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Vanamonde93

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Nomination

Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs) – Folks, let me present Vanamonde93, who has been editing continuously since August 2013. With around 24000 edits under their belt (>50% to mainspace), they've improved 6 articles to Good Article status (one of which is at FAC now) as well as 27 DYKs. Vanamonde93 has impressed me as calm and level-headed, and more importantly has told me they'll help in some areas that could do with some extra admin hands on deck. So discuss away. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

co-nomination

Vanamonde93 has been around for three years and I've seen them navigate their way to becoming an even-keeled editor who brings a level-headed-ness to the editing process. I waded through the discussion on the three GA nominations of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and was impressed by the way Vanamonde93 has learned and progressed as an editor from one nom to the next. The BJP is the current ruling party in India and attempting to bring it to GA status is bound to be contentious, but Vanamonde stuck through three rounds of GA discussions, learning to keep calm and to insist on fealty toward sources. As a result, we have a better article on this important subject. Through the long discussion content, I saw Vanamonde93 emerge as a tenacious but straightforward and no nonsense editor (see, for example the comments here and here ). All these are important attributes for an admin and I have no doubt that they will make an excellent one. --regentspark (comment) 20:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept, with many thanks to Casliber and RegentsPark for their kind words. Vanamonde (talk) 09:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I have had substantial experience doing anti-vandalism work, primarily with STiki; so to begin with I would like to work with AIV and RFPP, to help shorten response times there as much as possible. I have also participated in a few deletion discussions, and intend to help out closing AfDs. Since this is a contentious area, I plan to begin with very clear-cut cases, and work my way towards closing debates more difficult to call. Deleting expired PRODs is another area I would feel comfortable working in, and I would like to do some work with CSD, although I intend to take it slow there as well. Finally, I would like to help out at DYK. I don't intend to participate at ANI, although I might look in at ANEW, given that it is a forum where a slow response-time can increase disruption. I have no intentions of participating at UAA immediately either simply because I have no experience there, although in the long run I hope to help out with administrative backlog wherever it arises.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: My best contributions to Misplaced Pages are on the content side; I have brought six articles to Good Article status after substantially or completely rewriting them. The GA I am most proud of is The Left Hand of Darkness, which I got through the review process after completely rewriting it, and which is currently listed at Featured Article Candidates. I am especially happy about this article because it is not a topic on which I have received any training in real life. In addition, I have written 27 DYKs, of which my favorite is probably Evolution of snake venom, an obscure but fascinating topic, and my first DYK nomination. I have also done a fair amount of content work on articles related to the political history of South Asia and Latin America, areas which do not receive nearly enough attention. The approximately 8000 recent changes classifications that I have performed on STiki and other anti-vandalism tools are another valuable contribution, of a slightly different nature.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: I have been in several conflicts on Misplaced Pages, particularly in my first two years, and they have been a continuous learning experience. There are a couple of reasons for this; first, when I began editing actively here, I approached articles with the single-minded goal of bringing them into line with some source that I had read, and I didn't care much about the consequences when I believed that I was right. This approach got me into multiple conflicts, and earned me a 24-hour block for edit-warring in early 2014. The second reason is that among other topics, I edit pages related to South Asian politics, an area with a number of sockpuppets, SPAs, and otherwise difficult editors. I have had substantial interactions with both the India Against Corruption and the OccultZone sockfarms (although I didn't know it at the time), and this certainly increased the number of conflicts I was party to.

Perhaps my worst conflict was a series of disputes on the talk page of Bharatiya Janata Party (see talk archives 2-7) and its associated GA review pages. These also proved to be my greatest learning experiences. The content disputes taught me to be completely rigorous about WP:V and WP:NPOV. The second GA review of that article had to be failed due to a brief edit-war, which truly cured me of performing blind reverts. I did eventually, succeed in getting that article through the GA process, but only after learning to edit collaboratively, listen to the concerns of other editors, and build consensus for changes to the article, all within the framework of policy.

Since that failed GA review 18 months ago, I have continued to edit contentious topics while working collaboratively with other folks and managing to avoid any serious conflicts. One key part of this has been learning to live with content that I would much rather change immediately, and participating in discussion instead; another part has been realizing that most good-faith editors have something of value to contribute to a discussion, even (or especially) when I disagree with them, and therefore learning to listen to arguments with an open mind. In addition to writing content in conflict-ridden areas, I have participated in a number of content reviews, including my first FAC, and these lessons have stood me in good stead.

You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.

Additional question from Lourdes

4. Please explain how do you see these edits as good faith edits (all of which you reverted in the past handful of days). I am requesting this clarification to understand whether you have an idea of what is and what is not vandalism. Thanks. Here you go:

Comment-You marked most of the vandalizing edits as good faith edits. Why? Is it auto done by Stki or you mark them? Thanks VarunFEB2003 12:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) STiKi documentation explicitly recommends marking any reverts of edits that are not obviously vandalism as reverts of good-faith edits. SSTflyer 13:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

A: My apologies for the delay, folks, I expected to be back online 2 hours ago. Part of the answer to this question lies in the way STiki currently functions and is formatted. Blatant vandalism may be classified as "vandalism" at the click of a button. However, all other problematic edits fall under the "AGF" umbrella. These include "removal of content," "tests," "NPOV violations," etc. Classifying as edit as a "test", for example, will undo the edit with the edit-summary "Reverted good faith edit": but STiki then allows me to send the user a message, detailing what the problem was with their edit. I always make use of this function. Thus for every test I revert, I send the user a message letting them know that tests are disruptive, and should be carried out in the sandbox: for instance, this revert was accompanied by this message. The "good faith revert" part of the edit summary might be a little misleading in this circumstance.

The other part of the answer is in how I understand and classify vandalism versus other types of inappropriate edits. Vandalism is a deliberate attempt to damage Misplaced Pages, without regard to our core policies. When I come across an edit such as this or this, vandalism is certainly a possible diagnosis. Yet it is also possible that the user in question is testing their ability to edit, without intent to disrupt. In my experience, test edits frequently take the form of adding random strings of characters, adding a name, or removing arbitrary chunks of text/markup. If an edit could be reasonably interpreted as a test, I assume good faith, mark it as a test, and send a message explaining why tests in the mainspace are inappropriate. Not all of the diffs above are for test edits, but in each case, I sent a message explaining the problem: and in all but one instance, the behavior was not repeated. Sending a specific message in this manner seems to me to be less bitey than marking any problematic edits as vandalism. Needless to say, had any of those individuals shown an awareness of the fact that they were disrupting Misplaced Pages (misleading edit-summaries, for instance, or profanity) I would have marked them as "vandalism" instead. I hope that answers your question. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 16:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional question from VarunFEB2003

5. How do you differentiate between Misplaced Pages Policies and Misplaced Pages Guidelines? What is(are) the difference(s) you find? VarunFEB2003 12:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

A:I'm not sure I can do a better job of explaining the difference than this, but let me try to rephrase it in my own language. Policies are core principles that are generally accepted, and should be followed under all normal circumstances: the exceptions to a policy are likely to be very few and far in between. For a core policy like WP:BLP or WP:NPOV, for instance, I find it very difficult to envision a situation in which they do not apply. While there isn't really a bright line between policies and guidelines, guidelines are written in the form of generic best-practices, and so might have wider exceptions, and might require more of a common sense approach. For instance, WP:RS is a guideline describing (among other things) what constitutes a reliable source: but there are a number of sources which superficially meet the guideline, but which are known to not, in fact, be reliable. Both policies and guidelines are supported by consensus. However, consensus may change over time, and so there may be times when a documented policy or guideline does not accurately reflect consensus, or comes in the way of improving Misplaced Pages: which is why WP:IAR exists. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional question from SSTflyer

6. How would you have closed these two AfD discussions: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Halo (Beyoncé Knowles song) and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Alt-right?

A: Halo: There are seven people, including the nominator, arguing to delete/redirect: with the exception of the "plausible search term" issue, both these !votes are saying that the song was not, at that point, notable, because there is no evidence of meeting WP:NSONGS. Eight argue to keep, so numerically near 50-50. With respect to the strength of the arguments, which is what really matters; there seem to be a few trends among the "keeps". There is an "ILIKEIT" vote, a few arguing based on Beyonce's obvious notability, a few saying that the song is charting on iTunes, and a few people arguing that the single will certainly be notable after its release. In all honesty, these are all rather poor arguments. An artist being notable does not, in and of itself, make a song notable, as explained at Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) (and there's no substantive difference in the old version of the guideline). iTunes is not, AFAIK, a chart that would grant notability. Finally, Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. All of these are points made by the "delete" folks. So, taken in sum, the arguments to delete are a lot stronger than the arguments to keep, except for one thing: the AfD was held just days before the song was released. Given that last bit of information, and assuming I'm closing before the song is released, I would have a few options. I could delete, and have the article recreated in 48 hours, which would be rather silly. I could relist, which is rather a copout, because we know which way the decision would go post-release. On the balance, I think I would close as no consensus, which in effect is a "keep", and monitor the article to make sure it was speedily brought into shape following the release of the song. Post-release, most of the votes stop being factually correct, and the song becomes obviously notable: so I could relist the discussion to determine consensus under the new circumstances, or I could simply close as keep, given the obvious notability; although this last option would come close to being a supervote, in this exceptional case it might be justified in order to save everybody time and trouble.

Alt-right: To me, this is actually a little more straightforward. The statements that there isn't very much coverage are clearly off the mark. The arguments that say that the page fails NPOV and/or WP:SYNTH, I would treat as generally weak because AfD is not meant for cleanup; that said, there are some pages that are so unsuitable for the mainspace that it would be better to delete and start over, and this is an argument that can be persuasive. The old version of the article , is bad, but not, in my view, beyond salvaging, and many folks in the AfD make this point, too. The fact that the coverage is not very coherent is not a very strong argument, because although the sources are rather scattered, they are clearly describing the same general topic, and vary on the details. This discrepancy is something that should be addressed in the article, but not, in my view, a reason to delete. In sum, I would close as keep. I might, however, mention in the closing summary that if bringing the article into line with NPOV proves impossible in the near future, then a WP:TNT argument would be much more persuasive. In this particular case, though, I would be more likely to leave an opinion myself, and if I had time try to clean the page up, than try to close the discussion myself. Vanamonde (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional question from GeneralizationsAreBad

7. How would you respond to the POV allegations below? Please note that I do not personally endorse or reject said allegations. I am merely providing a means for the candidate to answer them.

A: GAB, I understand where the question is coming from. To begin with, let me state that although I do not identify with any of the faiths below, I do not bear them any ill-will, whether Hinduism, or Islam, or any faith you care to name. Likewise, I hold neither of those national identities, and am not "against" either of them. What I do believe in are our core notions of neutrality and verifiability, and the useful guideline about reliable sources. These standards sometimes require us to present text that is at odds with an orthodox interpretation of a certain faith, or political ideology. For instance, in the comment highlighted by Regentspark, I I proposed an alternative wording for the lead of Muhammad. By no stretch of imagination can my proposal be called "Islamist"; if anything, I suspect my proposal would be distasteful to orthodox Islam. Or to take another example: here and here, I removed very similar synthesis from the pages Anti-Pakistan sentiment and Anti-Indian sentiment. There were similar problems with the content, and I treated them symmetrically; but an editor viewing only one of those edits might naturally be suspicious; and efforts such as this, which involved removing OR of a POV nature, results in accusations of the "opposite" POV. In general, what I have done is to do my best to make articles reflect reliable sources and WP:DUE, and I think this fact may be seen in my content creation work. I have done this on any articles related to religion, politics, or national identity that I have come across: and if and when I have been pointed out to have missed something or misinterpreted something, I have done my best to make good. Honestly, beyond a point I cannot do better than to ask folks to dig into the relevant articles, and the source material, and see if I am not borne out.

Finally, I would like to add that I am fully aware of WP:INVOLVED. I have done my best to remain neutral on the pages I have edited: but in any case, I would never venture to take an administrative action there, should I gain the tools. Likewise, I would never take an administrative action against a user with whom I have had a dispute. I hope I have covered the question: if there any specific follow-up queries, I would welcome them. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional question from Joshua Jonathan

8. You have taken a strong stance in India-related articles, strongly opposing nationalistic pov's. Does that make you a defender of Wiki's neutrality, or an administrator who's taking sides? And how, as an administrator, will you deal with editors who think you're not quelified for this job, given your strong positions? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

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Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.

Support

1. Support- Seems a good candidate to me. Only thing wrong is that the user was previously blocked for edit warring, but surely lessons have been learned from it. Class455 (talk) 10:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
2. support as nominator. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
3. Support - good content record and enough background experience with WP's dusty byways that I have confidence they'd be fine with janitorial tools. This is also one of those cliched occasions where one can say "I thought they were already an admin." -- Euryalus (talk) 10:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
4. Support Certainly: an excellent contributor with plenty of experience and a clear need for the tools. Great content portfolio too. No concerns whatsoever. Omni Flames (talk) 10:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
5. Support: No concerns. KGirlTrucker81 11:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
6. Support as co-nom. --regentspark (comment) 11:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
7. Support Seems like an excellent candidate. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 12:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   This editor seems to have joined Misplaced Pages only last month.VictoriaGrayson 17:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

8. Support I have seen Vanamonde93 around a lot and always had a positive impression. Some very healthy content creation, including article creation. Good explanations regarding what they have learned from past mis-steps. Very healthy looking AfD participation. I'm unconcerned regarding previous, 2 year old block. 20k+ edits with over 50% to article space. Talk page show plenty of collaboration and ability to explain policy and personal actions to new and, um, difficult editors. Tons of CLUE here, this is an easy call for me. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 13:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
9. Support Only had positive interactions with this user. The one block in their log looks extremely harsh (blocked for edit warring after two reverts on an article that didn't have a 1RR restriction) so I definitely wouldn't hold it against them. Number 57 15:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
10. Support He will be a net positive to the project. We need more anti-vandalism admins. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 17:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
11. Support Seems like an excellent candidate.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
12. Support, my interactions with the candidate were positive and not problematic.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
13. Support Seeing the answers regarding the alleged POV has given my enough thought to support this nomination. Additionally, the "vandal edits" appear to have not been a misjudgment, but an honest use of the Stiki tool. I don't see a POV from the user's edits and they would be a solid admin. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
14. Support - no concerns. GiantSnowman 18:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
15. Support I did my homework, and changed my !vote from o to s. The edits I reviewed, some of which included articles the candidate created, reflect the work of a competent editor. 18:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
16. Support Looks like a clear net positive to the encyclopedia. Many of the opposes are extremely unconvincing.Tazerdadog (talk) 19:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
17. Strong support - Vanamonde93 is an exceptionally good editor. He was one of the first people that I ran into when I started editing South Asia pages and I learnt a lot from his editing as well as his conduct in dealing with highly disputed topics. South Asia topics are a minefield with multiple nationalistic POVs. Vanamonde93 has always kept on the right side of the debates, with focus on reliable sourcing and NPOV balance. Speaking as a Hindu and a person of Indian origin, I can state with certainty that I have never seen him display any bias against Hindus or Indians. The comments in the section below are just a representation of the "minefield" I mentioned. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
18. Support Experienced in content creation and maintenance work. You can't have one without the other. Widr (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
19. Support After reading the candidate's answers to the questions above and looking over their contributions I see a careful and clueful editor that can be trusted with the tools. I am not swayed by the oppose votes based on the supposed bias against various religious and ethnic groups and I think they should read the answer to question 7 above. I also think some diffs are required by the editors below that make accusations as such. Valeince (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
20. Support - definite net positive, only block was unjustified, great CVU work. They can only benefit from having these additional tools. Zero 20:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
21. Support - I can't find anything to substantiate the concerns below, and I see every indication of both a) potential for activity in admin-related areas and b) enough clue to use the sysop tools well. So probably a good choice for admin here! -- Ajraddatz (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
22. Support Lots of experience in content creation and with the background work, and seems level headed. --Frmorrison (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Strong oppose Vanamonde93 belongs the 'pro-Islam/pro-Pakistan/anti-Hinduism/anti-India' camp, which makes it impossible to add even the most basic academic sourcing.VictoriaGrayson 14:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   Some evidence of that would be nice.—_Chat:Online 16:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   Here you go, "Vanamonde93's support". This is part 1. And User:Calm321 became User:Xtremedood. Ponyo blocked Xtremedood for socking --John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   HUH? I don't see any connection here.—_Chat:Online 17:05, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   And how exactly did John Jaffar Janardan become interested in an SPI case from 15 months ago if he's been here for a scant 7 months? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

2. Oppose. Marking all vandalism edits (including for instance this 34,000-byte deletion ) as "good-faith" edits, which is plainly incorrect. The Stiki instructions are clear and even test edits should be classified as vandalism . Candidate has been doing this for years. This is very basic stuff, and an admin candidate needs to at least get the basic stuff right. I don't know what the problem is -- not caring, going too fast, not taking the time to make the right choice, editcountitiis, or what, but this is just too glaring for me, right off the bat. Softlavender (talk) 15:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   "Test edits should be classified as vandalism". That's not what WP:NOTVAND says: Users sometimes edit pages as an experiment. Such edits, while prohibited, are treated differently from vandalism. If the Stiki instructions say something else then that seems a bit confusing. I agree that your example doesn't seem good faith, though. --Begoon  17:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   "All" doesn't seem an apt description - this STiki listing shows the candidate as reverting 20% of edits handled on STiki as "vandalism" and 22% as "good faith". This doesn't look out of line amongst the massive variation among editors on that list. The issue has now been addressed adequately I think under Q4 above: Noyster (talk), 17:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

3. Oppose I've been involved in a number of contentious interactions with Vanamonde93. I don't necessarily see that as being a disqualifying factor for adminship in and of itself, particularly since I edit bios of US politicians almost exclusively and contention there seems to go with the territory. What does concern me however, is that in many cases Vanamonde93 seemed to be wikistalking me. There are a number of instances where his/her first (and in some cases only) edit to the article was to revert my edit. And some of the articles were fairly obscure. I don't believe that behavior is consistent with adminship.CFredkin (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   Oppose based on the concerns stated above and discussion below. 16:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Neutral

1. After reading the comment below, I am keeping my vote here before I decide one of the 2 options. VarunFEB2003 12:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
2. Holding here awaiting answers to the questions on POV and explanations of the vandalism reverts. Katie 15:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   For the moment, as I am curious about the allegations of POV. The vandal revisions as well have my interest, as those appeared to be clear-cut. RickinBaltimore (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

   Neutral, leaning Support Per RickinBaltimore and KrakatoaKatie. The POV allegations have to be cleaned up.ThePlatypusofDoom Moved to Support (talk) 15:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

3. As the other folks here, the POV issue needs to be cleared up - administrators with POV issues have caused problems in the past. Conversely, I am also noting that the accusations without evidence are likewise improper, especially given the battleground phenomena that have plagued the topic area concerned, c.f the ArbCom case linked on the talk page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
4. Neutral for now. GAB 16:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

General comments

• Comment- This user is not that good as he looks like. User:Calm321 is a confirmed sock of Xtremedood. vanamonde was supporting Xtremedood's socking in his SPI. It's due to Vanamonde that Xtremedood mananged to use his socks. Vanamonde supported Xtremedood as Xtremedood was editing with his anti-Hindu bias. Vanamonde93's edits are very much anti-Hindu and anti-Indian. I can prove it. The article Umar Khalid was deleted here Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Umar Khalid (2nd nomination). In the first AFD vanamonde voted keep as Umar Khalid made pro-Pakistan slogans in Delhi. He has kept the communal riot articles in his watchlist. If any editor increases the Hindu death figure, then he will revert it back, but when someone will increase the Muslim death toll, he won't revert it back, even if it's original research and not according to sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.37.59 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

We can find more evidence. --John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@1.39.37.59: You may be presenting a good case, but don't be anti-Islam. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 12:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I am not @Emir of Misplaced Pages: But I can't support Pakistani editors who make anti-Hindu edits. I don't know which country you are from, all these problems escalated with the release of a movie called Bajirao Mastani. Another problem is that Pakistani anomymous IPs try to vandalize the page Indian Army and insert false information in these pages 2016 Pathankot attack, 2008 Mumbai attacks. Some established Pakistani editors try to show Lashkar-e-Taiba in positive light. These things can't be accepted, and anyone who supports them can't be a neutral administrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.57.125 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Why can't we be anti-Islam, Emir? What if we are atheists?VictoriaGrayson 14:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@VictoriaGrayson: I'm an atheist, and I think it's moronic to oppose an editor because of his beliefs. As long as he shows that he can put his personal views aside and be neutral, like any decent Wikipedian, I don't see a reason to oppose due to beliefs. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 14:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. I'm not a Muslim but I'm not anti-Islam, I'm not a Hindu but I'm not anti-Hinduism, I'm not a Christian but I'm not anti-Christianity, etc - "not X" is not the same as "anti X". Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Victoria please don't make such comments here. This is not the right place. It won't show good about you. We have to be secular and respect all religion to oppose Pakistani anti-Hindu editors. John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@VictoriaGrayson: We can't be anti-Islam or anti-Hindu or anti-Indian, as Misplaced Pages is neutral. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 17:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - Please read this and reply Thanks VarunFEB2003 12:54, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not trying to single anyone out, but so far the candidate is being asked to prove a negative, and no diffs nor other evidence has been provided. The accusers of POV must make a much better case. I find the candidates rationale to the Umar_Khalid AfD to be rational, and ascribing motives to someone else seems like a type of personal attack. A consistent pattern of biased editing, particularly unsourced, needs to be demonstrated. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I need to clarify. My concern is solely about the accusations of POV, the the willingness of some to hold the candidate responsible for the unsubstantiated claims of others. CFredkin and Softlavender make the type of arguments that are specific and verifiable. I may or may not be concerned by them, but I have a basis upon which to make a judgement. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment Candidates are allowed to have biases. Why? Because everyone is biased about something. It's impossible to avoid and I haven't seen anything from any of the oppose comments in the form of evidence that would indicate they would disregard something like WP:INVOLVED when conducting administrative actions. Mkdw 20:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)