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:] has reverted twice now (which is ]—which ]). Please explain yourself, AussieLegend. If your explanation is no more than ], I'm afraid you'll have to undo your revert—we write for readers, not the preferences of editors, and ambiguous writing is poor writing. Please refrain from inanities such as —which is both a ] and an embarassing misunderstanding of my stated rationale. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 00:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC) :] has reverted twice now (which is ]—which ]). Please explain yourself, AussieLegend. If your explanation is no more than ], I'm afraid you'll have to undo your revert—we write for readers, not the preferences of editors, and ambiguous writing is poor writing. Please refrain from inanities such as —which is both a ] and an embarassing misunderstanding of my stated rationale. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 00:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
::As demonstrated in the opening of this discussion, your initial reason for reversion was because you thought the word "adult" made the text look like it was porn. WP:EGG was only mentioned after I directed you to the link. I have already explained the link, we can't write "] ]". We have to compromise here. Your claim that {{tq|Links are for the convenience of readers who would like more information, not to clarify poor word choices}} doesn't make sense. The program is very clearly adult animation and the words used reflect that. As for edit warring, per ] and ], when an edit is good-faith reverted you don't simply revert, you start a discussion. You did not do that at all, you just reverted, leading me to have to start a discussion. Now that's out of the way, can you offer an alternative wording that still identifies the program as both ] and an ]? --] (]) 07:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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The rating is actually 14, which means that it's actually a teenagers animated sitcom. User talk:MattWorks 11:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I think this needs further discussion; could it not have different ratings by country? DonIago (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
The rating simply means it's not advised for children under the age of 14. It does not mean that it's targeted at 14-year-olds. Davejohnsan (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Earlier today the opening sentence was changed from "Family Guy is an American adult animated sitcom" to "Family Guy is an American animated sitcom", because the editor thought "this makes it sound like it's porn". If you automatically equate "adult" with "porn", that seems like a personal problem but the linked article makes it very clear that "adult" refers to "any type of animation work that is mainly targeted towards adults and sometimes also teenagers, acting as a contrast to most animated films and TV series being aimed at children." Since this seems appropriate I restored the content with the summary "I suggest you follow the link, which makes it clear that it is not". Without any attempt at discussion this was reverted with a direction to WP:EGG. However, WP:EGG doesn't apply unless you are one of the people who equate "adult" with "porn", which I doubt represents the majority. The program is very clearly adult animation and an animated sitcom, the former probably being a more significant aspect since it's clearly not aimed at children, but "Family Guy is an American adult animation animated sitcom" is not good English so this is a situation where we are forced to compromise since we can't split animation/animated. If we were to consider that WP:EGG did apply and removed the link to adult animation this would make the text ambiguous for the "adult=porn" readers so that would be counter-productive. Removing the text altogether is not appropriate because the fact that this is an adult (not porn) program is significant. For these reasons, unless we can find some way to reword the text that has been in this article for more than 4 years with no problems until now, I see no reason why it should be altered. --AussieLegend () 08:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I removed the wording "adult" from the opening sentence as it violates WP:EGG as "adult" can be read as "porn", and it would be unexpected that the single word "adult" would link to adult animation (said article even draws attention to the ambiguity with an opening message stating: "Not to be confused with cartoon pornography"). Links are for the convenience of readers who would like more information, not to clarify poor word choices.
AussieLegend has reverted twice now (which is editwarring—which AL asserts to have an issue with). Please explain yourself, AussieLegend. If your explanation is no more than WP:ILIKEIT, I'm afraid you'll have to undo your revert—we write for readers, not the preferences of editors, and ambiguous writing is poor writing. Please refrain from inanities such as "Your reason was that it reads like porn - that's your personal issue"—which is both a personal attack and an embarassing misunderstanding of my stated rationale. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
As demonstrated in the opening of this discussion, your initial reason for reversion was because you thought the word "adult" made the text look like it was porn. WP:EGG was only mentioned after I directed you to the link. I have already explained the link, we can't write "adult animation animated sitcom". We have to compromise here. Your claim that Links are for the convenience of readers who would like more information, not to clarify poor word choices doesn't make sense. The program is very clearly adult animation and the words used reflect that. As for edit warring, per WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO, when an edit is good-faith reverted you don't simply revert, you start a discussion. You did not do that at all, you just reverted, leading me to have to start a discussion. Now that's out of the way, can you offer an alternative wording that still identifies the program as both adult animation and an animated sitcom? --AussieLegend () 07:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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