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Khaled Sharrouf

Maybe Sharrouf is now dead, see my edit here. (fingers crossed) :-/ --220 of 05:45, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	For the team spirit, kindness and understanding you have shown to Aspie Deletionists. (And it ain't me ;) Zezen (talk) 07:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry ...

I didn't see you had already responded but then removed. Didn't mean to rush you. I removed my question (because it doesn't really make sense anymore). ---Sluzzelin talk 19:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Sluzzelin I did respond to your query re: Kingsindian. Do I now remove that response, which makes little sense without your query?E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Hah! No, I think it's fine and do think it makes sense to respond to comments made by people other than the OP. That was the only motivation for posting my query. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Rose Van Thyn

There is a current AFD discussion that might be of interest to you, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Comment: Super surprised you voted Delete. It is okay. Appreciate you responding anyway to my note. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 23:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

"Terrorism Guidelines"

Since there's not much to be gained by carrying this conversation on in the AfD, I thought I should comment here. I agree that NCRIME covers the purposes at the moment (and terrorism is automatically a crime, of course), although it's a relatively vague guideline at the moment and just boils down to "make sure there's enough RS coverage" as I read it. Leaving aside the can of worms about what actually amounts to terrorism, I suppose what I'd be hopeful of being able to thrash out would be something closer to the criteria at - say - NPROF or NFOOTY, where there's a definite series of steps to look at, and then an "if all else fails, consult GNG" rider at the end.
Agreed, of course, that any such guidelines would be a minefield to try and set up, not least of which because the definition of "terrorism" is going to be argued at every step of the way. It's probably more of a pipedream in that regard, so perhaps it's even a case of needing to expand NCRIME to make it more "user-friendly"? I just can't shake the feeling that it does nobody any good to have endless arguments about the notability of " Attack" in which the same rationales are wheeled out and those on each side get more and more irritated with each other each time.
Happy to discuss further if you feel there's any direction this can go, with the caveat that I'm not always as free as I'd like to be. Feel free either to ping or respond on my Talk page if need be. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:14, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack for deletion

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Nomination of Rafik Yousef for deletion

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Nomination of 2016 Magnanville stabbing for deletion

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Nomination of 2017 Queanbeyan stabbing attacks for deletion

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Nomination of 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings for deletion

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Not a ballot tag

It is to point out that discussion of that nature generally devolve into simply placing of votes on here. You yourself are a prime individual who does that. You turn up spew the same garbage about a news event being notable, without any thought, and you then go on a bludgeoning spree. The tag is aimed at individuals such as you. Sport and politics (talk) 11:27, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

ANI notice

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all your contributions and expansion of terrorism related articles. Hope you will continue. Greenbörg (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Well...

That is... oh boy... liberal use of bolding. TimothyJosephWood 01:13, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

• Typo. now fixed. It is a pretty obvious typo. An extra "'". Please WP:AGF.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Implications at ANI

Reading the recent ANI discussion concerning you, I was surprised to see you hold up Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dorothy King (2nd nomination) as an example of your good AfDs, given the slapdash sourcing and attempt to shut down discussion on display there. However, if you're going to imply, in a widely read community forum, that those who brought the article to AfD (i.e. me and the anon) are "editors with an animus" doing so because we "intensely hate" the subject, could you at least throw a ping in there so we have the opportunity to defend ourselves? – Joe (talk) 11:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

• I do apologize for my rudeness. I have been trying not to respond with snark and anger. And also to better understand the rules, including the ones that permit an IP address with non policy-based arguments to suggest deletion on an article's talk page (a page where it is asserted that IP addresses have been attacking the article,) and for another editor to act in good faith to bring that Nomination to AfD on the IPs behalf, despite the fact that the article was WP:SNOW kept some years previously in a well-attended AfD that strongly indicates where notability lies. Nevertheless, I have been trying to conduct myself calmly, even when under attack as in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Murder of Georgios Tsibouktzakis. And I regret that I did not so conduct myself last January.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

• Well thank you for responding. Perhaps it would help to see AfDs as opening a discussion, rather than an attack on the article or its subject. – Joe (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to send a short note thanking you for all of your work, particularly working to support articles brought to articles for discussion. We all have room for improvement, and looking over the discussion about your editing I thought, there but for the grace of God go I. I hope as a result you (and I) improve and not flag in our efforts. Smmurphy 16:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Congrats!

You made Breitbart. Drmies (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you, I guess. Unlikely that anyone I know (I mean actually know, not just on WP,) would have seen a mention of me on Brietbart. I have started articles on a pretty eclectic range of topics. But, as far as I recall, the description of my role in starting Antifa (United States), and trying to maintain a NPOV tone and balanced coverage is accurate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:00, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• That's what Marek is doing as well, he maintains, but hey, wrong publication--let's not pretend Breitbard is NPOV. You'd be surprised, I hope, if you learned what kind of shit I've been getting from various alt-right editors. It'd be nice if they could do without threatening one's family and publishing home addresses. Drmies (talk) 04:01, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

• Any particular reason why you didn't template the article for PRESS?13:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I guess I can expect even more fake Facebook pages with me telling lies about myself and attacks at various websites (such as Stormfront where I've been attacked). And I really don't want to get into discussing it anywhere here. Whatever I say would be taken down somewhere and rewritten. Doug Weller talk 18:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations, your battle against apologists for terrorism is finally getting some recognitionBachcell (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• Bachcell, considering the BLP-violating allegations in that article, your comment here is seriously uncollegial, and that is the least of it. I think it's real cute how you're being so vague (who are the apologists?), but you know you're being a coward. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
• User:Bachcell, User:Drmies, a question about templating that and other Breitbart articles as PRESS on talk pages is now at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Plano Terrorist Style Mass Shooting

Has anyone noticed a pattern of mass murders who in the course of appearing to target a classmate, domestic ex-partner or spouse or gang member also slay dozens of innocent bystanders for no apparent political motive? And how the same people who work diligently to purge Misplaced Pages of any coverage of Islamist terrorist attacks also try to purge terrorist-style attacks with no apparent political agenda, but use exactly the same weapons and tactics? You might have missed this on deletion of 2017 plano shooting: I was referring to the Notre Dame attack which people are trying to delete and reduce to a listing entry. This mass shooting is operationally identical to politically motivated terrorist attacks in Israel and other nations. The only difference is that the target was the shooter's ex-wife and there was no stated political motive or pledge of allegience to a terrorist group. In my opinion, such attacks should have the same coverage as politically motivated attacks, and indeed we cannot be sure of any clandestine motives hidden by what appears to be domestic violence. Violence against a wife does not explain mass shooting everyone in a home, school or shopping center unless his primary motive was to create terror by mass killing using his ex-wife to mask his real motive. Editors need to be watchful of coordinated attempts to keep such events out of media such as wikipedia which are excellent resources for studying terrorist and terrorist-like attacks. Terrorist attacks and mass shootings should never be deleted because they are "routine" news like car accidents, and guidelines should be revised so people stop routinely swarming to delete anything that looks like a WP:OBVIOUS-TERRORIST-ATTACK. Many of the editors above have also been busy trying to delete or list-ify Islamist ISIS inspired terrorist attacks Bachcell (talk) 13:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Gregory, I apologize in advance for responding to something on your talk page, but Bachcell: what the heck are you talking about? I usually disagree with Gregory's interpretation of pretty straightforward guidelines but at least he actually attempts to apply them. If you want all terror attacks (and I'm sure I know which ones you are referring to) to somehow be inherently notable, create an RfC. But when that is immediately rejected, can you return to applying actual policies at AfD. WP:OBVIOUSTERROR is both subjective and does not exist, except in your own mind.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:29, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

User:TheGracefulSlick, which ones are you referring to?E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk page discussion of interest?

You seem to be a subject matter expert, so you may find this discussion and others on that page of interest. Coretheapple (talk) 14:48, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

RFC Close..

Hi, Gregory,

Please sign your closure statement , executed at this edit, mark it as done by an involved discussant and remove the active RFC tag, (which has caused the disc. to stay on the radar of active RfCs).Thank you.Regards:)Winged Blades 18:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• Done, I think. Sorry.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Err....Nope, it's not fixed.Semi-randomly pinging Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi.Winged Blades 18:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

At your command, Megatron! -what's up, folks? I like the semi-randomness of my summoning either way  :) — fortunavelut luna 18:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• My incompetent template editing. I don't quite understand how to fix the close I botched..E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• span>]] 18:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Somehow my little device does not seem to have any intention to obey my wishes/fingers at the afore-linked RFC section.It would be a pleasure, if you could remove the RFC tag and put an unsigned template after the closure by Gregory. By the way, was preparing to sleep but your's pinging was just too good to withstand.... Winged Blades 18:45, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I see, should be sorted now. — fortunavelut luna 07:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Har Adar

If you do not self-revert your changes I will be reporting you to AE. nableezy - 21:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

• I don't know wht you're on about but, just go ahead and fix it. I'm logging off now.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2017 (UTC)