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	==POV?==

	With all due respect to the dead subject, I am a little uncomfortable with the statement "Irwin's personality and outrageous antics in the series made him an international celebrity". While he certainly was a great guy, that doesn't really sound very neutral to me, sounds more like a point of view/opinion. Thoughts?--] 10:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:I don't know, "outrageous antics" doesn't sound very positive to me! ] <small>(])</small> 12:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	Yeah, I think that's neutral - those are the things that made him an international celebrity, which I think everyone will agree he was. - Davokills

	He was outrageous, for sure. As I'm sure many people commented while watching him, "What sane person would do that?"

	:Badharlick may have a point here, about the word if not the sentiment. "Outrageous" actually means immoderate, shocking, grossly cruel, immoral or offensive. Perhaps "eccentric" is more suited? ] 13:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::But that's not the common usage of the word, which Misplaced Pages says we should use. Something tells me you'd be in favour of retaining the title "Red Army Faction" over a change to "Red Army Fraction" (which is the proper translation), so at the same time you should expect that the connotations of "outrageous" far outweigh its denotations. ] 14:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	==September 3 or 4==
	The article says he died september 4 at 11:00am but right now is september 4 and it's 2:40.Did he died september 3.]

	It was 11:00am Eastern Standard Time for Australia where he was. ] 09:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)VoRn

	He died today at around 0100 UTC time, or 11:00am local time. --]]] 09:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:He died just after 11.00am (Australian Eastern time) on Monday 4 September. The news broke about 3 hours later after his family had been informed. The first edit was made to the Misplaced Pages article at about 2.13pm (but reverted shortly afterwards as unverified), so the article was amended very quickly after the event. --] 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::Mate, that comment is one of the all-time pearler's i've ever seen on Misplaced Pages! ] 12:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:::I totally have to agree, and secondly, it's ''the fourth of september'' not ''september four'' or ''four september. The later two imply that there are 4 different septembers, this is impossible in one year. Learn to speak english. ] 14:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::::funny how the wikipedia timestamp says 4 september. stop being so pedantic.

	Why does it say he was taken to Cairns Base Hospital, and "where Irwin was pronounced dead on arrival at noon." when the Reference it points to says something completely different "The response unit left in a helicopter for the Batt Reef at 11.18am and arrived shortly after. Mr Irwin was pronounced dead at the scene immediately, the spokeswoman said." Can someone change that? ] ] 12:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	I believe to be announced dead, a doctor has to sight the body, and check for any signs of life. I know when I last worked in a hospital that was the case. Steve would have been a DOA. ] 13:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Crikey Link ==

	There is a link to his phrase "Crikey!" which goes to an article about the website crikey.com, which I feel holds no relevance to his catch phrase.
	:I've removed the link. --] 09:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== MSN Messenger ==

	Please feel free to revoke me if you want, but given that there will be all sorts of things done by people all over the world in tribute to, and in memory of Steve, I don't feel that the MSN Messenger icon fact is particularly important to an encyclopedia article. I've removed it - I hope that's okay. ] 09:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	...aah, I see it's gone already. ] 09:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::I removed it, and have asked the editor for a source. Even then, I don't think it's notable enough for inclusion. -- ] 09:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


	:::Just wait for now- its taken a fairly strong grip on MSN right now. Maybe in a day or two if there is a news article on it then include the MSN reference. ] 11:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::I just re-removed it. It's certainly ] right now. — ] <sup><font color="darkred">]</font></sup> 12:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	What are pps doing for MSN? everyone I know is using the turtle infront of their username (tu).--<small>]<sub>]</sub>\|<sup>]</sup></small> 12:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	Hello, can I get an answer

	A bunch of people adding turtles in their msn name is hardly encyclopedia worthy. If some news agency reports it, then it might be. Now, it's just a "he, all my classmates have a turtle.. so millions of other users must be doing it too!" thing. -- ''']''' <sup> (])</sup> 13:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	Oh, I was just payed out by a wikipedian. Thats the lowest of lows.--<small>]<sub>]</sub>\|<sup>]</sup></small> 14:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	May I ask if the turtle has anything to do with Steve Irwin? I read that Harriet was a pet of Steve? Is that correct? Somewhere else I saw a pic of a turtle stung by stingray included in the middle of Steve's death report. Is there anything to do with turtles in Steve's personal or professional life? --] 16:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Turtle - see ] which I unfortunately tagged as a hoax --] 16:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	==On the news...==

	has a story about the vandalism of the page. ] 10:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:"Irwin's Misplaced Pages page defaced". Let us add: "and reverted in record time". ] <small>(])</small> 10:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::Yeah, the media always misses that, don't they? --]<sup>]</sup> 10:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::And at least here we keep a public record of changes. Remember the article on Misplaced Pages vandalism that itself carried the title "CORRECTED:"? — ] <sup><font color="darkred">]</font></sup> 12:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::Slow news day or what? They have to write about articles on wikipedia?
	::::: "''INTERNET encyclopedia Misplaced Pages was forced to remove an offensive message'' posted on its entry for Steve Irwin within minutes of the Crocodile Hunter's death earlier today. Within minutes of the news of Irwin's death breaking this afternoon, someone had written: "Steve Irwin's dead! LOLOLOLOLOL!" on the biography of the Australian icon. ''The entry was quickly spotted and removed from the page.''" In the future, you guys may want to read beyond the headline before getting your knee all jerked up. The prompt revision was mentioned once in the opening paragraph, as the lead sentence, and once more as the entire third paragraph following directly on the elaboration. ] 14:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::::Would anyone support me in creating an article explaining the way certain media do things like that? ] 14:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::::Pathetic! "''Internet encyclopedia Misplaced Pages was forced to remove an offensive message''" Seems they can't quite grasp the concept. ] 15:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Birth place ==

	According to ] he was born in William Angliss Hospital, but according to this page, ], he was born in Essendon. Which page is right? (at least before the page was just vandalised :-()
	*In the BBC News' obituary http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311982.stm they say Essendon. --] 13:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Essendon is a suburb of ], and the William Angliss Hospital is a hospital in ], so he was either born in william angliss or he was born at home in essendon, thats the question you should be asking. ] 14:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Archiving ==

	This article talk page has recieved over 100 edits in the last 3 hours. It is going to need frequent archiving. Exercise caution and ensure that important discussions arent lost. ] 10:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Please be more careful when doing this in future, you removed one of my recent questions before anyone could respond to it. I've put it back, but I'd rather not have to keep doing this. --] 11:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::Indeed, I thought archiving was for old discussions (from weeks/months ago), ''not'' for current discussions that people might still want to respond to. ] 11:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:::The intention was to archive earlier discussions including speculations about the current news and tributes that where aprt of 100+ edits to this page inside 3 hrs at that stage. The volume of edits was causing conflicts in achieving this so I quickly cut then pasted and was in the process of linking the archive back when Badharlick highlighted his question. I hadnt had the opportunity to check all the removed for any discussions that needed to be returned. ] 14:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Order of Australia==
	According to ]'s wiki entry (and backed up by the Croc Hunter website), she has an AM for services to tourism however it appears Steve does not. Is that true? --] 10:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	: I think so..I mean Steve did once get the Australian of the Year award..not too sure though =/ ] 12:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:: I don't think Steve Irwin did get Australian of the year award, that was Steve Waugh, a cricket player. ] 14:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Second or third known stingray attack in Australia? ==		== Second or third known stingray attack in Australia? ==
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	== Sprotected...again ==
	Had to do it. We were literally having 3-4 edits a minute. It was so many that it was impossible to patrol. We'll give it a little bit of time. --]<sup>]</sup> 10:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Half-staffing? ==

	Ok, since I am from the US, I could not register with the Aussie Commonwealth Flag Network, which updates about flag half-staffing. Can anyone confirm if the Aussie flags are going to be half-staffed for Irwin, and if so, for how long? ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	: As much as Steve was loved and respected, I wouldn't imagine that flags will be flown half mast tomorrow. ]
	::That's alright, I wouldn't probably expect anything until Monday or Tuesday (though I know PM Howard gave a statement). ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Is there a precedent for this? I thought this sort of thing, if used at all, would be reserved for the likes of the Royal Family. ] 12:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:: I think 217.34.39.123 is correct. I'm pretty sure that half masts are reserved for royals and key officials within the Commonwealth. I think it's shocked a lot of people (myself included) but at the end of the day he's a naturalist and celebrity rather than an official, albeit a popular one. I'm trying to think if there have been any half-masts for similarly popular people, can't think of any one immediately. ] 12:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Our own article ] states it is reserved for members of the royal family, the GG, distinguished citizens and foreign heads of state. Local flags may be flown at half mast, but I'd be very surprised if federal flags are lowered, if that's what you mean, Zscout. ] (]) 12:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	*It would be allowable - ''Flags in any locality can be flown at half-mast on the death of a local citizen or on the day, or part of the day, of their funeral.'' as per the official Commonwealth flag website http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/symbols/flag.cfm#halfmast Be interesting to know whether Federal flags were lowered for Bradman in 2001--] <sup>]</sup> 12:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	: Flags WERE flown for Bradman. I clearly remember it at school. {{unsigned2\|08:41, 4 September 2006\|59.167.116.185}}

	==Cause of death ==
	I was reading this bit of dicsussion and it disappeared. Anyway, according to the official website it was "stingray barb to his heart". :( Therefore citation 19 on the article page appears correct. ] 12:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	People really need to stop de-editing this article. He died instantly and was pronounced dead as soon as they brought him to the surface. I don't know why that's in dispute... some people just like to cause problems. Leave the death section be
	] 12:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	If he was pronounced dead as soon as they brought him up, how do you explain the several attempts to revive him? Do you think Joe Bloe can pronounce a time of death? Some sources are claiming the venom killed him, others state it was a pierced heart. The post mortem will confirm that obviously. ] 12:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:'pronounced dead as soon as they brought him up'? What, they had a doctor on board?--] 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:rest in peace, croc hunter --] 13:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


	I heard today that it isn't the venom that actually kills you, it causes a reaction that then causes a heart attack, which only occurs if the strike is close enought to the heart. ] 13:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:I was just watching CNN and they showed a statement OFFICIALLY from Steve's manager who was with him at the time of the accident. He said and I paraphrase, that Steve Irwin was punctured through the chest by the stingray barb and it "put a hole in his heart." He also added that he likely died instantly. It was not the venom, but the bayonet-like barb puncturing his heart and causing cardiac arrest. I'm not gonna edit the article, but I hope that I am a respected enough Wikipedian that my testimony helps resolve the matter. Since it was on CNN, I do not have a "source" officially and they have not updated their page to reflect the "through heart" testimony. ] 14:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Wait till the results of the autopsy. It was conducted last night, so the official cause of death should be known sometime soon. ] 14:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


	it's either the second or third recorded stingray attack in Australia...crazy...but anyway back to the topic at hand it would seem to be the actual barb puncturing his heart...almost like a spear than anything else that would have killed him ] 15:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	==S Protection==

	Please protect against anonymous IPs, etc. Thanks. —☆ ''']''' 12:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Thank you! —☆ ''']''' 12:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	THANK YOU FOR THE PROTECTION!

	:What happened to the sprotection? As soon as it was lifted, the vandalism came back! Please sprotect it again! A man just died — he shouldn't be made fun of! --]] 13:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::Yeah..I've been checking on this page for about an hour, and the vandalism thing keeps coming on and off. - ] 14:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Antarctic incident ==

	what happened to that section...? ] <small>(])</small> 12:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::Was merged into a Controversy section. Having a section with two short sentances is pointless, thus it was merged into one. Info is still all there, it just looks less scrappy now. ] 12:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Short sections = inspiration for expansion, yo. :P ] <small>(])</small> 13:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::True, but anymore on the Antartic incident would be superfluous. Sections that could do with expanding would be image and Animal Planet. ] 13:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Tributes ==		== Tributes ==
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	: You have to sign up to post on the ABC tribute page. Suggest using the easier option of the or ] 13:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)		: You have to sign up to post on the ABC tribute page. Suggest using the easier option of the or ] 13:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Species of Stingray??==
	Anyone able to determine, which specific species of ] was the culprit? If so, we should add it to the article. I assume it was a very large species. ] 12:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	- Quite Possibly, but due to the vast number of 'rays it would just be impossible to determine what species killed Steve, let alone include it in the article. --] 13:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)::
	::It was a bull ray according to CNN's website and wildlife "man" Ben Cropp, here's a link: ().

	== Picture of Stingray Barb ==

	Hi, just curious about something, earlier on there was a picture of a stingray's barb in the death section. Just wondering why it was taken down. I'm not up to speed yet with the going's on here so just want to clarify. Thanks --] 14:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::I assume because someone thought it was in poor taste. -- ] 07:37, 4 September 2006 (PDT)
	:::I'd say it's poor taste to be put on this page...maybe as a compromise link to article on that species (if it already exists) and perhaps a picture could be put there?] 15:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


	murder weapons are show in court all the time, in front of the victims family. i hardly think the barb pic caused any offence and should be re-instated. it gives a good idea of how easily it can pierce human flesh.
	: I agree. Showing the method of his death is hardly offensive for an encyclopaedia, especially given that the manner of death is so rare, and is not as familiar as one would expect from a gunshot, stabbing, or explosion. My only suggestion for this, from an informative standpoint, is to include at least a basic scale for the image of the barb (for example, "the average stingray barb is x cm in length." ] 15:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	-- First thing I wanted to see was how a Stingray Barb could actually kill someone. - Dan

	== Readded Trivia Section ==

	Re added it for the sole reason that it is to be reworked into prose, which is going to be difficult if nobody can read what is supposed to be reworked. All the user that took out the trivia section "as per" the to do list did was delete it wholesale, which is not what the to do list instructed at all. I suggest leaving it for now until the editing dies down and somebody can use that section to rewrite it in full an in context, instead of just excising it completely and leaving whoever has to prune it to wade through what will become an invariably lengthy history. ] 14:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== How soon does this article become locked? ==

	It's only a matter of time before the "tripling elephants" fanboys move in on this one. -] 15:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Vandals ==

	This page is getting a LOT of vandalism. I think it needs to be locked down for now. ] 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Yes, ''please''. -- ] (]) 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::this is crazy 50 edits(almost half are reverts) in 11 minutes to the article please someone put a tempory lock inplace ] 15:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::The news outlets are going to have a field day with this one ] 15:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::I agree this page is getting too much vadalism and it is too hard to determine which edit is valid with so much traffic. Some comments too insensitive, so a lock down would show good protocal until things calm down. ] 15:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Is this link suitable? ==
	Should we include this link on the page? (link below). It is a video on YouTube, relating to Steve Irwin's death.


	:been removed by youtube
	:: re-instated by youtube

	== Weasel words in death section ==		== Weasel words in death section ==
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	:Uh, "the media speculated"? Maybe we should delete that sentence. ] 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)		:Uh, "the media speculated"? Maybe we should delete that sentence. ] 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Vandalism ==

	There's been a tad too much vandalism. Can we ban new and unregistered users from modding the article?

	:we need to have this page protected. Can anyone please get a Admin to do that? ] 15:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:: ESPECIALLY ON THE DAY HE DIED!

	Dis-tasteful!
	PLEASE PROTECT THIS ITS HORRIBLE WHAT SOME IDITOS ARE DOING :(

	--] 15:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:I've been watching,reverting as well as archiving the talk page for over 9 hours today that isnt anywhere near the worst of the comments thats have been reverted. more the pitty that someone would do this to anyone. ] 15:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	I think vandalism is the incorrect word to use as it suggests that the offense is punishable by law. I think something like 'pratting around' is suffice.

	:Will you ---- off if you don't know anything about Misplaced Pages procedures and terminology. Read ] before expounding your worthless opinions on the matter. On the original subject, I'd like to add my voice to the call for admin intervention, but for ] please, as most of the vandalism is coming from anons. The rate of editing on this article is very high and it's difficult to keep track of the changes. ] 15:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::please refrain from losing your temper. more people will like you as a result. thanks in advance. please also bare in mind that young children use this site frequently and should not be reading such words as used by yourself.

	:This article is currently posted on ITN/main page. As per ]: "Articles linked from the main page should NOT be protected (full or semi) except to clean up vandalism. Protection should be kept to 10-15 minutes in these cases." ] ] 15:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	::The edits were flowing too fast. Just in adding the semi-protection notice, I had to re-edit the page twice because the edits of others were reverting my addition of the notice. Attempts to revert vandalism would be similarly afflicted. - ] 15:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::After seeing the frequency of the vandalism (+40 edits in less than two minutes), I had to put the sprotect back on. Yes, I would rather have sprotect on if the frequency of the vandals, along with our vandal fighting bots, leads to numerous the edit conflicts. ] ] 15:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	Guess that means I'll have to spend the whole day patrolling.

	Are we allowed to use the word F---- in here as some person has done above?

	Please refrain from its useage.

	== Semi-protection ==

	I have semi-protected this article (which seems to have happened several times today already). There is far too much traffic on this article for any legitimate effort to stop vandalism. The effect of this semi-protection is to stop newly-registered accounts and anonymous contributors from changing the article. In the meantime, if there is something of probative value to add to the article, these changes may be suggested here on the talk page. Thank you for your understanding and co-operation. - ] 15:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	:And it got unprotected a few minutes later. "that anybody can edit": 1, "an encyclopedia": 0. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:larger;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> ] ]</span> 15:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	::After seeing the frequency of the vandalism (+40 edits in less than two minutes), I had to put the sprotect back on. Yes, I would rather have sprotect on if the frequency of the vandals, along with our vandal fighting bots, leads to numerous the edit conflicts. ] ] 15:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

	== 3rd or 4th ==

	The article has that he was fatally stung on the 3rd, but his death date is the 4th. Which one is correct?] 15:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	*Nevermind...it's been fixed.] 15:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Second or third known stingray attack in Australia?

BBC says second. The Age, citing a stingray expert, says third. This one mentions an earlier attack than the one in/near Melbourne, but does not say if it's in Australia. — LazyEditor (talk) 10:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

News reports tonight said only 17 known in the world and 2 in Australia. However they were ambiguous if it was 2 including Steve's or 2 before his.

The disctinction to be made here is fatal attack. In all likelihood there are far more non-fatal stingray attacks than fatal ones. There may be some confusion over the numbers because of this. Professor Ninja 14:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

An expert interviewd on ABC (Channel 2) during the late news explained that he could find around 30 known stingray deaths in the world to date. Trust the best source, I'd suggest US media know little facts concerning this. Nick carson 14:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Some news reports are saying there is only one other?Cvene64 15:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The Daily Telegraph reports that there have been three previous stingray attack fatalities in Australia (making this the fourth), and actually enumerates them (1945, 1969, 1990). I think this source should trump the others because it provides detail. Djcastel 16:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Tributes

This talk page isn't the place to leave tributes and other such what. If you are looking for that, see here:ABC tribute page to Steve Irwin.--Hamedog_Talk| 13:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I've read Help:Talk page and I see nothing that says talk pages must not contain tributes. --Tim1988 13:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you stop at "inevitably"? "Inevitably, there will arise situations in which collaborators on an article can benefit mutually from discussing the article' - thus we have talk pages, specifically for such discussion. Info for talk pages: There are two types of talk pages - the first one is standard talk pages which are used to discuss an article, while user talk pages are used to communicate with other users or leave them messages." — ceejayoz 13:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

See above in the {{talkheader}}. It says "This is the talk page for discussing changes to the Steve Irwin article". A tribute isn't a change to the article. -- Longhair 13:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually created a seperate tribute page, but that was deleted on the provisions that wikipedia does not host tributes. I actually used the same argument you have used. Any way, it clusters up the page.--Hamedog_Talk| 13:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You have to sign up to post on the ABC tribute page. Suggest using the easier option of the SMH's or The Australian's Rafy 13:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words in death section

There's a weasel word in the death section:

Some speculate...

I'm putting the weasel template until this can be fixed. --Jrothwell 15:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh, "the media speculated"? Maybe we should delete that sentence. dposse 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bindi

"He had been filming a segment for his daughter Bindi's upcoming television series." His daughter is going to have her own television series? If so, we should have an article for her. -anon

that's too bad he can't finish it...I think it would be cool if she had her own show. --Mitternacht90 16:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

If the page is semi-protected...

Then why don't you guys get rid of the damned "I SAY YOU HE DEEADDDDDD" heading near the bottom of the article.

God, now I know why so many people hate Misplaced Pages.

68.53.121.170 15:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

We semi-protected the article to facilitate the removal of vandalism like that. If you refresh your page, you should find that that heading has gone. Before we semi-protected it, we were getting up to 7 or 8 edits to the article per minute, which made it extremely difficult to remove vandalism, because our edits conflicted with those who submitted their edits mere seconds before us. - Mark 16:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

semi protecting for so long is denying many people the opportunity to enhance the article. please unlock asap.

find space for this pic

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Spine2ks2.jpg

ouch!

Clearly distasteful for this page. We would not put an upclose photo of the gun that shot JFK on his page. Jasonid 16:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Under normal circumatnces talk pages would not have discussions that are only an hour old archived. But under the current circumstances the volume of edits istarting to expand this page beyond a resaonable size. Most of the earlier discussions appear to be completed.

I intend archive the first 25 discussions except tributes(#15) and weasel words(#22) are there any objections. Remember if something significant gets archived it can be returned to this page. Gnangarra 16:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

also keep (#9)number of sting ray attacks Gnangarra

Should not be unprotected.

At least not today. As soon as this page is unprotected the vandals will start flowing in again faster than ever. Let's have some respect for this man and not let vandals ruin this entry. Jasonid 16:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. How the hell can we do our jobs when those dumb vandals are messing it up? dposse 16:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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