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*'''Extremely Strong Keep''':I am a physicist with a strong background in maths. Many mathematicians have been influenced by religion.Ramanujan a devout Hindu. Ramanujan has clearly indicated that his faith helped his insight into the lemmas. The same is true for any number of mathematicians and physicists (Hausdorff by Judaism, Abdus Salaam by Islam). Read Weinberg's interviews and you will learn about Salaam. Weinberg himself is a fairly observant Jew and a supporter of Zionism and he says that his beliefs about God have affected how he looks at elementary particle-interaction processes.] 01:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC) :::'''Comment''':I am a physicist with a strong background in maths. Many mathematicians have been influenced by religion.Ramanujan a devout Hindu. Ramanujan has clearly indicated that his faith helped his insight into the lemmas. The same is true for any number of mathematicians and physicists (Hausdorff by Judaism, Abdus Salaam by Islam). Read Weinberg's interviews and you will learn about Salaam. Weinberg himself is a fairly observant Jew and a supporter of Zionism and he says that his beliefs about God have affected how he looks at elementary particle-interaction processes.] 01:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional shapeshifters

Category:Fictional shapeshifters into Category:Shapeshifting in fiction

Category:WWE Alumni

Category:WWE Alumni to Category:World Wrestling Entertainment alumni

Category:AWA alumni

Category:AWA alumni to Category:American Wrestling Association alumni

Category:ECW alumni

Category:ECW alumni to Category:Extreme Championship Wrestling alumni

Category:Miss Virginia Teen USA

Category:Miss Virginia Teen USA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Category:Miss Virginia USA

Category:Miss Virginia USA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Delete, Nominating this for deletion... category is for only a very small number of articles with little room for growth (only a small proportion of the winners will end up getting articles on WP). The role of this category is easily filled by the list of winners at Miss Virginia USA, and all are included in Category: Miss USA delegates which is the more suitable categorization. I've had a large role in editing these (and other related) articles and I do not believe this category is in any way necessary. -- PageantUpdatertalk | contribs | esperanza 21:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Misc. “Users” categories

Preparing to tackle the language and musical instrument categories, I cleaned out about 100 empty categories beginning with User or Users that replicated new Wikipedian ones, but these remained. The ones at the top I’m pretty confident about (though obviously if the food and drink categories go away, the drink ones here will too), but as it goes along I had to make up a few new names. Suggest alternatives.--Mike Selinker 21:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Cruisers of Austria-Hungary and Category:Cruisers of the Austro-Hungarian Navy

Category:Cruisers of Austria-Hungary (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Cruisers of the Austro-Hungarian Navy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Single ship in two identical categories. One of these categories should be removed. Pavel Vozenilek 20:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional ruins

Category:Fictional ruins (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Derry

Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Derry to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Londonderry


Category:Reggae by nationality

delete because there are only 2 entries, and likely this will not change.Spylab 17:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

Category:Jewish sportspeople

Delete, see Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_25#Category:Sportspeople_by_religion. -- ProveIt 14:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Confederations Cup

Category:Confederations Cup to Category:FIFA Confederations Cup

Wikipedians by diet

Commercial

Not included, may need to be moved if the others are deleted, or nominated for deletion seperately:

Strong Delete all. Quite simply, these categories are unencyclopedic, trivial and useless.

The longer rationale: Whilst I have no strong objection to people placing userboxes on their pages about these things (although I prefer the GUS), categorising users by whether or not they like strawberries or drink coffee adds nothing to the encyclopedia and makes us look amateurish. This is not MySpace folks, it's an enyclopedia.

In general, we don't categorise user pages. There are exceptions to this, such as WikiProject memberships, hobbies and recreational interests which might genuinely aid with bonding or the formation of WikiProjects, whether a user is an admin or not, and so on. Categorising a user based on whether they like their steak rare or burnt just isn't one of those exceptions.

This nomination covers the entire Category:Wikipedians by diet, with the exception of the vegetarian and cooking categories which I feel are not at the same level - cooking is a hobby/occupation, vegetanariasm is a serious lifestyle choice unlike Pepsi v Coke or McD vs Burger King. --kingboyk 12:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as per nom., but treat the Helal and Kosher ones in the same way as the Vegetarian ones. Fut.Perf. 13:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, Silly, but "mostly harmless"; people are using them. -- ProveIt 13:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't consider these less important than one's political beliefs, musical preferences, or video game habits. It seems harmless and rather likable to me.--Mike Selinker 13:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete the categories that are not excluded - I'm usually a big supporter of user categories, but I agree with kingboyk's reasoning on this. An editor's food preferences are not going to help with writing any articles. I do think it is good to keep the ones that were excluded since they refer to more general lifestyle choices that reflect knowledge about a variety of topics, and they don't tend to lend themselves to overcategorization like the individual food categories. However, I strongly agree with keeping Category:Wikipedians who keep Halal and Category:Wikipedians who keep kosher since those are also major lifestyle choices that can affect more articles than individual foods. I'm okay with keeping Category:Wikipedians by diet as the main category for the few categories that we are keeping (unless someone has a better suggestion for where to put them), but all of the individual food categories can go. You can see more of my reasoning behind this at WP:USERCAT. --Cswrye 14:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Sugarpine 15:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete The category namespace is for articles, not user trivia. Martin 16:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep qwm 17:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep the commercial ones (Pepsi, McDonald's, etc), Delete the rest - While my first inclination is to "Keep" all, since these are similar to other interests/preferences that help wikipedians know preference/interest/bias which I feel can generally be helpful in developing the encyclopedia, I don't think mundane food preference in this case is notable enough. Whether I eat apples or not isn't likely to make as much difference in editing the article on apples. (And I would not oppose the deletion of the associated userboxes, for the same reasons.) Keep the commercial ones however, for exactly the reverse of the reasoning. (That they are useful and helpful.) - jc37 18:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, This is a vanity category and serves no encyclopedic purpose. OscarTheCat 21:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Rama's arrow 21:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • At least move the maintenance of Wikipedian categories etc away from the maintenance of encyclopedic matter. Regards, David Kernow 01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all (except the excluded ones). They're pretty harmless, but these characteristics are just too trivial to deserve categories. And there is no limit to the number. Users will continue to create them for every food that exists on this planet. They serve absolutely no use. --musicpvm 02:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, useless. Punkmorten 09:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • By the way, if this nomination passes and some of the big ones are kept (vegetarian, halal, kosher), I would recommend category:Wikipedians by diet become category:Wikipedians by dietary philosophy, and then anything that makes sense as a lifestyle choice would make sense under that. If the coffee drinkers want to start a movement called "coffeeterians" or something, great. But otherwise, if it's not a philosophy, it wouldn't go in there.--Mike Selinker 14:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep All They add personality to editors, it's easier to talk to users/admins/etc then under less ridged conditions for some users. Adds comfort level.Hackajar 15:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, if all these are not deleted, the first two "do not eat" categories should at least be deleted. It is ridiculously trivial for users to categorize themselves by what they do NOT eat. --musicpvm 16:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep All, and for what it's worth the nomination's categorization as important or unimportant is completely random and meaningless. To me, vegetarianism or keeping halal is trivial compared to, say, beer -- and there's quite a large Wikiproject associated with beer, so it should still fit into the relevant exceptions or whatever and stay. Silly nom, but anyway: keep all. --Daniel11 17:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Erm, no. If there's already a WikiProject Beer then the category you're looking for is Category:WikiProject Beer participants. That's helpful to the Misplaced Pages infrastructure. The categories I've nominated are not and the only silly thing round here is these categories, thank you very much. --kingboyk 17:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I disagree. Clearly people with a common interest like homebrewing or beer consumption, which are pursued as seriously as homosexuality or any of the other things that are "legitimate," are conducive to users communicating and working together on Misplaced Pages topics -- in addition to the Beer Project, which is also useful as a concrete piece of infrastructure for organizing Misplaced Pages editing, but is not the only useful kind of infrastructure. IMHO. --Daniel11 18:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Or, for instance, Category:Wikipedians who listen to The KLF ;) --Daniel11 18:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Lol, good shot! Affinity to a band is rather more lifechanging than liking strawberries though isn't it?! :) Let me just state now, though, in case these categories do get deleted - my beverages of choice are coffee and real ale (but not at the same time). --kingboyk 22:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, at least you've got good taste in beverages. ;) I agree with your example, but I think to make a general rule of it won't work as it depends so strongly on particular cases. E.g., the Beatles probably had a deeper effect on many people than strawberries, but beer seems a lot more meaningful than the Cheeky Girls. Not that there's anything wrong with strawberries or Cheeky Girls. Anyway, got to run, but I think at least some of those categories above are useful, at the very least the beer one! --Daniel11 22:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I'm beginning to think that this will have a better chance of passing, if relisted with the the beverages, and commercial brands withdrawn (though they could be nominated later I presume). What do you think? - jc37 22:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep -- Although there is possibly limited potential for these categories, I feel that they at least create a better sense of community. Plus, I love my "This user drinks beer" Userbox. If developed properly the majority of the above categories could very well be instrumental or otherwise useful. Somnabot 18:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hindu mathematicians

Category:Hindu mathematicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

It's fine for you to feel this way, but it doesn't reflect historical reality. The historical reality is that many people did link their math to religion. Read the article on Imiaslavie and Mathematics. Historical reality is that, for example, Islamic prohibitions on icons is believed to have encouraged an interest in geometry. Historical reality on Christians and math is dealt with at McTutor..--T. Anthony 06:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
You havent made your case. Personal faith can have an impact on, for instance, philosophical thought, but not on mathematical thought. If it is the case that an interest in geometry is stimulated by the prohibition of idolatry, then that is relevant at the level of society and not the individual. Note that the same editor above gives another reason above. Hornplease 15:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The individual exists in a society, whether they are a mathematician or a street sweeper. The math is not created or proved by a religion, but the reason to look at certain areas of math in the first place can be motivated by religious preference or interest. That matters here as this is a category of mathematicians, not mathematics. Mathematicians are humans and therefore their areas of study can be influenced by non-mathematical aspects. Otherwise there would be no need for Category:Mathematicians by nationality or Category:Women mathematicians. A Category:Women math or Category:French math would be absurd, but Category:French mathematicians is not. Nationality grouping is so accepted there's even a Category:Basque mathematicians, which is over a year old, and it only has one person in it.--T. Anthony 17:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
By the by my reason did not change. I said above that Hindus were important to the history of mathematics. The statements here are simply an extension of that. It's more about the why these people being Hindu is also an important part of the history and their role in mathematics.--T. Anthony 16:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I am no expert on Hinduism or mathematics but religion does seem to have had an influence on mathematics (various google hits - this for example). Plus there must be a good reason for the Hindu-Arabic numeral system to be named so? Mind you, its different from Indian numerals. -- Lost 15:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Zora and the arguments rehearsed here and for other cats on this page. Also, someone please bring Jewish mathematicians and Muslim mathematicians to CfD. Hornplease 15:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There is little logic in the above argument. Hornplease has voted delete on every cat with the word "Hindu" in it. Bakaman Bakatalk 00:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes I also feel that there is an agenda at work here.Hkelkar 01:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment:I am a physicist with a strong background in maths. Many mathematicians have been influenced by religion.Ramanujan a devout Hindu. Ramanujan has clearly indicated that his faith helped his insight into the lemmas. The same is true for any number of mathematicians and physicists (Hausdorff by Judaism, Abdus Salaam by Islam). Read Weinberg's interviews and you will learn about Salaam. Weinberg himself is a fairly observant Jew and a supporter of Zionism and he says that his beliefs about God have affected how he looks at elementary particle-interaction processes.Hkelkar 01:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hindu athletes

Category:Hindu athletes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Delete. As Zora pointed out below, Bakasuprman has created many categories that categorise people based on their religion, even when their profession has nothing to do with it. Such categories are unwarrented, and might be politically motivated too. thunderboltz 11:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I think they are. So are the Muslim lists. They're boast lists, of no particular encyclopedic use. Zora 00:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
That sounds fine. Remember though lists are generally held to a higher standard as they're deletion targets. You'll need to source the names and show that they meet the rules of Misplaced Pages:Lists (stand-alone lists). The coverage of India/Hinduism topics is rather meagre at WP considering how important/numerous they are in the world, so you're heart might be in the right place here.--T. Anthony 14:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Didn't Carlos Mencia do that already? :-) OscarTheCat 23:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hellenic languages and dialects

Category:Hellenic languages and dialects to Category:Varieties of Greek

Comment: actually, as I understand it, it is in fact intended to cover modern as well as historical varieties, and articles for the historical stages of the language too. We don't have many articles on modern dialects yet (except Misthiotica, Griko, Tsakonian and a few others), but those and any yet to be written should go here. I don't think it'll ever get crowded enough that we'd have to subcategorize for ancient and modern varieties. Fut.Perf. 12:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. I am not sure whether it is good to bring modern and ancient Greek (or other languages) so much close. Pavel Vozenilek 21:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's really necessary, but if anybody wants to do that, I'd have no objections to creating two subcategories: Category:Varieties of Ancient Greek and Category:Varieties of Modern Greek. Fut.Perf. 07:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Having both these categories is more straightforward--Michkalas 10:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Muslim actors

Category:Muslim actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • delete this and all similar categories. This is a largely irrelevant intersection. Casper Claiborne 11:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I agree with the above and would support a move to delete every single "Actors by religion" category. My opinion is that categorizing people by religion is often more trouble than it's worth, except in cases where it can be shown to be relevent, such as for clergy, theologians, or politicians. However, I will continue to vote against any attempt to single out any particular religion for special treatment. -- ProveIt 19:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hindu actors

Category:Hindu actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Delete, One editor, Bakasuprman, has created two new categories, Hindu actors and Muslim actors, and is busily applying them to various Bollywood actors -- and their families! (Shahrukh Khan's wife Gauri Khan is not an actor.) If you know anything about Indian politics, you know that this categorization is mischievous and politically inflammatory. It might make sense to note an actor's religion if that were part of his/her public persona. Mel Gibson, noted Roman Catholic, sure. But to apply this sort of thinking to all actors, even ones that never speak about their religion in public, is just plain wrong. Zora 07:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
This speaks to application rather than whether it should exist or not. If the category is added inappropriately you remove. Category:Christian actors survives. My effort to rename Category:Mormon actors to Category:Actors associated with LDS cinema even failed, see Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 22. Anyway that Hindus are not as well represented here should not cause an uneven standard.--T. Anthony 15:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I can understand tagging someone with a Hindu category if that person has put him or herself forward as a proponent or teacher of Hinduism. Tagging anyone who might possibly describe him or herself as Hindu on a census form with the category is just pointless. Setting up sub-categories for Hindu mathematicians or actors, when the religion has NOTHING to do with their occupation and when they haven't made any sort of public fuss about their religion, is singularly pointless. Just how well do you guys think it would work to busily categorize all Hollywood actors by religion? Or anyone notable enough to rate a Misplaced Pages article?
As for the political issues involved here -- just about all of the Indian editors' names I see here as clamoring to keep the categories are of editors who have been involved in disputes over Hindutva, an Indian communalist ideology that believes that India should be Hindu, and sees Muslims and Christians as representing dangerous outside forces. These editors certainly haven't been working on the Indian cinema articles. In fact, Bakasuprman, the editor who invented these categories, is on record as dismissing Bollywood as popular tripe unworthy of his attention (and me as showing low tastes by watching it). Trying to divide up Bollywood on a communal basis is particularly pernicious because cinema is one of the most integrated sectors of Indian society. Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs (or people who might be deemed such, by virtue of descent, even if they show no interest in religion) work together and intermarry. "Hindu" actors play Muslims in films and vice-versa. While there are certainly Hindu religious films ("mythologicals"), they are not currently the mainstream of Indian cinema, and they are not necessarily made by Hindu evangelists. They're a commercial proposition.
Bakasuprman seems to be concerned to sort out the sheep from the goats, the Hindus from the Muslims. I'm reminded of a story about a Northern Irish man who was asked if he were Catholic or Protestant. "Neither," he said, "I'm an atheist." Momentary silence and then the question, "But are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?" In Northern Ireland, you can (or could) be killed for being the wrong religion in the wrong place. That is unfortunately still true in India. See 2002 Gujarat violence. Or watch Mr. and Mrs. Iyer.
Frankly, all the tagging and listing of people on Misplaced Pages seems to me to be utterly pernicious. It's done by editors for self-serving reasons and it's not particularly useful for the encyclopedia users. It seems either to be boasting (I'm Arab and these cool people are Arabs and therefore I'm cool) or stigmatizing (watch out for those actors, they're Muslims, they're probably subsidizing terrorism). Hence the many utterly STUPID fights over what nationality gets to claim a famous historical personage for boasting rights. I know that this is a primate preoccupation (in the troupe or out? friend or enemy) and a natural human tendency, but dang it, I'd like WP to rise above that, not wallow in it. Zora 00:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Aha, a guideline, from the biographies of living persons policy:
"Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual preference should not be used unless two criteria are met:
  • The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or preference in question
  • The subject's beliefs or sexual preferences are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life
I don't think that any of the people who were tagged with the categories deserved to be so tagged. Furthermore, I don't see any use for the categories "Muslim actor" or "Hindu actor" at all; a simple "Muslim" "Hindu" "Jain" "Parsee" tag ought to be enough for those people who are in fact notable for their religious views.
I suspect that the guidelines, if followed, would also remove most of the names from the lists of Jews and Muslims that already exist. Zora 01:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Again this speaks to application. If you want to know the truth I'd prefer Category:Christian actors be Category:Actors in Christian films, etc. However I put the Mormon version of that to a vote and it didn't fly. You seem to see tagging as pernicious, but I think that's just your perspective. I see the blatant ignoring of the religion of historical figures at Misplaced Pages, even when it was vital to them, as the negative. In any case what you said just indicates that actors only be here if they identify as Hindu and being Hindu is important to their public lives. I couldn't agree more with that. If actors are placed here who fail to fit those two standards remove them. Also most of us are not in Gujarat. I've worked very little or not at all on articles concerning Hindutva. In fact I think adding a few of those people to Category:Critics of Islam is about all I've done relating to that in the last 6 months. There's no need to "scare" us into trying to pretend peoples religions don't exist because you've been in some bad discussions.--T. Anthony 03:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I added a disclaimer. Also I added Aishwarya Rai as her article states "she has described herself as having 'immense faith in its gods' and when at home she attends the Siddhivinayak Mandir, devoted to Lord Ganesh.." Is this closer to acceptable?--T. Anthony 04:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
No, because whatever she may do in her private life, Hinduism has nothing to do with her movie career. She's famous for her beauty, not her piety. Zora 04:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah well. As this is going to end up as no concensus, or just keep, I was hoping a compromise with you was possible. Instead you're just going to get a Category with no holds barred. At least I tried to put disclaimers and limitations. I was considering removing most existing names at some point and replacing them with actors who worked on Hindu religious epics, but there's probably no point in that now.--T. Anthony 06:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
A factual response to Zora's hate attack on Bakasuprman. Wow what a sick mind. Its called fairness, and the reason I created Muslim actors along with Hindu actors was in the spirit of fairness, so that all religions would be brought down if one was brought down. Of course using Hindutva and Northern Ireland are merely tools used by to instigate some sort of emotional Blackmail.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Dont use words like "hate attack" without remarks supporting its applicability. I note that the word 'factual' is up there as well, but without many facts disagreeing with Zora. Hornplease
I will use whatever words I please. Zora tried to say I was "perpetrating massacre" and suggesting that I was turning WikiPedia into WikiGodhra or WikiNorthernIreland. Since you voted delete on anything with the word Hindu in it, I feel obliged to confront the discrimination and misrepresentation of my actions. I know myself better than Zora knows me, so me writing my actions is the fact in factual.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Believe the second phrase better expresses my pov in this regardTerryJ-Ho
If you check Category:Christian actors and compare it to List of Christians in entertainment and media you'll find these categories have traditionally been "treaded cautiously." At the moment this is maybe not occurring, but I think with proper monitoring it can be limited to actors whose self-acknowledged Hindu status is important to their public life.--T. Anthony 04:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
First of all, precedents are never a sufficient argument. Secondly, I am certain that based on the arguments here, someone will bring those cats to CfD as well. Hornplease 15:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I stick by my keep vote, but Jewish people are an ethnicity as well as a religion. Therefore it's not the same. Category:Chinese American actors will likely be similarly safe as there's less discomfort here on ethnicity being relevant to projects or work an actor does.--T. Anthony 15:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think Listify is the best way, without exaggerating their religious aspects for all these categories, all Muslim and other categories should go tooTerryJ-Ho 17:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Who told you that hinduism is just a religion and not an ethnicity. Moreover, all i am saying is that delete all these categories, or keep all of them. Why are you singling out Hinduism.nids(♂) 19:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I believe this is a largely irrelevant intersection, and would support a move to delete every single "Actors by religion" category. My opinion is that categorizing people by religion is often more trouble than it's worth, except in cases where it can be shown to be relevent, such as for clergy, theologians, or politicians. However, I will continue to vote against any attempt to single out any particular religion for special treatment. -- ProveIt 19:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Military operations of Israel

Category:Military operations of Israel contains only one subtopic and nothing links there. -- Kendrick7 05:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

That might not be a Military but Secret Service operation TerryJ-Ho 00:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Its under cat Category:Military operations of Israel. Bakaman Bakatalk 00:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, special forces operations are still military. Kirill Lokshin 01:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:NCAA DI Men's Lacrosse Championship Venues

Category:NCAA DI Men's Lacrosse Championship Venues to Category:NCAA Men's Division I Lacrosse Championship venues

Rename. First, "DI" is not transparent to most people in the US who don't follow college sports, much less non-Americans. Second, the unofficial standard for most college championships, when split by sex and division, is "NCAA Sex Division Sport Championship" (this is followed by the basketball tournament articles). Finally, "Venues" should be in lower case. — Dale Arnett 03:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Nabisco brands

Category:Nabisco brands into Category:Kraft brands

Category:Israel Defense Forces

Category:Israel Defense Forces to Category:Military of Israel

Umbrella: Homosexual Wikipedians

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Oppose/Keep. per WP:SNOW and I Know when to step down. DemosDemon 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge the listed categories into Category:Homosexual Wikipedians per Political Correctness and gender neutrality. DemosDemon 01:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this page.

Political scandals subcategories

Category:Political scandals

Following this individual renaming, a consensus over renaming all the " political scandals" categories would be good:

( A ) {Country demonym} political scandalsPolitical scandals of {Country}
( B ) {Country demonym} political scandalsPolitical scandals in {Country}

Category:Codename: Kids Next Door

Category:Codename: Kids Next Door (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Category:Music; museums

Merge into Category:Music museums. -- ProveIt 00:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Spanish basketball leagues

The standard for Misplaced Pages is to spell out all initialisms in category names. However, I believe that these should remain as exceptions because these are Spanish abbreviations which would be less understandable for most English speakers if they were spelled out. That having been said, I believe that all of these categories should have "League" appended to them, if for no other reason to make it a little more clear that the categories deal with sports leagues. I wouldn't object if the consensus determines that "ACB basketball league" is a better destination. — Dale Arnett 00:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)