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| Excellent comment today on AS Talk page ]. I have been saddened to see the recent encouragement of mud-slinging and think your take on things is wonderfully appropriate. Thanks for the redirection of energies you have suggested. ]--Kiwi 18:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | Excellent comment today on AS Talk page ]. I have been saddened to see the recent encouragement of mud-slinging and think your take on things is wonderfully appropriate. Thanks for the redirection of energies you have suggested. ]--Kiwi 18:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| Hi, Keyne. I'm glad you let me know. I see you do not have e-mail activated: I do. | |||
| My opinion is that some causes are lost causes, and will only bring perpetual grief upon your head. I think the issues there are clear to any outside reader. Also, I have been in mediation twice with this person, and Zeraeph refused to mediate, so I don't know if you will get any resolution of the issue. In my case, mediation only gave Zeraeph the means by which to further spread innuendo about me across many other forums. I do understand the irritation at being called a sock/meat puppet, but you have nothing to worry about, since truth is on your side, and the evidence will bear that out. Accusations of sock/meat puppetry are taken very seriously on Wiki, and require real proof: obviously, as you and I both know, there is none. You are so much more level-headed in your commentary, and precise in your writing than I am, so it actually flatters me that anyone finds similarities in our writing styles :-) I'm sorry to take pleasure in your obvious discomfort :-) The other irony is that I am *so* busy on Misplaced Pages, I can't imagine where I would find the time, energy, or wherewithal to spend time in sock or meat puppetry: I wouldn't know if I was coming or going :-)) | |||
| I also find the MedCab to be, at times, even worse than useless. At times, they do more harm than good. Anyone can take a case, so you can get a mediator who is literally brand-new to Wiki, doesn't know policies, and really messes thing up. I strongly suggest that, if the serious allegations against you continue, you take it to the *real* mediators, at ]. I have had *one* good mediator at MedCab, but unfortunately, he won't be able to take your case because of the conflict of interest of having defended me against Zeraeph's previous allegations against me. I'm sorry to say that MedCab will drag you through the mud, and I don't believe it will get you any result or satisfaction. My *real* recommendation, though, is that you simply ignore Zeraeph. The behaviors are not going to change, with or without mediation, or regardless of your actions. The AS article will be fine, as so many FAR reviewers are now aware of the problems. In your shoes, I'd try not to worry about unfounded allegations, although I fully understand that is easier said than done. | |||
| I have an exceedingly busy two weeks coming up, with limited internet access. But, 1) there is no case, and 2) I don't believe mediation will address the fundamental issues occurring here. I wish you the best, stay in touch even if I delay in responding over the next few weeks, I am *really* *really* sorry to see you being drug through this. | |||
| I don't mind if you link this response in to the case, although I don't recommend that: I simply do not believe you will get any satisfaction, resolution, or justice from MedCab. It only works if both parties are willing. Good luck, ] 14:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :PS, in case you need them, the previous cases involving Zeraeph: ] and ]. ] 14:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oh, well, that last post was silly of me. I see now that things have progressed way beyond that. Well, I'll be ignoring the entire thing. Glad to hear you're in Chicago: although I travel a lot and an IP check on me will reveal that, I've fortunately not traveled to the midwest :-) Best of luck, ] 14:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Not sure why an anon is insisting on adding Wrong Planet to the external links on Asperger syndrome, when it's already listed under See also, but all the editors might have to decide how to best handle this. I've long thought a new, and more comprehensive, template might solve a lot of these issues. Sandy 22:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Excellent comment today on AS Talk page Asperger Syndrome. I have been saddened to see the recent encouragement of mud-slinging and think your take on things is wonderfully appropriate. Thanks for the redirection of energies you have suggested. Kiwi--Kiwi 18:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, Keyne. I'm glad you let me know. I see you do not have e-mail activated: I do.
My opinion is that some causes are lost causes, and will only bring perpetual grief upon your head. I think the issues there are clear to any outside reader. Also, I have been in mediation twice with this person, and Zeraeph refused to mediate, so I don't know if you will get any resolution of the issue. In my case, mediation only gave Zeraeph the means by which to further spread innuendo about me across many other forums. I do understand the irritation at being called a sock/meat puppet, but you have nothing to worry about, since truth is on your side, and the evidence will bear that out. Accusations of sock/meat puppetry are taken very seriously on Wiki, and require real proof: obviously, as you and I both know, there is none. You are so much more level-headed in your commentary, and precise in your writing than I am, so it actually flatters me that anyone finds similarities in our writing styles :-) I'm sorry to take pleasure in your obvious discomfort :-) The other irony is that I am *so* busy on Misplaced Pages, I can't imagine where I would find the time, energy, or wherewithal to spend time in sock or meat puppetry: I wouldn't know if I was coming or going :-))
I also find the MedCab to be, at times, even worse than useless. At times, they do more harm than good. Anyone can take a case, so you can get a mediator who is literally brand-new to Wiki, doesn't know policies, and really messes thing up. I strongly suggest that, if the serious allegations against you continue, you take it to the *real* mediators, at WP:RFM. I have had *one* good mediator at MedCab, but unfortunately, he won't be able to take your case because of the conflict of interest of having defended me against Zeraeph's previous allegations against me. I'm sorry to say that MedCab will drag you through the mud, and I don't believe it will get you any result or satisfaction. My *real* recommendation, though, is that you simply ignore Zeraeph. The behaviors are not going to change, with or without mediation, or regardless of your actions. The AS article will be fine, as so many FAR reviewers are now aware of the problems. In your shoes, I'd try not to worry about unfounded allegations, although I fully understand that is easier said than done.
I have an exceedingly busy two weeks coming up, with limited internet access. But, 1) there is no case, and 2) I don't believe mediation will address the fundamental issues occurring here. I wish you the best, stay in touch even if I delay in responding over the next few weeks, I am *really* *really* sorry to see you being drug through this.
I don't mind if you link this response in to the case, although I don't recommend that: I simply do not believe you will get any satisfaction, resolution, or justice from MedCab. It only works if both parties are willing. Good luck, Sandy 14:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- PS, in case you need them, the previous cases involving Zeraeph: Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-19 Domineering Editor on Asperger Syndrome and Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-23 User:Zeraeph. Sandy 14:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, well, that last post was silly of me. I see now that things have progressed way beyond that. Well, I'll be ignoring the entire thing. Glad to hear you're in Chicago: although I travel a lot and an IP check on me will reveal that, I've fortunately not traveled to the midwest :-) Best of luck, Sandy 14:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)