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Re: Congratulations

Thanks for the congratulations and for voting! What does all that text mean? --liquidGhoul 13:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's the choir from The Frogs. Frogs greeting the hero Dionysus on his journey into the underworld () Thought that was somehow befitting the occasion. :-) -- 13:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool --liquidGhoul 13:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Gigantic Pink RfA Banner!

		Thanks for contributing to my successful RfA!
		To the people who have supported my request: I appreciate the show of confidence in me and I hope I live up to your expectations! To the people who opposed the request: I'm certainly not ignoring the constructive criticism and advice you've offered. I thank you as well! ♥! ~Kylu (u|t) 20:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the congratulatory message. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

NikosPolitis

Got your message. Thing is, the checkuser request was "inconclusive," and the guy has only made two edits, which is probably why. For now, I'll WP:AGF, but if further evidence comes up, let me know. Mangojuice 14:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Question

Please check out the newly completed Greek diaspora, and help me with a problem. How many countries should we include in the out of date infobox at Greeks? The first 10, the first 20? --Tēlex 14:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Difficult to say. It's a question of weighing three independent factors of "importance" against each other: (a) absolute numbers, (b) density (numbers relative to size of host country), (c) historical importance/continuity. 2000 in Luxembourg is somehow more impressive than 2000 in Spain. But is 5000 in Turkey more significant than 5000 in Austria? - In any case, the list in the infobox strikes me as ridiculously oversized. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Is it true that Germans are as nationalistic as the rest of eastern Europe? In Greece many people seem to think ότι οι Γερμανοί λιγουρεύονται την Πρωσσία, τη Σιλεσία και την Πομερανία the same way Greeks feel about Constantinople and Northern Epirus, or the same way FYROM feels about Aegean Macedonia. Any truth in this? --Tēlex 15:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, first of all, we Germans wouldn't consider ourselves "Eastern Europeans" :-) But seriously, there certainly is a deal of nationalism in Germany, perhaps rather less than more compared with other European countries, but my impression is it's not strongly focussed on those topics of the lost territories. Those are more a matter of (by now) nostalgic recollection, and an object of private rather than national claims to restitution. There are political organizations representing the eastern refugees (see Federation of Expellees), with traditional ties to the conservative parties. Their current political aims are, at most, directed towards late financial recompense for lost private properties in the eastern countries, or towards gestures of symbolic recognition of their traditional home rights there. One of the principal bones of contention with Czechia recently was the demand for Czechia to repeal the Beneš decrees, which had been the legal basis for the expulsions from Czechoslovakia. Territorial revisionism is absolutely demodé, a topic only for the neo-nazi fringe.

I'm myself of part Silesian background, by the way. There's quite a lot of us. I guess the impact of the 1945 expulsions on German society must have been at least as big, in terms of relative numbers of refugees, as that of the 1923 expulsions in Greece. And of course it's more recent by one generation. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW do you think Iran is important enough to be in the infobox. According to the Foreign Ministry The Greek community in Teheran numbers some 80 persons, whose parents found refuge here after the Asia Minor disaster. There is a Greek Orthodox Church, which holds services in Easter week, celebrated by a priest sent out especially by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. . --Tēlex 15:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, hope he/she eventually lands on his/her feet. Politis 15:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the above messages about 'nationalism', i do also believe that it is demodé to claim land, but the case between Germany-Poland is not the same with the one between Greece-Turkey... I mean, the descendants of the expelled Germans can go and live in Silesia, but the descendants of the Asia Minor Greeks cannot go back to their homeland (and this is not happening because Poland is an EU member... it started prior to 2004). And although the 'ζήτημα των περιουσιών' was not solved (in violation to the treaty of Lausanne, there are a number of other issues, that i guess u are familiar with: 12 miles miritime claims, casus belli, the status of the Ecumenical Patriarch, etc etc. About the overestimations of the numbers of the Greek diaspora.... i do not see an overestimation more ridiculous than in other diasporas. btw, everything in the article is sourced and based on as valid sources such as the United Nations, various censi and the US Department of State. I guess that in some cases there is a confussion referring to the terms: Greek ancestry, Greek citizenship, Greek descendants, Greek speaking (at home or not:p-what a ridiculous question for a census!!!), Greek Orthodox, et cetera. i think that me and Telex did a really good job in including lowest and higher estimates, so as the reader to come to his/her own conclussions (and i hope that such a format will be used in other disporas as well)-Αρκετά 'ευλογίσαμε τα γένια μας':p. Όσο για τον Πάπα (που τυγχάνει να είναι Γερμανός τώρα:)...)... δεν έχει το αλάθητο (το λέω σαν Ελληνορθόδοξος!), γιατί είναι θνητός:p. Αλλά μιας και όλοι ψάχνουν για αξιόπιστες πηγές, μια 'αλάθητη' πηγή γίνεται δεκτή. Σοβαρά τώρα: ας ψάξουν να βρουν μια πηγή ανάλογου βεληνεκούς... αν μπορούν...:) --Hectorian 01:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Nikos Politis

Are you sure that User:NikosPolitis is a legit user. I though Nikos Politis was dead ... --Tēlex 16:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I rather doubt he's named after that one... ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Gratefully presented to User:Future Perfect at Sunrise for his relentless, stintless and selfless efforts towards containing vandalism. ImpuMozhi 19:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

How can I thank you for all your extraordinary efforts to aid me in containing the Rajput vandal? Please accept the Barnstar as a small token of my thanks. Do let me know if there is ever anything I can do to help in any matter. Best regards, ImpuMozhi 19:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Iran related articles noticeboard/Incidents

Please watch this page and post your public messages on this page so that everybody may have access to it. Thanks --Aminz 05:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Souliotes

I agree that this sort of article needs to get solid, objective information into it, but these days I'm really not spending any time on WP. I can support you if you add good material, but I'm afraid I don't have time to do library research etc. myself. --Macrakis 23:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Your reports on AIV

I'd recommend reporting it at WP:AN or WP:AN/I instead. It's not simple vandalism and it'll get the attention of more admins that way. --Woohookitty 11:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well then. I have a page that you might know about. This one. It's for long term vandalism like what you are describing. What concerns me with using AIV is that AIV isn't really a good place to track or alert people in regards to long term vandalism. The long term abuse page is good for that. And you don't have to list every IP. Just list the ranges. I've even had cases where helpful people will add templates to each IP in the range to alert admins about persistant vandals such as this person. --Woohookitty 11:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll put your alert back onto AIV for now and let someone else judge. --Woohookitty 11:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend a combination of both. List the username and the IPs he's used at long term abuse and then when he hits again, list the latest IPs at AIV. That's what I'd do. --Woohookitty 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This is the banned-thanks to Future Perfect at Sunrise user Mywayyy. I would like to explain a few things. First of all I have nothing against FPS, even though, he has treated me unfairly. He should strongly consider removing that PERFECT from his name. Anyway the thing is that there are some articles regarding Greek islands and other cities that this guy constantly keeps adding Turkish names. This is totally unacceptable for two reasons: First there is absolutely no reason for adding those names. There is neither Turkish population or any cultural significance to justify such a thing. For Xanthi article for instance, where there is a Muslim minority i havent changed anything because it is right to have a Turkish name there. The second reason is more serious: This user does not show the same stance when Greek names are removed from Turkish articles. He only cares how to add Turkish names to Greek articles. I have tried to speak to him but he believes he is the god of Misplaced Pages and can just solve things by accusing me of vandalism. When HE reverts why isnt HE beiing accused of vandalism and its just me?? I dont think that a content dispute should be dealt as vandalism. Then most of Wikipedians would be like the biggest vandals.Regards! Mywayyy88.218.47.184 12:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mywayyy, are you even reading what I tell you? Nobody is treating the content dispute as vandalism. What's treated as vandalism is your insistence on "solving" the dispute through obstinate revert-warring and block evasion. I've told you several times, I'd be much more flexible about the content if we had a proper discussion going, and so would several other editors, I believe. Promise to stick to the rules, and I'll be the first to advocate a lifting of your ban. Then, and only then, can we start to talk about the content. Easy, isn't it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

And what else should i do FPS??? I revert, you keep reverting. I tried to discuss the matter on various talk pages you know that. Why are my reverts being treated the way they are and not yours?? Dont YOU revert with obsession? You are not fair when you say i try to sovle things via revert-warring. i dont like it believe me i have other things to do. But thats the only thing left for me. I would be very happy to talk to you or anybody else to solve the situation. But when i see the same pages reverted i just cant do anything else but revert once again. Hope you become more fair and appreciate other things i notice and correct like for instance the Aegean Sea--and thats only today. I have contributed to other totally irrelevant with Greece articles and you accuse me, on the page you created specifically for me (thanks for that!), that all i do is revert Turkish names. Lets become more fair for a Perfect Future indeed.Cheers! Mywayyy88.218.47.184 13:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mywayyy, the difference between us is that you repeatedly broke the 3RR. We others didn't. You then repeatedly evaded your blocks. We others didn't. Therefore, you are now banned. We others are not. People are reverting you simply to uphold order on Misplaced Pages, even people who agreed with you in parts.

The deal is simple. You promise to play by the rules. That means: We'll have a dispute resolution procedure - a period of discussion on some suitable centralised page, with all interested parties involved, perhaps a mediator if anybody insists, and then a straw poll if necessary. During that process, there will be no reverts. After that process, everybody involved will stick to whatever consensus or compromise has emerged. That means that in principle you (as well as I) will have to promise from the outset that we'll be willing to accept a solution different from what we want now, if that should be the outcome. I for one have no problem with that. You will also promise that if for whatever reason you should get blocked again, you will accept the rules and wait your block out like everybody else. If you can abide by this, then I'm sure nobody will have any problems seeing you unblocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Done; but in my opinion, Mywayyy should remain blocked, because not only he has not been able to respect the rules, but worst, he has hardly made a decent edit in his wikipedian life. If we unblock him, as an editor he would have to be constantly monitored, as it's difficult to immagine he would stop being a frantic pov-pushers, and God knows wikipedia has already enough of them.--Aldux 15:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, to be honest I'm a bit pessimistic too, but we should give him the chance if he responds positively here. In all fairness, I have seen a few decent edits from him - some stuff about macroeconomics or something. And the whole thing about the content should definitely brought to a centralised stable solution in some way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If i understand correctly, we are talking about a solution that will bring all these stupid reverts to an end, right? a discussion in the end of which we will have agreed when we should include the placenames in different languges, right? well, i am looking forward for such a discussion, though i am not sure that all involved parties will be willing to participate... --Hectorian 16:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, something that should lead to a more-or-less agreed-on set of criteria when and why such names should be included, in both Greece and Turkey-related articles. If we can get at least five or six of the more constant editors to agree on such a thing, it should be possible to make occasional newbies and anons to conform too, even though some level of disturbance must be expected I guess. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mywayyy

Ok i just saw what you ve written FPS. I agree I wont revert again unless a dispute resolution procedure starts. From my stance, I ll stick to whatever solution is finally presented. That is democracy after all. This should start immediately, let me know please. I believe this process should involve all the Greek islands of Eastern Aegean where this phenomenon is observed plus some cities such as Alexandroupoli, Serres, Kilkis etc. I would like to add a comment to Aldux. I dont think its proper, especially from an Admin to say things such as: 'Mywayyy should remain blocked cause he hasnt done a decent edit in his wikipedian life'. You should know better Aldux. And if you dont know let me tell you that i ve done edits (not so many by your standards but at least some..) regarding various topics and especially aviation topics since im an aerospace engineer and aviation is like my second nature.FPS let me know about the procedure.Mywayyy88.218.47.184 11:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Mywayyy, I'll contact Aldux and Francis and see what we can do. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd be amenable to an unblock with the following conditions:

1. He considers himself under the 0RR, e.g. no reverts. — any revert will result in the resumption of his block.
2. There is an RfC in place where all involved parties can discuss a naming policy for Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean.

- FrancisTyers · 11:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me - only that I think the RfC-or-whatever-kind-of-venue-we-choose should also include the Turkish side, as some editors have a strong sense of reciprocity here. Do you think we ought to consult Theresa Knott too, as it was she that actually did the ban? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, we should certainly include the Turkish side. Without question. And yes, contact Theresa, ask her to remove it. But only after we get the RfC going. - FrancisTyers · 11:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand why the Turkish appelations (or rather Greek name that are Turkified) should be included, even as co-equivalent in the opening line, unless there are key historical reasons (in which case the name goes to the historical section). In 'real life' the only place where the Turkified names are included are on some Turkish maps and can be seen as irridentist, but not on maps like that by the Turkish Ministry of Defence. To inlude them can be interpreted as unhelpful in our objectives as wikipedia informers. I stand by the same argument for the Turkish mainland placenames that originally had quite distinct Greek placenames. By historical reasons I mean places like Alexandroupoli, Adana, Izmir... Therefor the most agreeable thing would be to edit out the alternative appelation and included, if strictly necessary, in the historical section. Just for the record, if anyone disagrees, I would be interested in their arguments, which, hopefully, will make extensive references to existing works of scholarship, map making standards and general media representation. Politis 12:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I see I'm probably at the far end of xenonomatophilia on this issue. I once tried to explain my stance somewhere on Hectorian's talk page - can't find it right now. I tend to be an inclusionist because I feel the historical/foreign names, especially where they are not linguistically trivial (simple phonological adaptations/transcriptions) have a potential of telling us interesting things about the places in question. And I have difficulties understanding why everybody has these irridentist associations on seeing the names in the first line. My idea is it's a simple matter of textual organisation: if it's simple (just one or two foreign names, the easiest place to find it is in the intro sentence; if it requires more explanation (several alternative names, etymology, historical periods of use...) it best goes somewhere further down. But I can see a lot of people seem to favour solutions that de-emphasize the foreign names by moving them somehow further down. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your point of view is laudable and would make a good paper or article; I would probably agree with most of it. However, you are a linguist and these are your ideas, your utopian convention and hence they are quite POV for the purposes of Misplaced Pages. We cannot ask people to see the potential. I would have hoped finding concurence with you in including such names if history requires it and in the historical section. Presumably you suggest that all place names, across Misplaced Pages should include their equivalent in other languages. Politis 12:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Certainly not all, and all languages - but you are of course right that my linguistic interests play a role here. There are linguistically trivial names and non-trivial ones. The fact that Thasos is called Tasöz in Turkish is pretty boring. The fact that London is called Lonðino in Greek is not quite so trivial, but it tells us something interesting only about the Greek language, not about London. But the fact that Samos is called Sakız in Turkish is interesting and tells us something interesting about Samos. - Anyway, I'll try later to sum up my position better, let's then conduct the discussion on the new page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would be truly interested in reading your opinion on how some parallel terminology "tells us something interesting", and the criteria by which you evaluate alternative names on a scale from 'boring' to 'educational'; but you have to admit that we need the 'tools' to decode such information and Misplaced Pages is not the place. For instance, a reasonable reaction in reading the Greek or Turkish alternatives in the opening line is to associate them with irridentist apprehensions - if only because that is not the convention. Perhaps we need an alternative Misplaced Pages to address the humanistic and scholarly aspect of such issues. Politis 13:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Set up here very roughly. Fut. Perf. If you could fill it out a bit I'd be grateful. Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Islands in the Eastern Aegean) When the RfC is over it will be moved to the talk page and we will have a naming convention. Or that is the theory. - FrancisTyers · 12:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe a misunderstanding: By "including the Turkish side" I meant widening the scope to the Turkish geographical articles (like Adana, Izmir, Trabzon). I'd suggest to move the discussion to Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Greek/Turkish placenames) or something similar. There have been mirror-image edit wars over exactly the same issues there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with FPS, the problem also involves Greek names for Turkish cities, and they should be solved at the same time, best if in the same RfC.--Aldux 14:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As for Mywayyy, my judgement of him seems to prove correct considering he continues creating socks. Fran's idea of a applying the 0RR to Mywayyy seems good, but considering his hate (I find difficult thinking of a more appropriate word) of anything related with Turkey, not enough; it should include article bans for at least half a year on Greece, Foreign relations of Greece, Imia/Kardak, Aegean dispute, Greco-Turkish relations, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and possibly all Aegean islands and Thracian cities.--Aldux 14:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

We can't put users under any kind of topic or article ban without ArbCom approval, and I think ArbCom would probably just indef. ban him anyway. I blocked his latest incarnation. While I'm willing to give him as many chances as he wants, the chances are contingent on him stopping the behaviour that got him banned in the first place. I have yet to see that. Regarding the naming of the thing, please rename it anyway you see fit. But preferably without a '/' :) - FrancisTyers · 14:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Aldux, the stuff you say about me, prove (apart from other things) that your judgement is not fair (the best word I can use). After the phrase Mywayyy should remain blocked because he hasnt contributed anything worthy in his entire wikipedian life' now you add a new shameful phase: ' considering his hate of anything related to Turkey'. Aldux, I dont know you and you certainly dont know me, but I can assure you I absolutely dont hate Turkey or any other country. If you find something bad I ve writen about Turkey show it to all of us. In the meantime maybe you should ask yourself why you hate ME so much and why you say things that are not correct and more important things you cant prove.Mywayyy88.218.41.233 15:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Mywayyy, take a deep breath. I've honestly tried to help you today, but your behaviour indicates that you seem somehow genuinely unable to stick to the rules here. What is it, do your emotions overwhelm you to such a degree that you simply can't resist the urge to revert? Sorry for being personal. Fact is, you are still rightfully banned, people do care about upholding the rules, and the admins I've asked about lifting your ban have been talking about lifting it only under the strict condition of a zero-reverts parole, at best. In this situation, entering yet another edit war is the silliest thing you could possibly do, and may ruin every prospect you might have of rehabilitation. I do recognise that you may have a potential to make reasonable contributions. In this instance (at Greece), incidentally, I think you're actually wrong; the edits by User:Europe52 were good and there's no reason to revert them, let alone without a justification as you did. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Right, until he shows some kind of agreement and agrees to calm down. I'm going to be rolling back his contributions — we should have been doing this from the start anyway. Whether talk page or otherwise. If you want to talk to him, try email ;) - FrancisTyers · 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Well FPS I appreciate that you care about my rehabilitation (although i m not on drugs:)) and you seem a nice guy. But as I said I kept my promise. Now regarding my edit in Greece article these are the reasons why is wrong: Its not Airspace violations in general but Airspace violations by TURKEY when a turkish jet is above the Greek island of Karpathos and kills a Greek pilot. Second you should read newspapers watch TV and talk to politicians to see that the climate on Greek-Turkish relations is not good. Dont believe stuff like: we shall try this incident not to deteriorate our relations. Everybody know this is not true: Where have you seen improved relations? Plz dont let the name Mywayyy at the History dictate what you will do afterwords...As for Francis, hey maybe we should solve this via phone..get to know each other what you say?:)thanx Mywayyy88.218.37.114 16:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, your promise was only the beginning of the story. You don't get to dictate the conditions of your own un-banning. It's the matter of the admins, and they were intending a stricter set of conditions, as you now know. Unless and until you get to an agreement about these conditions with the admins involved, you are still banned. As for the Greece article, while you're banned, nobody is going to discuss the content with you; I'll only say that I see no reasons to find Europe52's version worse than yours, and certainly not bad enough to justify a breaking of the rules to revert them. As for rolling you back on talk pages, pace Francis I'd like to keep this one open for you if you want to use it negotiate your unbanning, but I very strongly advise you don't edit anywhere else unless you have a clear message that people actually consider you unbanned. E-mail is available of course. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the talk page, as you wish ;) Btw, would you object to a note at the top of the page stating in no uncertain terms that these only apply to Greek/Turkish places and names in Greek and Turkish? I appear to have gone off on a tangent, quite unwittingly :) - FrancisTyers · 19:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. I'd say we should avoid getting dragged in those horrible M******an issues on that page. It should be primarily about the Greek and Turkish sides (not least because it's primarily Greek and Turkish editors we've been inviting to the discussion), but of course people may want to consider that it should lead to an arrangement that can be transferred, ceteris paribus, to other similar issues. But the Mac/Slavic issue is a bit different insofar as it's not so much about what names to include but how to designate the language(s) they belong to, right? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually about both, which makes it double the fun :) - FrancisTyers · 20:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigh

Look at this. I blocked him. And meanwhile, I'm dealing with this. I do wonder sometimes why I bother. --Woohookitty 12:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Graeco-Turkish relations

Oh, i'm sorry. i thought it was a grammatical mistake... All of my life i've been hearing about 'demilitarization' of both sides, so i thought that was the case. anyway, no offense for reverting me;). as for a better wording... i am not sure if i can think of a better way (i was the one who misunderstood it, remember?;)...). Cheers --Hectorian 11:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Kollimenos

Exeis dikio FPS. ginetai na tsekareis kati giati o Aldux einai kollimenos? Pigeno sto First World arthro na diorthoso to aparadekto gegonos na grafei alla auto to arthro kai alla to Developed Country arthro kai ekeinos sinexizei na to diorthonei sto lathos!! Tragikos tipos. Sto deutero arthro pou einai kai to sosto, leei pos I Kipros px den theoreitai apo IMF World Bank kai CIA san aneptigmeno kratos eno sto proto arthro leei to aditheto kai prepei na figi apo ekei. Episis vazo enan pio euanagnosto xarti kai o tipos ton vgazei. Rixe mia matia. Kai na fandasteis oti to atomo me katigorei oti den kano useful edits!! LOL Mywayyy

Colloquialisms

It is sometimes easy (and unhelpful) to use colloquialisms in a multicultural site such as wiki. Best to stick to International English, or Americana. As the French say, 'ce qui se comprend bien s'énonce clairement'. Politis 14:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Coin image on Ancient Macedonians

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Atavi#Coin_image_on_Ancient_Macedonians -Atavi 09:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks. Im really tired after this pointless edit war as RG is "fighting windmills" with his POVish edits. I noticed that if you let him have his way it just gets worse, and when a more hard-headed editor finally said "enough", he unleashed all his fury at me. I doubt this will go to ArbCom- the Misplaced Pages stupidest edit war hall of fame would be a more suitable place :) (unless he chooses to go the current path). Cheers. Ulritz 12:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Biris

I think that you should know that Biris says that Arvanites call themselves "Αρμπερές" i.e. "Arbëreshë" (pron. Arbërésh; final unstressed -ë is normally silent); Biris tends to force Arvanitic words into the Greek alphabet so that any Greek can read them, so i doubt that's how it would be written in Arvanitic Greek alphabet. Good work with the article - I'll see to the images as soon as possible! --Telex 13:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

There is also Shqiptarë in Epirus and Thrace. I'm quoting Biris from memory now (είμαι στο χωριό τώρα), I'll verify it when I get back. Also, Eurolang used to have a page on minority languages in Greece. That page is no longer on their website, but here's a version from the web archive . --Telex 13:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Mihai Radulescu

At 08:26, 17 August 2006 User:Future Perfect at Sunrise tagged the article Mihai Radulescu for speedy deletion with the note: db-recreated? (see earlier deletion by William M. Connolley)

I wanted to let you know that db-recreated only applies when the article is substantially the same as one was previously deleted through the AfD process. It does not apply in the case of a previous speedy or prod. However, if some other speedy criterion applies to a previously deleted article, you can tag it for speedy under the applicable criterion. In this case, since the article was a copyvio, I removed the Romanian-language text and replaced it with a stub. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 09:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

move

Honestly, I can do it right now if you want. Since it's an uncontroversial move, there's no particular need to wait; nothing can be undone as easily as a move. As for the Greek/Turkish names, yes, probably we should search a synthesis (even if I'd consider not taking in account the less successful proposals, as they did not collect any other consensus than that of the proposer: those of Politis, Telex, Kertenkelebek).--Aldux 17:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Iasson/Faethon

I think I can call myself the greatest world expert in "Iassionology"; a very obscure branch of knowledge ;-) Iasson appears to have always had a propension for sockpuppeting and trolling; this brought to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Iasson, in which Iasson was happily banned this April. From that moment he started creating the most incredible amount of socks ever seen, stuff that makes guys like Bonaparte seem humble dilettanti. I had the pleasure (sort of) of meeting him in May, and from then with the help of Pmanderson I started monitoring his edits. When I became admin, I consulted myself with Jkelly, and started a "total war" against his socks and especially his edits; I started removing ALL the additions he made since April, and you have no idea how this made him angry! He started repeated stalking campaigns against me, but this only made it more easy to detect his socks. As for the quality of his edits, Iasson is one of the worst editors I've ever seen. He hides his malicious errors and misquotes behind a veil of pseudo-erudition, mixing solid info with wrong etymologies, ex. links that don't say what he pretends do, all to make more sure that the stuff survives to monitoring from other editors. And he's successful when I started controlling all the edits made by his socks, most had survived, often in very important articles. And all this, just for trolling, as he doesn't have any pov agenda to promote.--Aldux 16:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that was a Philippika ... ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

stef79

I havent figured out exactly where to respond (I assume here) NEway. Thank you and thanks for the help files. I'll get to them pronto. Until then and given your experience and knowledge on wikistuff, feel free to change whatever you think needs to change. Cheers!

Vote on state route names

Yes, that was me. I was at work and i noticed it through the Portal page. I read the arguments each way, and as my main project right now is organizing and standarding information regarding Space, this vote was right up my alley. I realized afterwards that I hadn't signed in first. Good luck with the vote. --Exodio 22:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thijs!bot

Hi FPaS, No, the ip adress you mentioned does not belong to any computer I use. I most frequently use computers in the 129.125.* domain. Thijs! 21:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Gia sou!

Online just for a few minutes. Check your mail, I had tried to respond earlier, but it returned. Still on vacation. Will log in again later, or maybe not... :-) :NikoSilver: 14:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek Orthodox Church

Thank you for your clear comments on this issue, which have been very helpful. I apologise for misunderstanding your intentions in directing enquirers to "Greek Orthodox Church", and, of course, accept your decision on the matter. It is, though the case, that the "Greek Orthodox Church" link is not very helpful for a naive enquirer. The problem is that the concept of "Greek Orthodox Church", though seemingly intuitively understandable, refers to a range of ideas that need to be clarified for non-specialists. This the current link seeks to do, but leaves the enquirer still with the decision as to which route applies in this particular instance. Would it be possible for you to chose a more appropriate direct link? It is, of course, entirely open to you to maintain this link, should you feel that this is the best - or even least/worst - solution at present.

Your swift and very reasonable response was very welcome - just what it takes to keep Misplaced Pages up to scratch! I must confess my second edit was a bit absent-minded - apologies for this - no wonder you thought me a bot. I shall be more circumspect in future. All the best!!

Thessaloniki panorama shot

Thanks for the help. I'm sorry to hear that User:Telex isn't editing as much anymore. Jkelly 03:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I think he's just on vacations, don't worry. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Souliotes

See diff. --Macrakis 21:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, see diff. --Hectorian 21:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (62/18/3). I will go very carefully at first, trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools, and will begin by re-reading all the high-quality feedback I received during the process, not least from those who opposed me. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! Guinnog 15:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)}

Djln

I have tried to follow instructions as closely as possible. However I kept meeting dead links. I hope I have done it correctly this time. I would appreciate your help with this. Djln--Djln 23:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Dispute of Dispute

Hi, Perfect at Sunrise :) Thank you for your contribution, i have to read the article. I can also give you references supporting the Altaic theory. About the "dispute" tag, the problem is to put the discussion on the right place. If we continue the discussion under Turkic Languages pages, this would lead to conclusion that there is a dispute of Turkic languages being Altaic cause only in the Turkic language pages there exist "disputed" tag. This is my main objection for removal. If you seach the pages of all Altaic languages, you'll see the "disputed" tag only in the articles about Turkic languages not for the others in the Altaic group. For the Altaic discussion, this should be done either under the Altaic Languages page or Altaic Hypothesis page, as Ante Aikio also stated. Putting the "dispute" only under Turkic language related pages causes another dispute. e104421 3 September 2006, 9:55 (UTC)