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E-mail address redacted

One of the participants in the Rainbow Gathering case was named by e-mail address because he/she is not a registered Misplaced Pages user. Including an active non-Wiki e-mail address on a majorly trafficked Misplaced Pages page can effectively sentence the addressee to a lifetime of spam, so I have redacted a portion of the e-mail address, to which I hope no one will object. The full address is of course still available if needed by ArbCom through the page history. By taking this ministerial step I am not becoming a party to the case or expressing any other interest in it. Newyorkbrad 16:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Normal antispam measures are effective against that kind of thing. I'd rather email addresses were not altered on Misplaced Pages. --Tony Sidaway 13:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleting off-wiki e-mail addresses on high-traffic pages appears to me to be common practice. It must happen a dozen times a day at WP:HD, for example. But based on your input I won't do it again. Newyorkbrad 14:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The hidden template has been altered or removed.

I would like to make a request but there is no more request template. — AKADriver ☎ 14:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Give me a minute. Thatcher131 (talk) 14:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Thatcher131 (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Splitting this page to subpages

Has there already been a discussion whether this page should be formated the way WP:RfA is? That is, every case on its own subpage, and then subpages included into this page. So an interested user can watch only the case (s)he is interested in. --Dijxtra 11:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Once a case is accepted it is moved to a subpage and several additional subpages established (/Evidence, /Workshop, and /Proposed decision). I believe there is a deliberate decision not to make subpages for cases until they are accepted, as over half of all applications are declined. Thatcher131 (talk) 11:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the insight. --Dijxtra 11:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

We sometimes have had to offload case applications to subpages; some applicants are very prolix and a 64kb application is not unknown. This isn't that common, though. --Tony Sidaway 13:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Question on the recusal

Is it just me who is uncomfortable with the appropriatness and ethicality of recusing oneself from the case and at the same make suggestions to the non-recused.

Aren't the recused expected to completely remove themselves from the case including not giving their advices on how the case should be handled not discussing it with the non-recused at the mailing list and other private means? That there exists the reasons for a recusal makes such expectaion natural. --Irpen 20:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators recuse because they have an opinion. If someone has an opinion, he's allowed to express it. Recusing takes an arbitrator out of the decision-making process; it doesn't remove his brain and it isn't a gag. --Tony Sidaway 20:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not talking about the recused arbitrator's merely expressing his opinion. I am talking about his participation in the case as an arbitrator, that is saying anything more than "recuse" in the field reserved for the arbitrators and taking part in discussions reserved for the arbitrators only, such as mailing lists and other communications. --Irpen 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

That's as may be, but it still seems VERY inappropriate for someone to attempt to influence the matter from which they have recused themselves. It seems awfully like wanting to "have it both ways" - to obey the letter of the law while violating its spirit. --SpinyNorman 20:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have many disagreements, some of which I've expressed and some of which I haven't, with how the ArbCom does things, but it would never occur to me to criticize this (which is a fairly common practice). Anyone can urge the Arbcom to accept or reject a case, including a recused arbitrator. I don't see that it matters where they do it; everyone will still know the person is a member of the ArbCom. Leave the trees (this kind of stuff) alone and keep an eye on the forest (e.g. how the Ghirlandajo and New Anti-Semitism cases actually turn out). PurplePlatypus 21:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree with PurplePlatypus. The sole action in the event of feeling you can't judge a case fairly need be to abstain from actual votes, nothing more. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I am also recused from the case (as a clerk) and I also urge them to accept it. Why is this a problem? It's the whole point of recusing that one should feel able to express an opinion without unduly influencing the decision. --Tony Sidaway 02:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)