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reverts on Mahajan commission report

I am not writing this note to get into a protracted war of words with you. But I suggest you please grow up and stop calling the Mahajan commission report biased just because it went against Maharashtra. You sound like a school boy who has lost a game of cricket and is complainig about bad umpiring. The commission was set up at the insistance of Maharashtra. Over the months that I have been monitoring this article, I have come away with the opinion that you guys are naive and brainwashed. What exactly do you mean by biased. Did the Karnataka govt. bribe MehrChand Mahajan?, or do you think the central govt. has something against Maharashtra that they appointed a biased Supreme court judge?.

Grow Up and learn to take life with a pinch of salt. You loose some, you gain some.

Dinesh Kannambadi

STOP IT!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

Misplaced Pages guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors, and assume that they are here to improve Misplaced Pages. Thank you.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvagnya (talk • contribs)

Language Timothy

Mahawiki in case you do not know it there is no such term as "Kannadi" the correct term is "Kannadiga". I would request that you do not use the term "Kannadi" as it is offensive. Also please stick to English on the English wikipedia. You can enable you emails and talk among yourselves if there is something you and Arya Rajya want to discuss in private. Haphar 18:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, this is my request as well. Please do not use the term "Kannadi". You can either use 'Kannadigas' or 'Kannada people'. Thank you for your understanding. - KNM 18:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

We are discussing an English article here and English wikipedia. So the term Kannada or Kannadiga is the right use. In Marathi wiki you can use whatever term is used. Also in English wikipedia please stick to English. You can set up private conversations in email between the two of you. The talk pages are for discussions on behaviour and articles. You can have personal conversations but the ettiquette demands the language be used that the forum is in. You can look to contribute and discuss in Marathi on the Marathi wiki in marathi. Please avoid it in the English wikipedia. Excalmations, random sentences are still tolerable not whole passages. Haphar 15:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I dont give a damn what Maratis call Kannadigas or what is written on Marati wikipedia. This is english wikipedia and the only right term to use is the native term. Using your own hoary term is like using angrezi/ angrez/ firang/ firangi etc., to refer to English speaking people on Misplaced Pages. And dont hide behind meaningless google hits which only maratis can read. Interestingly, google also gives a hit for Chatripati Shivaji. So right, Chatripati Shivaji(wow.. the name sounds so coooool), he is and will be from now on. Sarvagnya 16:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvganya you are not helping matters by jumping in and using such language. I would request you to refrain from using provocative language and terms. Let's get things on a civil note before carrying on. Haphar 14:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please tell me you aren't arguing over the proper suffix to append to a word... The only difference between the terms is that Kannadiga has a "gi" at the end to start with. How does dropping the "gi" make the term offensive? And wouldn't the English form be "Karnatakan"? --tjstrf 18:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

If I have dispute with you and malign your name and twist it, then it is offensive. Then even two letters make a difference then. Incidentally it's "ga" and not"gi" in this case. Even Karnatakan would be acceptable but Kannadi is not a term that is used in the mainstream. Specially when referring to a community with which the user has issues . (The two "states" involved in THIS discussion- Maharashtra and Karnataka respectively- have a border dispute going on between them, which two camps are now battling over on wikipedia ) In the case of Karnataka- Kannadiga is refered to native Kannada speakers, they have people from other states who have settled there who can be called Karnatakan. But Kannadi is not used and has been used repeatedly by this user despite request's by many not to do so. So the issue is not of "proper" suffix, but how to keep exchanges civil and not cause offence.

It's the proper word to be used to minimise the debate on some other pages that two camps have been warring on, and if you could go through a bit of the history it would help you understand. Haphar 14:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouting

Please do not "SHOUT", as you did on User talk:Blnguyen. It is considered incivil. Thank you. Mar de Sin 20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If you prove that shouting is still a problem with that user, I will talk to him. Thanks. Mar de Sin 19:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed incivility by Sarvagnya, and I have addressed the issue with him too. Mar de Sin 19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Another user has already warned Sarvagnya about his removal of talk page messages. I would really recommend you to try to be nice to Sarvagnya, in spite of all the tension between you guys. I would say that being nice and patient is much more forceful than being mean and unkind, and can help you go a long way. Thank you, Mar de Sin 23:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

What's goin' on

Hey, Mahawiki, what's goin' on ? I was busy for sometime, couldn't get time to be online. Whats happening ? Who is this Tipu ? And why is Sarvagnya complaining 'bout you everywhere ? I saw your contribs. Online ashshil tar reply kar.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh my, Mahawiki, Marathi people cha talk page bagh. He log aajun anti-Marathi rantings karata aahet. Kahihi lihat aahet. Ha konitari navin aala aahe. Tyanchyach gang madhla asnaar. He tar ati hot aahe. Tuch bagh.

-Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people article

Mahawiki, ignore Sarvagnya, Kiritnut Kamut, Vgaonwada and other Kannadi fanatics for now. Simply because, it is affecting our efficiency. The Marathi people article hasn't been expanded that much. Now what we'll do is in the next 5 days we'll expand the article by more than 1000 characters. We'll make the article as good as a featured article. So, we can nominate it for DYK or even a "featured article" (though this would require some help from our admin friends and other users). I am starting a new edit now. So we need to expand it substantially within 5 days from now on. What we'll do is we'll inform good-hearted editors to contribute to this article so that it will stand up to Wiki Standards. I think, we'll also invite Marathi users who'll contribute. But we'll both have to contribute heavily. I am sure you'll be happy to contribute. But if this time Sarvagnya and his troupe comes around we'll have to stay cool and do things. I will also find out other interesting Marathi-related articles which can be expanded. So, what are we waiting for. Let's start the good work....

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 08:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, mahawiki, we can still put it into DYK. I read the DYK Rules article and here's the excerpt of the eligibility - " Eligible articles may only be up to 5 days old, or significantly expanded beyond 1000 characters in the last 5 days.". So if we significantly expand the article in 5 days we can still put it into DYK.

Yes, I think, it's high time the admin does something about Sarvagnya's uncivil behaviour.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am starting to edit the article now. What we can do is we can add new sections and sub-sections like "History"; "Culture"; "Food"; "Problems faced by Marathi people"; "Literature"; "Geographical Distribution"; "Marathi Communities"; "Achievements After Independence" and more.... Whaddyasay ?

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I saw the Azerbaijani article. We can model our article that way. I also participated in the Wikiproject on Ethnic Groups and I have put Marathi people's mention there in pending tasks assessment. You can also join the project - Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ethnic groups. Check out my contribs.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

User :Kirtinat Kamat

Kirtinatkamat,perhaps a sockpuppet of blocked user Vgowda,has been posting obscene messages.Plz take action against him.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Mahawiki#Marratty_Kiddieezz
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Marathi_people#Marattti_People_No_Good

Apart from it,I need help at archiving.I have posted some code at my talk page but its not being archived.Thanks. mahawiki 12:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that he would be careful. --Bhadani 13:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am unable to resolve the technical problem. Please request some other person who may be of help. --Bhadani 13:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Archival

Hi Mahawiki, saw your message on Bhadaniji's page. Give me five minutes. I'll set Werdnabot right for you -- Lost 13:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks set now. But do go through the points to remember on this page. It will run once in six hours so you may have to wait for some time -- Lost 13:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, its set to archive messages 10 days or older only. And messages without the timestamps will not be archived. Which means the welcome message will not be archived as it has no time stamp. Similarly any other messages where the user did not use the four tildes for signing, will not be archived automatically. -- Lost 13:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

reply

It is not as if Ambhi and Porus were best friends when Alexander attacked. Yet a unified response could have prevented India from falling into the hands of foreign powers. A thousand years later the Marathas made the same error - and not that they could beat the British themselves. This is the eternal tragedy of Indian history, repeated over and over... Rama's arrow 16:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes its not just the Marathas fault - most kings made this mistake throughout history. In the end there was no "Muslim raj" or "Hind Swaraj" - just "British Raj." Rama's arrow 16:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

It seems that you and Sarvagnya really have a conflict going on. I'm sorry but I am not able to mediate, although it would be a good idea to request mediation WP:MEDCAB, or through an administrator that you know. Blnguyen may be a good choice, but since he is on a Wikibreak, it's best to request someone else. I'd suggest finding someone knowledgable on Indian topics to mediate. And you may request to undelete a page here. Thank you, Mar de Sin 16:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Article deletion and "undeleting"

Hi Mahawiki, this is in response to your comments on talk pages of User:BInguyen and User:Basawala, about User:Sarvagnya removing/deleting/undeleting Kaveri and/or Kaveri River Water Dispute article(s).

Please note that, any user cannot remove or delete or undelete an article. Article deletion has to go through a formal process and definetely involves a discussion. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Afd for more details on deletion process. Also, for best of my knowledge, an article once deleted cannot be "undeleted". So, your sentences such as "Perhaps he has undeleted it himself,as he gave me the link today and its working.I and another editor at Kaveri was unable to find it yesterday" are not valid and might be considered as personal attack. Just my two cents. Thanks. - KNM 17:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Arya here

Hey Mahawiki, I will start expanding the Marathi_people article sometime today. You too come and contribute. I think you'll start contributing from tomorrow. Get as much stuff you can from those libraries and we'll expand the article.

By the way, I have just created a new signature. How does it look ?

-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 07:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

{{fact}} tag and citations

Hi, you have removed the {{fact}} tags from Belgaum article in this edit. In Misplaced Pages, {{fact}} tag has to be removed only after providing the necessary citations. Please do not remove {{fact}} tags from articles, without providing the citations. Also please refrain from calling names such as "notorious". Thank you! - KNM 04:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Development

Hey mahawiki, I have started expanding the Marathi people article again. I have added a section on History. Chec it out. And expand the article with references as much as possible. By the way, you know the Yadavas of Deogiri ? Just check their article - Yadava Dynasty.

--AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 06:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yadava

Hey, ya bro, I also thought it was Kannadi marketing by those shameless people. I mean, Vijayanagar la Kannadize kela, mi samjhu shakto, Rashtrakuta la kela, thik aahe, pun aata Yadava la suddha ? Yadava dynasty which was based in Deogiri in proper Maharashtra is descendent of Kannadi ?!?!? Yadava in Maharashtra and official language is Kannadi ? Yadava were feudatories of Chalukya ? Yadava redirect to Seuna ?

And look closely at the notes and ref, it is "Kamat has pointed out this in his research", " Murthy is of the opinion." and other such bakwaas. I mean, when did opinions become facts ?!?!?

Mahawiki, I thought the Yadavas were of Marathi origin. These guys are telling me they are Kannadi. It won't be long before they say Satavahana, Vakataka and even Maurya was a Kannadi !!!

mahawiki, I think, we need to set things straight. Can you find some sources through which we can set facts and Marathi origin correctly.

However, we must continue expanding the Marathi people article. I am looking forward for your help on that as well. Marathis must unite !!!

BTW, I changed the color of sign. Now, does it look good.

-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 08:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Few moments

Hello. I would request you to pleae give few moments to give your version about a mesage received by me: . I am sure that we all are here to build the Project conforming to the guidelines and procedures. Please comment on your "comments" in brief. Let us always follow WP:CIVIL in all our comments, etc. Thanks. --Bhadani 22:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hey mahawiki, mi tujha uttar pahila bhadani la. Mihi kahi goshti clear kelya aahet. Vachlas kaa majha response ? -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 04:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You and Sarvagnya

Hi! I am a Mumbaikar currently in Bangalore. I had a look at your message at User talk:Bhadani and found that Sarvagnya has also create some trouble, but I am afraid my impression is that the major trouble has been caused by you. Sarvagnya's use of phrases like Chatripati Shivaji was in bad taste, but your use of terms like Kannadi vandals in edit summaries is not acceptable either.

Sometimes, we do have edit wars, but that doesn't mean we should start losing civility. We can always sort out the matters amicably. Next time you find yourself in a controversial situation, just drop a message at Misplaced Pages:Notice board for India-related topics. Folks there will make sure that the concerned article is devoid of any POV.

I guess Bhadaniji is actively dealing with this issue (tension between you and Sarvagnya), but anyway I've left a message on Sarvagnya's talk page and would love to be a peacebroker here. We've already got a lot of trouble due to regionalism in our country, let's not make a Misplaced Pages a place to fight things out. After all, we are Indians first and Maharashtrians & Kannadigas next. :) utcursch | talk 14:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya

mahawiki, i know he is deliberately doing all this, but we must remain calm. What happens is that we're diverted from our main motive here because of this. We must expand Marathi related articles but of course at the same time we must also delete anti-Marathi POV from this encyclopedia. We must continue our crusade against unfairness and lingual fanaticism but at the same time, people shouldn't feel that you're at fault. Let them know who the real culprits are. But again, don't give them a chance to qoute "Misplaced Pages rulebooks". Relax, bro. TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPHS.....infact TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS !!!!

- AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 15:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-light

I thank you for your message. However, I would request you to resolve the issued yourselves. Once you do it, you shall find a new wiki-light enveloping your wiki-life. However, in case, you fail to resolve the issues, please take up the same at a better and the proper place. Regards and all the best!. --Bhadani 17:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Kaveri River

I went to make an edit to Kaveri River today, and notice that it is protected. If you and Sarvagnya will agree not to revert each other until after the issues have been resolved on the talk page, then it would be my hope that the protecting admin would be willing to lift the protection. Please consider this request. Sincerely, --BostonMA 20:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mahawiki. I have been having a discussion with Sarvagnya on my talk page. You may wish to take a look at that. One of the issues that he has raised is the use of the term vandalism by you. It may be the case that you have not used the term vandalism recently. I will check after I submit this to you. However, I would like you to re-read the Misplaced Pages Vandalism policy. Note that good faith edits, even if they are wrong, even if they introduce a non-neutral POV etc. are not vandalism, at least according to Misplaced Pages usage. Vandalism is narrowly defined as edits which are not made in good faith (toward Misplaced Pages). That is, edits which are not intended to help Misplaced Pages. What has occured between you and Sarvagnya is better described as a content dispute. It sometimes happens that editors become overly partisan or overly aggressive in their edits, in their comments and in their edit summaries. It would be much more useful, rather than referring to this or that edit as vandalism to simply state that this or that edit does not present the facts in an NPOV manner, or to state that this or that edit lacks respectable sources. I may be stating things you already know, so please forgive me if I am. I would very much like to know what you think about the above. Sincerely, --BostonMA 22:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya

Hi again!

I see the problems between you and Sarvagnya involve:

• civility issues
• content issues

As about civility, let bygones be bygones. Let's decide that from now onwards, both of you will be more refined while dealing with each other. That's the only way of resolving this matter. I can't really catch your necks and ask you to be friends (I would've done that that if you were both present in front of me...) Just make sure that you stay cool, don't mount personal attacks and assume good faith.

As about content issues, next time you feel that the other person is adding POV to the article, instead of starting a revert war, just drop a note at Misplaced Pages talk:Notice board for India-related topics. All editors who are knowledgable about India will try to arrive at a solution.

If everything fails, the only option is Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. utcursch | talk 03:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I agree we'll have been wrong. But let bygones be bygones and from now onwards, let's be civil and use the notice-board for content-related issues. Also, please go through Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes carefully. :) utcursch | talk 11:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm no authority on Misplaced Pages. So, me keeping an eye on edits by two of you doesn't matter. But, I'll surely try to poke my nose when required. Also, keep the notice-board in mind, you are welcome to discuss any controversial issues there. :) utcursch | talk 12:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's status

Hello. ATM, I have just spent the last week in a physics conference type thing and had to prepare a poster and explain it to people etc. Also I have to prepare a talk and report in the following month so I can't be around too much...so I have only done quick edits like reverting nonsense to my watchlist. For me to go and investigate 20 diffs of alleged bad behaviour and counter-allegations and trace the history and timeline of disagreement would take too many hours at the moment. If you can point me to some content problem I might be able to have a look, as these are faster to deal with - you only have to see two pieces of info (generally). I also suspect that fixing the article is a better way as it can often remove the reason for having a dispute - at least when I went and edited Akkalkot, Solapur and Marathi people I found that demonstrating NPOV was more effective than trying to lecture people.

Marathi people is now too old to use DYK, but if you start another expansion you could try again, although the article may already be too big. As for the Madhuri pic I suspect that it isn't actually free and the guy put a fake tag up. I doubt the agents give away free pictures, only promotional ones.

Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Hi! I believe Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment is the next step. utcursch | talk 12:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith

Hey mahawiki, this Sarvagnya is acting in total bad faith. I just saw his contribs and the way he has commented on Talk:Maratha Empire along with Kannadbadi and tagged the List of people known as The Great it seems it is total BAD FAITH !!! It is good that you understood the bad faith edit of KNM. It is sad that their POV pushing and bad faith edits are going unquestioned. Anyway, don't lose you cool, man. And I am setting up an e-mail address through which we can contact each other. Bye. Kaljhi ghe. -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 12:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your complaints

Dear Mahawiki, do you know about this. Sarvagnya is making complaints about you to the Admins. As such I really have not seen most of your edits that he has problems with, nor I was part of those discussions. And let me tell you, I am neither a Marathi nor a Kannadiga. But one thing is sure, I know Sarvagnya's edit history and also the way he pushes his POV which are many times void of any merit. I am sad to see how some people have so much time to waste over these things. Here I just wanted to let you be aware of the link above, in case you do not know about it. Have a nice time. Take it easy. --APandey 12:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

A Barnstar From Me As Well

Mahawiki, your diligence on bad faith edits aimed at Marathi-related articles certainly needs to be appreciated. -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 12:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your brilliant act of diligence and scrutiny on bad faith edits and POV pushing aimed at Marathi-related articles -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 12:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done

Mahawiki, tu faarach apratim kaam kele aahes, tyaana citations provide karun. Shivaji la great na mhanane he aksharshaha bad faith madhye aahe. Ha Sarvagnya total bad faith madhye edits karit aahe, asech vatate aahe maala. Transliterations baddal hi changlich argument kelis tu. Asa aapan tyaana uttar dile paahije. Well done. -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 06:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

"शिवाजी Great नाही, असं मी कदापि म्हटलो नाही. माझा विचार फ़क्त हा आहेः "Shivaji the Great" हा commonly used term नाही. महाराष्ट्रबद्दल तुमची भावना आदरयोग्य आहे, पण विकिपीडियावर वस्तुनिष्ठ आणि संतुलित लेखन सर्वाधिक महत्त्वपूर्ण आहे. utcursch | talk 10:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Suryakanth Kamat

Hi! Can you please provide me links to relevant articles where Suryakant Kamat (or is it Suryakanth Kamath?) has been cited. I will surely take a look at these articles. Please don't think I am being partial. I am from Mumbai, so don't accuse me of being Anti-Maharashtra. I am an atheist and world citizen, so issues like regionalism, nationalism and sectarianism don't come in my way; the only rationale behind my edits is accuracy. utcursch | talk 09:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Seuna

I had a look at the article. It's indeed full of pro-Kannada POV. The citations are dubious ("according to research by XYZ"). I've replaced them by {{fact}}. I am working on the article. I've also started discussion at Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge. I am waiting for other users to express their opinion. But again a word of caution here, this doesn't give you a reason to write pro-Marathi POV :-) utcursch | talk 12:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

As you can see at Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge, I am for creation of a new article Yadava dynasty, moving Suena to it and then merging Yadava Dynasty to Yadava dynasty. But let's not rush into this; let other editors (including Dinesh) provide their views. utcursch | talk 14:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Solapur Page

Mahawiki, You were the last editor of the page "Solapur" before these lines appeared. Look at the times at which this was inserted in Solapur page. If you do a page-by-page comparison of the page then you will come to know what I am pointing at. --Ninad 17:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverts on Seuna Article

Mahawiki, just observed that you have been involved in repeated reverts in Seuna article. Please stop it and I request you to go through this policy: Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule. Thank you! - KNM 05:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Seuna

Hi! Please don't indulge in revert wars. Let the current version with Dr. Suryanath Kamath as sources be there. I am working on this article with other sources. I referred to few books, and found that the name of the dynasty was Seuna indeed, but the word has nothing to do with Kannada. I am working on a better version of the article complete with references and devoid of any Kannada or Marathi POV. It should be ready by today evening. utcursch | talk 10:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Belgaum

Hello MW. Thanks for your confidence in me. However, I do not know much: . I am sorry. --Bhadani 13:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki: We don't call admins in for to do editing of pages - that would make us redundant. I am a Misplaced Pages editor, and I am qualified to write about Belgaum, *being* from Belgaum, and *being* a Maharashtrian, and being very non-political. I am going to remove the entire political commentary from the Belgaum article, and place it in new one called "Belgaum Border Disputes", then link to it from the bBelgaum article. You may please maintain this new article in whatever fashion you feel fit, but please do not introduce any political material in the Belgaum article, to avoid further edit wars. We Belgaum people really like to see a great, relevant and apolitical article about our hometown.

Thanks.

Achitnis 13:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply Achitnis 14:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, you are extremely biased, and are trying to force the Maharashtrian POV onto other people. And this is *me* - a Maharashtrian - saying this. You are giving us a bad name! You have crossed the line, and are being reported for gross violation of Misplaced Pages rules (not just this article, but others as well). As you can see, User:Bhadani has already declined to interfere.

Achitnis 14:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Do whatever u want.Dont dare to say I am giving bad name to Maharashtrians.I am not forcing Maharashtrian POV,did u understand this?It is the worst confrontation I had in wikipedia.

Thanks and bye. Mahawiki 14:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The Suena name reference has not been taken from Dr. Kamath's book. It has been taken from John Keay's book India:A History. The cited pages are avaialble for everybody to see at Google Book Search. However, the name Yadava dynasty is often used. So, I think it's a good name for the article to satisfy both pro-Seuna and pro-Yadava parties. By the way, the title Seuna has got nothing to do with Kannada, so it's not anti-Marathi in any way. Also, Seuna (or Sevuna) Yadavas of Devagiri is the name of a chapter in the book Yadavas Through the Ages--from ancient period to date by J.N. Singh Yadav. It is also the name of a book by A. V. Narasimha Murthy.

By the way, I did some research on Dr. Suryanath Upendra Kamath. He is not a fictious writer, but a noted historian and academician. He has an RSS background. Many of his views have been controversial: Eg. he accused Tipu Sultan of being "anti-Kannada" and anti-non-Muslims. He was the chairman of the textbook committee whose textbooks were "detoxed" in 2004. Several lines were deleted and the head of the sub-committee on Social Science textbooks S. Settar called the books "inferior" and accused them of having "saffron elements". According to a report in The Hindu, the Director of Textbooks was quoted as saying "changes were effected following criticism from historians, members of the minority communities and the public at large for the several inaccuracies in the book."

But still, he is a notable historian, so his citations are valid. As you can see, most of the historians who claim that Yadavas were Marathas are Maharashtrian (Bhandarkar, Altekar; Moraes is a Marathi-speaking Goan). Similary, most of the historians who claim that Yadavas were from Karanataka are Kannadigas (Kamath, Murthy etc.) In the article we've not stated that Yadavas were Marathas or Kannadigas. We've just said that there is difference of opinion among scholars regarding their origin, and presented these views. So, there's no POV.

I'll surely read other articles in which Dr. Kamath has been cited. I will try to add views of other noted historians to make sure that all the views are taken into consideration. utcursch | talk 12:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)