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Templates and spacing

Hello there! Regarding your edits on the Compiler and Runtime library articles, it's all about preventing issues later down the road no matter how much better things look at the moment with additional formatting – and I agree that additional vertical spacing is required there. For example, recent typography refresh changed a lot, and any non-standard explicit formatting is simply a call for troubles. Thus, you should see how to modify the troublesome templates, so additional vertical spacing becomes introduced that way. Hope you agree. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Dsimic,

I agree that it's not an ideal solution, and in general ad-hoc solutions are to be avoided when possible. Unfortunately there's hardly a better solution at the moment as long as the layout engine behaves as it does (the templates themselves being perfectly fine). That being said, subsequent to your message I consulted the help desk and added a whitespace character as an outer title to the template; this will effectively "push" the template down by one line in every article where it appears - layout-wise it's not ideal, but it does provide centralized control. Your opinion? François Robere (talk) 11:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for handling this! Using   is a much better (and centralized) solution, though it might be worth it to try passing 0.5em instead as the value for top margin through the {{Sidebar}}'s |style= parameter? Seems like that way sidebars should align perfectly with the lead section both when there is a hatnote and when there it isn't (tried it out in Firebug, and it worked as expected). Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I tried playing around with that, and I think it is better than the   option, but eventually you get the worse of all worlds: Where there's a header template the margin should be ~0.85, and where there isn't it should be ~0.25, and 0.5 (which, admittedly, is a reasonable average) just doesn't hit either. That being said, until this is solved in the parser level I see no better solution other than doing it manually in each article (which, while problematic from a technical perspective, produced the best overall results), given that they are all monitored over the long term. For the time being we can leave it as is (give or take an additional 0.05em of padding) until a better solution comes along. François Robere (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know almost too well what it's like when you start playing with aligning elements through CSS. :) Almost always things don't work as expected, at least not in one of the major browsers. Have you tried it in IE, GC and FF? That's where real troubles are usually hiding. :) Having all that in mind, I'd say that leaving it with style = margin-top: 0.5em, at least for now, is a reasonable compromise. Of course, we can always come back to it if (or when) a better solution becomes available. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

July 2015

Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Law of attraction (New Thought), as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. — Jeraphine Gryphon  18:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It looks like you're marking all of your edits as minor. :/ — Jeraphine Gryphon  19:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey there,

Thanks. I don't mark all of my edits as "minor", just those that are - mainly small layout and code changes, but also some rephrasing. Marking this latter edit included mainly moving and removing of redundant refs, along with some cleanup of unsourced material - not something that affects the article's essence. Put differently - that article is so badly-written, that the only edits it could undergo that I'll consider "major" would be a significant copyedit or a substantial substantive addition; everything else is just "making it a little better", so I do not consider it major in any way.

Most of my edits are off-the-cuff as I'm reading articles that interest me. I do not count the bytes of an edit, but rather the time and energy it took, and the contribution it has to the substance and style of an article. Just as an example - adding a template to a page can add a couple of hundred bytes, but it'll still be a minor edit. The same can be the case with rephrasing a paragraph without actually removing any material. That being said, I may have over-used the "minor edit" tag on some occasions (if for no other reason then to mark the difference between some of my small corrections and additions and the more substantive work of some of the other editors on those articles), and I'll take your note into consideration. Thanks. François Robere (talk) 19:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Theroadislong The last revert was not part of an "edit war", as the editor in question previously refused to discuss the changes and proceeded to revert on his own accord. If anything, that editor should be warned that "I don't like it" is not reason enough to revert another's contributions. Other than that - thanks for your involvement. François Robere (talk) 22:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Edit_warring#Thethree-revert rule You have already reverted three times. Theroadislong (talk) 22:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

As have several other editors, as you may see. If you will oblige and provide the necessary warnings etc. reminding of proper conduct on talk pages. My thanks. François Robere (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Bad Biology

Please stop your disruptive removal of the {{more plot}} template at Bad Biology. WP:FILMPLOT says that film plots should be between 400 and 700 words, and we need a complete description of the plot for this film. If you want to discuss it, take it to the article's talk page. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate, the film has no plot. That's the point. I'm almost through the film, and it's basically it - lots of sex, lots of dead bodies and discarded mutated babies, and one permanently-orgasming prostitute. It's not exactly Shakespeare, nor is it a soap opera with five twists per scene. You simply cannot elaborate more than that without actually disclosing the end (which would require about two more sentences, because that's that. That's the film. What else do you want there? A count of mutated babies? That would obviously contradict WP:FILMPLOT, which states that "The plot summary is an overview of the film's main events, so avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail". François Robere (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. The film has a perfectly legitimate plot. You are welcome to your opinion, and you can express it on a blog or at the IMDb, but Misplaced Pages is not the place. I will get around to writing a full plot for the film eventually, but, until then, the template should stay, so that other people can find it at Category:Misplaced Pages articles with plot summary needing attention. There are people, such as myself, who use this category to find articles that need work. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate I agree, and retract my previous objection. Please do fix the article! We're 295 words short for it to be a legitimate account of the film's events, properly representing the dramatic intricacies of multi-clitoral cunnilingus and proper binding techniques for 2' long sentient genitalia. The article would certainly not be complete lest we describe Batz's insecurities and animal growth hormone overdose. Please, take the time and fix it! François Robere (talk) 23:13, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Razdan - Geneology

Dear Sir,

after a careful study and being a Razdan, I discovered that Razdan originated from the Zoroastrian priest responsible for teaching the Zen Avesta (The holy text of the Zoroastrians). Razdan means "To know the secret or sacred words". Razdan's are Kashmiri and migrated from Persia, modern day Iran. The first iteration of Razdan comes from the god of the Zoroastrians Ahura Mazda which translated means Ahura - loving or light and Mazda - word. The priest responsible for teaching the Zen Avesta were refered to as the fharazdah. Later as the priest and religion migrated east and settled in Armenia, they grew Zoroastrianism and gained wealth and land. The Hrazdan river in Armenia, was given the name from the priest as the locals could not pronounce fharazda and instead pronounced only the "hah", this area was the second major known anthropological resting place for modern day Razdan's. Eventually as the priest migrated through the Indu Kush and established themselves in Kashmir they brought with them wealth, horses (aryans), and knowledge of ancient teachings of Indra (a zoroastrian god, not hindu) and fire ceremonies and were given the designation of Kashmiri Pandits or Priest of Kashmir. Because in India priest were brahman caste, these Kashmiri Pandits were also designated as brahmans. This history predates the census report of 1800s and dates back to the time of Zoroaster himself. Please correct the article. Razdan's are not Indian, and more correctly we are migrants of Persia and the geneological names and lineage clearly show that. I've seen multiple other places incorrectly refer to the census report and refer to Rajanak. Razdan still today means "to know the secret or sacred words".

Thank you.

Respectfully,

Rahul K. Razdan

Rkrazdan All that being said, I only added a space in that article... Whatever your case may be, you have to have it backed by reliable sources; your own research is not enough. Once you have those, feel free to edit that article. François Robere (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Mulliner

Almost two months back you put a tag on this disambig page (Uncertain dates) and created a lot of red links. Please would you tell me what caused you to do this. I think there may be a misunderstanding. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Not at all. First, look at the previous revision (diff). You can see I made a whole bunch of little changes, mainly formatting and linking, but haven't changed the content itself. Why link? Because it makes sense that every notable subject mentioned in the article will have an article of its own, and a link, even if none exists at the moment; in this case it's to the five companies mentioned in the first section (just five distinct links, which are repeated in the second section). Why tag? Because there are a lot of question marks Re: dates the different companies and people operated. In short, the article requires some attention from someone who knows the Mulliner family history and can clarify who operated where and when, and hopefully elaborate on the most important of these in their own articles. François Robere (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, red links are frowned upon. An excuse is that the editor that made them red is writing an article to which it will be linked. Are you planning to do this? Now about dates. I am something of an expert on Mulliner family history as an experienced researcher into these things. If it were feasible for a non-family member to find those dates I'd have found them. So I don't think your edits were the least bit helpful. I've removed the tag, your red links are for you to deal with. Otherwise your "whole bunch of little changes" are to my mind unwarranted but not significant. Eddaido (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Do as you please. Regarding dates: As we're dealing with registered companies, I would expect some information would be available at either a local or national archive (indeed, The National Archives have several records of companies by the name of Mulliner that existed in the relevant time period). The current state of affairs, coupled with the lack of sourcing for the "certain" dates (sourcing which should appear in the subject articles themselves, which do not yet exist), and the general lack of notability of the subject (ie. low availability of sources) justify an "expert needed" tag. As for style: A troublesome article is only half as bad when it's well-formatted. François Robere (talk) 22:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, give your hopelessly naive "suggestions" a try for yourself and its not an article. Good luck. Eddaido (talk) 22:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I'd appreciate if you encumbered someone else with your conceited and disrespectful tone. It is most unwelcome in this company. François Robere (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Using IMDB scores

Hi. Please see this discussion and this part of the film MOS. Thanks. Lugnuts 14:57, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Lugnuts, You completely misunderstand the nature of this reference. The issue isn't the IMDB score, but the politicization of it. IMDB isn't the source for this claim, but Wired. IMDB is merely the source of the current rating, following the process described by Wired. François Robere (talk) 15:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Here is the topic to reply to. Thanks. Lugnuts 15:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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Please revert

People editing in the I/P area are limited to 1 revert per 24 hours. At 2000 Ramallah lynching, you broke this iron rule, which is covered by sanctions:

• Ist revert 13:50, 3 August 2017‎
• 2nd revert 10:09, 4 August 2017‎

You have only one option which is to restore the text as I edited it. Secondly, I added an important note from a new source, and you cancelled out the key details, and the RS source.Nishidani (talk) 12:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah... not really. Only one of those is a revert. Regardless, try to avoid lawfare; if you want to argue on the merits or demerits of an edit, however, you're welcome to do so.François Robere (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Nishidani is correct here. Please read the latest here, especially the underlined part, Each editor is limited to one revert per page per 24 hours on any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If an edit is reverted by another editor, its original author may not restore it within 24 hours.

You were reverted, then reinserted the same material, within a 24 hour period. That is not allowed under the latest ARBPIA rules. Please self revert, or you will probably be reported, Huldra (talk) 13:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually his proposition was different than yours, but that's beside the point. You changed the rules only recently to protect against something completely different than the case in point (that is - ideological, rather than editorial disagreements); my edit was both warranted and accurate, and was reversed without cause; and now you're enforcing a new rule (of which I don't recall being notified prior to today), on a case for which it was not intended, in order to suppress a proper edit in favor of one with multiple factual, stylistic and semantic errors. No, of course I will not revert to that. If you're to engage the bureaucracy to shut yet another helpful edit/or for no other reason but the bureaucracy itself, you'd have achieved nothing but to reinforce our confidence in Parkinson's law. François Robere (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

What first caught my eye was the faulty grammar. You let this stand:

The 2000 Ramallah lynching was a violent incident that took place on October 12, 2000 at the el-Bireh police station, where a Palestinian mob killed and mutilated the bodies of two Israel Defense Forces reservists, Vadim Norzhich (Nurzhitz) and Yosef "Yossi" Avrahami who were taken into custody by Palestinian Authority policemen after entering Ramallah.

were taken must be written had been taken being subordinate to the simple tense of 'killed' and 'mutilated', giving the temporal order 'after being taken into custody' they were killed. This is elementary, and as it stood it was an eyesore.

The Palestinian mob of some thousand or so neither 'killed or mutilated': they did something just as bad, they cheered when shown the bloodied hands of one of those who committed that heinous act. I don't think I altered this, but it should not stand thus.

'Accidentally' is in quite a few sources. But it is not appropriate to a lead, and requires attribution, We only know that this was the official IDF version. It may well be true. But like much else, one can't assume anything in reportage here.etc.

I won't discuss this further, since the point is my change was logical, whatever its merits, and you shouldn't be engaged in wholesale cancelling without examining the merits of the changes you are blanket-reverting. So, revert. And discuss this on the talk page.Nishidani (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

1. The grammar is just fine. The different verbs pertain to different subjects, both active and passive, and are inflected appropriately: "The cat was taken to the clinic, where the vet treated it." Also see this.
2. "Mob" is an uncountable noun. By your logic one should say "some of the rice grains were tasty, but the rest were stale" when talking about a rice bowl. Anyway, I didn't modify that part - you did - so it's irrelevant.
3. If "accidentally "is in quite a few sources" and you've no sources otherwise, then it's good enough for the lead (and that's disregarding the common sense). Also, not everything in a lead needs attribution in the lead.
4. Your change was exactly that: wholesale cancelling, and that's exactly the problem: You undid my revision, which included multiple unrelated changes, then added some material of your own; and now you're arguing about the whole package rather than explaining why you undid my original edit. François Robere (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

You're edit warring, and will be reported if you persist, since you refused to undo your IR violation. Finis. Nishidani (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

This isn't "edit warring", this is "discussion". Are you familiar with the term? François Robere (talk) 17:18, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't discuss with people who don't follow the primary rule.Nishidani (talk) 19:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

"A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm"? François Robere (talk) 19:18, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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