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• Orlando shooting: the article says at least 50 people were killed, the hook here says 49. PhilKnight (talk) 01:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
  • It seems there were 49 victims, but some totals are also counting the gunman who was killed as well. Not sure what we should go with in the blurb. Jenks24 (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
    • The major news outlets made a big deal out of reducing the count to 49 (plus the perp) yesterday, hence my update. Of course the total may rise with the number of serious injuries, that can be dealt with as and when it happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
• Shall we link "gay nighclub" with Pulse (nightclub) or just say "Pulse"? --George Ho (talk) 13:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  The first is a candidate for deletion, the second is meaningless on its own and adds little to the existing "gay nightclub" (it's not important what it was called), so it should stay as it is. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  I don't think "being a candidate for deletion" is a valid reason not to link to an article (and looking at the AfD it doesn't look likely to be deleted anytime soon). DuncanHill (talk) 13:14, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  Well I do, but I'm sure you'll find another admin out there prepared to do exactly what you personally want. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:16, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  And as long as you're an admin you will do exactly what you personally want? Could you point to the policy that says that articles should not be linked to once they have been proposed for deletion? DuncanHill (talk) 13:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  Yes, when it comes to inaction, I will do precisely that. I very much doubt there is a policy relating to such minutiae. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  (ec) But I believe that if even DYK avoid posting links to AFD'ed articles until the AFD is resolved (to avoid an embarrassing red link on the main page) then we should follow that, it's good practice, you might call it ... common sense. I'm sure we can all wait for the AFD to finish in any case. There's no deadline. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

  So you're reason for not linking it is that you don't want to, not that there is any policy or guideline reason not to? DuncanHill (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Elements

• IUPAC is known as IUPAC (pronounced eye-you-pac), not 'the' IUPAC. You wouldn't say the NASA for another initialism would you? I notice the article has been changed to support this erroneous view and I'll undo that if I'm allowed. Simonfreeman (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Hmm, if that's correct then we shouldn't use "the". Maybe it would be easier to just use the full name of the organisation? To continue with the NASA example, it's at NASA whereas this article is at International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry. Jenks24 (talk) 10:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
    • I agree that including 'the' sounds odd. Just delete it. Modest Genius 12:35, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
      • Would that be because you know it's pronounced as a word and not a string of letters? I didn't know that and I would bet most of our readers wouldn't either. My preference is still to use the full name (and therefore keep the "the"). Jenks24 (talk) 12:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
        • I agree with Jenks here. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
          • I (who am not a chemist) knew it was called IUPAC (pronounced as Simon says above) long before I knew it was the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry. DuncanHill (talk) 13:16, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
            • Yes, well that's as maybe, but our articles use common name principles, so presumably this means the majority know it as International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry, not IUPAC. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
              • Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. DuncanHill (talk) 13:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
                • Eh? We're talking about accessibility for our readers, not reliable sourcing. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
                  • Oh, I thought we were talking about what is was known by to most people. I must have misread "presumably this means the majority know it as International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry, not IUPAC". DuncanHill (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Ice hockey

Please can we spell out 'MVP', or change the phrasing to e.g. 'Conn Smythe trophy winner'? The initialism is not understood outside North America. The link is a bit of an easter egg already. Modest Genius 12:35, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I think the term is becoming increasingly more well known outside NA, but I see your point. I'd prefer to go with "Conn Smythe Trophy winner", but would be interested to hear from someone who follows the NHL about which term is most used. Jenks24 (talk) 12:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Speaking as someone with no interest in this sport, MVP is far more accessible to me that "Conn Smythe Trophy winner", the latter is meaningless at a glance. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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