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Terabar has again filed the same SPI that he did few months ago, and canvassed another editor. I should also note that Terabar has referred me as sock of D4iNA4 recently on other spaces and still keeps calling us a sock of each other despite failed SPI. Now he also calling another person (Rzvas) a sock as well, with whom I may happen to share my IP despite I already declared it. ] (]) 12:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC) Terabar has again filed the same SPI that he did few months ago, and canvassed another editor. I should also note that Terabar has referred me as sock of D4iNA4 recently on other spaces and still keeps calling us a sock of each other despite failed SPI. Now he also calling another person (Rzvas) a sock as well, with whom I may happen to share my IP despite I already declared it. ] (]) 12:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{re|Capitals00}} Looks like {{U|Ivanvector}} dealt with the SPI. However, I do have a question. What is the reason you share an IP with {{user2|Rzvas}}, and why did the two of you not declare it before a couple of days ago? If you feel the information is private, please e-mail me. Thanks.--] (]) 14:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC) :{{re|Capitals00}} Looks like {{U|Ivanvector}} dealt with the SPI. However, I do have a question. What is the reason you share an IP with {{user2|Rzvas}}, and why did the two of you not declare it before a couple of days ago? If you feel the information is private, please e-mail me. Thanks.--] (]) 14:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks and I mailed. ] (]) 14:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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IAKenny

You placed a CheckUser block on the editor IAKenny, as recorded at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/SlitherioFan2016/Archive#16 April 2017. Obviously, not being a CheckUser I can't see the relevant information, but it is clear from what has been said at User talk:IAKenny that the account has edited from one or more the same computer as the sockpuppeteer, so you were no doubt perfectly right to block. However, I wonder whether it would now be reasonable to consider unblocking, for the following reasons.


IAKenny gives an account of how the editing from the same computer could have come about. That reads to me as a perfectly possible explanation. I have checked every edit by IAKenny, and compared them with a fairly large selection of edits by SlitherioFan2016 and known or suspected sockpuppets, and I have also run the interaction analyzer against IAKenny and all of the other accounts. There is no particular similarity in the nature of IAKenny's editing and that of the other accounts, and there is no similarity in topics that have been edited. There is not a single example of the same article being edited by IAKenny and any other account, and the very few talk page edits in common are entirely consistent with the explanation given by IAKenny. The editing on IAKenny's talk page in relation to the block and his unblock request is not similar in character to edits from SlitherioFan2016 and sockpuppets when blocked.


It seems to me far more likely that what IAKenny says is the truth than that the account is another SlitherioFan2016 sockpuppet, used in a very different way from any of the others, in which case we should unblock. However, even if anyone doesn't agree with my assessment that it is "far more likely", there seems to certainly be enough of a possibility in that direction that we have to assume good faith. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: I have four unblock requests to review (another one is yours if I recall correctly), and as I told another administrator privately, at the moment I'm not up to it (RL stuff). Hopefully, I'll be able to get to IAKenny by next week. I appreciate your patience.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, obviously nobody can be expected to always be available to deal with stuff immediately, so that's fine. Thanks for letting me know. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Bbb23 and JamesBWatson. I realise this unblocking matter has consumed valuable time for both of you. I now have a bit more insight into the trials and patience of the administrators. I am grateful to both of you for the humanity you showed. For Bbb23: I have left a possible solution/wild guess about your remaining unsolved puzzle on my talk page below your unblocking message. I realise you may be too busy to pursue it, but feel free to ask me any questions if you are still curious. IAKenny (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

blocking

Hello Bbb23. The blocking of User:Shahadusadik and User:Joy Agyepong leaves me puzzled. I know both and have met them at the WikiIndaba conference in Ghana this year and so have all other participants, who will be able to confirm that, see m:WikiIndaba conference 2017/Participants. They are clearly not the same person and work closely together with the Wikimedia User Grupe Ghana. Once cannot be the sock of the other and for both it would be very unlinkely to have connection to this sockfarm. Could you have a look at these 2 accounts again? Regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

This is being discussed in more detail at Katie's Talk page, but I don't see either username on the list of participants.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
They were both helpers. This is Joy: c:File:Joy Agyepong Wiki Indaba 2017.jpg and this is Shahadusadik: c:File:3rd Training Session and Edit-a-thon.jpg. --Gereon K. (talk) 15:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Help please

Hi Bbb23, I see you blocked Bijun Yang who is a new user who had created multiple accounts to try and persevere with editing. Obviously we cannot have sock puppetry but I think the newbie will conform once the rule is emphasised. Could you unblock or are you happy for me to do so? Victuallers (talk) 11:00, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't even see an unblock request from the user. Without that, I have nothing to evaluate.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I was wrong. I have discussed this with Bijun Yang. This is a false positive. Two new users are both working on the same article. Can you restore both accounts please. I will try to get them to leave a message here if you are not sure whether to AGF my request. Victuallers (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
No, and the only way they could post here is to sock. Better for them to post at the Bijun Yang Talk page as themselves.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:49, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure that is very clear from the message on their talk page. I will advise them to edit their talk page and ask for you to reconsider - (but they know only as much as is said here I reckon). Victuallers (talk) 14:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
They tried a short time ago to make an unblock request, but they screwed it up. If you wish, you could fix it for them. Why have you even become involved in this (I can't see any connection between what they're doing and you, although admittedly I never heard of you before today).--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm assisting in their WikiEdu assignment. (Once I remember what a talk page looks like). I will see if I can rember how to unblock someone. You might check Ive done it right if you have a me later. Thanks for your work, I can see that these two could easily be the same person. Victuallers (talk) 15:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
"If you wish, you could fix it for them" .... I did. I regret if I havent done as you imagined. I am not confident to reset the block. Can I suggest that you re-block it if you want to. I'm very confused by your wishes as you asked me to fix it.... which I did. Can you undo the actions that have offended you. Are you in any doubt that this is a false positive? Victuallers (talk) 16:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you could misinterpret what I said, but I do accept your good faith regardless. Here's what I want: a complete explanation of who these two users are and your involvement with them from the beginning. It feels like you've been spoon-feeding me bits and drabs of what's going on, and thus far, it's made little sense. Do you know the users? Were you involved with them from the outset or in the middle or at the end? I need you to flesh this out so I can understand it. More explanation is better than less. After that, I can make a more informed decision of what's best to do.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
I cannot see the relevance, but may be you can. They are masters students. I'm assisting in their teaching as part of Edu Wiki. They are trying to use their knowledge to improve Misplaced Pages as an assignment. I have met them, I don't know them. One of them emailed me when they got blocked. I assumed they had created a sock puppet as accused. I was later contacted by both students as they had worked out what had happended. At this point I realised this was a false positive. I am still concerned that these two editors have done nothing and they are locked out of their accounts. Can we sort them out? Its night time here - so I won't be here again till tomorrow. Victuallers (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Two concerns I have. First, are you going to monitor their edits from now on? They caused significant disruption to the articles they touched. Class assignments don't justify disrupting articles. It might be better if they worked on drafts rather than in article space. Second, you didn't set this up properly. If you're involved in WikiEdu and classroom projects, there are procedures to be followed so that this sort of mix-up doesn't occur. At a minimum, they should identify who they are on their userpage, what the project is, and include your name as the coordinator (I assume you're not an instructor). I'm not familiar with all the procedures (as I recall, they're overly complicated like too many things on Misplaced Pages), but something so editors don't suspect they're socks. This is usually not the students' fault but the teacher's or the coordinator's and it's certainly not a pleasant way to be introduced to Misplaced Pages. I will unblock them as soon as I get some assurances from you about the future. They can wait until tomorrow - it won't kill them.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. As you will have noticed I told them to work in their sandbox. We have had issues with admins deleting stuff in sandboxes which is difficult to explain to new users. I hadn't anticipated that. Their confidence exceeds their abilities and I am looking at their edits. I will add new user bars to their pages. I'm not sure if adding me as a link is going to help if others are not going to AGF, but I'll try. I hadn't anticipated that new users would be designated as socks. It has been unpleasant for them in particular because they do not understand why actions cannot be fixed quickly. As you say Misplaced Pages procedures are complicated. Misplaced Pages is getting very tricky for new users - we imply that its possible to do it without help. Having some help should make it possible. Victuallers (talk) 09:34, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
I unblocked both users and left a brief message on each of their Talk pages. I also removed the sock tags from their userpages. I hope the rest of their experience at Misplaced Pages is less stressful. I have only one thing left to ask you: what do you want to do about the other "sock", Fakhruddin Patanwalla (talk · contribs · count)?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bijun yang

I wanted to let you know only one account was blocked instead of all. SwisterTwister talk 16:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks @SwisterTwister: - Can you assist?. I read above that Bbb23 wanted me to unblock the accounts. That is not what (s)he wanted and we seem to have got into a mess. I have a real world appointment in 20 mins and I want to get this resolved. I am concerned that the unblock is being seen as over riding Bbb23 whereas I read it as a request for me to undo it. Victuallers (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @Victuallers: Sorry, me again, not stalking you :) just reblock them, with a note in the block log to say you're restoring a CU block. That should cover you I hope. — O Fortuna 16:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Thats helpful, I think Ive just done the same!!! - thanks - although I'm sure we have two very confused newbies. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
No problem. I know I shouldn't try and read Bbb23's muind (but will- sorry!), but I think the communication problem stemmed from misintepreting what was to be 'fixed', that's all- I bet he meant the broken template the editor had used, and you interpreted that as fixing the unblock itself. Well, TGIF eh :) — O Fortuna 17:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Reading my mind is a dangerous practice, not because you're necessarily wrong, but because you might get stuck in my brain, which is not a pretty place. Hopefully, you use state-of-the-art survival tools. Or maybe you're as crazy as I am in which case you'll be just fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:15, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Err... I was hoping that leaving a trail of breadcrunbs would get me out OK!  ;) — O Fortuna 09:46, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Can you take a look at Fakhruddin Patanwalla please. It appears to be still blocked as an innocent sockpuppet suspect. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I asked you about this user in the section above, but I guess you didn't notice. The user's last edit was on March 24. I blocked on May 5. Unlike the other two, they didn't complain about the block. Looks to me like they were no longer interested in editing. I'll still unblock if you wish, but we'd only talked about the other two.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Well not noticing was also my fault. Thanks for your patience. I reckon they will want it in a hurry soon. Please unblock as they did'nt do anything (in this case a bit to literally :) ... yet) - cheers Roger Victuallers (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 Done.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Old master?

Unrelated to the case in the section above, but relevant to a recent block you did of someone else, that user's style reminds me of this one. Just to note it for your future edification. Montanabw 04:53, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

In what way?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at...

this report? It's been six days, he's added more and more IPs (all in the same two groups as he's used before - either his ISP or an Internet cafe or similar)... and he's been edit-warring and now has stooped to an attempted outing. Jeh (talk) 03:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

ANEW

Color me stupid. Sorry about that. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Shock Brigade Harvester Boris: Not a bit of it. Completely understandable.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

IP user Whitewashing and Revisonism

This user, 178.222.116.11 , continues to make edits to articles in bad faith and undoing edits, despite warnings from multiple users. 108.54.93.183 (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Nationality

If the parameter should not be used, then why is it in the template? To date, I have been thanked 7 times for my edits to various pages with these edits using these parameters. The usage of this parameter is obviously subjective. If you have a problem with my usage of an available parameter, then I recommend you talk to the admins about removing the parameter from the Officeholder Infobox. Another point to consider is if you were to look through all of the edits I have made. It has become apparent that there are numerous Congressmen who are foreign born, and therefore their nationality is more ambiguous. You must also consider that information which may be obvious to you and I might not be obvious to someone else. Firstclass306 (talk) 18:06, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Infobox officeholder has no guidance on when to use the field. Just because a field is in a template doesn't mean it has to be used in a particular article. I'm not talking about instances where the nationality is "ambiguous". See Infobox person for some implicit guidance: "May be used instead of citizenship (below) or vice versa in cases where any confusion could result. Should only be used with citizenship when they somehow differ." If someone was born in the U.S. and spent their life in the U.S., it shouldn't be used. I repeat my warning. Go do something else.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I fail to see the issue here

Since you have not replied to my email I sent you two days ago, I'll ask here. ACC has a backlog of account requests needing CU run on them before continuing the request process. I had posted a message at WP:CU/N hoping that some idle CU's could stop by and help. You reverted the post straight out with an edit summary of "doesn't belong here", My understanding of "WP:CU/N" means Check User Noticeboard, I sent you an email asking why is this venue inappropriate for my post, you have not answered, so I ask again, why is asking for Checkuser help at the Check User Noticeboard inappropriate ? - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

You decided that the SPI Talk page was the "Check User Noticeboard". A bit incestuous, don't ya think?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I didn't, the shortcut of WP:CU/N does. - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
What's your problem? You created that shortcut. I just deleted it and reverted your edit. Leave it alone. If another CheckUser wants to reinstate your edit, fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
@Mlpearc:, Misplaced Pages talk:Sockpuppet investigations is not the "CheckUser Noticeboard", it's the discussion board for sockpuppet investigations, and it's unlikely that anyone following that board has any particular interest or expertise in account creation. This is a silly windmill to tilt at. If you want attention to the backlog at ACC, post at WP:AN. Ivanvector (/Edits) 17:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm a CU and I've never looked at that talk page, I think. Sorry, Mlpearc. AN is the right place. Drmies (talk) 17:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Bbb23, if I might be so bold as to offer some constructive criticism, is not particularly helpful as a response, perhaps next time point people to the right place as well as saying their first point is the wrong place? I also find somewhat rude, considering at that point from what I can tell you'd still not pointed them to the right place. It's just a thought that might have avoided threats and raised tempers this time around. It's possibly also worth mentioning that the historical Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser and Misplaced Pages:CheckUser both point to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations as the place to go - if we're on a cleanup pass it might be worth dealing with those too, again so we can try and avoid this situation in the future?
While what's done is done, and another experienced editor has been pushed to a wikibreak, can we at least figure out where the right place is, considering @Ivanvector: and @Drmies:'s suggestion of WP:AN doesn't really fit either, considering most administrators don't hold the checkuser bit? Or just screw the bureaucracy of what is or isn't the right place for something that doesn't quite fit anywhere, and just try to deal with the issue?
Anyway, food for thought. 18:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
@Stwalkerster: please see the discussion to this effect currently ongoing at WP:AN. Ivanvector (/Edits) 18:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
My apologies, I missed that :) 18:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Closing with no action

Closing with no action is that mean you didn't check run the case i presented enlighten me please? Somajeeste (talk) 02:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Harassment through repeating same SPI

Terabar has again filed the same SPI that he did few months ago, and canvassed another editor. I should also note that Terabar has referred me as sock of D4iNA4 recently on other spaces and still keeps calling us a sock of each other despite failed SPI. Now he also calling another person (Rzvas) a sock as well, with whom I may happen to share my IP despite I already declared it. Capitals00 (talk) 12:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Capitals00: Looks like Ivanvector dealt with the SPI. However, I do have a question. What is the reason you share an IP with Rzvas (talk · contribs · count), and why did the two of you not declare it before a couple of days ago? If you feel the information is private, please e-mail me. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks and I mailed. Capitals00 (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)