishers I know of so far (both of whom had it up on Amazon for preorder). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
• Oh, "Volume 2" means it's the second volume of the Essential Kurtzman series Kitchen's putting together. Volume one was Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book last year (or technically the end of 2014). It's like twice the price from Amazon in Japan, but I'll be visiting Canada in the summer, so I'll probably hold off until then to buy it. Excited! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for that explanation, that makes sense. It's Dark Horse, so that's great news; they should come through, right? I didn't know that about the other publishers. Yeah, don't pay too much. Can't wait to read it; should be slick! Prhartcom (talk) 01:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Inevitable

I imagine a block's on the way. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

POV editing of Bernie Sanders regarding religion

Hello Curly Turkey,

I will assume good faith regarding your editing of Bernie Sanders regarding Judaism. However, I perceive that phases such as "drawn speculation" and "he has refused to divulge details of it" and "rarely talked about religion" and "has shied away from questions of religion" constitutes a POV that is negative to Sanders. Like David Bowie, Sanders has spent decades trying to keep his private life private, avoiding all public discussion of personal details, while openly discussing his political ideas at any opportunity. There is nothing at all wrong or unusual in a public figure keeping private matters private, while discussing their public persona willingly. Sanders publically self identifies as a member of the Jewish religion and says he believes in God as he defines God. That should be enough. It is not right for Misplaced Pages editors to add their own original POV commentary to discussion of his religious beliefs. We are not investigative reporters, and should not yearn to be on this website. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

This is so absurdly painful a POV statement that I may need a surgeon to remove my palm from my face, Cullen. We do not pick and choose which widely-published and discussed aspects of his life to report on based on arbitrary criteria determined by WP:Cullen328, but by WP:V and WP:WEIGHT. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016

Hello, I'm Sir Joseph. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to User talk:Sir Joseph has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Sir Joseph 13:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• @Bishonen and Drmies: You might be interested in what's going on here. You also might want to take a look at Zigzag20s, who congratulated him with a "civility" barnstar and who is clearly trolling. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

continuing to trash talk after being told to quit it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:43, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

burying the evidence Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 13:46, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

They're allowed to do that, Turkey. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

And I'm allowed to keep a record of it. My understanding was that when one tells you to keep off their talk page, they are also expected to stop talking about you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:56, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• Turkey, I think it is a good idea to step back; too many f-bombs on Bernie's article talk page. Leave Sir Joseph be. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
  • @Bishonen and Drmies: I've replace my language, but I won't take back the troll comment. Zigzag's comments were too clearly designed to disrupt. And Sir Joseph continues with the personal attacks ("you're inane posts"). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Posting "you're inane posts" is not a violation of NPA. Sir Joseph 21:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
      • In the context it is, and it certainly violates WP:CIVIL, as you have done countless times. You continue to post on my talk page despite having barred me from yours. What's up with that? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Deleting comments of other editors at article talk page

Did you do this by accident?Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Obviously, and I thanked Softlavender for reverting them. I edit via Emacs, and it sometimes doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I reverted them. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, then I guess it was you I thanked. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Sine I've established clearly that Sanders is a "secular Jew", I added that category to the article at the bottom. It's an interesting category, in case you haven't looked at it. Yitzhak Rabin, Woody Allen, and many others are in it. You may want to look at their infoboxes to see how this has been handled in the past, if you haven't looked already.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:34, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::::: I'm not interested in issues involving Jews/Muslims/etc. I got involved in this article because it flared up after the Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes, an issue I care about and which I felt was related to the Sanders dispute. I added material on his background because nobody else would after I called for it at least a dozen times. Fucking fucked up people: adding "Jew" to the article makes you an antisemite, but so does removing it from the infobox ... Times like these make me glad I'm not American. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Every so often I slip

I'm usually good about staying away form overtly political articles. I made a big slip last year with Charlie Hebdo shooting (because it was cartooning-related), and I made a big slip this year with Bernie Sanders (because it's related to Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes). These types of articles are lost causes born to drain your soul—they draw the sickest people on Misplaced Pages. Back to comics and rock'n'roll. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Good man. At least you didn't get drawn into the Kim Davis (county clerk) article, like I did. Prhartcom (talk) 04:13, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, God. You've got an awful lot more patience for insanity and malice than I do, but I can imagine it wasn't pretty. I only have one Facebook friend who made an issue of Davis, but it was surreal—I wondered if that was what taking LSD was like. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the opportunity to commiserate; It was indeed a strange experience. It was all I could do to stay diplomatic at all times. Last I checked (months ago), I had written half of the article, but I'm afraid to look at it now. I had planned to take it to GA, but fortunately I hit myself with a hammer to avoid that painful experience. (Last year, I somehow survived the strange experience of writing half of Germanwings Flight 9525 and taking it to GA.) I know what you mean about the conservative Facebook friends that somehow crop up; I've got some of those too. I'm guessing our friend Midnightblueowl would know what you mean also; I believe she got involved with the UKIP article. Prhartcom (talk) 04:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeeks—a hammer, you mean literally? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Ha, no, figuratively. Although it might have been preferable to working with those contributors. Prhartcom (talk) 13:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Carina Jaarnek

On 13 February 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carina Jaarnek, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Swedish singer Towe Jaarnek is the sister of fellow singer Carina Jaarnek? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carina Jaarnek. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

CJK question

I don't know a lot about CJK markup and usage. Are these bracketing characters around the ideogram 「明」 conventionally used in particular ways? Looking for documentation on them.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  06:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

• They're Japanese quotation marks—they don't use the same punctuation marks as English. See Japanese punctuation, although it describes 「」 as "single" and 『』 as "double quotation marks"—that's from a British perspective. The outliney ones are the ones you would use for quotations-within-quotations (and certain other cases). I don't read Chinese or Korean, so I have no idea if they apply there. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspected that might be the case, though I would not have known that about the ordering. Our article at Quotation mark#Chinese, Japanese and Korean quotation marks isn't drawing that distinction, and could probably use some tweaking in that regard.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  18:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm having little luck coming up with a decent source for this stuff. There's this, which is perhaps oversimplified, but definitely an RS (it's a well-known book summarizing the writing systems of the world). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

GBooks is actually refusing to show me the page, but it looks like a book I should have in hardcopy anyway, so thanks for the pointer.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  10:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/March 5, 2016

Hi Curly. I was under the weather yesterday ... hopefully I'm fine now and I can get to this later today. - Dank (push to talk) 12:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• Another one? What, are people not writing any more FAs these days? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:04, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I've been begging for more FA writers, no luck so far. - Dank (push to talk) 00:32, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
    • Indeed. I've had 4 in the past three months. Five, if Amir Hamzah is picked. Sadly, when we're looking for diverse topics, fields such as comics and art often end up being selected. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Undid

You undid an edit of mine, and I wasn't clear on what the problem was. I did some minor fixes to the punctuation and some rather long sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivateThoughts (talk • contribs) 00:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• Yes, you made a long sentence harder to parse, so I undid it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I went and changed the sentence I thought was the problem, and you're still having problems. Could you explain what was wrong? I changed some semi-colons into commas, and added a comma that was missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrivateThoughts (talk • contribs) 02:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Apparently "stalking" means "responding to people on an article talk page"

What a horrible piece of shit I am. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

POTD notification

Hi Curly,

Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Suzuki Harunobu - Evening Snow on the Heater.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on March 5, 2016. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2016-03-05. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. I'm sure the mainpage readers will be happier with so much Turkey in their diet. To compliment all them greasy Crisco treats, I'm sure. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• • Eh, we gotta get rid of the leftovers somehow. ;) But I don't think we'll have another Ukiyo-e image on the MP for a few months. Don't have all that many. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Brendan Healy (comics) should return to Brendan Healy (comic)

Mr Healy was a comic, as in a comedic entertainer, rather than somebody associated with comic books. I'm sure this was human error, I don't hold anything against your decision. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:28, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Whoops! Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

白き鼬鼠第ＵＭＰＴＥＥＮ巻：決闘ＡＥ

Hey, CT.

The White Weasel is at it again. Of my seven historical wikistalkers, one has been sitebanned for three years, I'm protected from three by IBANs, and two appear to have disappeared off the face of the earth. But this one is now back with a vengeance and appears to have become even better at the old wikilawyering game.

I'm considering asking for an IBAN, but at this point I don't know where to turn. ANI is a better option than it used to be, with the above-described disappearance of almost all of the users who specifically have it in for me, but I worry that any mention of ArbCom activity on ANI will result in a speedy close for trying to "dowmgrade" a conflict that's "already being discussed" by the Arbs...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• Jesus fucking Christ. I don't know what this is about, but I have the feeling that taking it to ANI would be walking into the Weasel's Den. If you can manage an IBAN, put in an order for me. Where's he stalking you this time? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

WP:AE. Can't give you the details here for obvious reasons, but needless to say it's more bullshit. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

"Uninvolved party", my scrotumhairs—does he really need to "protest to much" like that every motherfucking time? I'd love to leave a comment to that effect, but he'd probably spin is as you having canvassed for it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:03, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we should go find a smoke-filled room to conspire in like in the old days. My Illuminati and Freemason contacts should be able to hook us up. If the smoke came from electric cigarettes it would be all the better. :P Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:37, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• The room can be as conspiratorial as you like, but keep it 禁煙. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ユーノーホワットウッドシームリアリーファッキングコンスピリアトリアル？イフウィーコミュニけーテッドオールインモックジャパニーズ。 Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:08, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

ザットウッドシームコンスピラトーリアル、トルー、バットイッツスーパーハードトゥリード、アンドアイワリーヒー（ゼイ？）マイトビーエイブルトゥスピンイットアズミーヴァイオレーティングマイTBAN。イッフアイライトオンリー「ティーバン」インローマンレターズ、イットマイトメイクザプロブレムワース、バットアイリーリ、リーリワントヒムトゥトライトゥリポートミーフォージスアンドメイクアcomplete buffoonアウトオヴヒムセルフホウェンピープルテルヒムホワットウィーウェアリーリドゥイング。（笑） Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

ウェル、ウィールシースーンイナフ。アイムサーテン匕―ズストーキングマイトークページ、アンドウィルアシュ―ムザットワーヅライクfuckwitアービーイングディレクテッドアットヒム。 Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

イットトゥックミーライク5 minutesトゥフィギュアアウトホワットthe hellユーメントバイ「ワーヅ」。（笑） Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Article

If you want to, take a look at the article about Margareta Hallin that I have created. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I did what I could, but there were some things I couldn't work out. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi

I am trying to improve the article about Molly Sandén. If you have any suggestions or edits that can be done please do :) Thanks.BabbaQ (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

BabbaQ: Quick question—what variety of English should this be in (so I know what spelling to use)? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Britsh English I would prefer. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I wasn't sure whether I should correct "practice" to "practise", since the date format was North American. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

ビーイングインサルテッド

ヘイ！

エニーアイディアアバウトハウアイシュッドah screw it! ...how I should go about dealing with a user I've never interacted with suddenly calling me a troll for the sin of ... expressing an entirely legit concern about content policy violations?

I would just ask them to retract it and if they refused I would post on you know where, but I was wondering if you know if the process is different when the page in question is apparently subject to discretionary sanctions.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:34, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

• I just got back from commenting on it. I don't know what he thinks "linguistics" means, but I think Inigo Montoya would have something to say about it. I think the user is likely part of the "minefield" alluded to, and I suspect he won't be the last offender—I think it's one of those pages where the participants are all there to fight. Just let the article rot and go produce some content. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

"You keep using that word: I do not think you know what it means." I only saw that movie once, and that was four years ago, so I don't remember if in its original context the person being spoken to was ironically trying to correct Inigo on the definition of a word. Anyway, I took two linguistics class in my first two years of uni, and took another class called "Terminology", but decided that Japanese and translation studies were more suited to my tastes; I don't much like 理系 people telling me I don't understand linguistics. Also, if they are all there to fight, then why would they be criticizing me for being there to "troll"; they seem similar enough, if not the same... I'm still trying to find an area of classical Chinese literature that I can write about and that English Misplaced Pages currently completely fails at. Thusfar I've found some holes, but I don't know enough to fill them adequately, and they're not deep holes either way But once my French translation of that other article is finished I'll overlay it, ask for a copyedit from a native speaker, and then submit it for GA.. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Is the link broken, or are you working on that off-Wiki? now fixed. My knowledge of Chinese lit is limited to an abridged translation of 西遊記 and a translation of Mencius. It surprises me every time I see Chinese text and can't make out the slightest bit. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:21, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I've taken a page out of your book and started translating my Southern Cross FA into French. When I'm done I'll do like you said and request a native tp deshittify my French (how would you say "deshittify" in French? "Démerder"?) Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Courtesy DS notice

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Pretty redundant at this point, but whatever, I'm done there anyways—it's clear certain folks are only there to shit on others. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

yes the culture there is not pretty. sorry about that. Jytdog (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Input requested

There is a dispute at Talk:Spider-Man and the X-Men over whether a redlink editor's edits violate WikiProject Comics guidelines as fancruft and issue-by-issue synopses. A comparison of two versions is here. I am writing to some longtime Project editors individually, since Portal talk:Comics appears to have very little traffic and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics/Notice board has had no postings in years. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

All done

Should be linked correctly now in most of the comments. I removed the pings from yours however since I thought it would probably be excessive to ping again. Regards. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Only in death does duty end: No problem, although my understanding is that there's no need to do so—that pings only work if you sign (or re-sign) your post (which is why a lot of malformed-and-then-fixed pings don't go through). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

C/e advice

About the second paragraph of Lightning–any idea how to rewrite the sentence "Although four tracks were already arranged, the band members worried that the album featured songs created in the studio, unlike Kill 'Em All." so that it says the members were not used to write songs in the studio, which was not the case with Kill 'Em All? I thought about "Although four tracks were already arranged, the band members were not used to create songs in the studio, which was not the case with Kill 'Em All". I know it sounds a bit clumsy, so your opinion would be more than welcomed.--Retrohead (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Retrohead: Hmmm ... I ran through a few things in my head, but then I decided to take a look at the source for ideas, and ... I don't actually see this in the source. Where does this info come from? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

That's from Popoff's book. I think the first time I saw it in McIver's or Winwood's book, but I can't locate where. I'll add it right away.--Retrohead (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Retrohead: Sorry, I forgot to follow up on this. I can't view that link—sometimes there are pages that are blocked in Japan. Can you quote it? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

"The band worried that too much of the record featured songs created in the studio, but their confidence has built, and they had much more control of everything, including the electric chair cover concept, their idea from the start." (p. 41 of Metallica: The Complete Illustrated History) No worries though, Ian Rose copyedited it, I think it reads fine now.--Retrohead (talk) 10:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay, that looks good. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Wilson Bengough

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Crazy dreams

Precious again, your Dream of the Rarebit Fiend, "an article about crazy dreams"!

Dreaming of my rabbit friend who designed this, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

• Vielen Dank! Aber wer ist denn dieser Kaninchen, von dem du träumst? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

br'er rabbit --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

told you so --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I guess it's easy to forget since I never interacted with the said rabbit (at least, I don't think I did). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

If you really didn't you missed a lot. But with 44 different names, it's unlikely ;) - I met him first as Alarbus, - first link on my user page goes to Reformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I recognize that name, but can't remember why. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't strain your memory, Hammer. Nail. Door. is fresh as on day one, in 2012. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

He went on to create {{user original}} --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

He went on to get himself banned and reported the success with a smile, - his last sign of life to me. Trying to keep smiling, and the "nice edit notice" is still in place ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Page views

Now here's a neat tool I never knew about:

Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. Updates on reimplementing the Graph extension, which will be known as the Chart extension, can be found on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org.

I don't know how to feel about this—my user page seems to get more pageviews than many of my GAs and FAs. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Look what happens when new users with less than 500 edits to their name unilaterally close VERY complicated GAR discussions in order to rack up credits

You've got mail. It would seem the legacy of the White Weasel is alive and well. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hallin

Some edits has changed the article about Margareta Hallin drastically. Take a look :)--BabbaQ (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, I noticed a lot of people suddenly took interest! Was there an anniversary or something? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Reverts in Eight Parlour Views

I saw the revert you did to my changes in Eight Parlour Views and I also saw that others have done the same edit I did, removing the empty gallery tags. I just want you to know that it's going to happen again, not because we are doing it on purpose, but because that sort of thing is signalled by automatic tools like Check Misplaced Pages.

Aisteco (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Well, that's irritating. I was hoping to get them filled this weekend, though. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It may be irritating in this case but it's very useful in general so think about the good of the whole. ;)

Aisteco (talk) 23:53, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem—thery're all filled in now, anyways. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Infobox comics character

Like I said, I really am happy to correct the label of the "alliances" field and will do whatever additional programming to that template you want (I'm a programmer and I really should go through the process of becoming a template editor, and the process involves making requests in this way, so this would be a good project for me). It probably would be best to get others input on it before suddenly changing the label, which is why I suggested consensus. I want to apologize for being curt with you earlier, but here is the reason: Almost every single time I see that you have made a comment to a discussion I am having somewhere, I am: a) excited to see you have chimed in, followed by b) crestfallen that, once again, you go against whatever it is I am wishing will happen. Prhartcom (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Well, I'm not really against it, I'm just not for it. Sorry! If you've got any programming experience at all, templates are pretty easy to work with. I'll leave a message at the template talk page. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Prhartcom: actually, have you looked at the "|partners=" and "|supports=" parameters? I didn't realize they even existed, and I think they might be more appropriate. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Done. Thanks! Prhartcom (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Having a Rave Up

Thanks for your interest in Having a Rave Up with The Yardbirds. Would you be willing to take on the GA review? I liked your work on Love It to Death (Cooper was a big Yardbirds fan). Understand if you're busy, etc. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Ojorojo: I gave the album another spin last night for the first time in years after reading the article--found I had no memory of "She's so Respectable". What a track! I think I'll probably do the review, but I probably won't get to it right away. Ping me in a week if I still haven't done it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Punctuation and quotation marks

You clearly have a sharp eye for detail, but I am not sure if I understand the placing of punctuation outside of the quotation marks. To my knowledge punctuation should always be placed inside them. I make mistakes because the marks are also used to indicate titles of stories not published separately. But that note at Ellison, wasn't that correct the way I wrote it? MackyBeth

MackyBeth: Sorry, I thought I included a link to WP:LQ in one of my edits. American style is fairly strict about placing punctuation inside quotes, but Misplaced Pages favours "logical quotation"—placing the punctuation according to sense. For example:

(General North American) My favourite song is "My Human Gets Me Blues," which appears on Trout Mask Replica.

(LQ) My favourite song is "My Human Gets Me Blues", which appears on Trout Mask Replica.

The comma doesn't logically belong to the title of the song, so with LQ you'd place it outside the quotes (this is the common style in Britain and in American publications where a certain precision is important). This also applies to quotations:

Bob said, "You're such a hoser, Doug."

Bob said Doug was "such a hoser".

In the first sentence "You're such a hoser, Doug." is presented as a complete sentence along with its punctuation; some insist there should be another period outside punctuating the whole sentence:

Bob said, "You're such a hoser, Doug.".

but this is not the consensus style at Misplaced Pages (logical, but ugly and needlessly redundant). In the second sentence, the quote is presented as a sentence fragment that is part of the larger whole sentence: the period punctuates the sentence as a whole; the quoted fragment is not a whole sentence (thus can't really be punctuated there), nor was it originally punctuated with a period (there was a comma). Placing a period inside the quotation mark would be both illogical and not be faithful to the original quote.

I hope this helps! If it doesn't, don't worry—you can always get people like me to take care of the LQ, endashes, &cetera, for you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:29, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

That's funny, because it means Misplaced Pages style resembles the European style that I am actually used to. Never knew this. MackyBeth

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Centralized ENGVAR, DATEVAR, CITEVAR discussion

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Sea Mither of God!

Hi Curly! I imagine this might get your goat, but I'd urge you to steer clear of the Sea Mither talk page until, as you yourself suggested, an admin can have a look "from on high" and intervene to prevent further ridiculousness. After all, the more you curse those two out, the more they will feel the need to share more of their... wonderfully interesting views on bias, racism, editing, burdens, etc. in order to refute you. This will just piss you (and me, and others) off more, and the cycle will continue ad absurdum. Let them think they've won, until they can learn decisively that they haven't; we'll all salvage a little of our ebbing sanity that way. (You seem to share interests--i.e. comix--and editing styles with me; I look forward to potentially furnishing you with assistance in future!) YarLucebith (talk) 04:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oh, I don't curse because they get my goat—I curse because I'm that kind of asshole. I've seen Eric in action enough not to get drawn into his horseshit mind games—notice how I end each comment strictly on topic, which he's trying desperately to lead the "discussion" away from. Eventually he'll huff off in a shower of dramaqueen dust, vowing never to return, as he always does. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:13, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Only in your dreams. Eric Corbett 04:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Right, right—I made it up. It never happens. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Why pretend to have a working crystal ball when you clearly don't? Eric Corbett 05:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

  Why hang around my talkpage when you could be looking for someone to help get that bug out of your ass? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Comic relief

A peek into the mind of Eric Crobett—I'll have to bookmark this forever. He's so worked up over this Sea Mither horseshit, he trudged over to my John Wilson Bengough article (which he oticed had just been promoted to GA today) to "prove" what a shitty writer I am by making 14 copyedits (the more he makes, the worse I look, right?). Taking a look—well, he did find a missing "the", but for the most part his edits were shit that I had to revert. Some even introduced errors:

• changed "He supported the Liberals in their successful win of the Canadian federal election" to "He supported the Liberal's success in the Canadian federal election", introducing two errors: misuse of the apostrophe, and changing the sense of the sentence to having Bengough support the win and not the campaign
• changed "though" to "although" in four separate edits (see above)—who taught him this? the same schoolmarm who taught him never to split an infinitive? Cambridge and Fowler disagree, and I'm not going to bother hunting up more examples.
• changing "frustrated with" to "frustrated by" (why make "the lack of opportunities" the actor? That's not even really the sense of the sentence. Barf. Regardless, this was no improvement.)
• changing colons to semicolons for no apparent reason (did he not bother to read the sentences?)
• other changes that couldn't be considered "fixes"

Okay, so he botched the copyedit—plenty folk do. But then he hikes triumphantly over to Talk:Sea Mither and sisk-boom-bahs himself about his fuckup with "Judging by the state of your John Wilson Bengough article I don't see that you're in any position to be passing judgement" as if he were showing me up. I never would have expected this POINT-y adolescent horseshit even from Eric, and it deeply satisfies me to see it blow up so magnificently in his smug mug. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

• Holy fucking Christ, but he actually fucking pulled this. Sorry, Prhartcom‎, but "good faith" it is not—just read his edit comment: "you both" is me, and Cambridge (and Fowler, which he's also aware of). He's trolling. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:29, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
• Fucking troll. I'd say he still doesn't understand what he's reading, but it's clear he's not even bothering to read it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:49, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

The whole section above is reason enough. It's very clear you're trying to rile Corbett up to the point where he breaches one of his sanctions. That's quite enough. MLauba 01:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

That's not in the least bit clear, but it's totally clear that Eric's being persistently disruptive. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Curly Turkey (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The blocking admin admits he has not investigated the context, which includes not only a long series of personal attacks and deceptions by Eric Corbett, but the active disruption on his part at Sea Mither, Nuckelavee, and most especially at John Wilson Bengough, all of which prompted my responses. This block is strictly punitive and does nothing the stop the disruption of the encyclopaedia. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Reversed by the blocking admin; I endorse the unblock. Ritchie333 10:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Are other editors to be held responsible for Eric's rampages in article space? That seems to be one of the implications of MLauba's block rationale---that I somehow goaded Eric into attacking the Bengough article. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• I'm no fan of CT's vulgarity, but the edits he pointed out above are truly bizarre and in my mind deserved to be noted as pointy, un-called-for, and apparently vindictive. I don't see how this relates to "one of sanctions". And since this block occurred without any community discussion (that I am aware of), it seems out-of-the-blue and out-of-process. It's CT's talk page -- he's free as far as I know to discuss or point out issues here that bother him. Softlavender (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, if I may, I see this block as even more out-of-process as it was made by a virtually absentee admin whose edit count has been an average of 10 edits per month for the past 5 years. I think it's time to turn in the old mop (or possibly for the mop to be removed for, among other things, insufficient Misplaced Pages presence). Softlavender (talk) 03:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, from what I could see looking at recent interactions between you is an escalating ego contest. However, it appears that over the past couple of days, you took the lead in personalizing this dispute. I could obviously continue thrawling through your edits since the 23rd, but there's little point. About every second talk page comment you made since the morning of March 23rd, while indeed concluding on content, starts with an attack, on multiple editors. I'm perfectly willing to buy the notion that you have let yourself get carried away in irritation, but the increasing spiral of taunting and attacks has to stop. Long story short, I'm perfectly happy to unblock you myself if you commit to return to commenting on content instead of contributors. MLauba 09:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• MLauba: I have to question your choice of diffs (??—you can't be serious), but I can promise to dial things back (though I do not acknowledge this block was ever legitimate). Can I assume Eric's disruptions will be dealt with now? There's no denying he's on a vendetta. He's crossed 3RR and has made it clear he will not stop. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Is that how you dial things back? I believe you'll want to dial them back several notches further. You are still talking at him instead of to him: "There's no denying he's on a vendetta" is still firmly commenting on contributors instead of content.
• I have no interest in getting in a game of "user hasn't crossed the minimum threshold of contrition expected" and will unblock you under the assumption that you will take this to heart. Perhaps you can consider taking a pause from this matter, or better yet, find a way of leading a dialogue based on collaboration instead of confrontation. Most users cannot be argued with, but reasoning with them tends to work a lot better. MLauba 10:22, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:24, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I was going to write in support of an unblock, but edit conflicted. Anyway, the above scenario will be familiar to anyone who's spent any substantial time improving articles to FAC over a number of years, where you get two strong editors who both think they know better and logjam against each other. Had I seen the edit war last night, I would have done a short full-protect and told the pair of you to calm down; frankly I think Eric and Curly are like matches and gasoline and should be kept apart from each other in order to keep the peace. Ritchie333 10:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Ritchie333: What should be done at John Wilson Bengough? Should I revert? The edits were clearly in bad faith, but I don't want to put myself across 3RR. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Going after your recently promoted GA was a dick move, but continuing the conflict will not make the article better (even if it reverts to language you prefer), it will make it more contentious. The use of a semi-colon changes the precise meaning of the sentence to me (minding that English is my third language), but doesn't really degrade the narrative. If you can live with the change, I'd let it go; otherwise talking about why the nuance is important to you and asking for suggestions on how to convey it best should get you to a better result than arguing about dictionaries. MLauba 11:12, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

(ec) The edit summaries might have been bad-faith, but the content doesn't appear to have been - I have never seen Eric edit an article in any way that wasn't an obvious good faith improvement to it. As to what you should do, well out of you, me and Eric, I think it's reasonable to say I've had the least experience with reading the article and understanding the topic, so I'd be the worst person to recommend advice. From a quick look, the quibble about "He supported the Liberals in their successful win of the Canadian federal election" (as opposed to supporting the campaign) seems to have been resolved of its own accord in the current revision, and my gut feeling is a Canadian editor is more likely to pick up on the nuances of that variety of English than a British one, but that's about as far as I'd go for the minute. Ritchie333 11:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

This was surely not a good-faith edit, but pure disruption. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion at Talk:John Wilson Bengough#Colon changed to semicolon. Could Ritchie333 and MLauba please monitor it? I think you'll understand if my hopes are low regarding the likely quality of the discussion. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If I may pipe up, as for some reason I am awake and reading and even participating in this talk-page discussion, as a very experienced professional editor (yes, I am one; see my userpage), I'd like to say that the only edit that CT diffed far above that I agree with is changing "frustrated with" to "frustrated by". And Lord knows I have no dog in this fight, as CT can confirm given our "history" ;-). Softlavender (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Softlavender: There's an important difference between "frustrated with" and "frustrated by". Compare the sentences "Their plans were frustrated by the efforts of their rivals" versus "I'm very frustrated (with|at) you, young man". The first "frustrated" is a past participle; the second an adjective. The sense of the sentence is: "Bengough was frustrated that he lacked opportunities to have his cartoons published". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:54, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion "by" is more opportune in many ways: It's more precise in that the frustration was an operative factor in his taking action, and it avoids the mind-numbing parallel repetition of the word "with" -- such repetitions cause the reader's mind to wander or 'glaze over'; using the word "by" keeps the reader interested and focused and also makes the sentence less passive and more active (similar to using active voice versus passive voice). Anyway, not going to spend any more time on this; someone can copy any of this over to the TP in question if they like. Softlavender (talk) 12:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Ritchie333 and MLauba: Here's Eric continuing with the targeted "copyediting" and personal attacks. Seriously, now, this is never going to end. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:05, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Nobody cares, really, about this trivial spat. You and Eric are peas in a pod, except that he is not litigious. Let it happen. Ceoil (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

And then he'll step onto the next article, and the next, and the next ... no, I'm not about to "let it happen". Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Not likely, given your the one exasperating the situation. Not a great field to die on. Ceoil (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

That's an impressive trick, bending over that far backwards to defend Eric's disruptive editing. Like I said before: just like blaming a woman for the clothes she wore. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Well done in re casting bull horn locking with "woman's plight". As I say, peas in a pod. Ceoil (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

What "bull horn locking"? I haven't touched his fucking articles. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:28, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

He's referring to whatever pissing contest it is that you're involved in here. Comparing it to rape blaming is frankly offensive, and you should know better. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

So substitute a more inocuous example of "blame the victim"—I called out Eric on his deceptiveness and he responded by attacking an article, and people are saying I should have "known better" and and doing nothing to curtail Eric's rampage. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 15:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Sure looks a lot like folk are much more interested in people's words than their actions around here. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 15:16, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, not really; I think your article work is very strong, we have shared interests, so I sometimes follow your edits. Ditto for Eric. This is one of those "two guys I respect re squabbling" situations, and my original post was meant in a choose your battles more carefully, and not get into "victim" bullshit. Although god knows I'm the last person who should be giving advice on feisty management! Look, its not, was not, worth getting blocked over, who gives a damn if someone on the internet is wrong. You should *just carry on*. Ceoil (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

• A timely clip... --Hillbillyholiday 19:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Batman#Genius intellect

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Oh, the irony of it all...

This guy is facing a potential CBAN at the moment. I haven't read enough to say whether he deserves it yet, but this comment really got to me. He apparently wrote a bunch of really dodgy articles with disastrous sourcing problems. Who else do we know like that? Whether Wikicology ultimately gets banned or not, it's on the table, but at least he responded to the sourcing issues with essentially "Oh, did I do that? It does look to be wrong, but I can't for the life of me remember writing it. Sorry for the trouble I caused." Our other friend would likely respondactually did respond to those same concerns with "The article isn't wrong. You're wrong.", even on a high-traffic ANI thread.

The contrite one who recognizes his disruption, even without indication that it won't happen again, gets CBANned, and the one with even worse CIR and IDHT issues has thusfar got off without anymore than a few days' block that was effectively negated by my receiving the same block.

Misplaced Pages is funny sometimes...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:52, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• I'm not sure "irony" is the word, but it would be nice to get such an apology. Someday that history of Japan article will have to be cleaned up. Got a shovel? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry. The "irony" is that the one who at least is polite and respectful about his disruption is on the chopping block, but the one who continues to insist that no disruption took place despite everyone saying otherwise has gotten off scott-free so far. Anyway, I frankly think the admin who promised to block him if further disruption took place and then when this happened immediately tried to shift the blame onto me should be de-sysoped for actively facilitating his disruption, but that shit almost never works. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

It never does—all the more reason to ♩let it go♩ ... while he appears to have vanished. Save your rage for when he's actually doing something. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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You wanna talk in our smokey poorly-lit room and plot the destruction of western civilization again?

The Warlord of Mars seems to be unable to just let me get on with my life, and if he gets his way in the latest ANI fustercluck I might even be blocked for a month (!?) -- I'm not sure what to do about this, but I don't think I'll allowed to discuss it openly on-wiki. Recent events have convinced me that even if everything is on public record and everyone can clearly see that John Carter is lying, some users won't even care, and don't seem to realize that anyone would have a lapse in civility when faced with something like that, so what's the point of using talk pages rather than exchanging private emails? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I see one editor proposing a block and nobody picking up on it. Remember what I told you? ANI is full of freaks who are just waiting in ambush for someone to swear so they can propose a block. I left another comment, but I won't be watchlisting the page—ANI tends to eat up a watchlist. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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"extended confirmed user"?

Can anyone tell me what an "extended confirmed user" is? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, this right allows you to edit pages with Arbitration 30/500 protection. HOTmag (talk) 02:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Any suggestions?

Based on your experience at promoting articles, I would like to have your feedback on the issues you see for the The Fourteen Infallibles to be done before promotion. You can naturally ignore this message if you're not willing to contribute. Thanks. Mhhossein (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I'm not sure what advice to give—I have very little experience with lists and have never tried to get one promoted, so I'm not sure what the expectations are. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 14:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

GAR input

Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/Eminem/1 hasn't really got much input ever since only one user left comments following its initiation. Care to leave any opinions on whether it should be delisted? Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

• Not a subject I can claim any expertise in—or even much passive knowledge, really—but I'll take a peek. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/New Wave of British Heavy Metal/archive1

I started the procedure to have the New Wave of British Heavy Metal article promoted to WP:FA. Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/New Wave of British Heavy Metal/archive1 needs discussants. Since you were a contributor to the article, I am hoping you might give some comments. Lewismaster (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Bembo update

Thanks for the thoughts! I've cleaned up most of the problems you highlighted and will be thinking about the others. Blythwood (talk) 12:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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NWOBHM

Sorry mate that's not what I was trying to do.

Nürö G'däÿ 01:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

"Linguistic prescription" and "Linguistic description"?

You've edited these types of articles more than I have, but when I studied these in college they were called "prescriptive linguistics" and "descriptive linguistics" -- any idea if they were moved to their current titles at some point? Did someone think that using an "adjective" as a "countable noun" in the title would be too much of an Americanism? Google seems to agree with me and that doesn't even take into account that "linguistic description" is an ambiguous phrase that could describe any description that happens to be linguistic in nature. I have half a mind to open an RM. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• I suspect it's just whatever the creator of the article happened to call it and nobody's bothered to rename it, since it's not "wrong" or anything (I haven't checked the history to confirm this). Try just moving it and see if anyone kicks up a fuss---I do that all the time without anyone saying a word. Just give WP:COMMONNAME or something as the move rationale. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I just noticed that the lead to Linguistic prescription links to Linguistic description via Descriptive linguistics. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I know. That was what initially tipped me off. It seems to be loath to refer to the other topic by the name of that article, so that the articles' titles don't even really match the way the articles themselves are written. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:32, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

The article was created in 2003 by an editor who hasn't edited since 2005. Just move it. If it doesn't let you, open an RM. Just say it's the common name. You won't need any other argument unless someone actually opposes it. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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Impostor

That wasn't me. That was an impostor account User:Linguist1111, who was forging my signature. Linguist 111 23:14, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

• Ah. Looks like they've caused a lot of work for you. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean? Linguist 111 23:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I mean, reverting all that shit. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, right. I didn't revert them, (an)other user(s) did. I only reverted the one on your page and the one they left on my page. But thanks :D Linguist 111 23:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

This guy is blocked for battleground behaviour

After what he put me through last August/September without even a hint of facing consequences, seeing him face a month-long block now for the same behaviour is just so rewarding. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)