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Image Tagging

Greetings. From the description and use of Image:Turul.jpg, it appears you intended this media to be freely available. I took the liberty of applying a {{GFDL-presumed}} tag. Could you confirm this at by replacing my edit with {{GFDL-self}}? Regards, Dethomas 00:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Ford Mustang response

Copied from my Talk page before archiving:

Mustang GT question

Are you the final word on all things Mustang GT at Misplaced Pages? I'm still relatively new here and don't understand the pecking order and decision making policies. Duke53 19:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)Duke53

No, definitely not. No one besides Jimbo Wales is, really. Did you have a question or concern? ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:47 (UTC)

It just seemed to me that you made a change ('Sporty Coupe') arbitrarily and did it with a smartass comment besides. You also removed some pictures that I thought were pertinent to the article. Duke53 05:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)Duke53

I don't recall removing pictures in that or any recent edit. "Sporty Coupe" isn't even a real class of car, so for someone to make that change was asinine. It is, by virtue of its very existence, first and foremost a pony car. It is, in fact, the source of the term. A lot of work has gone into that article by serious editors and for someone to "arbitrarily" change the designation to some made-up class like "Sporty Coupe" is just plain wrong. I know you've had some confusion in the past about image removal and who did what (last time, I was the one who actually RESTORED images that you and placed and someone else had removed, if you'll recall) so I'm going to assume that there's some confusion again. If I'm wrong, please point out the edit in question (using the page history tab as a starting point) and I'll try to explain my changes. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 14:53 (UTC)

Just did some quick research and the only image change I've done in the Ford Mustang article recently was this edit on April 9. In that edit, I put back a picture that someone else had removed. I explained this previously in a comment now archived here. Hope this clears things up! ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 20:49 (UTC)

In your Revision as of 09:50, April 14, 2006 Brossow (Talk | contribs) edit did you remove two pictures? The 1987 is relevant because it was a completely different EFI system and many body changes were made. The 1994 was the last year of the FOX body Mustangs. Duke53 19:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Duke53

Oh, yep -- I removed a couple images there for reasons described in the edit: there were simply too many pictures on the page. (I missed that edit when checking the page history -- oops!) The article is not a photo gallery. If those differences you mentioned were the point of posting those photos, then that should have been stated in the photo captions; otherwise, they're just more photos. And the fact that the '93 was the last year of that body style doesn't mean it has to have a picture. If the article featured photos of every cosmetic or, worse, fuel delivery change made to the Mustang since 1964, there would be dozens upon dozens of photos, which is clearly inappropriate. If one of those photos has to come back, choose one or the other as for all practical purposes they look extremely similar (aside from the obvious convertible vs. coupe distinction). Sorry for overlooking that change! ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:42 (UTC)

I went ahead and restored the image of the '87, but I'd ask that you add to the photo caption if you feel it's important to denote the differences from the previous year. I'd also like to point out that there's a link to the Commons at the bottom of the page where people can access many more Mustang pics. I'd encourage you to upload additional pictures to the Commons if you like; then you could have as many pics as you like available for everyone without impacting the layout of the main article itself. :-) ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:45 (UTC)

On a semi-related note, let's try to keep this conversation in one place so it's easier to follow. For whatever reason, your two most recent edits to my Talk page have included a lot of unrelated comments from other conversations that were previously archived. If we could just contain the discussion here, that would be great. This page is on my watchlist, so I'll be sure to see any comments or responses you make. :-) ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 21:10 (UTC)

Please quit adding strange formatting to the Mustang article. I specifically said above that if you feel the images are necessary to illustrate differences from a previous model, then point out those differences in the photo caption, not with random bold or italics. Continued edits in this manner could be considered vandalism. Thanks for your cooperation. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:18 (UTC)

Considered vandalism by who? Using italics for emphasis is common when writing in the English language. I consider your signature far more annoying. As far as guessing what you 'mean' when you write something, well I don't have time for that. Unless you are a boss here, please refrain from telling me what to do ... your arrogance is not cool to some of us. Duke53 02:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)Duke53

Image Tagging Image:2005 IronMan.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:2005 IronMan.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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I took the picture in question. That is why I put my name on it Duke53 22:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Duke53

For all we now Dan Carmichael could be the man in the picture. If you want your images to not be questioned, please document per WP:IUP#Adding_images. -Thanks Nv8200p talk 22:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know you are the only one to ever question them. Now you know. Duke53 23:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Duke53

Stop vandelizing

If you have constructive comments to add to the UNC basketball articles please do it in a NPOV way. Thank you. Remember 13:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you trying to say that the Dean Smith article is done in a NPOV way? Not hardly. Duke53 02:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

The word you are looking for is vandalism. But why do you consider it vandalism? If you want vanity pages, then just say so (though I believe that they aren't allowed here). Is there any lie in what I added? I will be reverting both pages to my edits if you can prove that what I added was not true. Live with it. Duke53 19:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

p.s. you may be able to boss others around, but don't try it with me.

There is no need to get into an edit war over this. If you want to add criticsim to the Coach Smith article, please do. But the idea that one has to prove a negative (prove that the allegations you state are not true) in order to remove allegations that do not have proof for is not the way that wikipedia works. In addition, the way that you state your criticism indicates a bias against smith. I would recommend that you try a more NPOV way of stating your criticism if you want it to survive. One approach would be to state that while Coach Smith has been created with supporting his players and coaches, some have criticized him for his silence in several scandals involving his players and assistant coaches and then cite to articles that actually critize him for this. Remember 21:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It would be easier to accept criticism from someone who can actually spell. I asked you a question above, which you conveniently did not answer: are you saying that the Dean Smith article is done in a NPOV way? I can easily see the bias in favor of Ol' Deano a/k/a Coach Smif. Why do you insist that I be able to cite sources? I don't see many sources cited in the article as of now. I will be reverting to my version by tomorrow if I do not receive an explanation of your terms and an answer to the above question. I can play this game as long as you can.Duke53 01:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

"are you saying that the Dean Smith article is done in a NPOV way?" - I am not arguing one way or the other whether or not the Dean Smith article is done in a NPOV way. I and merely focusing my argument on your edits. If you want to add information to the Dean Smith article, please do. But when you do it, try to do it in a way that is in a NPOV fashion and has factual evidence to back up your claims. I have seen that you have edited other articles and have done this. I appreciate your contributions to wikipedia and I hope you can make the Dean Smith article more balanced.

"I can easily see the bias in favor of Ol' Deano a/k/a Coach Smif." - It is definately true that most bios, including this one, are probably bias towards those that like the individual (those in favor of a person tend to be more motivated to create a biography for that person). If you would like to counter this with some of your own evidence, please do so. If you want to tone done some praise that you think is NPOV, please do so. I am only suggesting that your edits show an obvious bias and should be revised.

"Why do you insist that I be able to cite sources?" - Because if you are going to claim that Smith did or did not take actions that some would consider controversial it is best to back up those claims with evidence so that your information will remain on the page.

"I can play this game as long as you can." - It is irrelevant whether you can wait me out on your edits. Every wikipedia article evolves over time. The Smith article today will surely be different from the Smith article a year from now. The real question is whether your revisions will last within the article. As long as you write them in such a bias fashion, they will not last. If the article is not edited by me, then it will be edited by all the other people that will visit this page. As for your ability to outlast me, I am sure that you can outlast me. I do not have much patience for edit wars. If that is your sole purpose, then you will surely win. But all you will have won is that your edits will remain on the page for a little while longer. Your edits will not last unless random people that visit the page think that your edits are in a NPOV fashion. Remember 15:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

"are you saying that the Dean Smith article is done in a NPOV way?"
- "I am not arguing one way or the other whether or not the Dean Smith article is 

done in a NPOV way".

There's the rub ... you are insisting that I adhere to some standard that other contributors to the article aren't being held to, because you are a Coach Smif disciple. There's a term for what you are demanding: hypocrisy. Don't expect me to uphold a standard that you don't hold everyone to. Duke53 17:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

Dean Smith edits

"Other critics of Smith even contend that he orchestrated 'back room' deals to arrange the coaching situation at UNC-CH to his liking." I took this out because it is vague. What exactly did Smith arrange to his liking and who exactly is accusing him of this. Remember 03:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No more vague than much of the rest of the article. DO NOT HOLD ME TO A STANDARD THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW Duke53 16:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

If you have problems with other aspects of the article please feel free to edit them or you can bring them to my attention and we can work together to edit them. Otherwise, I do not know which parts of the article that you are referring to. As for your comments, please clarify your allegations about Dean Smith's actions and provide evidence for your allegations. Remember 17:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

More edits

I took out the following because the first part is unnecssarily pejorative: "Other critics of Smith even contend that he orchestrated 'back room' deals to arrange the coaching situation at UNC-CH to his liking."

The second part needs to be cited: "Smith reportedly called Roy Williams repeatedly asking him to leave KU and return to UNC-CH when Bill Guthridge fell into disfavor, and again when Matt Doherty was experiencing an 8 - 20 season."

And the third part belongs on the Roy Williams page and which I have added there: "Williams eventually did return, but not until after he stated (on national television): "I could give a shit about Carolina right now"."

"The second part needs to be cited: "Smith reportedly called Roy Williams repeatedly asking him to leave KU and return to UNC-CH when Bill Guthridge fell into disfavor, and again when Matt Doherty was experiencing an 8 - 20 season.""

This was widely reported at the time in many newspapers; unfortunately when you do a search you get '404' error messages (items are no longer available). Duke53 20:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Duke53

I think it is unfortunate that you expect more from some editors than others ... I would love to see some sources cited for the rest of the article. When time allows I will be reverting my parts of the article, then you can delete them; for someone who has no time for edits wars you sure have been persistent.

I have responded to this comment on the Dean Smith discussion page. Remember 22:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Misquoting

You say that Remember has misquoted you and then refused to apologize to you. If this is still a problem for you, perhaps you could find the links to the edit history where you were misquoted, show them to Remember, and then politely ask for an apology. Remember might interpret things differently, however. He might think it was an honest misinterpretation, so you might not get the type of apology you want. But if the incident bothers you so much that you feel the need to keep bringing it up, this approach might be worth the effort. But if it's not worth the effort to you, then everyone's interests are best served by just letting it go.

As an aside, your demand for sources was entirely justified, and it has resulted in the article being improved with several references since the earlier conflict. Well done. Rohirok 17:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

David Mallett etc.

Does he go by Dave or David? We could always make a redirect. Anyway what I really wanted to suggest was, rather than just adding a bunch of names to List of singer-songwriters, could you make sure the folks are included in the correct category under Category:Singer-songwriters? Near the bottom of the artists' pages (just above any stub tags) you would want to add something like this:

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Categories are much easier to maintain in the long run and have some advantages over lists. Regards -MrFizyx 20:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Here is how to make a redirect work. Now try looking up Dave mallet, while we're at it I should make one for Dave Mallett since the two don't seem to give the same results. Let me know if you have any other problems. -MrFizyx 20:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I will try it.

I have some CDs that are credited to Dave Mallett and others where it's David Mallett; I have heard him called Dave by more people, and it is how I've heard him refer to himself. Duke53 02:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Third Party

You mentioned wanting a third party. You might look at this for help: That, of course, is assuming the current version is not satisfactory to you. Hopefully it is at this point - I moved all mention of Dook/Carowhina, etc to the Trivia section UNC-Duke Rivalry article. It's better suited there, and won't needlessly drag the individual schools' articles down.

Also, thanks for sourcing the arson claims. I didn't doubt that it happened, but I thought we could do better than an editorial. I'm fine with including negative aspects of any subject provided they are written fairly and cited. Thanks Dubc0724 20:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

George W. Bush

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to George W Bush. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. AuburnPilot 11:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Why do you believe it is so pertinent to mention Bush's age at the time of the drunk driving arrest? He was not arrested for underage drinking (which would make it reasonable to explicitly state his age). Note that the reader can fairly easily calculate what was Bush's age at any point in the article, so unless there is a really good reason to explicitly write his age, it would seem to me to be unnecessary. --Asbl 05:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

AuburnPilot, are you dense? Adding the age of a subject of an article is not adding commentary! I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of the items that you've pointed out to me. NPOV; try to grasp what that means before leaving a message like this, okay?

Asbl, His age is pertinent to a section where his rationalization for being a drunk is linked. Take out his excuses and then mentioning his age is not necessary. --Duke 53 User_talk:Duke53 18:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

What was his excuse? If it was something along the line of "youthful indiscretion"? then I'd agree with you that his age is pertinent. In that case, however, please bring his excuse into the article, otherwise his age just appears to have come out of nowhere and would therefore appear to be out of place. --Asbl 20:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I read the paragraph in its entirety, and I now understand what you are talking about. How do you like this modification? --Asbl 20:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

That works for me. AFAIK, anybody who is 30 can't blame their indiscretions and mistakes on their age. --Duke 53 User_talk:Duke53 04:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Use of tags

Hi, Just as an aside, it's better to use {{subst:test2del}} than {{test2del}}. Regards, Ben Aveling 03:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It's over

warning-war removed

I hate interfering with another person's talk page, but this is the only way I think I can de-escalate this entire situation without resorting to bans. Duke53: People make mistakes, 2nd Piston Honda made two mistakes and apologised. End of story. --  Netsnipe  ►  21:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

That is not good enough for me. How do I appeal this to someone at a higher level than you?

p.s. did you delete any images I uploaded? Was his apology when he called me a douche, an asshole or an ass? "Duke53 | Talk" 21:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just went to his talk page; quite a different message over there. Why? I would have to say that you have much to learn about being an administrator ... you dropped the ball on this one; does Misplaced Pages policy mean nothing to you? Thank You "Duke53 | Talk" 22:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The image was deleted per Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion: "UE (unencyclopedic) - The image doesn't seem likely to be useful in this encyclopedia." Apologies for forgetting to notify you on that issue. Anyway, you can always just link to the diff instead of wasting Misplaced Pages's server resources. Yes, you can try and take this issue further by following the Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes process and the next step is to seek mediation with 2nd Piston Honda. And for your information, this is my first day on the the job as an administrator and I was just following the advice at Misplaced Pages:Civility#Removing uncivil comments. --  Netsnipe  ►  22:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Well since it's your first day, I will try to work with you.

• I did not break Misplaced Pages policy ... 2nd Piston Honda did (more than once). Misplaced Pages's policies should be foremost in your mind when doing the job. It wasn't even close.
• The image was (is) useful in this encyclopedia, for me to prove the point that 2nd Piston Honda lied about deleting my posts. Your 'forgetting' to notify me was very convenient for some people.
• I did not call him any names ... he called me a douche, an asshole and an ass; I don't recall seeing an apology for any of that. Did I miss it somehow? I'd like for you to point out that apology for me, please.
• As much as you hate altering a user's talk page I dislike it more. If a guy has the balls to say something then let it stay forever.

Your 'compromise' here is way too one-sided. Remember, I did my thing according to Misplaced Pages policy, others didn't. I wouldn't worry too much about having to spend a lot of time here administering if this first case is any indication of your abilities. "Duke53 | Talk" 22:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV

I have moved your discussion to Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#.7B.7Buser.7CBillsonator.7D.7DMisplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Duke53_and_2nd_Piston_Honda. WP:AIV is a place for obvious cases of vandalism that can't be disputed, not for long discussions.--Konstable 00:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank You. Just giving background in case an impartial administrator cares to take it up. Did you do the same for the other guy's message?? Hmm .... "Duke53 | Talk" 00:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? I did leave the other guy an identical message a minute or two after I left this message on your page. See - --Konstable 04:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Nothing against you, I assure you. I'm just wondering why I was directed to leave my message in a different spot than where others are told to leave theirs. I'm getting a bit suspicious of how people are treated differently on Misplaced Pages. so I did check to see if you left the same message over there. "Duke53 | Talk" 05:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV has a huge green banner describing that this is a page for clear persistent vandals who have received a variety of vandal warning and it says that the summary should be "short". This is a page that admins should just be able to go to and after a brief review block vandals. You and 2nd Piston Honda started a whole debate there, and I'm not sure what the exact problem was but it didn't seem to be clear persistent vandalism to me, but rather a personal dispute between you two. For things like these, and anything involving discussions, WP:AIV is not the place, WP:AN/I is the specialised place for that.--Konstable 05:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank You; you have been more help to me than anybody billed as an administrator. "Duke53 | Talk" 06:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Putting an end to this

You probably have realised already that your dispute is going nowhere, except maybe insulting an administrator and maybe a couple of other people - which will do you no good apart. So why not just stop? Why not stop making comments against the admin, even if you still think he wronged you, remove Image:The truth hurts?.jpg from your talk page - it achieves no point anyway. Why not just drop this matter and getting back to editing? The longer the dispute stretches out the more anger will be built up, which I'm sure no one wants.--Konstable 13:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank You for your concern, but I believe that I will do this my way. I didn't come here to make new friends or to sit around singing verses of Kumbaya. I really don't care who gets angry ... "Duke53 | Talk" 16:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)