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Re. listing of German singers

Those are good suggestions. On my side I am more than happy to endorse them. - Kleinzach 20:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually I don't think your ideas got through to RCS . . . Perhaps they would be worth repeating on the project Talk Page? - Kleinzach 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Well done! All your fine writing and meticulous documentation for Concerto delle donne paid off, and deservedly so. Let's get that puppy on the front page, and into WP:0.5 and WP:1.0. Peirigill 23:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Gregorian Chant rv. non-notable tid-bit

Why was this reversed? I think it would be cool to see a list of all places that Gregorian Chant is currently practiced. Fair enough that the tidbit may belong in a different location, but I think it is irresponsible to just erase it. If you are going to change it, find a different place for it, but don't erase it. Start a list in an appropriate place or something. I'm not a Gregorian Chant expert, I'm just trying to contribute what I know in hopes that an expert can find a relevant place for it.

Frankly, I don't think a list of places where Gregorian chant is practised is either interesting or important. I don't think that particular tid-bit belongs in the article, so I'm not about to try to find an appropriate place for it or create a list simply in order to hold that particular tid-bit. I understand that you want to contribute, but in my view this particular piece of information is not particularly relevant. Please sign your comments using four tildes (~). Mak (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Many thanks for helping fend off the vandals while Gregorian chant was on the main page. I wasn't prepared for the level of vandalism. It's heartening to know how efficient and diligent you WP admins and editors are to revert it! (This is something of a form letter I'm sending to everyone who helped revert, but for you, I also have to add: thanks for the pep talk! I really appreciated it.) Peirigill 07:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Gregorian chant lede dispute

User:SCCC and I are having a fundamental disagreement over the lede to the Gregorian chant article. If you have a few minutes, could you please look over our discussion at Talk:Gregorian_chant#Alteration_of_lede and give your input? Thanks! Peirigill 21:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm back!

Let's see; the Fairy-Queen gets GA (Yes!), Trobairitz ditto (bravo), and concerto delle donne is now a featured article!! Let the Hallelujah Chorus commence!! Very well done! Was there anything else particularly important that I missed? Best, Moreschi 19:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh, we messaged each other at the exact same time. Well done indeed. The only other event is that List of important operas is at AfD. AfD is so completely broken. Mak (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It's hard to believe. Oh well, the list will survive, and all this bureaucracy gets me down anyway. Editing the articles is where the buzz is. Bravo again on the singing ladies (oh, and I liked the dramatic version also...). I thought your first "response" was a bit quick, but great minds think alike. Cheers, Moreschi 19:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Viol Composers

I'm not sure how to go about adding more viol composers. A great big list of 'em in the middle would really break up the cohesiveness of the article. Any suggestions besides an external link? DeineMutter 03:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it would be nice to have a comprehensive discussion of the repertoire for the viol, and composers would naturally come up in that discussion, so I think that would be the best way to include them. Mak (talk) 03:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I've put up what I edited into the viol article in my sandbox. Tell me what you think of it. The source is the same one I put on the discussion page of viol. DeineMutter 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Joe Siegler

I have replied to the comment you left on my talk page. TerminX 03:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Please use headings

Re Makemi's QUALIFICATIONS ----A CRITIQUE SORRY BUT THERE IS NO PLACE TO WRITE THIS PERSON DIRECTLY SO I AM FORCED TO SAY THIS HERE. OTHERWISE I WOULD WRITE THIS PERSON PERSONALLY AND PRIVATELY

THE PURPOSE OF WORDS IS TO COMMUNICATE CLEARLY NOT TO CONFUSE.

THE PURPOSE OF A COLLEGE EDUCATION IS TO TEACH ONE TO THINK CRITICALLY. OBVIUOUSLY MAKEMI IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO THOSE WHO AWARDED A BACHELORS DEGREE TO HIM OR HER IN THIS DEPARTMENT. THIS PERSON WISHES TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD IGNORANCE ABOUT MUSIC WHICH AT TIMES SEEMS LIFTED RIGHT OUT OF AN OLD GROVES AND HAS ALLOWED IF THEY REALLY HAVE ONE THEIR BACHELORS DEGREE TO GO TO THIER HEAD MAKING THEM THINK THAT THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEY ARE. THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THIS PERSON WHO CALLS THEMSELVES MAKEMI AND CERTAINLY NOT THE MUSICAL WORLD.

ALTHOUGH THIS PERSON CLAIMS ENGLISH IS THEIR NATIVE TOUNGUE THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT WRITE LIKE IT AND LEAVE THIS WRITER TO THINK THAT THEY ARE PERHAPS TRYING TO FOOL EVERYONE INTO THINKING THAT THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE. THEIR FRENCH IS HORRIBLE LET ALONE OTHER SUCH LANGUAGES. MAKEMI'S LATIN IS EVEN WORSE.

ITEM: MAKEMI INSISTS ON INAPPROPRIATELY USING THE TERM WORD 'RECORDER' FOR THE BLOCKFLUTE OR FIPPLE FLUTE. THIS IS VERY BAD ENGLISH AND ALSO IS VERY VAGUE. A RECORDER IS (1)AN A LEGAL PERSON WHO REPORTS COURT EVENTS AND KEEPS COURT AND LEGAL RECORDS

(2) A SCIENTIFIC DEVICE EITHER MANUAL OR ELECTRONIC.

(3) A DEVICE FOR RECORDING SOUNDS AND USED SOMETIMES IN ORCHESTRAS TO PRESENT SOUNDS THAT COULD NOT BE PRESENT OTHERWISE---THERE IS A CONCERTO FOR RECORDER (NO THAT IS NOT THE BLOCKFLUTE) AND ORCHESTRA AMONG OTHER SUCH WORKS .

It is NOT a Woodwind instrument and in a music score does not go into the Flute section but in the miscellaneous section of a score near the percussion.

THE BLOCKFLUTE REMEMBERS NOTHING, PLAYS NOTHING ON ITS OWN, WRITES DOWN NOTHING TO CREATE A PERMANENT RECORD AND CERTAINLY DOES NOT PRACTICE ANYTHING--IF IT DID ---THE NAME WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.  THE WORD RECORDER COMES FROM THE LATIN VERB  'RECORDARE'  WHICH MEANS TO PRACTICE, TO REMEMBER,TO WRITE DOWN SOMETHING FOR POSTERITY.  THUS THE WORD RECORDER IS AN INAPPROPRIATE   NAME AND WORD FOR THE BLOCKFLUTE OR FIPPLE FLUTE.

YET MAKEMI SEEMS TO THINK THAT HE OR SHE CAN WRITE ENGLISH. NO THIS PERSON DOES NOT NOR WRITE CLEAR ENGLISH BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO GROUNDED IN SLANG. THIS PERSON NEEDS TO GO BACK AND LEARN PROPER ENGLISH AND PROPER WRITING ENGLISH TECHNIQUE. THEY ALSO NEED TO LEARN LATIN AND BE ABLE TO USE IT, FRENCH, GERMAN, AND ITALIAN AT MINIMUM. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE MAKEMI GOT HIS OR HER DEGREE---BUT IT MUST BE FROM A FAKE UNIVERSITY OR SCHOOL.

STOP PRETENDING WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW AND STOP LIFTING THE WORKS OF OTHER PEOPLE FROM COPYRIGHTED WORKS SUCH AS GROVES. I COMPARED WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN RE: "RECORDER' (sic)AND IT IS ALMOST THE SAME AS OLDER EDITIONS OF GROVES. TURNIT IN CAN VERIFY THIS ALSO.

W.J. ROWLAND,Phd (English),D.Mus.,M.Ed,B.Sc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ludwigvan beethoven (talk • contribs)

First, a couple procedural things: Please post at the bottom of talk pages, use a heading, and sign your comments using four tildes.

As for my qualifications, I've simply baldly stated, I have a bachelor of music, neither more nor less. The only reason I've included languages I've studied, is for the benefit of interlanguage Misplaced Pages cooperation. It is standard here to talk about content, rather than a person's personal attributes, this policy is WP:CIVIL. As for the Recorder article as a whole, I did not in fact write almost any of it, I've just reverted some vandalism, and tried to clarify one or two minor points. If you have serious concerns about copyright violation or plagiarism, I encourage you to pursue it at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems. Now, as for "blockflute" versus "recorder" - it is policy to use the most common English names as the title to articles - the relevant policy is Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names). "Recorder" is what the vast majority of English speakers call this instrument, and Misplaced Pages is not the place for that to be changed. Please see Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. Your attempts to change the name of a common instrument amount to a violation of the neutral point of view policy. And once again, I'd appreciate it if you address the matter at hand, and not resort to ad hominem attacks. Mak (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and lastly PLEASE DON'T SHOUT. IT'S VERY RUDE. Mak (talk) 04:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about lyrics

Just started posting stuff, didn't think of lyrics as being copyrighted but I suppose they are. It's such a shame because there are so many great theme songs out there. Anyway, won't happen again. Out of curiosity, is it possible to ask the creator for permission to use a theme song? I was looking at the copyright rules on wikipedia but did not see anything of this nature. Jonk614 07:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Jon

Prester John

Thank you for the welcome mate. I will aspire to your standards.

FYI on the image uploader who claims ownership on his photos

User:Clakre50 is, in all likelyhood, a new username for blocked user User:Ethan C. I have most(or all) of the pages the user tends to frequent in my VandalProof watchlist. I am very familiar with his particular modus operandi. He tends to be frightened off quite quickly.(in fact he has not be seen too much at all this month) But I can guarantee he will be back soon. His usernames are, for the most part, variations on the name "Ethan Clarke". Just thought you'd like a heads up on him. Cheers and take care! Anger22 02:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I think I actually ran into another sock of his at practically the same time. Mak (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I am the first one to fess up when I've given out false or misleading info. Fvgvb is as far from Ethan Clarke as you can get. Nice catch on that one. Queen and KISS are frequent haunts. The Beatles(and the Beatle member articles), Elton John and Janis Joplin are also regular hits. If enough people know about him(and many do), perhaps he will get bored. Cheers and take care! Anger22 01:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Browns

zOMG, that is hilarious... I'm listening to it right now. Maybe we need an article on the Football Madrigal School. (Oh-oh, that redlink will tempt an evildoer somewhere.) (At least I hope it will light up red and not blue.) I love the contrapuntal part on "go to hell."

Grad schools ... ah, yes, big topic. What part of the country do you want to be in, or do you want to go overseas?  ;-) Antandrus (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, the weather's nice here, and you can drive twenty minutes and be up in the mountains to go hiking ... :-) Yeah, there's some good schools, depending on what precisely you'd like to study. I used to have a negative opinion of Susan McClary, but don't any more after reading her book on Italian madrigals (she's at UCLA); of course there's the place I went; USC probably still has a good department; there's a good department right here where I live (UCSB); there's others... Antandrus (talk) 20:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Minor rant

You know, if this were one of those public beatings for some alleged admin abuse, with torches and pitchforks provided, on AN/I, rather than a cry for help on over 800 vandalisms, we'd have 200 people helping rather than just three or four. Oh well. Thanks for your help though!! Antandrus (talk) 05:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But it's so much fun! Yay! |:rev. back. del. back. del. back. back. :| Do you like how I used music syntax? Mak (talk) 05:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah!!! lol. I needed a laugh. This is about as much fun as the time my washing machine flooded my house. But I exaggerate.... And the grand irony of doing all this work on that kind of music. It's almost cosmically funny.  :-/ Antandrus (talk) 05:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Purity Control

Hi Mak! Thanks for your welcome to Misplaced Pages. The name is actually taken from an X-Files episode. Although I would describe my own views as conservative, I understand the NPOV rule. Reviewing my edits, I have not seen any instance where I removed an alternative opinion (even if I disagreed with it), unless it was phrased poorly or redundantly. For the most part, I'm just ensuring that some of the descriptions do not provide a one-sided liberal bias, as some of the articles in question did. If I cross the line on any particular edit, I'd welcome any advice on how to phrase it in a more NPOV fashion. Thanks again for the welcome! Purity Control 22:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ack

This one came back but fortunately I was watching. He uploads a bad image, reverts it, and then sits back for a moment to re-revert to the bad ones all at once. Bleah.

Anyway, I started reading concerto delle donne; nice work. There's a bunch of stuff in the stack of books I just got from the library, but it looks like your sources are more recent. Antandrus (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

My favorite quote from Heseltine so far: . I love that 1920s writing style.

This question might be harder to answer. Do you know what exactly Gesualdo may have written for the concerto delle donne in Ferrara between 1594 and 1597, and what may have been lost? Watkins thinks there was some concertato and/or monodic music that was lost, but one of my recordings of the fourth book of madrigals sure does have that Luzzaschi-esque edge to it, and some are frankly monodic ... that might be what the crazy composer was writing about in his 1594 letter. I've never seen the original facsimile of the publication. Antandrus (talk) 03:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, I'm re-reading Newcomb's article on Gesualdo's Ferrara years - from one bit it seems like most of the compositions in the third book of madrigals were written before he visited Ferrara, and that Gesualdo visited Ferrara in part to get his works published by Baldini, but then later he suggests that some madrigals, a motet, and aria were written with the intention of having them in the third book of madrigals. Newcomb suggests that the aria may have been specifically "All'ombra degl'allori" and "Come vivi cor mio" (although these are both published in Pomponio Nenna's book). I'll forward you the pdf of the article, it's pretty interesting, although it deals a bit more with the people who were trying to deal with Gesualdo rather than about the man himself, but it has some pretty funny quotes. I think we can say very confidently, although I don't have a specific quotable source (i.e. a line of text that says it), that Gesualdo's fourth book of madrigals was very heavily influenced by Luzzaschi, and thus by the concerto delle donne. Mak (talk) 04:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, thanks for the mail!! this will keep me busy for a while. It's actually about the 1594 correspondence! (drool, drool) I can't believe how geeky this must seem to non-musicologist types. C'est la vie. Antandrus (talk) 04:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Pretty nifty, huh? It doesn't seem like any of Gesualdo's letters survive, though. Or at least Newcomb couldn't get his hands on them. This seems pretty geeky to me, and I like to pretend I'm a musicologist type :) It's good geeky, though. Mak (talk) 04:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

source

Ok, listen here dude, first of all like it was told to you and to others, from the very beginning i never ment to "vanalize" anything, but you challenged me and called me vandal, so i had to take up the arms and fight... Then... I do, many times i include sources, but some things are known facts, i simply added word round, what is sixth by itself, 6th min?Sso, you know, do not expect a word for every word and do not attack me mr. vandal. You are also talking to music minor, I know a heck of a lot on classical music. And my no means am i editing under 1000 IP's -all come from one source and I told you not to drink before making comments, i make sure things are always correct, again, do not talk to me. So, stick to your classics.if u can, 4a change. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.99.3.52 (talk • contribs) .

Spring3100

Mak, would you advise? As you have noticed, User:Giuliani Time appears to be a sockpuppet of User:Spring3100, based on the edit summary of this edit and the timestamp of this one. Interestingly, Spring3100 was quick to jump on Chifumbe for "impersonation" in this AfD; but I note that Giuliani took it to AfD and Spring3100 voted immediately after I did. So... where do I go from here? I would at least like the apparent double-voting called into question, whether or not the sockpuppetry is an issue otherwise. thanks, bikeable (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, you may have enough for a WP:RFCU, or you could post under another heading at WP:AN/I. I'm always hesitant to block possible socks at this sort of stage unilaterally, but unfortunately checkuser requests tend to be slow and often rejected. Mak (talk) 05:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. I made a sort of concilatory offer here, and will go to RFCU if that doesn't pan out. Not sure if this is a usual tactic, but it seemed fair. best, bikeable (talk) 05:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hello Mak, thank you for your message. I hope I can be of use in the future...Thefritz5 06:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

OK

OK, I won't mention it to them any more. Spring3100 06:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Les Arts florissants (opera)

Hello! Thanks for moving the article to its proper place, I haven't figured out how that's done yet. :o) -- Rahelisdolentis 13:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

List of major opera composers

I know sweet FA about Charpentier. Would you mind filling up his annotation? I've done about 10 in the last half-hour, and my hands are getting tired from all the typing! If so , that would be great. Cheers, Moreschi 19:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Interactive advergaming

I saw your prod on this article, and I also noticed that the creator removed said prod. But, I am almost certain that this same content was speedied within the last 2 days or so. Is there a way to search and find that out? I recognize these articles, and I am certain they were deleted. ---Charles 03:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it took a little longer than I expected, but I did find both articles in the delete log. Both were deleted within the past 48 hours, and both had been speedied at least once before that. This guy just keeps recreating them. What a menace. ---Charles 04:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Enlighter1"

Thanks for that ... one of Misplaced Pages's most bizarre vandals (I think his original alias was User:Enlighter1). I honestly can't figure him out. Antandrus (talk) 01:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty strange. Like a WP:POINT addiction gone too far. Mak (talk) 01:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Whoa... thanks for bothering to scroll to the bottom (I didn't even look) Antandrus (talk) 20:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Spamming?

Could you please explain to me the difference between posting a valid link and spamming? I posted links of the same nature as the ones already posted. Is it spamming to add a link to an article on a ministry website? I am NOT linking to a commercial website. That I would agree is spamming, at least in many cases. God's Webmaster 21:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Shocked

I'm Taros, you wrote on my page. I not trying to advertise anything, I'm just trying to tell the history of a game company just like Sony or Nintendo. I'm sorry for any offence and I only wanted to talk to someone, not spam them.Taros 14:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediholic Test

Hi, Makemi. I have big question about Wikipediholic Test. I usually notice that some user's introduction says my wikipediholic test score is .... What kinds of tests are called Wikipediholic Test? Just want to know about this. My purpose here is asking you about Wikipediholic Test. Anyways, Could you please explain to me what Wikipediholictest is? Please, reply in my talk page. Cheers!! Daniel's page ☎ 02:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

War of Words

Hi, it's your "best friend" (cough) Taros. So, I guess it was you who deleted my page with your administrative access. Why? What did I do wrong? What have I ever done to you? Remember this, I work for the company as the game maker and it is not easy. All I wanted was for my hard work to be notified, not advertised.Taros 14:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Graduate schools

Hello: I saw a brief (one sided...) discussion on Antandrus's page about your wanting to attend graduate school and wondering about suitable programs. Can I help or have you made a decision? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, OK, here goes. First, you have to remember that it has been over 20 years since I was directly involved with the field, but based on that antediluvian perspective...Stanford always seemed like a school very well-balanced between historical studies and performance, ditto Yale -- though there has been a pretty strong divide there between the stage and the classroom; of course that's better than Harvard, where there essentially isn't a stage at all. When I was there, Boston University did well also, although there has been great turnover in the faculty since then. I would generally avoid the conservatory-related schools, which will likely have a good deal more emphasis on the performance side than on the scholarship side. Having said that, Eastman may be an option, though I admit I don't know much about their early-music performance program. (My bias is that it's important to be a good and sensible musician as well as a good and sensible scholar/researcher. One without the other is pretty barren.) The University of Maryland may have something, or another DC-area school, due to the proximity of the Folger Consort. NYC is oddly devoid of a very viable early-music movement, though SUNY (either Stony Brook or Purchase, I forget which) might be worth a look. You said you wanted to stay on one of the coasts, so I won't suggest anything in the middle, though a friend of mine is very active in the early-music field in the Minneapolis area. I infer that you're in the US; have you considered any of the European programs? Or do you have any professors or H.I.P. performing acquaintances who could offer guidance? Tell me some more about your interests and leanings. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Proverb (Reich), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Re: List of major opera composers

Thanks for the note. I didn't enter into any major discussions of POV or selection criteria on that talk page because I had a sixth sense someone was playing with a deck of stacked cards. Weeks of futile discussion would have simply led to deletion of the article because the list wasn't broad enough to cover some contemporary composers (I think you know who I mean). Funny, if he/they hadn't harrassed me and started following me around asking for SOURCES??? on a few opera stubs I created to be filled in the next day then I never would have investigated he/them further. I think work on the NPOV issues with bona fide contributors will now be more productive. The major problem I see is the list is too "minimal" as it stands. Perhaps we did way too much chopping to cut it down to about thirty names. You can see I had some intuition about what might happen in the archived discussion about whether to cut Leoncavallo/Mascagni or not. Never mind, now I think we can make progress to getting something which might satisfy most reasonable people who come across the page. (Sorry I couldn't check your GA status article - August was a busy month). Cheers --Folantin 19:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

There was nothing funny going on at all

• I've signed up using my own name, which is Jean-Thierry Boisseau. I do work for a music publishing company, but none of the composers involved on List of major opera composers is in our catalogue, nor do we have any significant holding in opera. So, whatever I was doing as Musikfabrik on that particular list has absolutely nothing to do with our business.
• It appears from discussion that problems concerning WP:POV still remain with the article List of major opera composers and that this discussion will continue until such time as the issues are settled. I am simply replying here as a courtesy and for the sake of clarity. Jean-Thierry Boisseau 20:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)