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Help with BrianZ

BrianZ keeps deleting links on the atkins diet page.

He says he is editing them but following has been discovered:

BrianZ was a frustrated member of the site that he was removing BrianZ started a competitive site and tried to list it but was asked not to spam his site at wiki. BrianZ then started removing sites like his from the atkins diet section ... yet leaving regular spam there at times.

He has been doing this daily. I am not sure who to contact about a content dispute. I read the external links section and it seems like the page is allowed in the external links section. The page was added by an another person. It is not like I added it but just dont think it should be removed.

I have asked him to clarify why he is doing this but he doesnt. I dont think this issue can be resolved between us.

What would be the next steps?

Can you ban brianz or at least ask him to stop until this can be resolved.

From WP:EL Links normally to avoid: "A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article)". The official site seems to be listed, and the page being posted contains adsense. However, you are encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. Hu12 05:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hu12 this is not a site that I added. It was added by others. Is the issue here about adsense? I can remove the adsense if that helps things. It is not a commercial site just use adsense to try to help pay for the server costs.

The issue was that this site was included by others then continuously removed by brainz. can you please email me to discuss.

Thanks Hu12 for explaining the policy to him. It has been explained many times, hopefully he'll get now.

Here's the truth:

• I posted my site to the Atkins Nutritional Approach
• Admin Graeml deleted it
• After a mini edit war, Graeml explained policy to me.

note by Tommac2 --- he said you werent able to add your own site.

• I asked why other support forums were allowed and Graeml apologized for not realizing they were the same types of sites as mine.
• I became an active member of Wiki and edited, wikified, wrote many pages including policing spam links on the Atkins article.

• I then wrote in the Atkins article discussion asking for inclusion of support forum links like mine and the above users. The only response I've seen is the above user trying to make me look like I'm just deleting his and that I want mine included. (he's got a personal issue with me and I've tried to squash it with email, but it's obviously gone too far.)

--- who has answered it. No response because the other sites are not in violation. If your site is non commercial and was not added by you and is relevant then it can be added. If you are trying to add your own site so you can spam then it is not allowed. This is so clear brian ... please stop deleting the links.

• The user above, Tommac2, continued posting links to his site after Graeml and many others temp blocked his IP after several warnings.

--- I was never warned or emailed or told that this site broke any external link rules. My links were actually never removed by anyone other than you. the reason I was banned was because you posted that I was a spammer and a vandal. This is 100% not true. All I am trying to do is to re-add the link to the site that you unjustfully removed.

• I have the Atkins article on my watchlist so I delete them when they appear, so he thinks I have a grudge.

--- Just stop deleting them.

• This problem is resolved however. He created a seperate page for links, so we'll see how it goes.

Thanks for deleting his link on the South Beach Diet article. I actually left it there so he would see that I'm not the only one deleting his spam. BrianZ 14:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

More on External Links and Problems with BrianZ

Hu12,

The site was added by others in the atkins community and is a non commercial site.

Can you clearly state why this site is in violation of the external links rules?

Also until we get this resolved can you ask BrianZ to stop removing the relative links from External Links section?

Regards, Tom

This seems to be an issue on both parts, and really should be resolved on you respective forums in a discussion area privately and in a civil manor and not on wikipedia. Remember, linking to either of your sites in NOT an objective at Misplaced Pages. Creating a page for links will be viewed as a link farm, and is a form of spamming.

• From WP:EL Links normally to avoid: " Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to."

note forums...However..

• neutrality & point-of-view concerns, a primary policy of Misplaced Pages is that no one from a particular site/organization should post links to that organization/site etc. Because neutrality is such an important -- and difficult -- objective at Misplaced Pages, this takes precedence over other policies defining what should be linked. The accepted procedure is to post the proposed links in the Talk section of the article, and let other - neutral - Misplaced Pages editors decide whether or not it should be included.

All the best Hu12 18:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Holy Cow, Thank you Hu12 for putting it in plain English. Something I have failed to do. Hopefully, Tom will be back and read this but I doubt it. Anyway, thanks for helping to keep Misplaced Pages consistent. Note: I haven't posted my site (or had anyone else post it :) ) Since Graeml cleared things up for me. I apologize for the unneccessary clutter on your talk page. BrianZ 05:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Some link...

I assumed there was no reason for the link's removal - hence my reverting its removal. See User_talk:70.223.161.24 :) --Sagaciousuk 23:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read the policies EinsteinEdits

Hey buddy I'm not quite sure what your issue is but leave me and my page alone. I'm here to help, I fewel wikipedia is an amazing research tool, far better than google ever will be. I'm here to add to it, and contribute good links and watch out for bad ones that's my biggest pet peeve. I DO NOT need you babysitting or letting your head get all big with the power your keyboard provides you. I've done nothing wrong you need to worry about yourself, and all the millions of junk spammers on this site, as I am doing the same --Edited By a Professor of Life 00:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• What Misplaced Pages is not.... Policies here apply to your user page as well. Your user page is not a personal homepage, nor is it a blog. More importantly, your user page is not yours. It is a part of Misplaced Pages, and exists to make collaboration among Wikipedians easier, not for self-promotion. please stop spamming, read External links policy and Spam policy before you continue to add inapropriate links. Removing warnings from your talk page is considered vandalism, If you continue to remove content from pages, you will be blocked. Posing as an administrator is also against wiki's policy. your "contributions" tell it all. Hu12 01:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hu12 on what grounds did you reverse that great info page on tmx elmo? I find the site very informative, it has zero ads, or links or anything for sale --Edited By a Professor of Life 22:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't the case the first NINE times it was spammed on the tmx elmo page, it appears you have removed the ads from the site that you own or maintain, spamming is not tolerated. Please read What Misplaced Pages is not and the External links policy. the Link was obviously inserted to promote a site which is termed external link spamming. It does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article already has. Hu12 02:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

THE site is not mine nor have I ever seen it with ads on it. Who's to say the blog and video sites aren't yours? I think your nazi type approach to things is nothing short of abuse and disgusting. The site is a straight up information site and does not appear to be commercial in any way shape or form, there for being an informational site it is NOT link SPAM but you ARE in violation of abuse of power. You need to relax with your nazi crap nobody would gain a thing from that site being up there personally. it's a ncie little well done site with zero out going links, or ads. I suggest you put it back --Edited By a Professor of Life 04:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

new complaint

We have been watching a few sections closely and noted your rather aggressive edits without cause or explanation based on your own opinions not fact. While we are avid wiki supporters we do not condone these actions and are watching you. Nor will we tolerate these actions, your last few edits appear borderline abusive. If this keeps up we will make your time here very frustrating.