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::: O_0 thanks for mentioning. I'm fixing them ASAP.--] (]) 08:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC) ::: O_0 thanks for mentioning. I'm fixing them ASAP.--] (]) 08:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
::::RL, while most of your fixes were not as bad as (which left in a copy-pasted sentence and blanked a "failed verification" tag while actually making the OR problem ''worse''), it seems like all of them introduced new grammatical and spelling errors. Is all of your text either (a) in need of copy editing or (b) at least partly plagiarized?
::::And while "thanks for mentioning" is definitely a more cordial response than what I got last time I told someone off for copyright violation, it doesn't address the above problems adequately. You copy-pasted text onto Misplaced Pages at least a dozen times in the last few weeks, and that's just the ones I've been able to check so far. You have not answered any of the questions I posed to you. ] that this is not more evasiveness on your part and is instead a result of the manner in which I formatted the questions confusing you, I'll repost them in numeric bullet points:
::::#Do you understand that copy-pasting text from external sources onto Misplaced Pages is plagiarism, and is forbidden?
::::#Did you understand this before I brought this to your attention today?
::::#Are you willing to remove all the text you plagiarized in all the articles you have written for Misplaced Pages?
::::#Did you plagiarize your offline sources as well as the ones I was able to access?
::::#Did you plagiarize any text from unnamed sources, for example in the articles you wrote that cite only Indonesian and/or Dutch sources?
::::#Do you recognize that your repeated evasive lying (as you did when you claimed the meatpuppets you obviously recruited to help you copy edit your articles were just a mysterious coincidence, and when you claimed in the section just above this one that you were not monitoring my discussion with Titodutta on my talk page) will make it very difficult for other Wikipedians to take your word for it if your answers to questions 4 or 5 (or possibly even 2) are "no"?
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NITOUR building

Hi Rochelimit, Thanks for your attention. The source is the lost Fermont-Cuypers archive I did discover recently. I am writing a book now about the the works of Ed.Cuypers and Fermont-Cuypers between 1897-1927 in Indonesia and the works of the Fermont-Cuypers office realised between 1927-1957. The name of the building is not Singerbuilding but NITOUR. The opening was indeed in 1938. Others sources: Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad 27 juli 1934 Best Regards, Obbe Norbruis Amsterdam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obbe h. norbruis (talk • contribs) 16:16, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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There is a slight problem in the page which would require a merge of history and then a move. It will take some time to fix though as I need to first look at how to do the histmerge and move and then request an admin to do it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:22, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, would be nice to be helped on moving the page Wayang Kulit Indonesia into its proper name, just Wayang kulit. I'm planning to synchronize the page with the id.wiki article for wayang kulit, which is readily available.--Rochelimit (talk) 09:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks! So happy with the kind words :) @Insertcleverphrasehere: --Rochelimit (talk) 17:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: "ask someone else to do it"

When I wrote this, I didn't mean for you to get your friends off-wiki to come and help you copy-edit, which it seems quite likely you did given that three new accounts showed up and started proof-reading your work within 24 hours of me writing that edit summary. (This is also suspect, but took place before that edit summary so is probably unrelated.)

Please use on-wiki means like the Guild of Copy Editors, as it is more transparent; asking off-wiki friends and relatives to help you with on-wiki problems gives the appearance of meat-puppetry and is generally discouraged by the community. If you were only using English Misplaced Pages for WAM and were only trying to hit the four-article postcard mark that would be one thing (full disclosure: this was exactly what I did last year on French Misplaced Pages; I asked my mother, a French teacher, to look over my work, but explicitly told her not to edit the articles directly), but if you are trying to get the "prize" for the most articles created, and give the impression of engaging in off-wiki canvassing to do it, that can be problematic.

I'm messaging you here rather than opening an SPI because I genuinely believe this was a good-faith misunderstanding, and would appreciate your recognizing that this is not a personal attack or the like, but sincere advice (I say this because roughly 30% of the time I offer such advice it gets taken the wrong way).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: I didn't ask three "friends" to proof read. Just ask them, have no idea who they are but they're certainly very helpful (I better thank them now). Maybe they appear because of your tags(?) so I thank you for your reminders. After all the spirit of Misplaced Pages is to improve a work together in a good, proactive, friendly, and helping community. I truly appreciate all your reviews, although some of your words can be a little hurtful (yes I read them). A little kinder words should do the trick (and should certainly help reduce that roughly 30% of yours)--Rochelimit (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Them appearing on the articles because I tagged the articles would make sense, if they had prior edit histories and were regular Misplaced Pages copy editors, but they aren't. They are all brand new accounts -- so new that as of my writing the above they didn't even have user talk pages. I'll take your word that you don't know them, but I will not apologize for being suspicious because ... well, most good-faith Wikipedians would be given the suspicious circumstances.
I apologize if my words were hurtful. The reason parameters in my maintenance tags were meant, as something to appear in Misplaced Pages's voice in the main space, to be as neutral as possible, so I guess you're talking about edit summaries? Don't blank maintenance tags and you can avoid people reverting you with edit summaries like "Stop it". I have no idea what you mean by "should certainly help reduce that roughly 30% of yours".
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
You are allowed to be suspicious. However I recommend to have good faith because those assumptions of "3 friends" or "ask someone else", plus making that assumption as a title in my talkpage, what the..!? *head smack.--Rochelimit (talk) 04:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, assuming the above is a good-faith misunderstanding and not your deliberately feigning ignorance for whatever reason, your English is apparently not as good as I initially thought. The title of this thread is a quotation from my edit summary, and what I meant was that even though I had told you to "ask someone else" to do the copy-editing, I had meant for you to ask someone else on-wiki. There's no "assumption" of bad faith here -- I ask you to find someone else to do the copy-editing, and then within 24 hours three separate new accounts mysteriously show up and start working on your articles: most Wikipedians who notice somehing like that would immediately open an SPI, but I actually took the friendlier approach of asking you directly and taking your word for it when you said it was just a string of bizarre coincidences. Note that even though I said I am willing to take your qord for it in the spirit of camaraderie, most CU-enabled users would readily accept a request to check if you and those other four accounts geolocate to the same region if I presented the above evidence to them, so if I were you I wouldn't push my patience with sarcastic attacks like the above. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: Oh, since your grammar is much better. Maybe you could help me please? :) --Rochelimit (talk) 03:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I might as well ask you why aren't helping me do better than you in the WAM editathon.
Your being from an Asian country gives you an inherent advantage when it comes to shoehorning articles about your own culture into the WAM parameters, with my only advantage being that I'm a native English speaker. Would I be right in assuming none of your articles would qualify if you submitted them in your native language? The requirements that articles be properly copyedited and not be machine-translated assume people will do what you are doing and write articles on their own cultures in foreign languages, so I have no problem with what you are doing in theory, but you've got to be willing to do the leg-work yourself.
It's clear that, unlike some editors, you are at least capable of doing said leg-work, since most of the grammatical/spelling/other errors I've noticed are things you got right elsewhere. So your not doing so makes it really look like you are sacrificing quality (even the minimal quality standards of the WAM rules) in favour of quantity, which gives you an unfair advantage over those of us who aim for both.
All that being said, I'd be happy to copy-edit your articles once the editathon has ended and it no longer runs counter to my interests to fix them.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I asked because seems like you have the time and speed (since you are able to investigate history of others' articles and all) unlike me who is really busy with my 8-to-6 routine like seriously busy these days plus have to slowly switch to English mode at night to wrote articles, but noted.--Rochelimit (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't have that much free time. I set aside a certain amount of time to building Misplaced Pages, and preemptively girded myself for spending more time on it this month because of WAM. And regardless of the month I'd much rather spend my time writing articles than dealing with drahms like this, so I would like to politely ask you, one more time, to stop removing maintenance templates (or the "reason=" parameters thereof) and stop submitting articles to WAM that contain very obvious grammatical errors that you clearly know are grammatical errors and only made them because you were rushing and being sloppy. As I said above, I'll happily help you fix the problems with the articles once I don't have to worry about my copy-editing work inadvertently helping you steal the top spot in the WAM rankings from me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Noted and noted.--Rochelimit (talk) 06:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Dr. Tajuddin Millatmal

Dr Tajuddin Millatmal was born in Nangarhar, Afghanistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amins s (talk • contribs) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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WHY I DIE

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tava mama

tau galva sparde manes ten nebuvo as teve suradau ir supisau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.57.170.171 (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, how are you? Per ], "See also" comes above "References", perhaps you may have a look. Please let me know if you have question(s). --Tito Dutta (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Very clear. Thanks for explaining!--Rochelimit (talk) 05:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Verifiability

Hey, I was just looking over a few of your articles, and I noticed some serious problems with Ayudha katti, including text lifted straight from an antique collector's website, and said content falsely attributed to a different source.

Now, the former problem is generally treated as the more serious on Misplaced Pages (it can lead to whole articles being deleted), and definitely needs to be addressed, but it's the latter that I'm a little more concerned about here. I've encountered a lot of new editors who have trouble grasping that it is problematic to attribute content to the wrong source as long as it can be attributed to some source, so I came here to ask you if you understand this principle.

Do you?

Additionally, the only reason I was able to identify this problem was because this one article happens to be heavily reliant on a free online source that was linked to from the article, but most of the articles I've read are based on offline sources to which I don't have access, and many of them are in Dutch (a language in which I am not proficient enough to falsify encyclopedic content) or Indonesian (a language about which I know nothing). Providing accurate translations of factual claims from foreign-language sources is not a copyright violation if you cite those sources (they own the words, but you are not stealing their words), but if you cite the wrong sources, as you did here, that is a problem. I would ask that you go back and check that your offline sources actually verify the content attributed to them inline, rather than most of the content being in some way verified by at least one of the sources cited somewhere in the article.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning. I'll check it in 13 hours time, Monday's coming.--Rochelimit (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Rochelimit, I don't want you to go around following my edits and revenge-tagging articles I write, but what I really don't want is to have to continue going around tagging your articles as containing plagiarized text, OR, etc. This should not have happened after I had already informed you of the above. I implore you to familiarize yourself with our content policies. I am seriously considering requesting Dutch- and Indonesian-proficient Wikipedians check the rest of your articles for unverifiable content and plagiarism. One gentle notification should have been enough for someone who has been here as long as you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Also, you need to stop taking sources that say "This particular example of X includes Y" and extrapolate from that that "Sometimes, Xes include Y". This is WP:OR, and it is unacceptable for you to engage in it as you did in Naga morsarang, Bhoma, and possibly others. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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First sockpuppetry accusation wth

I feel so upset. This is not the Misplaced Pages I know. This is tackling each other in an uncollaborative manner. This is a bad faith. Misplaced Pages should all about collaborative improvement of articles, and not about pinpointing and highlghting mistakes.--Rochelimit (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what the second half of the above is referring to, but for what it's worth, I said you were either socking or getting meatpuppets to help you get the top spot in the WAM editathon. This is the same thing I said three weeks ago, so whatever it is it's not your first (that would have been when I did the same thing last month).
All that said, can you give me any hints on who you think might be trying to set you up? I don't think you would have created more sock accounts while the SPI was open; you'd need to be a complete moron to do that. On this talk page I see one racist troll, one troll who showed up just to insult you, and two or three more posting apparently nonsense messages, one in a language your user page doesn't imply you know.
Any idea who they might be?
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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I have recently been accused of some kind of crime called sockpuppeting, of which I have no idea what it is. But on the 3rd I made my first account on Misplaced Pages, with the hopes and dreams of making it better, since I know countless individuals who give Misplaced Pages a bad reputation for being inaccurate and unreliable. Shortly after I built my account, Misplaced Pages invited me to edit an article with possible typographical errors. It was an article on a magic book used by Indonesian Hindu priests to curse and heal people. Sure enough, there were a couple of errors, which I fixed, and then felt proud of myself for contributing something to the world for the first time. Then one day after I make my account, I get accused of this strange crime. I feel hurt by this and feel that it goes against my first amendment rights against libel (which is a legit crime) and have grounds for a suit. These accusations are completely false and I have no reason to believe I could be involved in such a conspiracy as described in this investigation. If this is the real Misplaced Pages, it is not the one portrayed on the internet, where you can safely edit articles. If this rant gets me blocked, so be it. But I have spoken my honest mind, and I am deeply hurt and feel it is a real injustice to be accused like this. Please express your opinion Rochelimit.

I have been conducting extensive research on one of my passions (earthquakes) and intend to drop three articles on recent earthquakes in western Nevada, Delaware, and Montana. I am sad to admit, but I will probably miss a requirement in posting an article, probably in referencing because the requirements do not seem totally clear to new users like me who want to contribute, but are not super sure about the implicit rules. I hope you understand. Thank you.Webecoolalasdair (talk) 21:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webecoolalasdair (talk • contribs) 21:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Webecoolalasdair: You should retract the content of the seventh sentence of the above comment, preferably by placing <s> before it and </s> after (which will do this). Please read WP:NLT for more information.
Rochelimit: It would be really nice if you would delete the whole comment and leave a warning against posting harassing or offensive messages like the above, rather than reverting attempts by others to remove them.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
@Webecoolalasdair: What do you mean by "Shortly after I built my account, Misplaced Pages invited me to edit an article with possible typographical errors"? How did Misplaced Pages do that?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I have just struck the borderline legal threat by Webecoolalasdair. The user tried to simply remove it without comment. I reverted because they can't remove part of a post to which there have been responses. However, in all fairness, I'm assuming it was a new user's attempt to retract the remark. Hence, my striking and this comment.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Webecoolalasdair (talk) 01:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)== Sock puppetry continued ==

I am making a new article only because I have not yet figured out how to comment on other people's comments yet- after all I am a new user. I did retract the seventh sentence of the first paragraph since I was not previously aware of the legal threats rule (thank you Hijiri 88). (update. I thought I did but it is still there. Help!) Ok I get it lol maybe I was overreacting a little, but the accusation came within 12 hours of making my account, which left me stunned. I do not know if I am getting blocked because of this whole sock puppetry thing, but getting caught up in this whole mess is definitely unnerving. What is sock puppetry btw I'd really like to know. However this new "invitation" issue needs explaining. So after I made my account, the first notification I got came within seconds of creation and said that "It is time to edit your first article." or something along that line. The article I edited was the Pustaha article, which was about an Indonesian Hindu book of magic. That is all I meant for the invitation. If Indonesian articles are some part of some kind of bigger SPA, I am sure I am not involved. I do not think it a big deal to me, but just thought I'd clarify. Again I am a new user so I still do not know all the features and rules of Misplaced Pages yet, just throwing that out there, in case there is something else I did or said that I do not know about that is controversial. I hope this can clear everything up. I do not like to make trouble, only provide information to the world about science and stuff (if you guys want to read my user page, that would be AMAZING) And, User Bbb23, this is your answer. I do not like to leave people in the dark and will explain a situation as best as I can. Thank you, and with sincerity and apologetics, I will try to resolve these issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webecoolalasdair (talk • contribs) 01:15, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@Webecoolalasdair: It's been so long since I created an account, I was unaware of that notification. Maybe it pops up for every account creation, even though it doesn't appear on a Misplaced Pages page. It does seem curious, though, why you would pick that particular article as it was only created on November 5 and is a little known topic, at least to most people. Socking is two or more accounts operated by one person in a disruptive fashion. That's a bit of an oversimplication of the policy, which you can read in full at WP:SOCK. Your account was alleged to be operated by Rochelimit. I thought there was insufficient evidence to demonstrate socking, so I closed the report without action. Hope that helps a little bit. If you intend to stick around, btw, please learn to WP:SIGN your posts on Talk pages. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


Yes, Bbb23 it was a notification, albeit a random article possibly pulled out a bucket. I apologize for all the confusion earlier. I have stuff to share with the world, so getting caught up with this "illegal" socking stuff (I have no better term) seemed real bad. I was just frustrated that within 24 hours of creating an account I get accused, then I get jumped on for being that frustrated, which frustrated me more, and the rest of this mess is history, I hope you understand. Also would I sue anyone? Very highly unlikely. I wanted to put a point across that accusing people like that, I felt at the time, may have been considered libel, as I did feel that I was falsely accused. I didn't know about the ramifications of legal issues, thanks again for bringing that up.

Also, I understand that you are an admin, is that correct? If so, I further apologize for taking up so much of the time you could have spent exploring the world on Misplaced Pages, or whatever it is admins do (I honestly have no idea). Also, I don't know what the rules are about this, but if you review my future articles, could you tell me what's wrong with the article instead of deleting it or before you delete it? Because I am sure I will be making mistakes when I start out. Also, how do I build a userpage that looks as awesome as you guyses?Webecoolalasdair (talk) 02:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@Webecoolalasdair: For what it's worth, I apologize for any offense/distress I caused by naming you in that sockpuppet investigation. I see see such processes as standard procedures that are done all the time on here for a variety of reasons, but I can understand it must be intimidating for a legitimately new user.
Thank you for retracting that part of your comment above, anyway.
Also, I hope you don't mind, but I've removed the heading from this section, as it looked like you added it by accident. Normally if you respond to another editor's comment, you do not open a new section. Once again, apologies for how incomprehensible a lot of stuff around here can seem to newcomers. The majority of the people running things have ... not been here quite as long as I have, but long enough that everything seems "natural" to them.
Even though even experienced editors can make mistakes. Honestly, at this point I'm thinking that what probably happened was that when you creater your account you received a notification directing you to improve a random article out of the articles that had recently been tagged as having problems, which is problematic for a bunch of reasons that aren't your fault and I intend to get to the bottom of it if that is what is happening. One of the problems is that when a new account shows up on an article that has just been tagged, it looks likethat account was created by someone who was already editing the article beforehand. This is what led me to name you in the recently-closed sockpuppet investigation.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:21, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
@Webecoolalasdair: please don't be discouraged to edit in Misplaced Pages. Sometimes you get crazy accusation cases like what I just had but just focus on what you love. If you are good (which most Wikipedians are) you'll do good. If you have questions please ask. :)--Rochelimit (talk) 13:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Rochelimit, please drop it already. Other users, who had nothing to do with WAM, shared my suspicions, so there was nothing "crazy" about them, and if you question other users' mental states again you can expect to be reported to the admin corps. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Weird English WAM 2017

There's definitely a weird thing going on specifically in the English WAM 2017. Be it a developed bot, or other kinds of mechanism, should be fine with me as long as it improves Wiki. Kinda exhausting though with all the following unnecessary dramas.--Rochelimit (talk) 12:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Rochelimit, please drop it already. Other users, who had nothing to do with WAM, shared my suspicions, so there was nothing "crazy" about them, and if you question other users' mental states again you can expect to be reported to the admin corps. And if you have been ignoring the rules of WAM, which require proper copy editing, until someone tags your articles, that's no one's fault but your own. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that you may be talking about one of the many weird glitches in the system. In future, please refrain from making repeated, unjustified accusations of bad faith, as it makes your other comments more difficult to read in good faith. Everything I have stricken above would have made perfect sense in response to most of your recent remarks directed at me, just possibly not the above one that I now suspect, based on external factors, was not about me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Sure. And for you, in the future, please refrain from jumping to conclusions too quickly. Try to be wiser in your use of words because Misplaced Pages is used internationally by people from different cultures from countries you probably will never visit. You might come up as attacking if you're not careful with how you quote your words. I believe in kindness and good karma, you probably should. Perhaps then people will stop thinking that you're attacking or hurting or inciting something, which I believe you don't.--Rochelimit (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Meh.
"jumping to conclusions too quickly" is not what I did, but explaining why would make this look belligerent, so collapsing to make sure no one takes this as the "main point" of my reply.

I didn't jump to any quick conclusions: I carefully analyzed a problem, and several other highly experienced users (including on SPI clerk and one CU-enabled admin) agreed with me, but no one was blocked because (even if my conclusion was correct) neither you nor any of the other accounts would have violated a policy or guideline, just inappropriately circumvented the rules of an informal editathon. And (apparently?) CU is only performed when someone is going to get blocked if it comes up positive, which was never going to be the case with you (and I was explicit that that wasn't what I expected or wanted).

But that's all water under the bridge. Let's both do our best in next year's WAM as well! (Although if Women In Red is on again I might prioritize that one instead anyway.)
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Webecoolalasdair sockpuppeting

Look, I know this isn't the way to comment but until I find out another way, I am liable to stick with this. Help lol. Also, Hijiri 88, thanks for going out of your way and explaining all of this for me it's been a great help. Second, I did change my username because it sees a bit too revealing. Thank you for all you have done. My apologies for taking this so personally and screwing us all over with two whole days of time that could have been used a lot wiser. Weebeecool (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebeecool (talk • contribs) 01:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Weebeecool: In the future, you should create your own subject on your own talkpage instead of here (it's mine! lol). Also don't forget to sign your name using four tildes (~~~~), which should produce your username and the date after your post automatically. You can also ping another user by typing {{ping|xxxxxxx}}, replace the x with the user's name. If you ping them in your own talkpage, they will receive notification, so they will check yours.--Rochelimit (talk) 15:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Weebeecool: Oh yeah, please post that earthquake articles you are planning to add into Wiki, preferably with photos!--Rochelimit (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Stop hounding me

I would use Template:Uw-harass3 here (your recent behaviour, which includes posting polemics about me on your talk page, repeatedly impugning my good faith, and going around placing unnecessary maintenance tags on more than a half-dozen articles I wrote, definitely warrants it), but I'm a big believer in WP:DTTR.

Please stop hounding me. It would be one thing if I was being a "sore loser" and going around tagging yoir articles because you got the top spot in WAM this year (I don't actually care enough about the contest to do that anyway, but at least if I did one might be expected to understand my motivations), but you did get the top spot, so what motivation you could possibly have to start hounding the user who came in second is beyond me.

Your recent behaviour is simply unacceptable, and if I asked on ANI for you to be blocked you probably would be. Give me your word that you will drop this hounding campaign, and I will not do that. Also pinging User:Bbb23, who notified you of the SPI but apparently didn't think to remind you that SPI is a normal Misplaced Pages process and I had reasonable, good-faith reasons for doing what I did (I don't blame him -- that's not something he should have to remind people of), and User:Titodutta, who first brought up the "issue" of a number of my articles only including inline citations of one source (which is better than most articles on classical Japanese literature, which cite no sources) and alluded to Template:One source, which is clearly what gave you the idea to make your most recent string of edits. Again, neither of them can be blamed for where you went with the things they wrote or did not write, and I don't want to blame them: it would just be helpful if they would help me remind you that your last nine edits are not conducive to a collaborative encyclopedia.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi @Hijiri88:. I'm sorry if you felt attacked or hounded, but I'm just merely tagging Textual tradition of The Tale of Genji because I am curious what's the meaning of the 尋求所々、雖見合諸本、猶狼藉未散不審 note. It would be nice if you could add at least do the translation, given you are fluent in your Nihongo. As for the other articles, there's no harm in adding "one source" tag. Because this reminder will invite people to fix the article for the better. Besides, the article is not "your" article, but it's "our" article. Tag like this will actually improve the article, like when you tag the Indonesian articles I introduced, which results in a wave of new usernames fixing and improving the articles.--Rochelimit (talk) 12:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The content of that quotation, which appears in a footnote, is clearly elaborated on in the article text to which the footnote is attached. Your not having noticed this makes it doubly clear that you did not read through the article and decide that it had a serious problem that merited tagging. In fact, a closer reading would have told you that the quotation was not in Japanese, but Chinese (meaning the tag you added contained misleading information about the topic of the article).
Anyway, I know it's not "my article", and if I used that kind of language above or elsewhere (outside of scare-quotes), I meant it merely as shorthand for "an article I created and to which I am the only significant contributor", as well as to draw attention to the fact that you didn't have an interest in Japanese Textkritik, happen across one of our articles and figure it had a problem that needed tagging -- you went after that article specifically because it was written by me.
Anyway, your tag did not improve the article: a direct translation of a footnoted quotation whose content is already elaborated on inline would be unnecessary and redundant at best, and your tag directly claiming the quotation was (a) a part of the text of our article rather than a quotation from a medieval primary source and (b) written in Japanese, certainly did not improve the article. And trying to attract "a wave of new " who are unfamiliar with our policies and guidelines, let alone with complex technical issues related to that particular article's subject-matter, is anything but helpful, even if that was what you were trying to do.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Could you apologize for adding a "needs translation" tag to the article when, had you actually read the text you tagged, it would have been obvious that no further translation was needed? Also, please apologize for adding the unsourced claim that classical Chinese text was "Japanese" to the article. This behaviour approaches vandalism in its disruptiveness: the only difference is that while vandalism is motivated by a desire to disrupt Misplaced Pages in general, what you did was motivated by a desire to disrupt articles that were written by me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • There's a lot of articles in Misplaced Pages with no sources whatsoever. So you should not be worry or feel harassed with the introduced tags.:) Have a good faith.--Rochelimit (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, so why don't you tag those articles as needing at least one source? The tag you added to the articles I wrote that only cited the NKBD exists because A single source is usually less than ideal, because a single source may be inaccurate or biased. Without other sources for corroboration, accuracy or neutrality may be suspect. By finding multiple independent sources, the reliability of the encyclopedia is improved. Did any of those articles have apparent problems with bias or accuracy? Neutrality? I had already explained on my talk page, in a comment you were clearly at least aware of, that these are not really concerns with the NKBD entries, which were each written by one (or at most three or four) authors -- who were generally the most venerable experts on the relevant topics in the world at the time they were commissioned to write the articles -- but were edited by third parties. And none of those topics are even subject to a significant amount of controversy to begin with. The documentation for the template you used explicitly told you Citing only one source is not a violation of any policy. Consider not adding this tag to ... articles that have no apparent problems with verifiability and neutrality. You clearly did not consider this, and I don't think you will be able to answer my above requests for elaboration on the accuracy or neutrality issues you found in the articles. I can assume good faith to a point, but you placed an accuracy/neutrality tag to no less than seven articles in the space of nine minutes, and I highly doubt you even read a single one of them in that time -- you definitely didn't read Textual tradition of The Tale of Genji -- so what motivation could you have possibly had but to hound me? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • And nope, I'm not reading any Titodutta to inspire me to tag your introduced articles. I'm actually reading all the introduced articles in WAM 2017 since yesterday, just for the sake of reading it.--Rochelimit (talk) 12:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
It's probably not worth asking, since I know you are only going to lie again and claim it's "just a coincidence" as you have been doing for the last several weeks, but are you going to try to explain how I'm actually reading all the introduced articles in WAM 2017 since yesterday, just for the sake of reading it can square with the fact that you edited twenty of my WAM 2017 articles (beginning three days before you wrote the above, not "since yesterday") and have otherwise not edited anyone's WAM entries but your own in the past week? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Strange coincidences are just swarming around you, aren't they? You are entitled to read my talk page, and even to lie and say you weren't reading my talk page, but it really makes it difficult to take your word for it when you do this time after time after time. I'm not the one impugning your good faith here -- you're doing that yourself with these constant claims that "it's just a coincidence that a bunch of accounts showed up after you told me to get other people to copy-edit my articles" and "it's just a coincidence that someone posted on your talk page that your articles could theoretically be hit with a one-source tag and then three days later I do just that". No one actually believed you last time (Bbb23 turned down the CU request because your obvious meatpuppets were not actually violating policy) and I highly doubt anyone would believe the above outlandish claim. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
On second thought, the above was not helpful. I don't for a second believe the claim that "it was just a coincidence", but even if it was just a coincidence that doesn't make the hounding or the insertion of inaccurate information into the articles any less disruptive, and honestly I'd rather stay focused on content even if you would not. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Noted--Rochelimit (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
So ... are you saying you will stop hounding me? Your contribs since writing the above don't seem to be hounding, but your replying to my request for your word that you will stop being a one-word "Noted" is not itself promising, given how you had already been issuing vague, diplomatic "Sure"s when I made similar requests that you drop your revenge-quest against me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey, for whatever reason I didn't notice these until just now, and so didn't bring up the suspicious timing of your edits since it appeared you had logged in several times in the three days between when User:Titodutta messaged me about "one source" and you started mass-tagging my WAM articles. But actually the time gap was barely two hours.
Please retract your above obvious lie that you were not monitoring my talk page and did not get the idea of mass-tagging my articles from that discussion. Your monitoring my talk page actually makes your mass-tagging even worse, since it means you definitely knew the tags would be inappropriate before you added them, as you had already read my response to Titodutta.
Apologize for your hounding, promise never to do such a thing to me or any other member of the community again, and I may choose not to bring your behaviour to the community's attention.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

More copy-pasted text

Rochelimit, seriously?

I was suspicious based on the Ayudha katti incident, so I went through a couple more of your articles (the bottom three of your last fifty created mainspace pages) and while Qa'a (room) didn't have any apparent problems (relying as it did on apparently offline sources, I did not bother looking too deeply at it), Hotel Sriwijaya, Jakarta contained one full sentence lifted straight from the source and another sentence with the pronoun "it" simply replaced with "the hotel", and Tiraz contained large chunks of copy-pasted text.

How many of your articles have these problems? Does the community need to pore over your work to get rid of all the plagiarized text? What about the text that you lifted straight from offline sources we don't have access to? Do the articles need to be deleted to ensure beyond doubt that this text is removed from Misplaced Pages?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:55, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Here as well. And here. And this as well. The only one of six articles I checked whose sources were online and free that did not apparently contain copy-pasted text was Dao (Naga sword), and that one appears to have verifiability issues as much of the content attributed to Greaves, Bowditch and Winston appears not to be backed up by that source. Marangga, Saka guru, Saintie, Madaka and Pisau raut are all based on offline sources in English -- how can we assume you didn't plagiarize those sources' text when 5/6 of the articles you wrote based on sources we can check were definitely found to contain plagiarized text? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Another one. Here as well. And here. Toradar contains a negligible datum attributed to an online source, which is not plagiarized, but is otherwise based almost exclusively on English-language offline sources. And this. Pupuk and Pichangatti are based to a large extent on English-language offline sources, and I am growing increasingly skeptical about whether you could be trusted if you claimed you didn't plagiarize text from them. Dirgantara Mandala Museum is the only one of this batch of articles that I'm confident you didn't plagiarize, since all the sources are in Indonesian but all our text is in English (meaning the only way you could have copy-pasted the text would be if you did so from another source not cited in the article, and I'm much too lazy to go find that out). That's a total of 21 articles analyzed, ten containing definite plagiarism, ten possibly containing plagiarism, and only one probably not containing plagiarism. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC) (edited 03:47, 10 December 2017 (UTC))
O_0 thanks for mentioning. I'm fixing them ASAP.--Rochelimit (talk) 08:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
RL, while most of your fixes were not as bad as this (which left in a copy-pasted sentence and blanked a "failed verification" tag while actually making the OR problem worse), it seems like all of them introduced new grammatical and spelling errors. Is all of your text either (a) in need of copy editing or (b) at least partly plagiarized?
And while "thanks for mentioning" is definitely a more cordial response than what I got last time I told someone off for copyright violation, it doesn't address the above problems adequately. You copy-pasted text onto Misplaced Pages at least a dozen times in the last few weeks, and that's just the ones I've been able to check so far. You have not answered any of the questions I posed to you. Assuming that this is not more evasiveness on your part and is instead a result of the manner in which I formatted the questions confusing you, I'll repost them in numeric bullet points:
  1. Do you understand that copy-pasting text from external sources onto Misplaced Pages is plagiarism, and is forbidden?
  2. Did you understand this before I brought this to your attention today?
  3. Are you willing to remove all the text you plagiarized in all the articles you have written for Misplaced Pages?
  4. Did you plagiarize your offline sources as well as the ones I was able to access?
  5. Did you plagiarize any text from unnamed sources, for example in the articles you wrote that cite only Indonesian and/or Dutch sources?
  6. Do you recognize that your repeated evasive lying (as you did when you claimed the meatpuppets you obviously recruited to help you copy edit your articles were just a mysterious coincidence, and when you claimed in the section just above this one that you were not monitoring my discussion with Titodutta on my talk page) will make it very difficult for other Wikipedians to take your word for it if your answers to questions 4 or 5 (or possibly even 2) are "no"?
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)