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Srebrenica article in need of vigilance

KOCOBO, Osli73, Srbijanković, Svetislav Jovanović, and Bormalagurski have all teamed up to do a major renovation of the Srebrenica Massacre article. Since they are working in concert, it is easy to make a single user go past their three reverts. It is not clear how administrators will see this. I will hold out as long as I can, but the original editors of this article will need to be vigilant if is not to be lost to nationalist revisionists. All of the above mentioned editors are from the WikiSerbia forum... whatever they call it. 128.253.56.185 22:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Osli's vandalism

HanzoHattori, Bosniak, Live Forever, Bosoni, Emir Arven, Dado, Haris M:

I would like to protect the Srebrenica massacre introduction from any further vandalism by Osli. He repeatedly deletes sentences from the intro that are accurate, true, relevant, and well referenced.

If we can all agree on the text of the intro, then it will become entirely clear to administrators that Osli is a vandal.

Please look at the intro as it stands now. It would be great if we could all leave it as it is now or quickly come to an introduction that we all can agree to. Currently, it explains in stark terms what happened. That is why Osli wants to delete the sentences. Make the truth less clear in the beginning, so that he can then throw in his “Defend Milosevic! Defend Serbia!” propaganda and potentially confuse some of the readers.

Please all take a look at the intro. Let’s all come to an agreed upon intro and let it stand. Then if Osli continues to delete sentences from the intro it will clearly be vandalism and if he continues, perhaps he can be banned. Then we can concentrate on the article and let our own differences of opinion be a source for constructive conversation and continuing improvement of the article.

What do you think? Fairview360 00:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Since youre interested in the uprising

Here's a site you might like, with emphasis placed on the Getto 1943 section, with information on Baltic collaborators. Pawel z Niepolomic 18:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

Khodzhi-Akhmed Kadyrov

Are you positevely sure that he is Akhmad Kadyrov? I asked this question on the talk and Russian board and nobody answered.

On Kadyrov's site or the author of the anthem is specified as Khodzhi-Akhmed but the Akhmad Kadyrov is always named as Akhmat-khodzha e.g. . Is it just a slopponess of Kadyrov's webdesigners or there is some meaning to it? abakharev 11:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

In English he's Akhmad-Khadji Kadyrov (or mostly Akhmad in short). Don't except too much from the Ramzan's website. --HanzoHattori 11:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. I turned the stub into a redirect abakharev 12:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Baranov and Khadzhi-Murat Yandiyev confusion and massed reverts

Hello HanzoHattori. You seem to be very confused about Bazorkina vs. Russian Federation court case. Baranov was not tried himself, and neither does this case have anything to do with war crimes (the European Court of Human Rights does not try war crimes). You should read the links to the news articles about the case before making further edits. Also I would recommend that you become familiar with the Geneva Conventions before making more unsubstantiated accusations and complete reverts. For now, I will revert your changes back to the last version of the article. If this sort of behaviour continues, I will press the issue with the moderators. Moonshiner 00:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Who you thik was held responsible in the name of Russia if not him? It was him on the video ordering the murder, not anyone else. It was a war crime, because it was commited during war. Yes, forced disappearance is also a crime (to be specific, a crime against humanity). Geneva Conventions - tell me about a one single case of a Chechen POW. (With the possible exception of what Russians were FORCED to after the 1996 defeat.) None (never any POW camps, and just any opposing activity a crime). --HanzoHattori 00:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I recommended that you take a look at those articles before, now I will say that I won't make further responses to you until you do. The defendant (not the accused) in the court case was the Russian Federation, not Aleksandr Baranov. Also, how can you claim that the disappearance of Yandiyev is a war crime because it was committed during a war, but at the same time claim that the Geneva Conventions don't apply? Russia is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions and therefore the armed forces must follow the rules of the Geneva Conventions during a war. So is this a war or not? Moonshiner 01:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Geneva apply, but the Russians say it don't. Because it's "not a war" (you know, the Second Chechen War). Also not an internal armed conflict, or even a martial law (declared only by Maskhadov), nothing. Oh, wait, there was an "anti-terrorist operation", "zone of a special operation," and some other Newspeak terms. Everything "finished" by now, several times already. Of course it's a war, but Russia is conducting it criminally and without looking at any conventions (not just Genevas). It's criminal from the start even from a point of a Russians constitution, because it's forbidden to use Army forces without declaring a state of emergency. --HanzoHattori 01:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Major changes in complex articles

So your changes to Soviet partisans and SP in Poland. Please be a little restrained introducing major changes to the articles and consider raising the issue at talk first. This problem, in general, is somewhat discussed here. TIA, --Irpen 18:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Talk:Georgian-Abkhaz conflict

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! MichaelMaggs 13:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Lora Prison Camp

Thanks for the edit - I've left fixing/removing that paragraph on the backburner for far too long ! Peripitus (Talk) 21:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

General Ettiquette

Hi. You should discuss changes that you intend to make on an article's talk page before carrying them out. Otherwise, they will just be removed, and you waste both your time and mine. Mihovil 22:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Ibn al-Khattab article mediation

A mediation has been started here concerning the aforementioned article. More details have been given on the article's talk page. Please respond there if you have any objections, queries or other suggestions. Thanks! Jsw663 19:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Soviet concentration camps

I've nominated above category for deletion, because Category:Gulag already exists and it is more accurate. Errabee 11:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I know, OK.

question

usually user pages are reserved for material uploaded by the user whose name is on the page. what is the reason you placed these links on my user page (and not talk page) and why did you place it there without comment?

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Sachsenhausen_concentration_camp
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Buchenwald
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Zgoda_labour_camp
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Central_Labour_Camp_Potulice
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Central_Labour_Camp_Jaworzno

thanks. Skywriter 22:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Because of your trolling in the Nazi concentration camps (now repeated). --HanzoHattori 09:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Violations of Misplaced Pages Policy and Ettiquette

Dear HanzoHattori,

You seem to be very new to editing on Misplaced Pages and inexperienced.

Perhaps you are not so familiar with Misplaced Pages editing policies that you do not know that all factual claims must be documented. You have removed the requests for factual claims on several Websites concerning Nazi concentration camps for which I have noticed documentation is absent, particularly in the history where the Soviets took over the camps between 1945 and 1950. The documentation is insufficient. I am researching in this area and find the lack of documentation to be not helpful to me or to other researchers or students working in this area.

Instead of addressing the problem of the absence of documentation, you have repeatedly attacked me personally, calling me a "troll" and a "vandal."

I wish to assure you, HanzoHattori, that I am neither a troll nor a vandal. I am a longtime contributor to Misplaced Pages, particularly in the area of history. I am at a loss to know what to do with your responses. I intend to revert your personal attacks and ask again for documentation. If you again revert these requests for documentation, and refuse to address the comments left on the Talk pages of each of the articles in question, I will ask for the assistance of an administrator. I do not wish to do this unless there is no other choice.

Again, I ask you to address the substance of my request for documentation. I ask you not to assume that readers know what you may or may not know, and I plead with you to stop making personal attacks on colleagues. No one can assume readers know the origin of facts unless there is documentation.

I would like to tell you also, in response to your reply above, restated here ---Because of your trolling in the Nazi concentration camps (now repeated). --HanzoHattori 09:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)---- that it is a violation of ettiquette to add material to user pages. It is customary to add discussion to user Talk pages, such as I am doing here. Please respect that custom.

Thank you for considering these requests.

Most sincerely,

Skywriter 18:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Go to the Buchenwald or Sachsenhausen museums, the Soviet Special Camp parts. Or just google for a "Soviet Special Camp". Then google for GULAG. Your "not-trolling" is the same as if some Holocaust-denier came and questioned just everything everything, because "there is no documentation" (yes, no links in the articles - it's just the common knowledge). --HanzoHattori 14:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Your personal attacks and emotional responses to requests for documentation are inappropriate and in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. Please assume good faith and do not assume demonic motivation when colleagues request documentation. Instructing readers to search for documentation is not a substitute for complying with Misplaced Pages policy to document what is in this encyclopedia. You are mistaken in assuming "common knowledge."

You seem to confuse the request for documentation as a "denial". They are quite different. Scholarship depends on documentation not assumptions of "common knowledge."

The NYT article, which I believe you added, states specifically that knowledge of the Soviet era in postWWII Eastern Germany is little known and incomplete. Skywriter 18:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I provided you the links. When in doubt, visit the museums, or ask the German or Polish governments (like, why they want to accuse Shlomo Morel for a crimes against humanity). I for one live several hundred meters from the former Central Labour Camp Jaworzno. --HanzoHattori 18:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

link to British

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out ] or ]. Regards, Jeff3000 15:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Your category edits

HiHH. I see that you are into a categ cleanup. Could you explain to us what's going on? Cheers -- Szvest 10:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

Cleaning up categories, adding new for the Arab-Israeli conflicts. It was a total mess before (in the case of Lebanon history it still is.) --HanzoHattori 10:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I see. So are you planning to create new categories? Does that mean that the categories removed would be replaced? Cheers -- Szvest 10:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I did the Six-Day War for example. --HanzoHattori 10:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be removing all instances of Category:Arab-Israeli conflict without discussion, and without edit comments. Why? --John Nagle 19:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Because of SUBACATEGORIES (or unrelated). --HanzoHattori 19:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Chechnya mass graves

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Please do not delete warnings!

HanzoHattori, please do not delete warning messages from your talk page. You may reply to them in the talk page itself if you feel they are unjustified, but deleting them outright is considered an act Misplaced Pages:Vandalism under Misplaced Pages policies, and you have already been warned in the past against vandalism due to inconsiderate editing. I have seen that you also provide very legitimate editing in other cases, so please just stick to that! Nehwyn 10:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

What ever "vandalism"? --HanzoHattori 10:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of your edits are legitimate, some are definitely reckless (read here), and your responses to discussion often emotional, but those are violations of etiquette, and do not generally call for a warning. On the other hand, modifying another user's userpage without his permission and mass blanking an article are considered vandalism, and you have done both (deleting warning is now a third, later occurrence). I can see that you are enthusiastic about Misplaced Pages, and I am sure you're not doing these things with malice, but merely because you did not realise they are not acceptable behaviour. Do not be discouraged, and do not take it personally; read the regulation pages in greater depth (perhaps starting from the ones I linked above), and I am sure your edits will be better received. Thanks, and keep up the good work! --Nehwyn 10:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

What "modifying another user's userpage without his permission and mass blanking"? Don't remember any. --HanzoHattori 10:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Respectively: User_talk:HanzoHattori#question and User_talk:HanzoHattori#Your edit to Chechnya mass graves. Nehwyn 10:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Geez. I did this article and then blanked it (yes, with my own permission). --HanzoHattori 10:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, HanzoHattori, please read Misplaced Pages policies before editing recklessly. If you had read them, you would have known that if you want to blank a page you have created (provided nobody else has contributed to it yet), you need to insert the db-blanked tag after blanking, so that it is not considered vandalism. And, since you have now created a new page with the same content, you may want to do just that: blank the old page and insert the db-blanked tag in it, so that the old, duplicate page gets deleted speedily, and the new page remains. This and many more interesting facts await you in the Misplaced Pages policy pages. If you just want to read Misplaced Pages, that's fine, but if you want to edit it... please familiarise yourself at least with the most important Misplaced Pages policies! Again, thanks and keep up the good work.  :) Nehwyn 11:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:BABEL

Could you consider using Babel boxes to declare which languages you speak? It would be useful for other editors to know if they can give you non-English sources or ask for translations.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Mogadishu

That was you 4th revert, you are in violation of the 3RR rule, if you revert to the previous version you will not be in violation, otherwise it will be dealt with through the correct channels. PPGMD 02:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)