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Posing as an administrator

EinsteinEdits This user has caused some problems on the spam front, but now EinsteinEdits claims to be an administrator... Quite a step up..thanks LOL Hu12 23:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the template from his userpage. Naconkantari 23:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

ec In the future, when using templated warnings, it is probably best to put them on the user talk pages instead of on the user page. Jkelly 23:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks Naconkantari much appreciated. Jkelly, seems Philosopher06 may have placed it there by accident instead of the talk page, I did not want to revert out the boxes, so i did a warning revert by hand. Hu12 23:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just checked this person's talk page and I noticed he has moved his talk page to User talk:EinsteinEdits nonsense and removed some warnings from his talk page. I restored these warnings and warned him not to do it again. When I explained to him that removing warnings is considered vandalism, he left this uncivil comment on the page. Seems like someone who doesn't understand the problems of what he's been doing so far. NeoChaosX 01:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

He posted uncivil comments on my talk page as well. keep an eye on this one. Hides under different ip's, heres one Hu12 02:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've edited as IP at times, there could be a very good reason. I don't log in at all from work unless I have to, as I'd rather not have my coworkers get access to my enwiki account on accident. At home, I've edited and clicked save, to find out that I've been logged out somehow. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 03:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems the problems with EinsteinEdits, who also posts as 64.12.116.203 have escilated regarding the blog and spam links on Tickle Me Elmo. This has brought more abusive comments on my talk page, the comments under "new complaint" by 64.12.116.8 must be friend of EinsteinEdits and has posted threats. not sure the policy on this, but some assistance would be appreciated. Hu12 06:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• After some digging looks EinsteinEdits is here to promote sites after all, here's his info. he posts as MountainLife at digitalpoint.com, and has recently decided to sell his site, quote: "Would like to field some offers for these, TMX-ELMO.NET, TMX-ELMO.ORG,TMXELMO.ORG, I think it's a pretty potent package". The first noticeable spamming was www.tmx-elmo.org, was Created On:19-Sep-2006, and does not appear in the search engines. and has been added and re-added Eleven times (,,,,,,,,,,) This is an alarming amount of spam, whats disterbing is his other sites are in MountainLife's signature, and have been spammed on wiki also examples: www.cocaine-drink.com ( under IP 205.188.116.133, under IP 76.182.42.121,, , , ), www.dieselsmoke.com (, under IP 64.12.117.10 and . www.nascarspace.com (, under IP 205.188.117.5 and here under IP 76.182.42.121 and www.nitrousdirect.com ( ,). Thanks for your attention in this matter Hu12 17:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I have zero affiliation with any such sites. I am here to try to help and your nazi type approach has made it virtually unbearable. I copied some user icons to spruce up my user page and made the mistake of copying a user admin icon. I apologize no where did I claim to be an admin? I asure you I am here to help and clean spoam, and add valuable links that I come across on a daily basis. I'm not sure why you think I am someone else or own sites but I do not. I'd appreciate if you laid off I'm trying to be apart of the wikipedia experience and your constant abuse and torment is making it very unpleasant to try and contribute--Edited By a Professor of Life 19:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• I see you removed your links from your signature since i posted this MountainLife. nice strawman tactic. Hu12 21:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Hu12 was referring to this edit where you added {{user admin}} to your userpage, which states "This user is an administrator on the English Misplaced Pages." Now, as part of assuming good faith I'll just assume you're an admin elsewhere and put it on your userpage by accident, but you may want to read the Misplaced Pages policy on external links before adding any more of those valuable links you mention, please. We thank you in advance for following the policies and guidelines in place at Misplaced Pages!

Oh, instead of {{user admin}} you might want to use {{User System Administrator}} or whichever appropriate other occupational userbox applies. Thanks! ~Kylu (u|t) 21:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

My apologies i copied a list of neat looking user icons and that was included. Again i'm sorry what is the issue that you can not understand that it was removed, not put back, and apologized for. I had no idea how user icons worked or userpages i thought it was your own place to list stuff. Again sorry. As for other comments I have zero clue who that person is, don't see any links, don't know what you mean by strawman but you guys are really going overboard I was simply contributing, and have no affiliations other than being a member on one of the message forums I found useful. --Edited By a Professor of Life 23:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for making the admin tag confusion clear. My point after was that when www.tmx-elmo.org was removed, because it had ads, the ads disappeared. After mentioning that the same group of links you have inserted and focused on here at wiki (www.nitrousdirect.com, www.nascarspace.com, www.dieselsmoke.com , www.cocaine-drink.com ) were curiously in a "signature" on another forum, showing their relationship to you, they too disappear after its mentioned. then my user page gets vandalized excessively, along with all but my contribs involving you. An amazing string of coincidences. A straw man argument is a misrepresentation of a position. Any way best of luck in your endeavors. Hu12 02:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Article on Jayalalitha

I've observed frequently few users like idleguy launches lot of personal attacks against her. She is the one of the political leader of India. They write about her personal life and quote references from gossips appeared in various magazines. They also mentions defamatory languages like that she is the concubine, she has child(though she is spinster)etc etc which are not relevant for the article concerning political leader. Could you please something to prevent such vandalism. Lravikumar 17:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be a content dispute rather than vandalism. Some of the references you blanked are from academic journals, Asia Week magazine, and several other sources. While unsourced material may be removed per WP:BLP, if there is any info from a reliable source, I do not see any problem. --Ragib 17:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I asked him to reply to this complaint and do not edit that section (Secret Personal life) until that. NCurse _work 17:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• It appears Lravikumar has mistaken me for someone else who might have indulged in personal attacks in the past on such articles. I saw that a certain user named Jjayalalitha had blanked the section in this edit and a couple of edits later I reinstated it and added more sources for the same. I reworded "conspiracy theories" which has an entirely different meaning to a temporary heading of "Secret personal life". I also provided credible sources for the "mistress" issue and can continue to point to other edits like this in the past where I've blanked baseless allegations whenever this article does catch my eye. I've even replied in the talk page previously here stressing that "Her so called marriage with Shoban Babu unless backed by a proper cite will have to go soon" and retagged the 2nd para talking about her alleged wedding as . I have given solid sources for the "concubine" issue and I can provide tons more if needed. (btw concubine isn't the correct term and was planning to change that until I was notified not to change for the time being) There has been no violation of any WP policies, especially concerning biographies of living persons. The contentious first para's statements are verifiable instantly, not original research and taken from multiple non-partisan sources. I suspect Lravikumar has not fully read the sources, half of which come from reputable Indian publications like for instance The Economic Times or DCRC, a Delhi University research center among other esteemed publications which cannot be dismissed as mere "gossips". Idleguy 18:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with your view. Any mention of derogatory statements like concubine,mistress etc to be avoided on living persons. You can get umpteen sources regarding personal life of notable public figures.For example,I can find 1000 websites which makes derogatory statements about Bill Gates or George Bush.(There is a website which even says Bill Gate is dead.Will you believe it?).If some website says person "xxx" is gay does not give authority for wikipedians to edit concerned person article saying that he is a gay quoting that as a citation.

Any personal allegations regarding illegal relationship,dating,sexual orientation etc on individuals to be considered wrong unless it is accepted by concerned person even if there is 100 gossip websites writing about it.I wish Misplaced Pages to remain as collection of knowledge not as a collection of gossips. If we allow this to happen then each article on living persons will be flooded with Junk personal attacks. Jayalalitha is a political leader. I don't mind if you attack about her political decisions/political life etc.I even wish to develop consensus on modifying Policy on living persons to cite my views without any ambiguity. I can argue that each one of your citation is from unreliable sources. I don't want to indulge in edit war.I hope you will agree with my points and remove concerned section.--Lravikumar 18:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You should have only blanked the page after a consensus was reached. More over, there is nothing called as Gossip Magazine. It is Magazine. And I don't agree with you calling all the sources as Gossip Magazines. You should note that the para is based on well cited sources, which no one in Tamil Nadu can disagree.

Point two. I disagree with your view that don't mind if you attack about her political decisions/political life etc Even that has to be cited and there should be more sources for that.

Remember that it is clearly given (in another article) that another Tamil Nadu CM has two wives.

If people go on blanking all that is not good about their favourite leaders, then we will have no articles in Misplaced Pages at all.

There is no policy in Misplaced Pages which says you cannot write about affairs. (Note that Sexual Orientation is different from affairs). See Princess Diana and Bill Clinton for example. Of course, you cannot write completely baseless affairs. But the para is question is NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH and should be maintained as it is well cited.  Doctor Bruno  19:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr.Bruno/Idleguy. 1) As suggested in my Talk page, I will edit only unsourced contents of the page till we reach consensus on controversial sourced edit. 2) Regarding your comments on sourced edit. a) I did not mean she can be attacked politically without citations. b) Having two wives is not derogatory term.(which is also accepted by biographer) Alleging affair is derogatory term especially when it is not accepted by biographer. c) Both Bill Clinton & Diana has accepted their extra marital affairs. So it can be mentioned. But same is not the case with Jayalalitha. d) I edited many pages of Movie actresses and other celebrities when personal attacks are launched against them. You can see from my contributions. Jayalalitha is not my favourite leader as indicated(I hope you also did not mean that Jayalalitha is my favourite leader and indicated in generic sense.I know you will talk only issue and not launch personal attack) e) Personal attacks on personal life are common against prominent public figures. They cannot see all news articles and refuse them. So unless otherwise accepted by biographer,we should not consider it as a source.(For example if you search internet, there may be 1000's of personal attacks against George Bush personal life. Do you think it gives right for any wikipedian to add such material in criticism or personal life section of George Bush). Jayalalitha herself launched personal attacks by using filthy languages against people like sonia gandhi,vajpayee,Janaki ramachandran,Advani etc etc without giving any proof. Does it give right for wikipedians to add such personal allegations in respective biographies. f) I have quoted relevant wikipedia policies on living persons in concerned article's talk page about why it needs to be removed.Pl clarify me if you feel that my understanding of policies are wrong. Thanks --Lravikumar 12:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

first i think u r in the wrong place. See above "This is not the Misplaced Pages complaints department." and your issue is about the content in which case again this isn't the right place.

Second, I urge you to go through WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:OR, the three official policy critieria which has to be followed in any article edit, especially biographical articles. All have been followed in so far as the offending 1st para is concerned. That is all that matters, really. I suggest you avoid unnecessarily complicating things. Thanks. Idleguy 13:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I hv come to right page. I came to this page to inform to administrators about editing incident.I read and quoted from above policies. You did not answer my question directly. --Lravikumar 14:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The consensus among those that chose to respond on this seems to be that it is well cited and there is no issue. I have made some changes and added another journal and Shashi Tharoor's article as source. Tx Idleguy 11:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

JarlaxleArtemis

If the requests at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/JarlaxleArtemis are confirmed, please block the IPs and/or IP ranges which banned user JarlaxleArtemis (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) is using to create his throwaway vandal accounts. He's recently been causing problems on User:Psychonaut and its various subpages. —Psychonaut 03:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This version of JA's page lists his numerous other-language user pages. I chose the one in French. There's no sign on it or its talk page that he's blocked. As I'm not an admin of fr:WP I can't check if he actually is blocked. If there's a simple way to protect other-language WPs from this person (and I really don't know), I'd recommend it. -- Hoary 08:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The checkuser requests have just been confirmed. If it's possible to block the IPs used by JarlaxleArtemis to perpetrate this vandalism and to evade his blocks, then please do so. —Psychonaut 16:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User:4.168.180.251 needs blocking; was established by checkuser and by user's own admission that it was being used to operate User:Kreplinnnn, an account created in violation of a community ban. —Psychonaut 14:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a dial-up ISP number and can't be blocked for more than 24 hours normally. If Jarlaxle is using dial-up to contact wikipedia he will probably hae a different IP address every time he connects to the internet. Thatcher131 17:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Highperformanceauto

Highperformanceauto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) seems to be a single purpose account with the intent to whitewash diploma mill Saint Regis University and defame physicist and anti-diploma mill activist George Gollin (who was called something bad, which I won't repeat, here and whose bio was prodded by the user). Tupsharru 12:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Would suggest giving them a warning first.--Andeh 13:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, did you actually read the attack against Gollin? This user is obviously no confused newbie; s/he knowns what WP:PROD is and how to use {{fact}} tags. People writing stuff like that shouldn't be warned, they should just be told to go to hell. Tupsharru 18:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The same person seems to be editing as 75.31.70.13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and has been warned by somebody else. It also appears that Gollin himself has now registered and edited as G-gollin (talk · contribs). Tupsharru 05:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Some attention from an experienced conflict resolver would be welcome here. Apart from the edit warring on both articles, it seems conflict external to Misplaced Pages has entered to a sufficient extent that all recent versions of both articles contain sufficient detritus to be unencyclopaedic in tone. Martinp 11:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Subtle spamming

I just noticed something that seems a little too big for me to deal with. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Linksearch&target=free-game-downloads.mosw.com&limit=500&offset=0 shows links to a particular game download site in many articles, 50 of them so far. The curious thing, having done a small random check, is that they have been added recently, each time by a different anon IP with no other contributions. Rather than just wade in and delete, I wonder if this merits deeper investigation. Notinasnaid 14:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow. They almost have to be proxies, don't you think? They're all over the world. Thatcher131 15:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• This looks like a job for the spam blacklist. And if those links actually do lead to somewhere where the games in question can be downloaded, that's bad news too, as most of them aren't in the public domain and still covered by copyright. Providing links to download spots for copyrighted games is shaky legal territory indeed. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's now 56. I wonder if it is actually a series of zombies, which would be an alarming prospect for the future. Should anyone want to investigate, cleaning up will make it very hard to track back so here is a list of the current 56 articles: Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards King's Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow King's Quest IV: The Perils of Rosella King's Quest V: Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder! Theme Park (computer game) 1943: The Battle of Midway 1942 (arcade game) True Love (game) The Neverhood Return to Zork Mixed-Up Mother Goose Below the Root Sanitarium (videogame) 5 Days a Stranger 7 Days a Skeptic Les Misérables Wing Commander (computer game) 3-Demon Prince of Persia AAARGH! Abuse (computer game) Action Fighter ActRaiser Captain Comic The Oregon Trail (computer game) Mario Teaches Typing The Incredible Machine 3 in Three 7 Colors 3D Lemmings Lands of Lore Pool of Radiance Abandoned Places Advanced Xoru SimEarth Wing Commander: Privateer Red Baron (game) Chuck Yeager's Air Combat 4x4 Off-Road Racing A.G.E. A-10 Tank Killer A320 Airbus Abrams Battle Tank Ace of Aces (computer game) Championship Manager 2 Ultimate Soccer Manager ABC Wide World Of Sports Boxing Misplaced Pages:Reference desk archive/Computing/2006 August 20 Jones in the Fast Lane Transport Tycoon Star Trek: Starfleet Command III Constructor (video game) Panzer General 3D Construction Kit 3D Construction Kit II Adventure Construction Set Notinasnaid 16:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• As far as I remember abandonware are titles that you legally can download for a certain period of time. While the patter is disturbing if this is true these links are actually helpful, however if its not true please inform me and I will help cleanup. --NuclearZer0 16:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  I found my own answer its illegal, I will start removing the links starting from the bottom. --NuclearZer0 16:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  Got to Ace of Aces and got tired, if someone can cleanup some more its appreciated. --NuclearZer0 17:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• All done.  :) -- Merope 17:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, some were missed, and more continue to be added (see the link in my first post). I've done a few more, but when will it end? The abandonware problem seems widespread: Ascendancy had three different links. Notinasnaid 18:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Category:Abandonware websites is interesting... Notinasnaid 18:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I see someone is hard at work keeping up, and I've added a request for blocking. Here is something that might be interesting: the editor or program is currently working through their PC games alphabetically, and at the time of writing reached Ecco the Dolphin. It might be possible to anticipate a couple of articles ahead and (a) try rearranging the page to see if a robot can be tricked (just to see if it's a robot or a human; all edits I've seen have been at the end of the last section, but before the trailing stuff); (b) stick a warning in, though someone determined enough to use a different IP for each edit isn't likely to heed a warning. I also speculate that the web site might be creating zombies as people sign up (ironically, the "free" software requires a subscription). Notinasnaid 20:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been trying to keep up, but I see you're right about the alphabetical thing. If they are only into the E's, this is going to be a long night... Satori Son 20:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• This needs to go on the meta:spam blacklist. Any meta admins around? >Radiant< 08:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Looks like Notinasnaid took care of it over there. Thanks, Satori Son 16:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I must be going mad

Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Stating the obvious
If I'm wrong here can someone please tell me where and why, because I can't see it myself. -- Steel 14:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is a situation requiring administrator intervention. --InShaneee 16:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Same here. This is more suited for the Mediation Cabal. Shadow1 (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ohnoes! More work! ~Kylu (u|t) 03:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

user: Chadbryant

• Chadbryant (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 65.31.99.71 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Twentyboy (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Type F. I have a suspicion that after being blocked for a week for repeated violation of 3RR, this user continued editing under the name twentyboy. My reasoning:

• IP 65.31.99.71's first edit to WP was to make a small stylistic change to one of Chad's talk page edits, and he started editing after Chad was blocked.
• Twentyboy started editing just after Chad was blocked, and started off by posting a message on the talk page of Chad's favourite article, the "Randy Orton" talk.
• After being warned by me for posting inappropriate content on article talk pages, Twentyboy started threatening me at User_talk:Yandman#Twentyboy, but forgot to log in for his last message, signed IP 65.31.99.71 .

I was told that this wasn't worthy of a checkuser, because 3RR blocks are not "community based blocks". This means I can't really prove they're the same, but the evidence seems pretty overwhelming. Thanks. yandman 21:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

For this, I would suggest you to report this on the Misplaced Pages:Request for checkuser, so some admin will take a look on this. Daniel5127 (Talk) 23:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No, they refused it, for the reason I stated. Does anyone have a clue as to what to do? yandman 07:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Tell them 'Type E', and provide links to the 3RR violation. They helpfully didn't point this out. Morwen - Talk 10:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not up to the knights to tell you what sort of shrubbery ;-) Guy 16:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Type E asks for 4 diffs showing 3RR violations by the puppets. He didn't break 3RR with sockpuppets, though. He broke it with his original account, and then made another one to continue editing despite the ban, so I don't think E is the right type either. It'll just get refused with the rather laconic "declined" tag. yandman 11:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Full Protection of Lidle Page

People are using the entry of Cory Lidle as a personal blog. Editing the page with each bit of "breaking news" and using present tense speech such as "ESPN is now claiming that..." or "The mayor of New York City is now saying...". Can this page be blocked from any further editing until the news calms down please?--Kester Teague 22:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is supposed to keep up-to-date. This is posted at the wrong place anyway. (see WP:RFPP) --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 22:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend against full protection for more than 5 minutes as this is a major current event. Naconkantari 22:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand it's a current event. But an encyclopedia is not a blog. I've never seen an encyclopedia that uses the present tense or has things like "ESPN is reporting..." and "The mayor is on TV now claiming...". Those types of things are for the article's discussion page not the actual article itself.--Kester Teague 22:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes but generally, that stuff is reverted quickly. General rule of thumb is to keep pages unprotected if they are listed from the main page. There are exceptions in extreme cases (Steve Irwin) but this is not one of those. --Woohookitty 05:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Nicole Sheridan

I found this article tagged with the "autobiography" template. But on the talk page there is no mention or evidence of her herself contributing to this article. What is the deal with this? UCF Cheerleader 01:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It probably means she is believed to have contributed under a username that is not here real name. Did you read the Discussion page of the article to see if the tag is explained? Johntex\ 01:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you read my post carefully? It would behoove you to do that. Thanx UCF Cheerleader 01:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. Either too much caffeine or too little. I've removed the tag since no justification for it was given. Johntex\ 01:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Persistent spammer

24.42.163.237/Picassoo has been adding his/her website (ottomanonline.net) to various Ottoman-related pages for weeks now. I'm not sure if this is a serious enough of a matter for the website to be added to the spam blacklist, but I've gotten tired of reverting, especially because of the fact that this user switches between editing anonymously and with the Picassoo account, which makes it more difficult to warn him/her. Any suggestions as to what I should do? —Khoikhoi 04:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If either of them edits again re-inserting the link, I'll block both of them the same length. Grandmasterka 04:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. —Khoikhoi 04:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh, didn't take long. Blocked them both for a week (the IP had been blocked twice before for the same thing.) Grandmasterka 05:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, that saves me a lot of time. —Khoikhoi 05:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks like he/she has returned as 83.242.153.70 (talk · contribs)... Incidentally, it appears to be an open proxy. —Khoikhoi 06:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

And again as 72.65.76.183 (talk · contribs), also an open proxy. —Khoikhoi 06:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Both blocked. I don't know how much longer I'll be around here tonight, I hope someone from the Eastern hemisphere can help you if this keeps up. Grandmasterka 06:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

New user

i just got onto my wikipedia and i tried to create a new article but as soon as i had done so i found my self with a warning over vandalism.The next day i turned on my p.c i logged on and found that i had been given a final warning during the night,the warning stated that i had vandalised agian and is threatining to block me! -- posted on Wikipedia_talk:Appealing_a_block by WeeAaron (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log).

It appears that this user was blocked for personal attacks, and all of his contributions to date are such (including his user page which I recently blanked) as well two articles that were speedied (Duke Street Firm and Ryan mcgowan). Ryūlóng 09:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit war at articles relating to Turkey and Greece

The same users that have been editwarring at Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are now engaging in an editmoverevertwar at other articles relating to Turkey and Greece. One example is Turkish Republic of Western Thrace and Republic of Gumuljina. My involvement at TRNC has been called into question, so I think it's better if another admin has a look at this conflict. Aecis 10:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• I think it's getting quieter. Some users were upset because a history merger was done that was poorly understood. I'll keep an eye on it. (not an admin though). Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • The problem is that it's not just that article, with that page merger, with that particular group of users. The edit wars revolve around more articles and involve more users. This is a chronic dispute, of which the article on TRWT/RoG is simply another expression. Aecis 12:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yep, we had a period of relative peacefulness about Greek-Turkish topics during the summer, but somehow it's been flaring up again lately. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Yes, that's right. We'll try to build a consensus on the talk page of Fut.Perf.. Fut.Perf. is trying to compromise the disputed issues in a very reasonable way. We, the wikipedians, will solve the issue. Cheers! E104421 18:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hahahihihoho

I've just indef-blocked Hahahihihoho (talk · contribs) for this, preceded by 3RR warning and a promise he will keep on doing it, just after he returned from a 1-month block. If this is not "exhausting community patience", I don't know what it is. Duja 12:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a defense but your dif shows him promising to follow 3RR not promising to break it. --NuclearZer0 12:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really. He has promised three reverts a day: "Okey, I will not edit in the next hours. But I will edit 3 times each day, you can be sure!" That would constitute disruptive behaviour and a violation of WP:POINT. Aecis 13:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't block him for 3RR, but decided to just warn him. I blocked him for the reply. The point raised by Aecis was just an additional factor. Duja 14:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I fully endorse this block and I'm pretty sure other admins who previously delt with User:Hahahihihoho (like User:Bishonen) will too. --Dijxtra 15:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to decline this latest unblock request -- clearly, the user has a history of disruptive behavior. Immediately returning to that same behavior, with phrases like "You obviosly cant read and understand english." and "Look, your dirty Yugoslavi doesnt exist anymore!!!" , doesn't seem like a good indicator to me. Instead of acting to solve a dispute, their efforts were directed towards continuing the problem and making it worse. Luna Santin 20:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Fine by me. I fully support the indef block. Joelito (talk) 20:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hahahihihoho is a nationalist POV-pusher. He's also a young user. There's something disarming about him, and he has in fact been extended vast amounts of patience and special newbie-consideration, especially by kindly non-admin users, in the hope that the penny would eventually drop. My one-month block was a last-ditch effort, where I explained to him that if he hadn't figured out the difference between a blog and an encyclopedia when he returned, he'd be blocked indefinitely. I guess he still hasn't. Support the indefinite block. Bishonen | talk 20:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC).

I support the indef block. There's only so much disruption the community needs to tolerate. FeloniousMonk 20:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Request of deletion of revission of article

A vandal made this edit, and then reverted it. The revision should I belive be deleted. _→AzaToth 12:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The schol IP in question has been warned 4 times, so should be blocked anyway. --Alex (Talk) 12:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Done, Aza. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

vindictive vandalism and threats by user

I was recently visited and vandalized by user:Laurentdion aka user:Yakusudo with oddball accusations, vague threats, and demands to remove all the user's "personal information" from their archives. I rv'd the comments, but here is the link : User:bucketsofg and user:Wildthing61476 have also been vandalized along the same lines. This whole thing stems back to his hurt feelings about deletion of a vanity page for a little-known and non-notable art project of his. Various users tried to work with him to a compromise solution but to no avail. He has not shown himself particularly understanding of what Wikipediais about or how it operates. I am starting to resent his periodic vandalistic lashing-out, which is boring and tiresome to deal with, and frankly, really really old news at this point. If admins could put their heads together or have a serious talk with him, it would be appreciated. Richardjames444 13:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• I remember this guy. I don't know - something about a guy submitting an article *about* himself, and then when it's removed, wanting to excise all traces of the fact that he did so... seems disingenuous. Almost WP:POINT-ish. Danny Lilithborne 21:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Embarkedaxis

Can someone please block Embarkedaxis again? He or she has twice removed a large portion of the Muhammad Talk page and material from the Muhammad article itself with no discussion or edit summary. This is exactly why the article is semi-protected right now. It seems that yet another block may be in order, IMHO. --ElKevbo 14:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours. NCurse _work 14:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Try reporting that on WP:AIV, next time. — Nearly Headless Nick 17:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Pumpkin

I watch this article for vandalism, but the last few days there's been some strange edit warring over lists of links to pumpkin festivals (which might deserve their own article, but these are just links). See the edit comments on the recent history for details. The IPs involved are AOL (probably the same user), so temporary protection might be the best route. --SB_Johnny||_books 17:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected. NCurse _work 20:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... the other user in the dispute is a good editor, and I didn't want to see him getting bad-faith accusations for 3rr vios. --SB_Johnny||_books 20:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User evading ban

88.218.52.237 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is evading a block on his/her account, Mywayyy (talk · contribs). The account was indef. blocked due to ban evasion and general disruption. See user's contribs, especially this one. Thanks! Shadow1 (talk) 19:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for 48 hours. NCurse _work 19:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Disruptive conduct

User:THB…

Has been repeatedly reverting edits of mine with the obviously inappropriate edit summary "RVV": , , , , , ,

Has refused to engage in a discussion of disputed edits:

• Talk:Telepathy#Recent edits and mediation
• Talk:Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal#"citation needed"
• Talk:Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal #disputed edit

And has made personal attacks against me by referring to me as a "vandal" in Talk page comments: ,

KarlBunker 19:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Disruptive insertion of unsourced, unencyclopedic material

User:Dr. R.K.Z is persistently adding unsourced, sub-sub-trivial, uncyclopedic material into Power Rangers, Power Rangers: Turbo, and Power Rangers: Zeo. His psuedo-information has been constantly removed, and he keeps edit-warring over it, and including abusive edit summaries . For the record, this user has a long history of disruption: for example, in the past, he has used Talk:Toon Zone as a place to stage personal attacks against the article's subject ( being a very good example), and he has a history of using talk pages as if they were message boards to discuss what he thinks of the article's subject, not the writing of the article (again, Talk:Toon Zone is a perfect example). jgp _C 20:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• He says there's "no such thing as too much trivia". :/ Danny Lilithborne 21:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User:GaryNigel

This users recent contribution Hong Kong Buttholer (including the edit summary F**K N***ERS) is unacceptably offensive. Please block. exolon 20:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked, and I have to say: You've gotta be freaking kidding me. Why wasn't this guy username blocked a long time ago?! I respect my fellow administrators a lot but this user was unblocked in July 2005 with the summary: "not a sockpuppet, just a member of a trolling group. If they actually cause problems, then block." Well yeah he's a member of a certain trolling group, that doesn't warrant an immediate username block? I'm really sorry, I just can't believe this guy has been around for two years under this username. Clearly not here to do much good. Grandmasterka 21:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit war at World Wrestling Entertainment roster

Over silly matters concerning names. One user thinks it should be Snitsky, while the other says Gene Snitsky. Also a war over Mr. Kennedy/Ken Kennedy. I didn't count all the edits, but I'm thinking at least one or two of the editors are in violation of 3 Revert Rule. I'm simply fed up with the problem (which has been going on for the past few days, as well as in the past.) RobJ1981 21:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I started to fill out a 3RR about it, but I realized how stupid this edit war is. You can request semi-protection of the page if it's really that bad, but there is no acute POV warring or modifications of large amounts of text (it's one word!). If I were you, I'd contact the editors involved and encourage them to discuss the dispute on the article's talkpage (which, coincidentally, hasn't been done yet). If things get out of hand, go for the red tape, otherwise, talk it out first. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 22:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I posted on the talk page, and told both users about it. We will see if it helps any. A 3RR might need to be filled out about this, they simply shouldn't continue to do it (without making a compromise: which they have yet to do). I somehow don't think it will help much, because there was an issue about this before...and it never got solved. RobJ1981 22:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Now a third user is involved with the war. I've told him about the talk page post, but he simply doesn't seem to listen. If a compromise is going to be made, people need to stop the editing and reverting of it! RobJ1981 22:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha, gimme a break, I'm trying to come up with a solution to the problem and you're accusing me of not listening. Choose your words a little more carefully. I actually (hopefully) convinced one user to stop revert warring for now. I am writing a proposal on the talk page for anyone who cares. — Moe 23:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Penetrating Fluid

...has been unblocked after User:Georgewilliamherbert explained to me that the term "penetrating fluid" is often used to refer to penetrating oil. If anyone else feels strongly about the username, feel free to reinstate the block. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 22:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Have reblocked following discussion on admin chan. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Giano II blocked

Giano II (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)

Perhaps he was upset by something he'd read. But this post on the 'evidence page' of an already overheated RfAr is simply unacceptable, no matter the provocation. Experienced wikipedians simply do not behave like this. I've blocked him for 3 hours to cool off - although I was tempted to make it a lot longer - if anyone wants to extend it go ahead.--Doc 22:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I definitely endorse this block. Before anyone complains, look at the diff. Kelly's recent withdrawal is no reason to overtly insult her, especially at a time when its hard enough maintaining any degree of civility. Bastiq▼e 23:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thirded. - brenneman 23:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• With the admonition that if Cyde had not copied the off-wiki attacks from the blog in as evidence, Gianno would not have had reason to comment on them. Some comment as to his behavior there is warrented. - brenneman 23:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Fourthed Aecis 23:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Why block? Is that the best method for solving issues on Misplaced Pages? Did you discuss your concerns with him and ask him to revert? --FloNight 23:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on. We need to say 'unacceptable' to that louder than just a note on a page. He's not a newbie that needs WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA patronisingly pointed out to him. He knows what he's doing - and the likely damaging effects the harmony of our community. A three hour block is very restrained, it is just a signal, he may even sleep through it. Yes, I have posted a note on his page. If he indicates any time in the next 3 hours that he's got the message, and sees the unaccptability of the post, then by all means unblock him.--Doc 23:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It's due to the nature of blocking being preventative, not punative. A short duration block is usually intended as a cooloff period. It's pretty much also the strongest signal that the community can give a user that certain demonstrated behavior is unacceptable. The idea is that with this signal and resultant cooloff period, it will prevent disruption through ensuring that there will not be "more of the same" at a later point (whether in an immediate or long/mid-term sense). With this diff, I really don't see a problem with the decision. --Crimsone 23:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am sitting here with my head in my hands. I thought we had all learned something during the past several weeks. Giano's post to the RfAr evidence page was inflammatory, untimely, and completely unnecessary. The resultant 3-hour block for Giano to "cool down," while well-intentioned, sounds in some ways like an echo or a parody. The arbitration case resulting in large measure from the last round of this, which I feared would wind up as a complete nightmare, seems to have reached some reasonable conclusions (save the ban on John Reid, which I find troubling and may bring before Jimbo). To all concerned, do we really want to start all this again? Newyorkbrad 23:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I thought we all had learned something from this too, but as long as Giano is perpetually incivil this is going to keep flaming up. The problem lies with him, not people trying to hold him to the same standards of civility as all of the other editors. --Cyde Weys 00:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Breaking news. Giano has been unblocked -- Drini 23:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Despite the consensus here, and without any attempt to discuss it with me or here, bishonen has seen fit to unblock. I'm not going to reinstate the block, but given the consensus here, I find here wheel-waring very troubling. I invite others to consider reinstating the block per the consensus here.--Doc 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Unblocked by Bishonen: Blocking the nominal centre of the RFAr for evidence added to the evidence page is not right. He gets to speak freely there. Excuse me? Is policy in abeyance on the evidence page? I'm stunned. Mackensen (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I posted at User talk:Doc glasgow before seeing this. User:Bishonen has also commented there. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The block seems to me both unmotivated (since Giano's edit was surely not the start of any kind of a rampage, it was one edit, on an evidence page, surely the place of all others where users may speak most freely) and somewhat provocative. There was no warning, either. I've unblocked, with a pretty full comment on Doc's page. I didn't realize it was being discussed here till Drini told me, thanks, Drini. Bishonen | talk 23:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC).

And you didn't think to post to my page, before reversing me? You think Giano needed warned that we have a civility and npa policy? Your wheel-waring is unaccpetable. I've replied to your ridiculous justification on my talk page--Doc 23:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Argh... I hadn't noticed the time stamp on the original post showing it was hours ago, and had presumed from the words "cooling off" that is was fresh. That is indeed suboptimal. In light of that I'd have preferred a warning and the chance to redact. But this post was well beyond what is acceptable. - brenneman 23:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Shall we add to proposed principles that Giano/Giano II is exempted from WP:CIVIL? That's the unmistakable impression I'm gaining here, and I don't like it much. Personally, before unblocking, I look to see if it's being discussed. Then I discuss it if it isn't. Then, only then, do I unblock. Mackensen (talk) 23:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• To be honest (as per the personal attacks userbox on my user page), I never consider that there is either a place for personal attacks, and there are rarely circumstances where they can be excused. Evidence page or not, that's pretty vitriolic. It's all well and good saying that an established editor won't take much notice of a "cooloff" period, but as per my previous comment, what else can the community do to send the signal? All the unblocking has effectively done is to legitimise what can only be described as unacceptable behaviour --Crimsone 23:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like some admins still don't get the idea that a "cool down block" is not a good idea... One could think that after pages and pages of discussions and explanations it would be the case, but looks like it isn't... <_< -- Grafikm 00:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

And it looks like some well-established editors don't get the idea that persistent incivility is unacceptable. What can be done? If he cannot control himself but blocking isn't appropriate either, what then? Can we just ask him to leave? --Cyde Weys 00:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No, the problem is with editors who think they can say whatever they want. If that's allowed to slide, we might as well abolish the civility policy or anyone trying to enforce it will be accused of having a double standard. Cooling off blocks can work. Blatant incivility, especially on an arbitration page, is never acceptable. Mackensen (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

If anybody has a better suggestion, I'd be more than happy to hear it. As far as I can tell, a cooldown block is about the strongest thing anybody can do with the exception of an indef or long term block, which would be inappropriate in this case. In the mean time though, should wikipedia really be turning an effective blind eye to unacceptable behaviour on the basis of whether a user is established here or not? If the user is established and thus knows the policies, it just makes such behaviour all the more unacceptable. --Crimsone 00:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

A few comments: First, undoing a single admin action is not generally considered wheel-warring and to call what Bish did wheel-warring seems inaccurate. That said, while I understand that one would want evidence pages to be closer to allowing free speech than other areas, I have trouble seeing how anything in evidence or workshops could require the need to be uncivil or make personal attacks. Unlike Giano's earlier comments that Tony blocked for, this comment seems to be a blatant violation of WP:CIVIL and therefore the block was arguably appropriate. Also, whether or not Giano was blocked earlier for a less than optimal reason is not relevant to whether this particular block should have been used. JoshuaZ 00:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I posted on Doc's talkpage and here on ANI as quickly as I could after unblocking. I'm not clear on why the order of my actions upsets Doc; please note that he himself posted nowhere before blocking—not on Giano's page, and not here. I undid his admin action; anybody's free to undo mine. I don't wheel-war. Now, I'm seriously asking if anybody thought that Giano's far from recent single post was the beginning of a rampage? We don't block punitively, or do we? Bishonen | talk 00:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC).

That does depend a little on the definition of recent though. The diff in question here was only timestamped six hours ago. --Crimsone 00:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'd say they're part of a long, sorry history of incivility that many of us are only too familiar with. I think he was way out of line–but I don't think he holds that opinion. I think he felt his comments fully justified. That's what troubles me. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure User:Bishonen is sorry she didn't check before unblocking. But is it is permissible for User:Cyde to post material like this to the evidence page (Kelly, apparently, calling various people "primadonnas" and "raving on spewing forth falsehoods") but not permissible for User:Giano to respond in the same place? (He said he had looked at Kelly's blog for the first time, did not find it to his taste, said he was grateful she had gone if that was the best she could do, and expressed displeasure at the nature of Kelly's comments.) -- ALoan (Talk) 00:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• You're confusing the issue. Kelly's comments were off-wiki, and she's left the project. If she'd made those comments on wiki I have no doubt she would have been taken to task and possibly blocked. Giano was commenting on evidence. There is no tu quoque here. He doesn't get to be incivil because somebody else was, much as sysops aren't allowed to block people who block them just cause they're annoyed. Mackensen (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

That is arguably different in that that is what Kelly wanted placed there (and we can't really block kelly at this point). Certainly some refactoring of that by Cyde might have been more responsible (or if Kelly considered that not an option, Kelly could have posted it on her blog and Cyde could have placed a note about it). Regardless, I have trouble seeing why Cyde should be blocked for simply reporting what a user wanted to say. JoshuaZ 00:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Look, I apologize if posting those comments was inflammatory, and had I realized that they would be taken as a blanket license for all kinds of on-wiki incivility I never would have posted them here. But I don't think it's appropriate to rationalize Giano's incivility by saying, "But Cyyyyyyde....". --Cyde Weys 00:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This doesn't excuse him in any ways, but... argggghhhhh... Man, you (and Kelly) effectively wandered right in swinging and pushing buttons there. Kelly could have logged in herself if she really felt she had to, and that would have limited the damage a bit, but now you're tangled up in it too.

The community is too big now. Admins have to avoid throwing fuel on the fire better than this. I agree with the original Giano block for his reaction, but what you posted was in the same regime of badness and was clearly provocative. Admins doing provocative stuff and inflaming a situation in wholy new, different manners is terrible for the project... Georgewilliamherbert 00:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Back to Giano

• Wrong, undoing a single admin action without discussion is wheel waring . But this discussion is sureal. My 'cooling off' block gets criticised (and, no I didn't look at the clock when I blocked him, I was the diff to a hot page and went 'WTF?' - maybe I should just have called it a personal attack block). But Giano seems to get a 'get out of jail free card' just because of a) we like the culprit 2) we don't like the victim. His nasty hateful attack was waaay over the line, and we should be sending out a clear signal that behaviour like that, especially from a well-respected and well-established Wikipedian, is not acceptable. No way, not ever, no chance. No we don't do punative, but we need to prevent this ever happening again, and if that means block to teach lessons, so be it. Now, look at what has happened, and please stop wikilawyering about whether my response was adequate. You can lynch me another day.--Doc 00:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  Allow me to be the first to stay that I'll hang with Doc. I won't claim that I've never been incivil, but I've always regretted it when it happened and made what amends that I could. I won't ask that Giano apologize, but I do ask that he consider doing his part to make Misplaced Pages a respectful environment. Is that too much? Mackensen (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  These are the words of a "well-respected" Wikipedian? Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with Misplaced Pages then?! --Cyde Weys 00:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  I can only echo the comments of those above (having pretty much said it all already) --Crimsone 00:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  There is a pattern here --Doc 00:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  Aye. Giano has a history of personal attacks apparently, and needs to stop. This is not purely punitive: clearly the user has no desire to stop, even when confronted with an arbitration. He needs either to be convinced to do so, or indefinitely blocked in order to stop it. The unilateral unblock went against consensus and was completely uncalled for. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Well, in light of everything said and the favourable concensus formed, along with Bishonens statement that she will not replace the block (on Docs talk page), the remaining question it seems would be that of who's going to re-apply it? --Crimsone 00:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Before we start saying that there is "consensus" let's let some time elapse. Obviously, there wasn't consensus if Bishonen and ALoan were against it. Second, before we start saying there's a "pattern," let's see where that "pattern" comes from. Lar is upset at Giano, who is upset at Lar, and the "evidence" has never been ruled to be accurate. Third, it is the heart of the "contentious Rfar" that "cool off blocks" don't work and aren't sanctioned. Giano was blocked for what? He was blocked for posting evidence to the evidence page, while Cyde and "Pizzahut2" and Kelly Martin were exempted from all civility rules when posting a blog entry to the same page that called several respected administrators all sorts of names and which attacked Giano to boot. Therefore, if you want to suddenly thin your skin and want to police civility on the evidence page of an Rfar, and if you want to appoint yourself Patrolman of ArbCom, then let's get with it and block all of the people who have been uncivil in their evidence. So, this comes down to the following:

1. Justification for the block? Civility where the civility policy either doesn't apply or where it has been waived by the attrocious and absurd "evidence" "on behalf of" Kelly Martin.
2. Validity of the block type? None, as the Rfar has demonstrated with its suspension of Tony Sidaway.
3. Validity of the unblock? I'll see your AN/I consensus and raise it with an AN consensus against "cool off" blocks.

Therefore, the blocking was inflammatory (and therefore a form of baiting, according to the consensus on AN and the Rfar) and the unblocking was to reverse that wrong. This has nothing to do with whether Giano was right for posting that evidence. However, that evidence page has a precedent for calling established wikipedians "trolls" and "prima donnas," so it's already a charred document and a poisoned well. Any further blocking to "cool off" would be another example of trying to provoke, in my opinion. Geogre 00:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposal CS600

Why don't we set a rule that anyone that is to edit wikipedia MUST register his/her IP number or numbers? Whoever does not have a registered IP number won't be able to change anything on the wikipedia. I mean, wikipedia is already big right? If we want to make it better maybe we should start sharpening our means to access pages.Besides that is going to discourage vandals and we will be able to track down the ones that mess with pages. User:Camilo Sanchez

The username and IP address used to make every edit is already recorded, so that information is available to certain privileged users if required: that's how Checkuser works. What would making the IP addresses of usernames publically available achieve in terms of disuading vandals? Gwernol 23:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

WeAreSmarter

136.141.2.76 has spammed several articles' Talk pages with the following message:

Please note the hidden comments. Does anyone have any verification that this is legit or is just mildly clever spam? It certainly smells fishy to me... If it's not legit, can an admin roll back all of this user's edits so an editor doesn't have to tackle them all by hand? Thanks! --ElKevbo 23:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted his edits. I don't know if they are legit or not, but the talk pages of articles is clearly not the appropriate place for this kind of stuff. Talk pages are for discussion on how to improve the articles only, not for solicitation to help out with other projects. Jimbo certainly knows this, so that's why I don't think he endorsed this particular tactic. --Cyde Weys 00:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Absolute revert: Forget whether the project is laudable or not, look what it says: "Misplaced Pages...invites you." No one speaks for Misplaced Pages, and "Misplaced Pages" is not a person who can invite anyone. That invalidates the claim by itself. It wouldn't matter if it were a link to Wheresgeorge.com or answers.com: serial promotion of any venture, non-profit, or informational page is absolutely out. Geogre 00:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Diana Irey

An anon. IP and/or MRMKJason (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are WP:SPA for a congressional election between Diana Irey and John Murtha(the anon). I tag as SPA and now the IP, 12.72.71.46 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is harassing and threating to block users. (Note: the ip changes, but has the same range.)

Note the Irey article and its talk were semi-protected a while back because of this anon. This IP is now POV pushing at the Murtha article.

Proof of SPA: 12.72.121.39 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 12.72.119.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 12.72.120.173 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 12.72.120.231 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), 12.72.118.239 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), and more on the talk pages. Arbusto 00:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages noticeboards