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Matthvm sockpuppet case

Hi there. Thanks for handling the Matthvm affair, and sorry about the poorly-formatted sockpuppet evidence: I've been offline for the last couple of days and only got your messages now. I had also completely missed the link to WP:SSP from WP:SOCK; I hadn't even read WP:SPP before you provided the link. --Saforrest 12:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not sure everyone does all that stuff anyway in every case so... no biggie. Please let me know if any more socks turn up, I won't necessarily be actively watching... (I'd judge it fairly likely more will in fact turn up...) ++Lar: t/c 13:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

crash space

Hi Lar-- I just got your msg about crash space-- you'd put it on my user page rather than my user talk page, so I didn't see it until now. It turns out three people are continuing to stay with me, plus I'm moving so the apartment is in complete disarray. That said, if you're really stuck, let me know. Jeremy Tobacman 18:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of template:User christian

refactor to user Arturo 7's talk ++Lar: t/c 20:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedian cinema

Hey Lar, quick off the mark there, thanks for your first few - most of them were on my original shortlist, but fell by the wayside as I had to prune ruthlessly :-(   You need to fix a few disambig links as well ... cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 11:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I will fix later, am at WikiMania... have lots more to add. I dunno if I sholud just say "anything by Kubrick, anything by Hitchcock, anything Grant or Bogie in them" and then do the ones that don't fit that pattern... thanks for standing that up, great idea. and ya, someone needs to do books. maybe I will if no one beats me to it. LOL :)

Later, I did create the book one... ++Lar: t/c 14:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Good adminning

From what I've seen you examine the facts diligently and come to logically sound conclusions. I tip my hat to that. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why thank you! I try. I've been in various online communities for a very long time, since the days of dialup BBS's... I'm trying very hard to do the good things that worked, and to not repeat the mistakes I made, in other communities. I appreciate your feedback... but pride is a thing to watch for. Quoting from my user page (wikipedia section)...

• When I get too proud of my adminship, I need to remember that not everyone looks favorably on my actions here, or in my previous community activities: 1 and 2... (don't discount that user just because they chose to speak anonymously)

++Lar: t/c 13:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Ubuntu talk

I got involved in Wiki as an outsider. I did Google searches and found Wiki coming up as a source quite frequently. I found I could edit articles and I signed up when I found that discussion was better conducted under a username. In the end, however, I am just a guy who likes to do Google searches and find out stuff on Wiki.

I always read the Main Page, as the featured article is usually both informative and a good guide on how Wiki likes its articles to appear. I had never before felt the urge to comment on an article (although I have done one or two typo edits in the past), but was quite surprised at the lack of clarity in the lead paragraph. Not as surprised as the response I got, though, for making the comment. I understand that people can be quite protective of their project, but dismissing any criticism as unconstructive is foolish. Of course the past cannot be changed, but we both know the maxim about those who are unable to learn from the past. The views of persons who do not participate in the creation or appraisal of a piece are no less valid than those who have, and may have the benefit of distance from the subject.

Civility, or the lack of, is the consequence of reasoned debate. Dismissing comment as "Johnny Come Latelies" whingeing is not reasonable. No aspect of criticism has been discussed, only the purported shortcomings of the manner. In my view the defenders of the article have not responded to comments made in good faith in a like manner; and the exasperation of some have lead to some uncivil language. In warning some editors about the language being used it does seem that the lack of reasonable responses is not being addressed. I know you, thus I know that this is not the case but the impression is of a little one-sidedness.LessHeard vanU 19:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC) er, you can edit this down/away once you have read it, if you like. Mark.

Well, first of all, I'm glad you're involved now! You've made some good contributions to articles about The Beatles and so forth... as for this, it's a bit of a tangled web here I guess. I think some of the ubuntu writers may be a bit unnecessarily defensive, yes, but this large number of folk turning up and "taking potshots" is not necessarily easy to receive well, if you see what I mean. Not sure what further to suggest. ++Lar: t/c 05:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

A great flattery indeed!

It is a great flattery, dear Lar, and I will drop by every spin off to add my own selections asap, count on it! :) Btw, if any of you need my help to enhance the format of the new pages, just make sure to call me, and I'll take care of the rest. I hope you had a great time at WM, we really missed you over here! :) Big hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 01:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC) PS.

AWB

Dear Lar, AWB is really messed up for me now - I'll d/l the latest version, but it may take me along while to get it working, and unf, there's no telling how long that can be :( I'll let you know later, hugs! Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 05:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

you may need to upgrade your .net framework? I'm around for a while LMK if I can help. ++Lar: t/c 05:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

My thoughts too: you need .NET framework version 2.0. I'm also available if you need help. --kingboyk 12:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Re Ubuntu discussion

I have responded to your message on my talk page. Suicup 08:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

again. Suicup 12:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm wondering if that ought to go to FARC, because there seems to be several editors with reasonable criticisms of the article. It seems alright to me although hardly brilliant prose or our best work. What do you think Lar? --kingboyk 12:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. WP:FARC is the right place to take criticisms of the article as an FA and work to get it removed if necessary. Suggested improvements to the article are fine on the article talk itself. My focus here is more on the lack of civility in the discussion than the merits of the article itself though. Several editors need warnings, although so far I've only warned one, (and have been engaged in an apparent running battle over the fact that I warned) I have more to do. ++Lar: t/c 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Your kind offer

Gosh - I thought you would come out of the closet as a federal judge and offer me a judicial clerkship based on my exemplary behavior! Got my heart racing!...

I am glad to see you like the Armenian Radio jokes . We Russians are very proud of them. Here's one:

• Question to the Armenian Radio:
  • Can a Zaporozhets (God-awful Soviet car) reach the speed of 100 km/hr?
• Answer of the Armenian Radio after several hours of thinking:
  • Yes, provided it's released at the top of Mount Ararat.

My favorite! :) - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

LMK if you want to take me up on my offer. That joke remindes me of another one... as you know Skoda is a brand of Czech car, now owned by Volkswagen.

Pre Velvet Revolution a guy walks into the auto parts store and says "I'd like to get a mirror for my Skoda"

the counterman thinks for a while, and replies "well, I guess that's a fair trade, so OK. But park it round back, I don't want anyone to know I was such a pushover trader..."

++Lar: t/c 18:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for jumping into someone elses chat (and I was checking for responses to my comment) but I love "Eastern Bloc Car" jokes; mine is "Why were Trabants fitted with heated rear windows? So your hands didn't get cold pushing them...". Okay, I'll unwatch this page and hang my head in shame! (grin) LessHeard vanU 21:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

My mom used to have a Trabant... she didn't think much of it. No need to unwatch. ++Lar: t/c 16:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Newbie needs help.

Talk:LinkedWords - brenneman 18:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm stil a bit ill, and was on my last legs... as evidenced by the cryptic message. - brenneman 23:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorted, I think. No worries mate... now go look at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Crzrussian and User_talk:Crzrussian#Recall_.28see_also_Wikipedia:Administrators.27_noticeboard.2FIncidents.23Crzrussian.29 where I am clerking our first test of Category:Administrators open to recall ++Lar: t/c 23:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• At casual observation, this seems to be going smoothly... but can we not call it "clerking" please? I despise the assigment of titles (and god forbid powers!) to operations that are basically wiki-gnoming. A note as to why the second disavowed editor didn't count would not go astray. It seems to me that this exactly how it should be working, and dolars to donuts CZR will be more careful in the future regardless.
• I'll take a punt and presume your silence on the other issue I asked you to look at as meaning you reckon I was over the line. ^_^ I only just now noticed that the current DRv requires a majority endorsement so with the exact 50/50 balance currently still get overturned. C'est la vie.
  brenneman 03:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What would you like it called instead of clerking? Clerking seems perfectly apropos. Did you see my mail about holding people to their campaign statements? As for DRV I think I forgot. I'll go try to dig up what particular one we are talking of and give it a boo. ++Lar: t/c 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Highways

I noticed your post on the poll talk page. Do you want me to sign you up? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

as an admin willing to try to help suss out what the consensus is? Sure if there aren't enough... ++Lar: t/c 00:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Need Clerkship ASAP

Who are these two clowns coming out of the woodwork!?!? Please help. - CrazyRussian talk/email 22:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Seniority

Thanks for the happy edit day wish. Yes, exactly 2 months to the day. . --Dakota 04:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Recall again

Lar, I'd like to speak with you regarding setting a time limit for this thing. It has now been 48 hours since this story broke. The ANI thread is probably getting archived w/in the next 24. I don't know how long is good, but I am obviously not fit to make the determination. At the same time, I don't want it hanging over my head longer than necessary. Do you think it's appropriate for you to make this decision? - CrazyRussian talk/email 05:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's your call, not mine, appropriatnesswise... But if you are asking me, I'd go with 5 days. more than that is too long but 48 hours is too short. That is my opinion but it's your decision. If you make me make a call, that would be it. ++Lar: t/c 05:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a comment endorsing Dmcdevit request; this is better than a RFAr. FloNight 06:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Have a good and safe trip Lar. You've spent a lot of time fixing up administrative debates lately. As have I...looks like some people think I am some kind of arbitrator....Blnguyen | rant-line 07:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Recall

Hey Lar. No rush on this, given your break. I would like to propose adding question 4 to the usual RFA lineup, as follows: "If promoted, do you plan to join Category:Administrators open to recall and why? If yes, what course of action will you take if recalled?" I would like to get your input first on this idea. If you think this is good or possibly good, I will take it to AN for a discussion. Enjoy your trip. - CrazyRussian talk/email 04:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Make it a part of the permanent question set? Interesting idea. My take was that you were not very keen on the idea after how it came out for you. Do you think this is a good idea or not? ++Lar: t/c 20:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see the Recall process standardized after what happened to me. The truth is I completely brought this upon myself by suggesting it - nobody had thought about recalling me until I volunteered. Do I want this to be RfA Q4? I don't know yet. But I definitely want a discussion. I am really looking for your opinion on the following question: is this going to be a productive discussion or is the notion so utterly ridiculous and implausible that I shouldn't even bother starting one. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am a strong supporter of the idea of recall. I was one of the first people to add myself to the category. I think it is a good one. I think it will work. I don't want to see it be too rigid, I think people should have options and flexibility because it is optional. that said I think it may be premature to go to ANI or to RFA talk without a firm proposal. So I'd ratehr see it hashed out on the category talk page first. But I would love to see the question added to all RfAs going forward, yes. ++Lar: t/c 21:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I will propose this on Cat talk:AOtR. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

user:KarlV

Note here from MangoJuice. He wants to unblock. The "apology" is on Karl's talk page. When he apologizes for inciting people to label me and Samsara neo-nazis I might consider a shorter block, but unblocking right now is unacceptable. pschemp | talk 16:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, I think continuing his indef block is now punitive as he has said he will not repeat the action he was blocked for. Could you please review the block with this in mind? Thanks --Guinnog 18:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Why Comanche was warned and reported

The drop that caused Comanche cph to be reported this time was him calling a fellow editor a "fjeldape" which means mountain ape in the edit summary to this diff. If you look at the very top of this entry you will see a more in depth explanation as to why this is a very bad thing to do.Inge 21:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've rewarned (after he removed a warning from me, an admin) and included that diff. ++Lar: t/c 21:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for caring :) I posted the same answer as above on the Incidents notice board as well, just to let you know. Inge 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Your note

refactored... see below. ++Lar: t/c 03:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:State route naming conventions poll

I've added you to the nominees. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Note on my talkpage

Hi

You have messages.--Dakota 21:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion with SlimVirgin

Refactoring this again, here in the next section is the complete discussion moved from her page and mine, above, to keep it threaded.

Please do not revert me without discussion

Regarding this reversion: ... I gave my reason why I feel it is important that there be a history here of the requests, and you reverted me without any discussion or rebuttal of the reason. Please do not do that going forward, but rather discuss reversion, I would appreciate it. If you have a suggestion as to how to make it clear that there is a history, which I feel is quite important in this particular case, without restoring the template itself I'm very open to that. Would a mention of a diff showing the request be acceptable to you? You can reply here, I prefer conversations to remain threaded and get confused when people reply to me on different pages. ++Lar: t/c 22:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

(refactored, per my request, I prefer threaded, and I do watch pages and reply... ++Lar) Please don't revert you without discussion? And what do you think you did to me, or does it have a different name when you do it? You are going too far with this person, and it's starting to look personal. The only reason he isn't unblocked already is that I have a personal policy of not undoing other admins' blocks where it boils down to personal judgment, unless the circumstances are extreme. As for the tag, it says to remove it after two days, so by all means, leave an edit summary saying that he has already requested an unblock, but remove the first tag. And please note that this editor will be unblocked eventually; you can't block someone indefinitely for what he did. It's an overreaction. SlimVirgin 22:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I did not revert you without discussion, I restored something you removed and explained why, as part of the restoration, it wasn't a pure revert by any means. As for why he's not unblocked already, I think the reason clearly is that there's consensus that unblocking is not the right thing to do and that he should remain indef. blocked. Should consensus change, that's fine, and I'll happily support consensus, as I always do, but I don't see it yet. ++Lar: t/c 22:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

There was no consensus for him to remain indefblocked. The consensus was one month, and he'll be unblocked then at the latest. And you reverted me without discussion. It doesn't matter why you did it. If you don't want others to do it to you, don't do it to them. Please note that your behavior toward this editor is starting to look personal. I strongly advise you to hand this over to a completely disinterested administrator. SlimVirgin 22:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I would really appreciate having the entire discussion between you and I in one place or the other, my talk, or yours. I did the work of getting it refactored onto your page to keep it together and you reverted that off your page without discussion and replied here. This style just does not work for me, I'm sorry. So my reply will be here, and when I have some time I'll reconstruct the discussion threaded properly, yet again, but on my page rather than yours, and I'll thank you not to revert it again. To the substantive points: I deny that I initially reverted you without discussion, (I after all said "I am restoring this because..." which is discussion) now or ever, while the history on Karl's page, and on your page itself show quite clearly that you on the other hand have done so several times. Further, I deny that there is no consensus for an indef block of this editor and I deny that I am taking this more personally than you are. I've never met the guy, and never edited the article in question, but I see trouble in this guy and see no reason to beleive that WP would be better served with him able to edit than it is now, with him unable to cause further trouble. I think you will have a hard time showing that consensus was what you say it was, the conclusion the last time this was dredged up was pretty clear to me and just about everyone else. I'll hand this off to a completely disinterested administrator and disengage if you will as well, because I suspect your interest in this is way too strong at this point. ++Lar: t/c 06:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Since I have oddly missed out on an apparent saga and would not know Karl from a bar of soap, is there any reason I can't be a "disinterested administrator?" (If it involves webcomics, simpsons, or internet "memes" then I'd probably be accused of bias.)
brenneman 06:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Restoration

I restored the warnings, hope you are happy now.

As a genaral tought, it seems quite unfair, at least from my POV, that you keep pushing me around telling me to read this and that, and yet failing to even cite a single sentence. If you want to be heard, you should show you have some sort of interest in the matter, not putting the burden of finding "proofs" of your statements on others. --Kwame Nkrumah 15:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the one misbehaving here, you are. Further, it's your duty to understand our traditions, policies and practices by doing your homework, not mine to spoon feed you. If you again do something blockable, and I'm the blocking admin, I'll cite what you're in violation of at that time, don't worry. Meanwhile, do your homework, and drop the "I have issues with everyone" schtick... it doesn't fly well. ++Lar: t/c 00:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

"I'm not the one misbehaving here, you are": you still need to prove this statement.

"it's your duty to understand our traditions, policies and practices by doing your homework": I am well aware of our traditions, policies and practice, since I have been WP contributor since 2002.

"not mine to spoon feed you": right, apart the fact that if you block me for something, or menace me to block me, you must come up with some sort rule I broke, apart your personal opinion

"I'll cite what you're in violation of at that time": will this be the rule I broke or some sort of general and all-encompassing "disruption, trolling and personal attacks"?

"I have issues with everyone": if you refer to the user page, there is nothing about having that.

--Kwame Nkrumah 02:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

You've been a contributor since 2002??? Under what ID? shows 30 July of this year as your earliest. So you're saying this id of yours is a restart or a sock? OK, whatever. You've been warned. We're done. ++Lar: t/c 02:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Goldom's RFA thanks

Did you know

...that you last name derives from the Polish word "pieniądze", meaning "money"? Pecher 21:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed I did! I've also heard it has the meaning "small coins" or "small change"... Thanks for sharing! :) ++Lar: t/c 00:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

{{WPBeatles}}

Hi Lar. I've introduced some major changes to our template, and I think the most esoteric template award will shortly be ours muahahaha! :) It could do with some reformatting though, if you're game. I was thinking perhaps we could lose the zebra crossing picture and have . --kingboyk 09:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll give it a boo. Personally I like the zebra, and would keep it and lose the portal. but the more important stuff is how you folded in bio. wonder if the music stuff should be folded in too? ++Lar: t/c 15:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Albums and songs have been folded in. I'm not sure there's any other Projects who share scope with us which are worth including (we have a few Film articles but not many; I don't know of any other relevant music Projects). I still have a couple of things to tweak, most notably bios needing infoboxes/attention (see template talk). --kingboyk 15:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

RE: Don't forget to mail me!

Sure thing! As the CfD seems to have gotten a bit out of control, I'd just as soon leave well enough alone in terms to adding or removing content from the category. That being said, I thought that you had some good explanations and it would certainly help those who choose not to place themselves in that category understand what you're (the admins in the category) there for. As I mentioned on the CfD, I believe the category could prove to be a great resource if approached in a different manner, as the principle seems to be valuable and well-meaning. hoopydink 23:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I've suggested it on the talk page: WT:ROUGE ++Lar: t/c 19:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

YAY

Thanks! I thought it was pretty funny too. ++Lar: t/c 18:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Koumpounophobia

refactored to User_talk:Mikkalai#Koumpounophobia ++Lar: t/c 00:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:)

-- Where has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

I'm confused

re: Category:Administrators open to recall — I was about to ask Piotr to consider standing for recall, and I saw your note to see your new template! Now I can't figure out whether it is a compliment I'd taken it to be (I was going to ask you too once I saw your tracks) or a slap in the face. Clue me in. Please! (I may need to mend a couple of unintended insults!) Cheers! // FrankB 05:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean. Asking someone to stand for recall is saying that you have issues with their admin actions. What issues do you have with Piotr's admin actions? What issues do you have with mine? ++Lar: t/c 10:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Which is the sense your template made me realize was the way it was meant... and goes in line a whole lot better of the normal sense of the word 'recall'. (Hey at 2am, that was virtual 'genius' to put together after following various twisty RfC and AN/I issues for 3 straight hours--I'm just back from vacation and playing catch-up big-time!)

When I stumbled across the cat, the way it's page top is written, it made me think some of the more idealistic meely mouth trending sort of crap I've seen going on around here lately while some P.C. crowd renamed things— 'Discussion' used as a polite euphemism for 'Deletion', et. al. — so I inferred incorrectly that their had been some guideline suggesting term expirations for admins that was in a voluntary state, so explained the sparse population of said category.

Since I saw some good admins listed on there who might well have added their names to said voluntary cat consistant with my opinion their nature (towering 'nobility'? <g>) and good moral principles, I diverted to ask them to 're-enlist'.

Ahem! When I saw your note to see your new template as I was about to ask Piotr to 're-enlist' (stand for recall), I came to look too, and realized mine goofy original thought was off base (He says wiping only two eggs off his forehead with a sigh of relief, glad to have solved this latest wiki-curveball).

As to you and Piotr, specifically, on a scale of zero to +10, mine issues rate somewhere off scale in the negative numbers... which is to say less than no issues of import at all, at all! (More like I now owe you a favor as well as other accumulated good will, now that you've saved me further embarrassment!) So thanks for the clear template!

'Scuse me for the brain sneeze and thanks again! Best! // FrankB 14:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Beatle fan!

Check out Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Never Stop Doing What You Love - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

If you'd not given up WikiStalking me Lar you'd have seen it before now :) Although, granted, wikistalking me these last few days would have been a full time job. --kingboyk 18:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry mate, I've different prey in my sights these days. ++Lar: t/c 18:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

In case you've taken it off your watchlist after I closed it, see - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Musicians

Misplaced Pages is in sore need of a policy on for musician pages, and you have been active in this area before. Therefore, please provide your comments and opinions on the policies there. Thanks in advance! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esprit15d (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

can you please unblock User:Light current?

... i know him to be a regular and useful wikipedian and have convinced myself that you have erred in blocking him in the first place. User:Drini unblocked him to fix this oversight and you "corrected" that and reblocked him. perhaps, by now, User:Light current is unblocked, but i can't tell that. he's a technical editor and we need his input on another issue. r b-j 20:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Answered on his talk. I think Drini actually did not unblock him (the way I read the block log) and further did not err in imposing the block, but I have told Drini that if Drini wants to unblock he should feel free to do so with my compliments. I will say that I find this user to be quite tendentious in his comments and in need of some civility improvement. If he continues behaving the way his talk page shows, he may well find himself blocked again. ++Lar: t/c 21:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. Drini never unblocked him. pschemp | talk 21:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: FYI regarding User:Comanche cph

refactored to User_talk:Magore#FYI_regarding_User:Comanche_cph ++Lar: t/c 21:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA

refactored to User_talk:Martinp23#see_also... ++Lar: t/c 21:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Mike18xx

As an administrator can you please take action against User:Mike18xx in regard to the diffs I posted on AN/I. As has unfortunately become too typical of AN/I it seems that my report is going to be ignored and buried amongst the other reports. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 01:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Now he is making false accusations of vandalism:

rv errors, loaded-insinuation phrases and straight-up rubbish for reasons cited previously. This is just vandalism now. --Jersey Devil 01:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I have warned him, let's keep an eye on this. ++Lar: t/c 02:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Frank Lloyd DRV

Hey Lar, I'd very much like you to follow up on your comment at the Frank Lloyd DRV. It seems like we were saying the same thing more or less, or maybe I misunderstood your comment or you mine (or both)? In any case, here is fine since the DRV seems to be moribund. Cheers, trialsanderrors 06:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant to comment but I see it's closed, my bad. Not sure where to hang expansion of that comment now. ++Lar: t/c

Feel free to comment here or on my talk page. This is pure wonkery, so I doubt anyone but the two of us care. Cheers, trialsanderrors 08:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

LC recent blocking

Apology accepted. No hard feelings 8-)--Light current 05:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Comanche cph again

It seems as Comanche cph has violated the 3RR again, this time on Stockholm. As well as a couple of NPOV issues in articles Stockholm and Copenhagen, although it is actually the same case/dispute. (He seems bound and determined to have Copenhagen listed as the largest city in Scandinavia, regardless of facts and figures. This because Stockholm in his opinion "cheats" by counting too much area, thus reaching a higher population figure, or something like that.) /M.O (u) (t) 09:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've commented and warned but you may not like the approach I took. See the talk page, his talk page and also Wikipedia_talk:Lamest_edit_wars#Stockholm ++Lar: t/c 14:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

That's just fine by me, and it is a lame edit war in many respects. But in order to protect the factual accuracy of the articles on Misplaced Pages (so far noone else have supported Comanches claims, yet he refuses to listen), you must allow yourself to go lame every now and then. ;-) Hopefully Comanche cph will start listening to reason after you coming by the talk page, since he knows who you are and that you are an administrator. /M.O (u) (t) 14:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, let us hope. He's exhausting my patience... he will exhaust everyone's soon enough if he doesn't change his ways. ++Lar: t/c 15:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, hope has nothing to do with anything. Comanche cph just started his edit war again, same article. This time against a fourth editor who like to keep what we earlier have accomplished by reaching a consensus. Would you mind taking a look? /M.O (u) (t) 15:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Already? ok ++Lar: t/c 15:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is not over yet. . (and please note that Barend's edit is not a "blanking" despite Comanche's edit summary.) Suggestions please! Valentinian 23:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

If you don't mind me adding to your burden, you're more than welcome to have a look at the talk page for Stockholm - It seems that Comanche cph is doing his best to mess upp the discussion, by moving messages from other editors to other places in the message hierarchy. Thanks in advance for your help, btw. /M.O (u) (t) 00:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys. Call me what you want. But you know that Copenhagen is by far largest in Scandinavia, in considering counting same area space. This is a fact. Don't you also think it's a little weird if Stockholm was a larger city, but have lesser density. --Comanche cph 00:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

you are editwarring over something lame, in the teeth of consensus, and that's not acceptable. I'm tired of it and your behaviour. ++Lar: t/c 01:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Comanche_cph (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) has been blocked for 48 hours. ++Lar: t/c 01:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that Comanche cph has gotten into another edit war already (the article about Vikings), going against consensus and reverting excessively. I'm not sure if he's violated the 3RR already, I've only noted that he has more than 8 edits to the article only as of today. And knowing him, I guess it is only a matter of time before he oversteps. Would you mind having a look at the article? /M.O (u) (t) 14:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll give it a look within an hour or two. about to leave for work at the moment but will look into it, thanks for letting me know. ++Lar: t/c 14:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll ask him to stop, and leave this article as it is, hopefully he will listen this time. If not, I'll let you know. /M.O (u) (t) 14:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother. I stole 2 min, looked at his history, and found this: !!!! We do not call people sluts here, it is just Not Done. Just NOT. Blocked for a week. ++Lar: t/c 14:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Extended to a month after his latest comment. ++Lar: t/c 15:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How to procede?

Greetings Lar.

Sorry to bother you with this one again, but please advice how people are supposed to procede regarding the Copenhagen / Stockholm mess. I believe a lot of us try to avoid being accused of edit warring, but I'm pretty sure most of us don't have a clue as to how we're supposed to procede now. I can only consider Comanche's last edit to be not only bad English but also confusing. Copenhagen is more densely populated than Stockholm (we all know this now but that is pretty much it). I just rechecked the figures, they are: Copenhagen: 5695 inh./km² (municipality)/ 2659/km² (metropolian region) , Stockholm 4,124.91 /km² (municipality) / 499.69 (metropolitan region), Oslo: 1,225/km², Helsinki: 3,049.7 /km². The "biggest city by km2 argument is problematic as well: Metropolitan Copenhagen: 455.61 km², Metropolitan Stockholm: 3,472.25 (but much less populated). However, as I understand you, the rest of us are not allowed to remove or reword this sentence until we get a consensus with him (which is completely unlikely). As I understand you, we are also not allowed to add {{fact}} or similar. Completely unrelated, I'd also like to update the image descriptions on a few images on the page on Copenhagen. Please advice what we are supposed to do. Cheers. Valentinian 08:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Consensus is not unanimity, for if it were, one dissenting voice would block progress. I adjudge that since User:comanche cph continued to edit the body of the articles after being warned to work for consensus on the talk pages, he is not interested in working to get to consensus. His dissenting voice does not change that the rest of you have arrived at a working consensus (for consensus does not mean unanimity) on what the proper wordings are about sizes, you should change the articles back to reflect that consensus, in my view. If there are places that are still in need of the {{fact}} template, put them there, I say. I'll say something to that effect on the talk pages. Does that work for you? ++Lar: t/c 14:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answer. Yes indeed it does. As you have nodoubt already noticed, a user passing by has already reverted Comanche's edit to "Copenhagen". I can only agree that this article - like all other articles - needs to be properly referenced, and needless to say I'd really love if the articles on Copenhagen, Denmark and Stockholm (and Oslo, Norway and Sweden) would one day gain FA status, alas they all need some work. I guess I'll get along with updating the image descriptions then. I must also admit that some of us have begun making some minor tweaks to the article on Denmark-Norway. We don't have unanimity there either, but I think the rest of us have reached a pretty good Norwegian-Danish-American consensus. Happy editing. Valentinian 14:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Btw, part of my confusion was based on the similarity between "consensus" and the corresponding Danish word konsensus. I am pretty used to consider this word to be almost the same as enstemmighed ("unanimity"), but perhaps I just think too much like a politician in this respect. Cheers. Valentinian 15:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there

I thought you might be interested in contributing here, . Cheers, --Palffy 17:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi. Considering that you thought the way we handled the revert situation on Stockholm was appaling, I want to ask for your assistance on article Scanian War. As you can see from history we haven't progressed. Talk:Scanian_War#Result clearly shows that consensus wants the result to be "No Result", while user:Killerman2 insists that the result should be "Sweden won". Should the article be protected, should there be a block issued? I'd appreciate your advice.

I also want to know, if it is appropriate that I protect the article to the version I prefer? Or should I always avoid protecting articles I am involved in? Thanks!

Fred-Chess 18:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Appalling was a bit harsh of a way to put it I guess, sorry if I came across strongly. I think we got to the right result. As for Scanian War, Is Killerman2 reverting excesively? That would be the reason for a block. It is not, in my view, appropriate for an involved admin to issue the protect to his favorite version. I have no skin in the game and can take a look, can it keep till later tonite when I get to California? I'd rather avoid protects if I can. I've said a bit there already. ++Lar: t/c 19:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. There is no hurry in this. If Killerman2 is reverting excessively, I will block myself, as per WP:3RR.

I think he stays below 4 / 24 hours -- however, you say that you will hand out blocks to those involved in reverting back and forth, does this include those who act based on consensus? The history, that I linked to above, shows Twthmoses reverting back Killerman2's changes. I have confidence in Twthmoses's reverts, but would it be better of him to stop reverting? What other actions can he undertake, or ask an admin to undertake?

Fred-Chess 05:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

If consensus is clear, and people are reverting to get back to consensus, and staying within the 3RR guideline I would not block. If we can't get through to Killerman2, I'll protect the page (better me than you because you're "involved" in the content dispute) but I'd rather not do that. ++Lar: t/c 07:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA

We last discussed my RfA on my talk page, so I'm returning the compliment here. I'm particularly saddened to see you join the opposes. I hope that this is because you have not had time to read the entire debate, as I point out how my proposed solution would fit in with all the foundation policy and aims. Stephen B Streater 22:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Mike18xx Again

The user has not responded to your warning (or that of various other administrators for that matter) and has continued to make edit summaries with uncivil personal attacks and soapboxing:

• I didn't say strike didn't have "impact" -- and don't BS in your summary when your real intention is to restore fluffery.
• remove Marxist class-warfare rhetoric (eg, "student groups" are not a "well-off sector"). A collapsing economy precipitated the strike; it was not the result of it
• Changed sentence had two erroneous implications: That falling copper and aid were alone responsible for economic declines, which in turn were alone responsible for Allende's downfall.
• Rv "fluffing". First paragraph replaced with wording similar to main Allende bio entry.
• rv; pic did contain source information. Everyone keep an eye on Holocaust-related pics, as there appears to be a campaign afoot to delete them at Misplaced Pages (this was on an image removed by Orphanbot)

--Jersey Devil 01:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll look at it when I get a chance, hopefully tonite, but meanwhile, is that last sentence the tone you really want to take with me? it's not quite as collegial as I prefer. Admins are volunteers, please remember that. ++Lar: t/c 01:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, sometimes when you write on the internet you don't realize the way it looks to other people. Looking back at it I guess I see your point. However, it does get quite frustrating when nothing is done about trouble users and when I use the venue of AN/I only to be ignored.--Jersey Devil 01:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

NP. I have warned him again, if he persists, he knows now that that was his last warning and my next move will be a block. As for not getting responses on AN/I all I can suggest is to make the case again to keep the thread visible on the page (the auto archiver removes things if they are a bit dated). ++Lar: t/c 14:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read my post to Wikiwoohoo on his talk page ("Advocacy request"), and also Pablo D. Flores's posted discussions with Mike18xx on his. I, too, have had more than enough of Mike18xx's "contributions", his four-flushing, and his continuing poor attitude. Zephyrad 06:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lar. Hope I haven't stepped on your toes; I am not a patient man. I've just blocked Mike18xx for 48 hours (he's had multiple 24 hours blocks before) for disruption, abusive language and personal attacks. If this interferes with any form of mediation or discussion, feel free to lift the block. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 12:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Only a teeny little bit.... My only beef, however slight, was that I was hoping to get an answer to this first. I suspect his answer would have made a very good case for a block... I'll have to wait till he comes off before we find out what he says. I'm not that patient either, believe it or not. Not with this user. ++Lar: t/c 12:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin Recall Clerking request

Hey Lar,

Up for a little recall clerking? My user talk page? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Messages

refactored to User_talk:Huatai. ++Lar: t/c 13:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Will you please

Block this user. He keeps vandalizing and I have left his IP at WP:AIV but nothing has been done. His IP is 139.130.43.70. Thanks a lot. Wikipediarules2221 23:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

this one? 139.130.43.70 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) That's an IP, we have to be cautious of blocking these for too long due to collateral damage. Note also that this IP was blocked at 19:30 today UTC and the vandalism stopped. ++Lar: t/c 23:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

comanche

refactored to: User_talk:Dbachmann#Thanks_for_the_backstop.21 ++Lar: t/c 16:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Mathbot help

Hi Lar. I was wondering if you could spare some time helping me with the article assessment part of the Belfast Project. Steve has given me some help already. :) I asked him a couple more questions, but he maybe hasn't had the time to help out with them. Here they are:

• OK - I wanted to include the Belfast categories in the project.. without having to create a sub-project. I was wondering if you could take a look at a test replacement for WPBelfast I've created in my user space, and let me know if it'll work once I've created the relevant category pages.
• Just noticed that your bot (User:Kingbotk) tagged Graham Reid (writer) with the Living persons bio template. I was wondering what the procedure would be with this considering I'm about to tag the article with the WPBelfast template.
• Another problem I've found. The WPBelfast tag has a couple of links to it which point to some gaming project page. I looked at the code and couldn't find a single mention. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance. --Mal 16:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look, time permitting. I think maybe you have me confused with Steve as I don't have a bot (or AWB semibot automation)... so bullet point 2 may be off? I'll try to read and see what you are trying to accomplish. Have you set up the categories yet? This may be useful reading: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Council/Guide, particularly the "assessment" section if you've not read it yet. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 16:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

"or AWB semibot automation" - bah! It has a bot flag (yep! fully legal now!) so it is a bot!! :) I get where you're coming from though :) Seriously, I'd love it if AWB was available as a library and then I would create a real standalone bot but, for now, AWB is plenty good enough. --kingboyk 18:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I basically copied the questions I'd asked Steve from his talk page Lar. So the bot question still applies, if you know anything about this aspect of it.

Steve - I hope I didn't offend you by running off and asking someone else the same questions. I just thought you might be too busy doing your own stuff, and I didn't want to keep pestering you!

Anyway - I've created the categories, and I've created one category for the Belfast categories(!) for testing the additional scope for the Mathbot. I've had a look at the WPBeatles one and I haven't managed to get my head round it fully yet. Full of nesting and an unfamiliar format.

Anyway - when you have the time guys - your help is appreciated, as usual. :) --Mal 22:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

WPBeatles is tres complex. Try looking at Firefly's one or the Native American one, both ones that I know work and that I have looked at in the past. ++Lar: t/c 23:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

No offence taken Mal, and I'm always happy to help you - you're one of the good guys! :) I'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve though given that the Belfast article assessments already work? Index · Statistics · Log. --kingboyk 23:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

OK basically I'm trying to make it so that the categories are included in the assessment, and also the Article_Page/Comments works too. I've got another page to look at which I've only just seen.. and I'll try looking at Firefly (great show btw) and the Native American one too. Cheers. --Mal 00:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do now that you've clarified what is wanted. Give me a link to a comments subpage on soe article or another to use as a test, would you Mal? ++Lar: t/c 14:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

One test I'd made was for the article Dundonald. I made changes to the WPBelfast template on a subpage in my userspace, if you want to look at it: User:Setanta747/New WPBelfast template. And I tagged one category too: Category talk:Belfast built ships, which the Mathbot should have already seen.

Meanwhile, I'm going to look at the Firefly project and a couple of otheres that I never got the chance to look at last night. Cheers. --Mal 00:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I've had a go at the Comments page solution from the Firefly template (just copied a few lines from the bottom).. hopefully it will work first time! lol --Mal 01:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I think your fixes worked. see Talk:RMS_Titanic for example, I added ratings and a comment in support and the box is doing what I expected it to. if that's not right please advise .++Lar: t/c 05:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments not QUITE working right, see here: Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index#Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Belfast... Branaugh worked, Titanic didn't. Not sure why. All looked right to me. Let's discuss there? ++Lar: t/c 17:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Oleg reran things and it worked this time. No idea why but I think you could carry on. ++Lar: t/c 18:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Lar. I'll keep an eye on it with a few more test comments maybe, and let Oleg know on the Editorial Team page if I notice any problems. --Mal 20:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. ++Lar: t/c 20:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I have an interesting proposal which I'm going to add to Misplaced Pages talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index in just a moment regarding others who might want to start projects. --Mal 20:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The Titanic

I read your assessment of the Titanic, and I'd tend to disagree with your importance assessment. The Titanic is very much an important aspect to the culture and history of Belfast. From memory, the ship employed somewhere in the region of 15,000 people, and the building of it remains a matter of certain pride that this distinguished, yet tragic, ship was built here. There are murals on gable ends in the east of the city, depicting the building and launching from Belfast, and there are historical societies dedicated to it and cultural events also throughout the city. My personal opinion is that it would be top or high importance.

I just wanted to discuss this with you here before making any changes. In fact, I think I might make comments on its talk page to see what others think.

Its interesting to have an 'outside' perspective though - thank you. I haven't really begun assessing many articles yet - I'm concentrating on adding the template to the talk pages. I've just realised that the articles page will probably end up being very long - there's already 290 articles. I was thinking that it might be necessary to split them into further sub-cats a la the Beatles project's John, Paul, George, Ringo, Apple, Martin and Epstein.

Currently I'm working on trying to add the logic for adding Belfast categories to a Belfast categories assessment. --Mal 20:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries. You'd know far better than I as to its significance, please feel free to change it and put a boiled down version of the above on the ../Comments subpage if you feel you need to justify your thinking! As for the subdivisions, I am not sure it's needed for a project your size. I'd be leery of too much division and complexity. Get people involved in your project I'd say. Note also that The Beatles subcats are not splits, but overlaps. ++Lar: t/c 20:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

Thank you, Sir, I'm honoured to say the least. I don't think the post was that terrific, but I'll think about your suggestion. Btw, I don't really know what the correct procedure is to create an essay on Misplaced Pages, so if you have any information I'd appreciate it. Comanche is unfortunately a case in point why I hate some Danish history books. Back in the 1980s, I was still a schoolboy wanting to learn more about the "missing" pieces of the historical Danish realm. I don't think I'll ever forget the suspicion I was met with back then, since this was clearly considered a very odd request. The standard argument I was met with was "no need to rip up old wounds, read about something else." What really bothers me is that it is not that many years ago that I held some of the same views that Comanche holds, but I'm trying my best to crush this blindness. I can only hope that age will grant him more wisdom, but I can't completely shake off the feeling that I'm starring into a cracked mirror. The problem with Danish history is that many of the ghosts that haunted our ancestors have not been driven away completely.

One of the main reasons why I spend my time on the English Misplaced Pages rather than the Danish one is that I like getting input from people with other sources available than my own. Many articles are still pretty-much a one-man project, but it is always a lot more interesting getting feedback on what you write. The quote I mentioned was made by User:Tasoskessaris and when I think back on a conversation I had with him, perhaps there might be material for an essay after all. I'll think about it. I hope one day a kid in Denmark will be able to go down to his school library and check out a book on the Danish-Norwegian union that both Danes, Norwegians and Germans will say tells the truth, and that nobody will consider this request odd. We are definitely making progress, but we're not there yet. Thanks again, Sir and take care. Valentinian 18:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome... I'd just make it an essay hung off your userpage at first, if it catches on people will move it on their own... but if you want to tag something as a formal essay you can just crib the tagging from other essays. Best wishes. ++Lar: t/c 18:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit counts

Do you know how to get a reliable edit count these days? (I think my bot has probably passed 100,000). --kingboyk 18:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This is what I use: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js?username=Lar it's kinda slow but does seem accurate... you'll get a "this script seems to be hanging" after your FireFox freezes for a while, say OK rather than cancel and let it trundle for a while. ++Lar: t/c 18:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Navbox

refactored to User_talk:The_Halo#User:Lar.2FWikipedian_navbox ++Lar: t/c 00:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Buy4Now

Yeah, I'd appreciate it if -any- admin undeleted and AfD'ed it; although I'm not sure quite how the article stating that the largest broadcaster and monopoly telephone company in the country its from use it doesn't assert notability... Thanks. --Kiand 14:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll look into undeleting it for you. Meanwhile i suggest you list it on DRV, I'll provide the link to the undeleted article once it's listed. Let me know the link to the DRV listing once you make it. ++Lar: t/c 14:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

here is the DRV entry. --Kiand 14:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion length on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Guinnog

Hmm, I'm not sure I appreciate being 'threatened' (sorry I realise that's probably far too strong a word, but I can't think of a better one) with a revert if I move it. The RFA instructions at the top of the page do say "Long discussions are held on the discussion page of the individual nomination.", and of course a clear, prominent link would be made to (i.e. so as not to bury it). It would be easier to have the extensive discussions this has obviously raised on the talk page. Petros471 16:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Not threatening you, just letting you know that I strongly disagree with moving a fast moving discussion off to the side, where it won't be seen (because honestly, almost no one reads the talk page) when it is this early in the thread. I think it gives the appearance (and the effect) of trying to hide things. That may not be the intent but it's the outcome. I have serious concerns about this nom as you are now well aware, and his answers are not helping matters at all, and I suspect that when others see them, more will come out. Hiding that, given how hard it is to undo adminship nowadays, seems bad. However.... what link would you give? If the link carried a sense that there are very very serious concerns about the nom and that it was important that they be read, I might be less resistant. People blow through these things too fast in my view. ++Lar: t/c 16:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I wish talk pages on RFA were used a lot more than they are now and yes, unfortunately, it's true that they often don't get read, hence the need for a clear pointer towards it. I would have put something like this:

Due to length concerns, replies to this have been moved to the talk page, where discussion is ongoing.

You are of course welcome to suggest a different way of wording it. More in line with what you said above, how about:

Due to length concerns, replies to this have been moved to the talk page, where discussion is ongoing. Please read these, as they add additional concerns.

I really hope this RFA produces the right outcome (whatever that is), that's the reason I spent so long with Guinnog on IRC and via email discussing many things. We've obviously come to a different conclusion but I guess that's life :) Petros471 17:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll give it careful consideration. But both those wordings seem to give the length concern (trivial) equal or greater billing with the concern with the nominee (much more important in my view that we get to the right decision than that we worry about length) ++Lar: t/c 20:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If it's that important lets just keep it there then. It's really not that big a deal either way. I'd hate to see a discussion about a discussion length get longer than the original discussion ;-) Petros471 20:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe the RfA instructions in this area ought to be discussed generically? This has bothered me several times now in various RfAs... ++Lar: t/c

Hey

Would you be interested in participating with regards to this issue since you've already given input into this earlier? Thanks, --Palffy 01:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

This guy (if not someone else's sockpuppet) definitely has a civility problem. He seems to enjoy "causing troubles" with a certain sense of "self-righteousness". Please note that I generally assume good faith on a 99.9% of the cases but given his history of contributions I would support measures such as a possible community ban in future if things do not improve. He has been causing unnecessary grievance to too many people. Regards, E Asterion 04:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

LEGOs, Wikis and servers, oh my!

I saw that you were a LEGOist and your comment about possibly merging Brikipedia and Brickwiki onto a Wikia server. I was looking for a LEGO wiki to get involved with, but the performance just navigating Brickwiki gave me pause. But the project and its content is further along. I'm having a You got Peanut Butter in my Chocolate crisis and didn't know if you had heard anything more. — MrDolomite | Talk 07:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to suggest. I think talking to the admins and the hardware owner there is the way to go, but being hosted on wikia has a lot of attractiveness. ++Lar: t/c 12:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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