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	:::: I would agree, but again, isn't that the definition of original research? And did you notice that the stats don't deal "mixed" marriages? In short, there are too many problems involved in using this source. ] (]) 09:06, 15 September 2016 (UTC)		:::: I would agree, but again, isn't that the definition of original research? And did you notice that the stats don't deal "mixed" marriages? In short, there are too many problems involved in using this source. ] (]) 09:06, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Photo licensing

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Thanks, I know I can't really enforce it, but in the past, an educational institution used one of my maps and gave me credit, so I assume they"ve read the copyrights notice, so asking permission for usage might at least prevent serious institutions from using my maps. I"ll check the links when i"ll finish the works. Thanks.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 17:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I know I've seen some folks on Commons request that people obtain permission for re-use of the photos, and templated them as such. I was unable to locate any templates on this wiki or at Commons to do this though, so they must have been handmade templates. Commons admins will know more about this topic. — Diannaa (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Alright.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Yokneam Moshava

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Hebrew

Hi, Please check my crappy translation at Talk:Rachel's Tomb (second last section). Probably there are OCR errors in the Hebrew text too, because this came off microfilm. Feel free to edit my text if you like Thanks. Zero 14:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Mishmar HaEmek

Hi, This sentence is not meaningful: "The Jezreel Valley was placed at the top of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) during the time of the Fourth Aliyah (1924–1928)." Do you mean that the Jezreel Valley was the JNF's top priority? If so, I suggest something like "During the time of the Fourth Aliyah (1924–1928), settlement of the Jezreel Valley was the top priority of the Jewish National Fund (JNF)." Zero 00:46, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

In the Israeli education system, English is divided into three levels: three, four and five points. Each point represents the weight of the material you learn. I did five points, so it means I made harder tests and also learned 6 English literature pieces. There was also an option for "seven points" which is an additional two points (i.e. two tests) for translating English to Hebrew, but my school is shit, so there you have it, a valley is placed in the top of an organization.

Anyway, yes, this is what I meant, I just literally translated the Hebrew words in my mind.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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State of Palestine / Palestinian Authority

Hello Bolter21. Thanks for your comments. What is now called the State of Palestine has basically taken over from the Palestinian Authority and I think a very logical claim can be made that their institutions are regarded as the same. How would you explain and justify the (territorial) dichotomy between them? Gerard von Hebel (talk) 01:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Nope.

The State of Palestine is a "state" which was declared in 1988 as a goverment in exile by the PLO. It's legislative body is the Palestinian National Council and it has a different office for President than the PA's one President of the State of Palestine. Mahmoud Abbas assumed his role as the President of the Palestinian Authority via elections on 15 January 2005, while he was appointed by the Palestinian Central Council to be the president of the State of Palestine on May 2005.

The Palestinian Authority is a "nationa authority" which was established through an agreement between Israel and the PLO in 1994. It has a separate legislative body: Palestinian Legislative Council, it has a different office for presidency, it has elections and ministries and it is still here. There is now a dispute about local elections for the Palestinian Authority.

Below is a rant, cause it's 4:30AM in the morning. You don't have to read it, I just didn't feel like deleting it. I didn't even double-check for typos.

rant
In 2012 and 2013 there were the UN vote on upgrading the SoP status to a "non-member state" from an "entity" as well as Abbas' declaration of renaming the PNA's name to "State of Palestine" (which seemingly wasn't fully implemented). This caused some Wikipedians to create an aboslute clusterfuck of unbased facts, creating and moving new articles with no discussions and acceptence of 2-3 editors and generally all of that happened without any ctritism. It was simply arrogance. Now you have things like "List of cities administered by the State of Palestine", which was once "List of cities in Palestinian Authority areas" but it was changed, without any source to imply that the Palestinian National Council is somehow more responsible for the Palestinian cities, than the Palestinian Legislative Council of the Palestinian Authority. Some people went as far as writing that the PNA ceased to exist, even though Abbas himself promised that the Palestinian Authority won't be abolished. If it happened, there would be a shitstrom, as it literally means the end of the Oslo Accords, which of course, never happened. I tried to fix this, but unlike reverting edits, you can't simply revert a name change or the creation of a new article with no sources. You"ll start a discussion that will lead you to no where. The outcome is simple, Misplaced Pages is not verifiable in all that is related to Palestinian politics and I am not willing to give up my time and sanity for more pity arguments that end with nothing due to the stubborness of Wikipedians who refuse to use sources. The same thing happened in the last two years with the State of Palestine article. There was a consensus, that was changed by a user who said he "didn't like the lead section", his removal wans't properly reverted via WP:BRD and when the discussion had no consensus it remained in the same way. Then another unrelated made an absurd democratic vote, to change the lead section of the article, regardless to sources, and all the Israeli wikipedians who asked to discuss were met with disregard someone decided there are enough supporters to change the lead, conviniently someone who generally supports Palestine. When I tried to change this absurd thing, bringing more than 50 sources to support my claim, I was met with a millitant attempt to permanently ban me from Misplaced Pages for "violating a consensus" (dispite I didn't really). The English Misplaced Pages in regard to Palestinian politics is quite rotten, and I am amused at how much other wikipedians make arrogant moves without any sources, eventually causing a all of the other Wikipedias to follow them. When you write something in the English Misplaced Pages, all of the other Wikipedias will copy you. Surprisingly with the State of Palestine article it didn't happen with the Hebrew and Arabic wikipedia, which didn't even recognize the State of Palestine as an actual state, like how the English article is suggesting. The State of Palestine only exists on paper, it is, effectively, the Palestinian Liberation Organization under a new name, becuase the PLO simply wanted to gain legitimacy, and you can't gain legitimacy as an organization, you need to be a "state". The Arab League and the Soviets were happy to recognize the new "state" but in reality since 1988, the "State of Palestine" changed nothing in the ground.

rant

In 2012 and 2013 there were the UN vote on upgrading the SoP status to a "non-member state" from an "entity" as well as Abbas' declaration of renaming the PNA's name to "State of Palestine" (which seemingly wasn't fully implemented). This caused some Wikipedians to create an aboslute clusterfuck of unbased facts, creating and moving new articles with no discussions and acceptence of 2-3 editors and generally all of that happened without any ctritism. It was simply arrogance. Now you have things like "List of cities administered by the State of Palestine", which was once "List of cities in Palestinian Authority areas" but it was changed, without any source to imply that the Palestinian National Council is somehow more responsible for the Palestinian cities, than the Palestinian Legislative Council of the Palestinian Authority. Some people went as far as writing that the PNA ceased to exist, even though Abbas himself promised that the Palestinian Authority won't be abolished. If it happened, there would be a shitstrom, as it literally means the end of the Oslo Accords, which of course, never happened. I tried to fix this, but unlike reverting edits, you can't simply revert a name change or the creation of a new article with no sources. You"ll start a discussion that will lead you to no where. The outcome is simple, Misplaced Pages is not verifiable in all that is related to Palestinian politics and I am not willing to give up my time and sanity for more pity arguments that end with nothing due to the stubborness of Wikipedians who refuse to use sources. The same thing happened in the last two years with the State of Palestine article. There was a consensus, that was changed by a user who said he "didn't like the lead section", his removal wans't properly reverted via WP:BRD and when the discussion had no consensus it remained in the same way. Then another unrelated made an absurd democratic vote, to change the lead section of the article, regardless to sources, and all the Israeli wikipedians who asked to discuss were met with disregard someone decided there are enough supporters to change the lead, conviniently someone who generally supports Palestine. When I tried to change this absurd thing, bringing more than 50 sources to support my claim, I was met with a millitant attempt to permanently ban me from Misplaced Pages for "violating a consensus" (dispite I didn't really).

The English Misplaced Pages in regard to Palestinian politics is quite rotten, and I am amused at how much other wikipedians make arrogant moves without any sources, eventually causing a all of the other Wikipedias to follow them. When you write something in the English Misplaced Pages, all of the other Wikipedias will copy you. Surprisingly with the State of Palestine article it didn't happen with the Hebrew and Arabic wikipedia, which didn't even recognize the State of Palestine as an actual state, like how the English article is suggesting. The State of Palestine only exists on paper, it is, effectively, the Palestinian Liberation Organization under a new name, becuase the PLO simply wanted to gain legitimacy, and you can't gain legitimacy as an organization, you need to be a "state". The Arab League and the Soviets were happy to recognize the new "state" but in reality since 1988, the "State of Palestine" changed nothing in the ground.

Cheers.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 01:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Rant. 🔯 Sir Joseph 18:52, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Why isn't German the global language?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Because the US won the war. :) 🔯 Sir Joseph 19:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Half of the Americans are Germany anyway--Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Population updater

Going through the ones marked as "done", I noticed that many of the West Bank settlements haven't had it added – I'm guessing because they have the 2015 figures in already? I think we should still be adding the updater to these articles, as although it will temporarily mean it being one year behind, the official 2015 figures are due out anytime now and the whole template will be updated. If they don't get it added, next year they won't be updated when the 2016 figures are released. And thanks for your help with this – we're over halfway there now! Cheers, Number 5 7 12:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Warning

Thanks for adding sources to the population figures in the Mizrahi Jews article. Please be aware that the number you added for the population in Israel is not in the source, and is therefore original research. Your reason for undoing my revert ("restoring sourced information") is therefore not valid, and I repeat: this is not in the source! you are warned to refrain from original research and edit waring. Especially since you admitted right away that you ignored BRD. Debresser (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I explained that it is in the source. The article states country of origin.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 20:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

How is that not original research? And how do you decide which countries to include? Debresser (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Middle East and North Africa?...--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I would agree, but again, isn't that the definition of original research? And did you notice that the stats don't deal "mixed" marriages? In short, there are too many problems involved in using this source. Debresser (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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