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6 October 2006

StarCraft 2

I beleve this was deleted out of process. The reason was r1 (Redirects to non-existent pages). I beleve this is due to vandalism and Grandmasterka never checked the history. Maged123 04:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Um... Of course I checked the history. There were a grand total of three edits. The first created the redirect, the second was a link fix, the third was to add a speedy tag. Neither of the targets for this exists. Grandmasterka 04:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• I've deleted Starcraft 2, which was consequently AfD'ed. Therefore Grandmasterka's procedure is correct to invoke R1. - Mailer Diablo 10:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahh. It looks like I must have made a typo in the deletion log. Sorry for the confusion. Maged123 23:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• It's okay. Please assume good faith on our fellow editors in future - it isn't a good idea to start off with "vandalism" on anything that doesn't seem to go right. - Mailer Diablo 05:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

VA-304

I don't understand why this was deleted:

17:53, 3 October 2006 Jaranda (Talk | contribs) deleted "VA-304" (2 red link diambig content was: ''''VA-304''' has the following meanings:*Attack Squadron 304 (U.S. Navy)*State Route 304 (Virginia){{dab}}' (and the only contributor was 'NE2'))

At Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive139#Possible runaway bot I explained why I created this and similar disambiguation pages:

I did not know that I was doing anything wrong. I was creating disambiguation pages for the "VA-X" style, which can mean U.S. Navy attack squadrons or Virginia state highways. I then looked at "what links here" for each and disambiguated the links. Some of these disambiguated links were red links, and still are, but could have become incorrect blue links had someone written an article on the highway and redirected "VA-X" to "Virginia State Route X". Was I wrong to do this? --NE2 20:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The question still stands. Was I wrong to do this? --NE2 03:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• I restored it, but it's speedy tempting. Jaranda 03:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
  • How is it "speedy tempting"? Is there something wrong with my reasons? By the way, can someone remove the speedy tag from VA 304, since the reason for deletion no longer applies? --NE2 03:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't quite get your argument, but I'd say that it's speediable under A6G6, as a dab page that leads nowhere. Are you planning to write those articles? ~ trialsanderrors 04:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Yes, I plan to write articles for all primary Virginia state highways. I don't see how A6 applies, since a deletion would not be non-controversial. --NE2 04:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Perhaps they've been rearranged, but on WP:CSD A6 points to G10 - attack pages. --Sam Blanning 12:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
          • Sorry, G6. ~ trialsanderrors 17:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn on good faith that NE2 will create the articles, but in the future it might be advisable to write those articles first - even if they're stubby. Themindset 23:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional overturn per Themindset. 1ne 19:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Burpee's Seedy Theatrical Company

I was notified about the speedy deletion of this page as it was created and recreated multiple times (a relatively common beginners mistake?). Further discussion revealed deletion and protection from recreation occured as a result of "a lack of notability". I am contesting the claim against the contents of the article and requesting that the article be re-established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMcDonaldII (talk • contribs)

• Well can you provide evidence for its notability? ~ trialsanderrors 23:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion pending ascertion of notability. Themindset 23:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted nn. Eusebeus 16:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Included here is an unanswered post that I submitted on a moderator’s discussion page shortly after deletion:“The issue of "notability", as it is by nature very subjective and qualitative, still puzzles me. If the organization at hand has been around for over a quarter century and has many alumns, some of whom are prominent figures in entertainment and academia, does that then qualify as "notable"? My concern still lies with what would make the article "notable" apart from what I have mentioned -- a detailed description of the group's role within the greater artistic movment as seen in many collegiate institutions in its beginning? A more robust explanation of the group's status within its parent university's academic and social life? It is my contention, and that of many of my peers, that the group is worth noting as an independant organization”

If an assertion of notability warrants a short listing of credentials, the following may be of use:

• Independent formation in 1979 puts group in contention of being the oldest collegiate purely improv comedy group in the nation. References, Denison Magazine Fall 2005 page 24 and Myself as a former member. See also My Mother's Fleabag and Comedy Corner.
• Notable alumni (abridged)
  • Steve Carell, Denison ‘84 (Actor ‘’The 40-Year-Old-Virgin’’, ‘’The Office’’)
  • Dave Gaudet, Denison ‘88 (Actor/Producer ‘’Comedy Sportz Chicago’’)
  • Tyler Korba, Denison ’97 (Actor ‘’Washington Improv Theatre’’)

Notability can then be inferred by observing that the group has existed long enough to produce influential members of the performing arts. DMcDonaldII 01:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• If those are the best "notable" former members you can come up with... I can certainly understand why it was deleted. Only one of those people passes WP:BIO criteria for notability, Steve Carell. If thats it, I'm going to be leaning towards Keep deleted sorry. Find some other actually notable alumni and perhaps i'll change my vote.  ALKIVAR™ 18:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• The evidence is pretty weak (as is the notability per Newsbank news hits), but a merge into Denison University might be in order. ~ trialsanderrors 19:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

More Notable Alumns as requested:
**James Anderson ’85 (former VP of public affairs for Carsey-Werner-Mandebach, current head of public relations for Cartoon Network)
**Stephen Carver ’83 (Actor, creater of Showfax Inc., teacher. Reference to work at http://www.imdb.com
**Charlie Hartsock ’83 (Actor. reference to work at http://www.imdb.com)
**Rob Andristplourde ’92 (Actor ComedySportz, Actor/Director Boom Chicago)
**Dr. Mark Evans Bryan ’96 (Professor of theatre, playwright, theatre historian at Denison)
**Kevin Hoggard (Founding professor/advisor, actor, currently at Cerritos College)
In addition to these alumns, does the group’s qualification as a contender for the title “Oldest Collegiate Improv-Comedy Group in the United States” provide notability?
Does "a merge into Denison University" refer to associating the article with the University? If so, I fully agree. The group is organized, managed, and performed by students of the Univesrity and therefore is a part of the institution. If that is not what is meant please explain what a marge would entail. DMcDonaldII 19:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• A merge would make the text of Burpee's a part of the Denison University article and would set a redirect from Burpee's Seedy Theatrical Company there, so that readers looking for information on Burpee's can find it there. ~ trialsanderrors 19:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• As I have heard no reaction to the notability of the Burpee’s Seedy Theatrical Company in regards to its age, can I infer that at least on that basis the group is notable?
• With regards to a merge, the Denison University article contains a section entitled ‘’Student Organizations’’. A link to the now deleted article was placed there when the Burpee’s Seedy article was initially set up. If someone were to look at the Denison article, see the Burpee’s Seedy listed under student activities, the link could take them to the information they seek about the group. Would a link to the Burpee’s Seedy article fit beneath that heading rather than including the information within the Denison University article? Many other academic institutions list notable student organizations. On Denison’s campus, the group is certainly notable as a group of student performers. Off campus, notability of the group rests in its age, community interaction, and alumni. The Burpee’s Seedy article would reference Denison as Denison would reference it indicating the reliance that Burpee’s Seedy has on its parent institution. However, The Burpee’s Seedy Theatrical Company is independent from the University as it does not received funding or guidance from university administrative powers. This distinction of independence from the university paired with its being embedded in the social fabric of the university beckons to a listing of the Burpee’s Seedy as an activity in the Denison University article with a link to a separate article entry for the Burpee’s Seedy.
• Is this a viable argument of defense in maintaining an independent article about the Burpee’s Seedy? As Denison University is notable, the Burpee’s Seedy is notable on campus; it can then be inferred that the group is notable within a description of Denison University. Further information on the group could be accessed via linking to a Burpee’s Seedy article without detracting from the primary focus of the article concerning Denison University. DMcDonaldII 20:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Amendments for the preceding argument in an effort to clarify notability of aforementioned alumni:

• Information on James Anderson and his position at Cartoon Network may be found here:
• Cinematic work of
• Cinematic work and bio for
• A link to Boom Chicago on Misplaced Pages and a biography referencing Burpee’s Seedy for
• A referencing a performance of a play co-written by Dr. Mark Evans Bryan of Denison University. DMcDonaldII 01:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Article about and his current work at Cerritos, referencing his contributions to academia including Denison University DMcDonaldII 01:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)