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view · edit Frequently asked questions To view an answer, click the link to the right of the question. Q1: Why doesn't this page look like black pride, gay pride, or Asian pride? A1: Misplaced Pages reflects how reliable sources treat topics and sometimes two semantically similar topics are treated very differently by sources. For example, compare misogyny to misandry. Most reliable sources treat the topic white pride as being most notable as a slogan used by white supremacists whereas sources indicate the other terms are used mostly to describe coherent social movements. Q2: Why don't we make the article about "white pride" as a concept or a movement like black pride, gay pride, or Asian pride? A2: The subjects of Misplaced Pages articles must be notable, which is determined by coverage from reliable, independent sources. The reliable sources found for this topic indicate that white pride is a substantively different concept from the others mentioned. The majority of sources discuss the slogan "white pride" and its use by various groups as being the most prominent use of the idea. If a coherent "white pride" movement separate from white supremacy, white separatism, or white nationalism actually exists, it is not documented in reliable sources. Q3: This page seems racist/biased/overly negative. Why isn't this page neutral? What about Misplaced Pages's policy of NPOV? A3: NPOV (neutral point of view) refers to how articles discuss a topic as presented by reliable sources. If the sources present a topic in a positive light, Misplaced Pages must be neutral and indicate that this is what the sources do. This is likewise true for negative coverage. Sources can be biased so long as they are reliable. Misplaced Pages explains sources, even if those sources take a "side". Q4: This article uses biased sources. Shouldn't we balance it out? A4: Reliable sources sometimes take sides. What makes a source reliable is not whether anyone thinks they are biased but rather whether they adhere to the standards that Misplaced Pages uses to determine reliability. For some topics, most reliable sources cover the topic in a certain way and Misplaced Pages must give due weight to that coverage. Q5: I found a blog/tweet/article that talks about white pride. Can we add it to the article? A5: Editors are encouraged to research the topic and find sources to help expand the article. If you find something you think deserves inclusion first consider whether the source is reliable. Secondary sources are often preferred to primary ones. Fringe sources are usually not included unless they are used to cite information about the source itself. Some people's opinions are considered noteworthy, especially experts on a topic whose opinions who have been noticed by third-party independent sources. When we include prominent opinions, we attribute that opinion to its author. Sometimes an otherwise non-noteworthy opinion or statement is covered by reliable sources, and that coverage can be included. However, not all opinions are noteworthy, even if the person is well-known. If you come up with new reliably sourced content or new sources that you think are reliable that can support text that already exists in the article, you can boldly add that to the article yourself or bring it to the article's talk page to discuss it with other users. Remember, Misplaced Pages works by forming consensus and sometimes bold edits are reverted so they can be discussed (read here about the bold-revert-discuss cycle).

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2017

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Compare description of white pride to black, gay and Asian pride titles and adjust so it is inline with similar titles description.

Change entire first paragraph to read: white pride is used primarily by caucasion people of European extraction to celebrate their history and heritage.

Source https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pride

Source https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white

https://theswamp.media/black-pride-white-pride — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B82C:A2A0:28BD:32F4:EC80:D478 (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Source first hand account by Jared Brown 2602:306:B82C:A2A0:28BD:32F4:EC80:D478 (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

see FAQ above. Jytdog (talk) 23:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Not in accordance with RS or longstanding consensus (see FAQ). Fyddlestix (talk) 00:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The disproportionate treatment of the asian, black and white pride articles is ridiculous. Looks really messed up. GregKaye 04:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see FAQ #1 at the top of this page. - SummerPhD 04:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

White power

I notice that white power now redirects here, which, as a slogan is probably even more famous that "white pride". If we choose to discuss this subject here, we probably need an entire new section, and there is a paragraph on the coining of that term in the white nationalism article. In my opinion, the other term probably deserves its own article. There are certainly plenty of sources to be found on it. jps (talk) 20:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@9SGjOSfyHJaQVsEmy9NS: These topics are so intertwined. I think it's okay to redirect here but it should be directly addressed if so. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. The question is how to do that. Also, why, then, should "white pride" be the main article? There seem to be more sources on "white power" which has an older provenance coming out of Lew Rockwell nonsense. jps (talk) 01:23, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

My impression is that "white pride" is simply an attempt to deflect attention from what most of those folks actually are, which is white supremacists. That's what differs it from "black pride", which was an actual movement to encourage African-Americans to embrace their heritage, not camouflage for the radical black power movement. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, although I think the claim that black power movements were somehow "radical" in comparison to other civil rights initiatives is mostly based on white media hype rather than reliable sourcing, I think I see your point that there is a bit of asymmetry. On the other hand, it seems to me that "white pride" is a reactionary statement in the same way that "white power" is -- a direct false equivalence "rebranding" of civil rights messages (just like white lives matter is today). The larger idea of white supremacist appropriation of civil rights movement words could work as an overarching article idea. jps (talk) 12:28, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

When I refer to "radical" black power groups, I'm thinking of such groups as the Black Panthers and SNCC, as opposed to, say, Martin Luther King Jr.. Sure, the media loves a dichotomy to play up, but I think there's no doubt that those groups pretty much defined themselves in opposition to King's non-violent integrationist methods. My basic point, though, is as you say, that "white pride" is a "rebranding" (in marketing and advertising they would say "repositioning") of "white supremacy" or "white nationalism" in a way that "black pride" was not for "black power": Black pride was a distinct movement. Sure, it had its separatist elements, but they were not predominant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:03, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure the categorical separation of SNCC from the SCLC is editorially wise, but this is a separate issue. I think I agree with what you are saying here, BMK, but this would then imply that we probably should write two articles or an another article which doesn't preference one slogan over the other. "White supremacists slogans" for example? jps (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Workshop

I have little to no enthusiasm for writing more about the subjects of other slogans, but as long as the redirect is in place, I'm afraid we may not have a choice in the matter. There were people here saying that they thought the redirect of white power to this page is okay, but that we should have some explicit mention of it. I don't see how to do that in a readable way. Would there be any objection to making a "white power" article or changing the redirect back to white nationalism, for example (maybe with an anchor to the paragraph)? jps (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

In my view the redirect should go to white supremacy. i looked at the history of the redirect and it has flipped a lot over the years. The best thing to do would be probably be to hold an RfC on the Talk page of the redirect asking what page it should point to; one of the questions should be whether the page should be permanently protected so that it takes another RfC to change it. How about that? Would be easy to set up. Jytdog (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Fine with me! jps (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Great. Let's see if others here are OK with that... Jytdog (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

An RfC on the talk page seems like a good idea to me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

New RfC

As per discussion above, a new RfC has been started: Talk:White_power#Request for Comment. Please comment there. jps (talk) 13:50, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

White pride Vs Gay/Black/Asian

Please explain to me, using proper arguments, how gay pride, black pride and Asian pride are portrayed positively, whereas white pride is portrayed negatively... — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoCy (talk • contribs) 04:07, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

 Nope. That's not what we do here. The explaining-sociology-to-you department is another website entirely. This talk page is for discussing improvements to this specific article. You are free to rifle through the discussions and the FAQ at the top of the page if you want to review the hundreds of times this issue has been raised and discussed before. Additionally please sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes like this ~~~~. Edaham (talk) 09:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

In other words, the FAQ and those "reliable" outlets are full of shit. Either they're all racist movements or none of them are. Anything else is nothing but plain hypocrisy.OSB95 (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. But that's not helping this article at all. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2017

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I feel that white power is wrongly represented and not held as acceptable as Black power or Hispanic power. I feel it wrong to be labeled to be racist where as the before mentioned isn't. Therefore I believe I should be able to make some changes to it. Watcher87 (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Additionally, Misplaced Pages reflects how reliable sources treat topics and sometimes two semantically similar topics are treated very differently by sources. For example, compare misogyny to misandry. Most reliable sources treat the topic white pride as being most notable as a slogan used by white supremacists whereas sources indicate the other terms are used mostly to describe coherent social movements. Nihlus 16:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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