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| :::: Misplaced Pages is not built on Popularity of person. Else every individual acted on film or wrote a book will be part of Encyclopedia. Its niot the case here. We are not creating Misplaced Pages to write Personal Biography of individuals so they can promote themselves. Here in this case Not even a single article is found on Notable media with in-depth coverage. If you have any? please help me understand that. I can share Wiki policies in notability and media coverage policies if you like. ] (]) 18:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC) | :::: Misplaced Pages is not built on Popularity of person. Else every individual acted on film or wrote a book will be part of Encyclopedia. Its niot the case here. We are not creating Misplaced Pages to write Personal Biography of individuals so they can promote themselves. Here in this case Not even a single article is found on Notable media with in-depth coverage. If you have any? please help me understand that. I can share Wiki policies in notability and media coverage policies if you like. ] (]) 18:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC) | ||
| ::::: Was just going through your profile. Several times you have found in the category of Paid editor. complete violation of Misplaced Pages, and clears your intention on writing about this individual without having any of the coverage proof. As there are none.] (]) 19:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC) | ::::: Was just going through your profile. Several times you have found in the category of Paid editor. complete violation of Misplaced Pages, and clears your intention on writing about this individual without having any of the coverage proof. As there are none.] (]) 19:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC) | ||
| :::::: I have requested advice from an administrator so as to not violate WP:3RR. I have made previous edits that you can see in the history, all of which were to comply with Misplaced Pages editing guidelines. I did not create this article, nor did I add any promotional information, so I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that I'm somehow a paid editor. It's obviously clear that the deletion discussion is not going to be anything but a no consensus close at worst. Go with consensus and please stop making baseless accusations. ] ] ] 20:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Could someone please provide citation for the following statement? "He has been called one of the world's most "connected" individuals by both Forbes and Inc. magazines" —Kn0wItAll 10:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I coldnt agree with you more! This citation is quoted directly from his book!!!
He is represented by Jordan Roberts?
What is this? Sounds like: "for more info or to book a speech, contact my agent, Jordan Roberts." Pgc512 (talk) 10:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Ferrazzi's newest book ... is a guide to mastering four "mindsets"?
Wow! Must be a super must-have book then !!! Pgc512 (talk) 10:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Edited the page
It was such nauseating shameless self-promotion that I had to modify it. Tried to make it neutral, deleted nonsense jargon, and deleted everything that was either empty of semantic content or unsourced (or sourced only by a Keith Ferrazz-run publication). Deleted the advertisement warning following the changes I made. Jesse Spafford 03:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC) 24 October 2012
Revisited, took out the quotes of blurbs from his books for violating the requirement from Living Persons Biography that "criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." Maybe the epigones who keep filling this page with fluff might want to actually put in a description of the books rather than promotional material? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessespafford (talk • contribs) 02:12, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Wow
This article is a hell of a mess. I went through and toned down some of the POV language, took out some unsourced quotes and accolades and such. There is still a hell of a lot more to clean up.
First up: the "Awards, honors, and press" section. This is a meaningless mishmash of stuff Ferrazzi would want you to see. Any meaningful awards will need coverage in independent reliable sources. Otherwise, we could add the "Ferrazzi's Mother's Cutest Little Boy in a Blue Suit Award". The rest will have to go. "Honors"? I'm not sure what constitutes an "honor". Maybe he was honored to take Crissy to the prom. Again, coverage in independent reliable sources will sort this out. As for "press", a detailed account calling him the prince of darkness would have been left out, I guess. The "press" included is hand selected "gee, ain't he a swell guy" kind of garbage. If it's a source, cite it. Otherwise, we lose it.
All in all, this article needs to be burned to the ground and rewritten from a neutral point of view. If the original author would like to put together a glossy four-color trifold brochure promoting Ferrazzi, they are welcome to do so somewhere else. We should be reporting basic biographical information, why this guy is notable (assuming he is) and what independent reliable sources have to say about him. This might include things he isn't happy about and might leave out how cute his mom thought he was in that blue suit. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Awards, honors and press
This entire section was a trivial grab bag focused around building up Ferrazzi.
If any of these supposed "awards" or "honors" are meaningful awards or honors, they will be covered in independent reliable sources. When Time names their "person of the year", it is meaningful, as demonstrated by the fact that numerous other publications (including reliable ones) discuss it. Deciding that content of a headline or copy in an article is an "award" or "honor" is a PR exercise, not an encyclopedic one.
If any of the so-called "press" is significant coverage of Ferrazzi in independent reliable sources, please give us details. This article sorely needs such coverage to survive. The repeated drop-bys from COI editors adding unsourced laudatory garbage are not helpful. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:37, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the cleanup! --Ronz (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Advertising, conflict if interest, notability (Paid Editor?)
Starting section for discussion. TimTempleton 16:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- there is no need to remove the tag. From word to word, the article is nothing but a promotion to that individual. Nothing is significant about this one. Prove that it is not promotion then delete the tags. I am tagging it again. do not waste the time on discussion. you remove when the results are out. Because of such articles Misplaced Pages is becoming a spam hub, it is not meant for individual biographies.
- Can you tell me only one reason why people read about this guy on Encyclopedia? What is so great about this one? Light2021 (talk) 16:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- I think the article speaks for itself. If you ask anyone in American business who Keith Ferrazzi is, they will most likely know, especially if you mention the book Never Eat Alone. As the tagger, the burden is on you to be specific about what your concerns are. Your argument is too general and I'm going to remove the tags until you can be more specific. This will be my third and last revert because I don't want to violate WP:3RR. I removed the promotional material and it reads fine now. The notability tag is the only one that makes sense, but it's redundant because the article is in a deletion discussion and so the notability is already being discussed. You are also in the minority, so this comes across as an attempt to influence future voters. Please let the voting run its course and be specific here about what content concerns you. If you make a good case and others agree, and there is consensus, you can tag the article. TimTempleton 17:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Read this, speaks all what people have wikipedia and what is purpose of Misplaced Pages in true sense. Lets not degrade the standards of it. Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2015-04-08/Op-ed . Please do not delete the tags. Voters are not fools who get influenced by tags. Thanks. Light2021 (talk) 18:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not built on Popularity of person. Else every individual acted on film or wrote a book will be part of Encyclopedia. Its niot the case here. We are not creating Misplaced Pages to write Personal Biography of individuals so they can promote themselves. Here in this case Not even a single article is found on Notable media with in-depth coverage. If you have any? please help me understand that. I can share Wiki policies in notability and media coverage policies if you like. Light2021 (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Was just going through your profile. Several times you have found in the category of Paid editor. complete violation of Misplaced Pages, and clears your intention on writing about this individual without having any of the coverage proof. As there are none.Light2021 (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- I have requested advice from an administrator so as to not violate WP:3RR. I have made previous edits that you can see in the history, all of which were to comply with Misplaced Pages editing guidelines. I did not create this article, nor did I add any promotional information, so I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that I'm somehow a paid editor. It's obviously clear that the deletion discussion is not going to be anything but a no consensus close at worst. Go with consensus and please stop making baseless accusations. TimTempleton 20:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Was just going through your profile. Several times you have found in the category of Paid editor. complete violation of Misplaced Pages, and clears your intention on writing about this individual without having any of the coverage proof. As there are none.Light2021 (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not built on Popularity of person. Else every individual acted on film or wrote a book will be part of Encyclopedia. Its niot the case here. We are not creating Misplaced Pages to write Personal Biography of individuals so they can promote themselves. Here in this case Not even a single article is found on Notable media with in-depth coverage. If you have any? please help me understand that. I can share Wiki policies in notability and media coverage policies if you like. Light2021 (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Read this, speaks all what people have wikipedia and what is purpose of Misplaced Pages in true sense. Lets not degrade the standards of it. Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2015-04-08/Op-ed . Please do not delete the tags. Voters are not fools who get influenced by tags. Thanks. Light2021 (talk) 18:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- I think the article speaks for itself. If you ask anyone in American business who Keith Ferrazzi is, they will most likely know, especially if you mention the book Never Eat Alone. As the tagger, the burden is on you to be specific about what your concerns are. Your argument is too general and I'm going to remove the tags until you can be more specific. This will be my third and last revert because I don't want to violate WP:3RR. I removed the promotional material and it reads fine now. The notability tag is the only one that makes sense, but it's redundant because the article is in a deletion discussion and so the notability is already being discussed. You are also in the minority, so this comes across as an attempt to influence future voters. Please let the voting run its course and be specific here about what content concerns you. If you make a good case and others agree, and there is consensus, you can tag the article. TimTempleton 17:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)