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War of 1812 Mediation

Thanks very much for your help with the request for the War of 1812 mediation. IMHO, while it's a detailed page, the issue is that the page is dominated by mostly US Misplaced Pages editors who have one particular view of the result of the War of 1812. If their view is challenged, it's very hard to change that aspect of the page. So I guess they would be unlikely to agree to a mediation, while their view prevails (and to be honest, the mediation would have been long, and some of them were involved in a previous one, so they understandably may not have had the time). The War of 1812 is a contentious issue, as the view of who won breaks down on national lines, and I personally think that a lot of national feeling is involved in opinions of whether Britain won the war or the United states won, or whether there was a draw. In any case, It's being looked at as a bias issue currently, which is probably the more appropriate place considering the mediation was never likely to get started. Anyways, good on you for your work on Misplaced Pages....your a brave editor taking on mediations! Deathlibrarian (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Oops.

I used the link to "Email this user". Guess I made another mistake. My apologies. Bubbecraft (talk) 01:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the email, but I'm afraid that like Murph9000 and Robert McClenon at the Teahouse, I'm afraid that your question is too general and open-ended for me to answer. I defer to Murph's and Robert's comments at the Teahouse. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 03:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

User:TransporterMan and User:Murph9000 have been kinder about this question than I have been, and, on looking into what it really was, unfortunately, I do not regret my deeply cynical comment. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:19, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback and found it very helpful. Thank you, also User:Robert McClenon. Your cynicism was appreciated and I apologize for my lack of understanding the WP world better. Bubbecraft (talk) 04:40, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Re:Please consider reactivation at MedCom

Boy, you must be desperate for help if you're asking me to come back.

I write that for a few reasons. First, it's been an awful long time since I was a member of the MedCom -- most of the currently active contributors hadn't even heard of Misplaced Pages when I quit. Second, I quit because I never felt I was a very effective mediator; it's just not something I was comfortable doing, nor was I that good with handling people. I figure you should have no trouble attracting people who can do a better job than I did.

But more important is the fact I just don't have the time. After work & family (& two daughters under 10 years of age) I have maybe an hour a night available to devote to Misplaced Pages, less on weekends, & I'd like to devote as much of that to improving content as possible. So I have to say no. But thanks for the message. -- llywrch (talk) 22:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I very much appreciate the reply and I certainly understand the RW demands on your time. If things free up, give us another try: I bet you're not nearly as bad as you think you are. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 02:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I also read your call for help and I appreciate the invitation. Wow, MedCom was a LONG time ago for me ! (2003 ?!?) I do not know if I was effective or not (not convinced I was)... but I remember this being a huge drainer of energy and time. Both being issues to me at the moment. So i really apology, but I will decline. Sorry. Anthere (talk)

As I said, above, thanks for the reply and I very much understand. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:24, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Back

After taking a long time away (and realizing that I was personalizing certain disputes) I'm back somewhat. Hasteur (talk) 14:48, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Excellent! Hope you'll pick up again as the DRN bot op. Fortunately, nothing went severely wrong while you were away so we didn't have to find a replacement. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Mediation comitee

In a meditation case is an outside person allowed to comment? On the article page itself they were but does that hold true for talk page? I was the DRN volunteer (actually i took over after the previous volunteer was busy), am I allowed to add comments that may be helpful for the case? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC) Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

You may become a party to the case, of course, since any Wikipedian may do that. But since you acted as a neutral party at DRN, it would probably be best if you did not participate in the mediation since to do so can call your neutrality at DRN into question, thus damaging your reputation. At most, you might make some clarifying comments at the very beginning of the mediation and say that you're not going to participate further afterwards, but the best course of action is to do nothing at all. Before doing even that much, I would make the offer on the mediation page and seek the consent of the mediator before saying anything substantive. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:49, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Expulsion of Cham Albanians page

• Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Expulsion of Cham Albanians#Start of mediation (I hope). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

DRN case titles

Hi TransporterMan, I gather that you are the current DRN coordinator.

While opening a recent case, I found the instructions on the form a little confusing. On the second frame, it has a box for entering what I think should be the title of the case but has instructions that say something else:

Please provide a link to the talk page section where discussion has occurred. Note: if a suitable discussion link is not provided, your DRN filing may be automatically closed.

I thought it was odd, but added a link with brackets and all, something like ]. The whole thing then became the case title. I thought I might have misread the instructions, but I notice that all other cases are also being created with the same kind of misunderstanding. Can the instructions be changed? I think it would be ideal for them to say:

Please provide the title of the page where the dispute has occurred.

Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 09:57, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion. I'll look into it, but I suspect that the problem is that we don't just want the page title but the section of the talk page where discussion has occurred. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 14:05, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Even if that were the case, what is meant by "link" is not clear. Is it expected to be a URL, or a wikilink? Do we need all those brackets? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Crisis at DRN?

Hello TransporterMan, it looks like the DRN board has come to a grinding halt with no volunteer activity for more than 48 hours. Looking through the edit history, I notice that there was a bit of a storm in another case. I hope it is being sorted out? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:06, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

It appears to have picked back up since your posting, but I've also just resigned as coordinator. See Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Coordinator_resignation. Robert McClenon is now the most active and experienced volunteer there and you should probably address any concerns to him. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

This just cropped up on my watchlist. Hope you're doing OK - feel free to drop me an email. Steven Crossin 23:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Cheerio

Hey bud. I took a look at DRN recently and made some suggestions - opened an RFC titling it "Time to close DRN?", asking if there were ways to improve DRN. I'll share my opinions a little more offline if you want to chat, but frankly, it's clear to me that my opinions or input at DRN is no longer welcome, and as that's really the only thing I've ever done at Misplaced Pages (MedCom is just not an option), I think that's a wrap for me on Misplaced Pages. I wish you all the best. Do keep in touch. You've been a good friend to me over the years. Steven Crossin 22:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 02:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016 - The formal mediation has failed

Dear TransporterMan, you are the chairperson in charge of Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Expulsion of Cham Albanians which tackles the DevilWearsBrioni's case, and I could like to discuss with you about the withdrawal or closure of the mediation.

As you may already know, the formal mediation was requested by user Robert McClenon with the intention of resolving any disputes between DevilWearsBrioni and the other editors, including me, on Expulsion of Cham Albanians. We hoped that the constant disruption and editorial misconduct by user DevilWearsBrioni could be resolved through formal mediations. However, in spite of mediator Anthony Appleyard's tireless efforts, the formal mediation has now failed and no tangible outcome has been reached at all, because of DevilWearsBrioni's filibustering, refusal to be reasoned and refusal to get the point, and insistence on his own false perception of Misplaced Pages's rules and policies.

And even after repeated calls by both mediator Anthony Appleyard and Robert McClenon, DevilWearsBrioni was defiant towards the mediator and couldn't stick to the point and kept derailing the discussion. The filibuster's behavior has led the mediator Anthony to bring the case to the attention of other administrators on the Administrator's Noticeboard, (and, some days later, to the Arbitration Enforcement after an AE report was filled against the filibuster by another participant in the mediation, the user Athenean).

As there is nothing else for me to do here, and since cases of disruptions can not be effectively tackled through formal mediations, I want to withdraw from the mediation on the grounds that it has failed, like how Robert McClenon and Anthony Appleyard themselves have acknowledged, as there is no use in trying to negotiate with DevilWearsBrioni anymore. Dear TransporterMan, you the chairperson in charge of the mediation. What do you plan to do with the mediation? Is it going to stay open forever or will it be closed? If it has to be closed, what procedures have to be followed? And if it is not going to be closed, then, what procedures do I have to follow to have my name withdrawn from it? Since this is my very first time in a formal mediation, I am not very sure how these things work, so please forgive me for my inexperience. -- SILENTRESIDENT 13:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)