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Poster

Here is the first poster for the show, in case we need it in the future. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

And this looks to be the main one they are using now. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:30, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Other X-Men film series TV show?

The second line of the page is " It is connected to the X-Men film series, the second television series to be so." My question is which show is the other one?Mudtik (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Legion, as is explained in the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. I came through this(https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_television_series_based_on_Marvel_Comics) page in which Legion is listed as "Not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe nor the X-Men film Universe." And the source is an interview with the only common producer for all the X-Men films who is also producing the X-Men tv shows including Legion and The Gifted. So at least one wiki page needs some editing. I'm not sure which though.Mudtik (talk) 09:48, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

All the information here and at Legion is correct and reliably sourced. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

New logo

Following the SDCC trailer release, the series has updated their logo in order to exhibit the X-Men connection, with an 'X' visible in the new logo for the title. Whoever has the abilities and understanding of how to change this - should change it!--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Have you found a version we can use? I am keeping my eye out for one. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Here is one, but it has the premiere date on it; looks to be a screenshot from the trailer. -- Alex 12:08, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I think that one should work, Alex. Even though a release date is on it, it's more current than the one that is on the article page right now.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

When in need of the latest logo for a show, the show's Facebook page usually has it. -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I think I have uploaded the new version. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Fan Bingbing as Blink

I've removed the addition of this material twice now with the reasoning that a character's different portrayal in other medium is not german to an article on a series within which a character appears. The argument presented for its re-addition was"

"this is something pretty standard to note, especially with the connections between the show and the films"

There are a few problems with this reasoning. First, I see precisely zero cited connections between this series and the movie in which the character was portrayed by another character. If they are part of the same "shared universe", provide a solid, explicit reference froma reliable source noting that.
Secondly, reverting with the argument that WP:OSE is absolutely begging to be reverted. Just bc something exists in another article doesn't mean it applies to this one.
Lastly, I would argue that the addition of Fan Bingbing's portrayal - no matter how hot you happen to think she is - is simply trvial, as she is not appearing in this series. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

First of all, grow up. Secondly, being against WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to remove something either. Just because that cannot be the sole reasoning for keeping something, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said or taken into account. And thirdly, the article pretty clearly states that the series is set in the same shared universe as the films, in a section called "Shared universe connections" that also notes the film in question, by name, as having an effect on the show. There is nothing wrong with having a short line in an article noting a different portrayal of the same character within the same franchise, and in fact that is something I think many readers would find beneficial. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I've reverted you back. And there it stays until discussion is completed. As that is your last revert, I'd suggest you hold off on reveting for a 4th time.

The Bingbing stuff wasn't removed out of a OSE argument - your re-addition of it citing OSE was what was invalid. It was removed because it has fuck-all to do with the article. And as for the supposed 'shared universe connections,' you might want to re-read that section, bud; it provides you zero cover to create the connection yourself.

If readers have a burning, itching desire to know who else portrayed Blink, I think the wikilink to the character article is enough. You are allowed to disagree, as you clearly do. However, that disagreement - when reverted by others, requires you to come here and discuss the matter, not editwar your preferred version in.

And if you are wondering why you picked up some heat over this, I think tha tonce you are reverted, reverting a third time without a full discussion earns you a metaphorical thump on the head/trout-slap/whatever.

Stop reverting. Start discussing. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

You seriously need to check your attitude mate, because it is completely inappropriate. The article stays with the WP:STATUSQUO, as it has been since before it was even moved to the mainspace, while we discuss the bold changes that others believe should be made. My initial revert of your edit was made because what you did appeared like vandalism to me. When the edit was made again, I reverted with some actual reasoning. Since that obviously wasn't enough, I am of course happy to discuss the issue at the talk page, as long as you refrain from attacking me in multiple places at once.

I know exactly what is in the "shared universe connections" section, and it very explicitly states that the series is set in the same general universe as the films, and that it takes place in one of the alternate timelines revealed in the film X-Men: Days of Future Past (which is the film that we are discussing). Additionally, all of the commentary on Chung's casting in the series noted the connection between her version and Bingbing's, and we need to reflect those sorts of real world areas as well. That is two specific reasons for including the information, and the only reasoning you have provided for removing it is your personal belief that it has fuck-all to do with the article, which is fine for you to feel if you wish, but not good enough in terms of what should or should not be in a Misplaced Pages article. So unless you have some actual reasoning for removing the information, I suggest you take your personal beliefs and abhorrent attitude and go bother somebody else. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi... not wanting to get involved in the ultra-fun conflict, but I don't think a character's portrayal by another actress in another medium is relevant (again, this can be found from the character article that is clearly linked), at least not in the Cast list section. If you want to include it in a "Casting" section on the basis that some sources have mentioned it, maybe a case in that limited way can be made but Fan Bingbing is not at all involved in this project; her mention is inappropriate as the article is about the TV show, not about Blink and who has and/or will portray her. Also, just because sources may have mentioned it doesn't mean we must. The sources are writing from an entertainment news perspective; that is not the same audience/perspective for an encyclopedia. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I would agree with you if the other medium was completely unrelated and unconnected. But that's not the case here. This X-men show and the X-men movies are connected, so I believe it is a relevant piece of information to include. -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 03:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Sorry, Adamston.97: I couldn't hear you over the failure to AGF, "mate"; you got attitude after reverting the second time. ::::And the general comment that the films share the "same general universe" is not the same as stating unequivcally that they inhabit the same one. Got cite for that? If so, bring that; this assumption isn't going to fly. In either case, even if the series does in fact share the same exact universe as the film, you haven't presented any information as to why Blink is being portrayed by two different people. Ergo, its you, adding your personal opinion that the fac that the character is portrayed by two different actors is in any way important. If this is what you are aiming at, you are taking two different pieces of information and connecting them, as per WP:SYN; kind of a big no-no.
Now, if that isn't it, and you are just yearning to show that the character has been protrayed by another actor, we have the wikilink for the character, so interested readers can follow it to find out more information. This article is about the series, not the movie, and certainly not about the character.
It doesn't belong here. Maybe, instead of insisting you are right, you should probably ask around. That is, after you've dealt with the edit-warring complaint. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Ignoring the abuse, let me try to respond to your guys' points. The medium of the different projects is irrelevant. If an actor takes over a role within the same franchise, then at least a short line noting that is completely within the scope of a cast and characters list. I am not suggesting that we list every appearance of any of these characters before in any medium, just this one instance where the character has already appeared within the same franchise. And this series and the films are very clearly sourced as being connected in the article, whether you like it or not. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:10, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

My point was never that the series and films aren't occurring in some kind of a shared universe (although from all the sources I've read, this is a "loosely shared" situation): my point is that Fan Bingbing has nothing to do with this show. She does have to do with the character, that's true, and that's why she's mentioned in the Blink article. Maybe if the TV show were Blink: The Series such a mention would be reasonable (again, I would still argue in a "Casting" section and not the cast list, which should be for people credited in the work in question). But reference to her does not belong here unless she for some reason shows up in this series. And yes, medium does matter. We're not listing people who have voiced Thunderbird before in animated versions of X-Men shows (nor should we). The fact that someone else played Blink not in a previous TV series but in movies is trivia. For instance, do we list Linda Carter or Christopher Reeve in the cast list for Justice League, even though their portrayals of those characters are far more established and arguably more iconic than Gal Gadot's or Henry Cavill's? No. In fact, we don't even mention the previous portrayers in the cast lists of the movies in which Gadot or Cavill first appeared playing those characters... and in the case of the two actors playing Superman, that is in the same medium. Likewise, we don't mention that Grant Gustin played the Flash before Ezra Miller in cast lists about Miller's portrayal of the character. John Wesley Shipp is only glancingly referred to in the article on the current Flash TV series even though in addition to playing the Flash before Gustin, he has also played at least 2 different characters on the current show, including the current (TV) Flash's father. Christian Bale is mentioned as having played Batman previous to Affleck in the article about Batman v Superman... but only in the "Casting" section because there are reliable sources that have people involved in the new or old projects directly mentioning the connection. Your insistence on mentioning Bingbing so prominently here is WP:UNDUE given the subject of the article. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

None of those are examples of two actors playing playing the same character of the same universe. -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 06:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Exactly, more appropriate examples would be Cheadle taking over as Rhodey in Iron Man 2, the recasting of Tina Minoru for Runaways, or (for an example within this franchise) the new version of Caliban in Logan. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Wrong, yet again. The sources, as JoeyConnick has already pointed out (as have I) do not specify that this takes place within the same, exact universe. Since they don't, we don't mention the connect. As well, who the flying fuck cares that Bingbing played a role before someone else; that isn't the point of this article.

Now, if someone can point out how noting Bingbing's portrayal in another medium, in only a barely similar universe, is absolutely critical to an understanding of THIS series article, I'm all ears. Since no one has done that, even mentioning her outside of Blink's (or the film's) article is trvial and unimportant. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

The show is set in one of the timelines revealed in X-Men: Days of Future Past (fact). A character from that film is also appearing in the show (fact). That deserves at least a mention, if not more (similar examples already provided). The criteria for including content is not for it to be absolutely critical to an understanding of an article (that's just stupid). You will not get far by denying sourced facts and making up stupid regulations. And if you truly don't give a flying fuck, then why are you still here? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Your very first statement, "The show is set in one of the timelines revealed in X-Men: Days of Future Past (fact)" indicates that you are deeply misreading the actual statements offered by the showrunners. What was actually said (and I am quoting the source material used in the article):

“One of the great favors that Days of Future Past did for all of us is establish that there are many streams,” “One answer is that we exist in one of those streams. This is its own universe, we don’t exist in the same timeline as any specific movie or comics. But there are shared characters. We’re doing our own thing, and, as I say, there are many streams.”

So, while the series uses the "multiple time streams" method to justify its storyline, it is as connected to the movie as the different versions of Quicksilver existing in botyh the Avengers and X-Men film franchises - possibly even less so. Nix himself states that the series exists in its own universe. Furthermore, Kofi Outlaw from Comicbook.com notes Donner's statement at Comic-Con 2017:

"Donner was asked by a fan if Gifted and Legion could be part of one shared universe, but also doused that hope: 'I’m sorry to break your heart. No, but thank you for wanting it'...This revelation is a MASSIVE step back from the entire initial selling point of The Gifted, which was that it would be the extension of the X-Men cinematic universe that Legion wasn't."

Therefore, no connection between past portrayals and current portrayals (outside of the article for the portrayed character). So your "fact" that they exist in a specific timeline outlined in the film or is even connected in any way (outside of a MacGuffin) is utterly shattered.

Tons of characrers from the comics are going to appear in the series in one form or another, very much like what occurs/occurred in Smallville, Arrow and Gotham. None of those series note prior portrayals of characters from comics or films in film, and for good reason. They aren't important. Noting it is the very definition of trivial.

And as for your last contention that its "stupid" to insist that articles are better off avoiding trivial bits and should be written with an eye towards GA or FA status, I think that is the crux of our disagreement. I do not think that slinging trivial shit at an article to see what sticks is productive. You are supposed to add bits that make the article stronger, not bulkier. Your adding trvia about a prior portrayal of a character fattens the article, not strengthens it.

Lastly, I would point out that my choice of language shouldn't be interpreted as me attacking you, unless you do something exceptionally trout-slap-worthy. Take offense if you really need to, but it ain't directed at you, unless you provoke it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I definitely understand now that your foul language is simply an unfortunate part of your personality. And I am writing with an eye towards GA or FA status (I am reasonably experienced in that department). Your "proof" that there is no connection is simply the producers trying to explain to the common fanboy that this isn't going to be Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where everything is connected. That doesn't change the fact that the creator has drawn a connection between the series and the film. Regardless, this isn't really worth my time anymore. Though I do think the line should stay, it isn't going to break the article if it isn't there, so I won't make a fuss if you were to have it removed again. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

You say "unfortunate" but I usually get "refreshing". Anyhiow, while you think the creators' use of a MacGuffin to pigeonhole the series is a connection, the other showrunners have definitively said that it isn't. In any case, the statement doesn't help the article about the series. If Fan Bingbong should pop in as a n alternatve version of Blink in the series, that would definitely be worth a mention. Until then, its dead weight. Have a good one. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

This is a note to the editors involved with this discussion that the Bingbing info has been readded to the article given the two versions of the character are discussed together in a new interview with the showrunner. I am happy to discuss this further if you disagree with this decision. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:14, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Same objection as before: irrelevant to this article, available at the far more appropriate article on the character, and certainly not notable enough to be included in the cast list info. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:26, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

But why do you think it is irrelevant? The showrunner went out of his way to make the connection, unprompted, so he thinks it is relevant. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:35, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I think it's irrelevant because not everything a showrunner says about a series belongs in an encyclopedia article on the series. At most it should be mentioned in the "Production/Development" section. Or, you know, you could mention there was a previous iteration of the character (again, in the films, which—however connected they may or may not be—are not this series) and still not need to mention who played that previous iteration, because in the context of what you're quoting, what matters is that there was a previous iteration, not that said previous iteration was played by X, Y, or Z. The mention of Fan Bing Bing is clearly WP:UNDUE. The cast list should talk about the cast for this series, not the cast for film properties which are not this series. —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

But if we are talking about both iterations and don't mention that the film one was played by someone else, then readers could get confused and think that Chung was in both, which would be misleading readers who don't know a whole lot about this stuff when there is a simple way to avoid that—just say that someone else played her in the film. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I think thats the most racist thing I've ever heard someone say on here. What, you think the casual reader can't tell Asians apart? That's absolute fucking nonsense. This movie is not a follow-up to the X-Men movies. We have the show-runners saying this, in no uncertain terms. Put down the stick. Bing doesn't belong in the article. If you feel differently, escalate the matter. My mind is pretty much settled on the matter; your comment didn't help matters at all. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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