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Kingturtle (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Geraldine Page edits

I appreciate your notification concerning the Geraldine Page article. As far as I can determine, and my edits were most likely reviewed by editors responsible for the editorial drive, I did not remove any sourced material. I did tighten up and correct poorly written sentences. I will revert to the article to the last clean edit. Thank you!

Quill and Pen (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I will contact an admin concerning the reverting of a copy edited article that was done during the GOCE drive. As I wrote earlier, I am a retired professional writer, have a degree in English, and am well grounded in good writing. The edits I made to the Page article were done to bring the article up to speed and you have reverted those edits. If you could explain why you made those changes and reverted the article to a less well written one I would like to hear the explanation. Quill and Pen (talk) 02:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Death of Rebecca Zahau

I will review my edits and take appropriate action, if needed. Thank you!

Quill and Pen (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I just reverted your Zahau article edits too. You had the name incorrectly spelled in the article. Also, I am a retired professional writer and have a degree in English. I do know how to write. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and I appreciate assistance, but in this case the edits I made were the correct ones. If you have problems with these edits, that were reviewed by the editorial guild, please contact an admin. I do not wish an edit war. Thank you! Quill and Pen (talk) 17:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, in the Zahau article what I was factually and grammatically correct: The child died from a fatal fall not a life-threatening fall. The child died so it was fatal. Using the term life-threatening is a lot like writing an unexpected death. All deaths are unexpected as no one knows the date or time of our death. A lot of people do write unexpected death and that is a waste of words. KISS is best when it comes to tight, factual writing. Thanks! Quill and Pen (talk) 17:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The same could be said concerning your edits. I made good-faith edits are part of the Copy Editors Guild editing project. I tried to tighten sentences while attempting to maintain the contributions of others. That is what copy editing is all about. Thanks for your input. Quill and Pen (talk) 04:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

This is nothing but arrogance. Your writing shows no evidence of you being qualified to do it as a profession, and even if you were you have no right to demand that others cease working on any article. No administrator will listen favourably to your pleas and many would consider blocking you. Read the rules before you contribute further is the best advice I could give you, and then start with something simple. 194.83.172.131 (talk) 13:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa! While I appreciate the support and can't say I entirely disagree with the sentiments expressed here, this matter is now closed. Quill and Pen made some inappropriate edits and ignored some basic Misplaced Pages policy regarding both the Death of Rebecca Zahau and Geraldine Page articles, but an admin was contacted, reviewed the situation, and intervened to instruct Quill and Pen to cease the disruptive behavior. Situation resolved, no matter how much Quill and Pen continues to post about it. You may want to rethink your own comments, since you don't want any accusations about a lack of civility leveled against yourself. If you have had, or continue to have issues with Quill and Pen, I recommend contacting an admin yourself. I don't want any wars on my talk page. Thanks. Grandpallama (talk) 16:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your civil response. I appreciate it. Quill and Pen (talk) 00:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

I've left a message on that user's talk page, and placed Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes on my watchlist. I'll monitor the situation to see how it develops. Thanks, and Happy Holidays. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Photo consensus discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion on the matter discussed at the bottom of this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Grandpallama (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion on a photo in this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Secret Service codename

I'm unclear on your statement of the listing for Albert Gore being "Rediculous". It is unclear in the source whether it refers to VP Gore's father Albert Gore, Sr. 1907-1998 or his son born 1982.Naraht (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

The context makes clear that the codename is obviously tied to the son. Gore Sr. finished his service in the Senate in 1970 (and Senators don't receive Secret Service protection, anyway), and fathers of vice presidents don't receive Secret Service protection, either. However, 10-year-old boys whose fathers have just been elected to the vice presidency do receive Secret Service protection. There is absolutely no valid reason why this would be anyone other than Al Gore's son. If nothing else, why would codenames be listed for all the boy's sisters, but not for the boy himself? You are right that the source does not explicitly state "Albert Gore III," but I would argue that its failure to do so does not in any way call into question which Gore is being identified. Grandpallama (talk) 20:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Context? The reference is to a list ordered by codename. And Rose Kennedy *did* have a secret service code name. However I missed that Sarah Gore had the codename of 'Screwdriver' from that source.Naraht (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Rose Kennedy was also an integral part of the extended Kennedy clan and was frequently at the White House. And your argument, as I already pointed out, doesn't make any sense, because if that codename were in reference to Gore's father, then where is the codename for Gore's son? That's the point of the context.

All that said, though, I don't think this really matters. As I was reading, it just stuck out to me as ridiculously obvious, and so I removed it. If you feel that strongly about it, put it back in there. Grandpallama (talk) 03:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

My comment was more on the comment about it being 'rediculous' I thought that it was *possible* given the lack of all of the children. As I noted, with Sarah being there, having each of the kids makes more sense and I'm sure it is Gore III. On a different point. Since Albert Gore III and Sarah don't have separate wikipedia pages, should they be in the lists?Naraht (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

And my apologies if my edit summary came across as rude--that was not my intent. As for your question, I don't think I'm really qualified to weigh in on that, since I'm not really an expert on the subject matter. It might be something worth asking on the talk page, actually. Grandpallama (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox photo consensus discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion on which photo would be better for the Rebecca Housel Infobox in this discussion? If you are unable to, I understand; you don't have to reply to this message. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Hello G. Thanks for the ping. I wanted to let you know that I suspect the person editing that page is our long-term problem editor from Burton-(up)on-Trent. See info at these links for more info.

• User:MarnetteD/Burton-on-Trent Vandal
• Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/90.200.85.232

Now there are a couple anomalies this time which I have mentioned here User talk:Drmies#A possible return of the Burton-on-Trent editor. This may be more info than you want but I thought I would make you aware of the situation. Thanks for your time and your vigilance is much appreciated. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 22:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I definitely appreciate the info, and it looks like Drmies has already blocked him. The edits certainly struck me as disruptive, but I'd been wondering if I was being too impatient by not trying to be more AGF-ey. Now I feel relieved to know I pegged the situation correctly. Grandpallama (talk) 15:15, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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The IPs you've been reverting

Hi Grandpallama, you've been reverting a number IPs as socks. Would you please let me know whose socks they are? It might also be beneficial to file an SPI so that we can take further action. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Callanecc. The user is an IP user from UK who has previously been identified as a problem editor. Lately he has returned, always using different IPs, adding disruptive edits (changing film categories, rewriting ledes to include very poorly-written English, removing information without explanation), and moving to a new IP each time he gets blocked. Users Doniago and MarnetteD have also been part of the effort to revert his edits, including getting some of the pages semi-protected. Drmies is aware of the situation, and as you can see, has rolled back the editor's changes on multiple occasions. At first I was leaving an edit summary of "disruptive editing" or "unconstructive edits," but since he has lately taken to using a different IP each time Drmies blocks the latest IP, I had been using the term "IP sock editing." You can see some of the history and discussion about this editor here, including the concerns we expressed that by continuing to patrol his problematic edits, we were going to become perceived as edit warring. If you'd prefer I continue to use something like "unconstructive edits" when we deal with his editing behavior, I can certainly return to that language. Grandpallama (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Marnette is more aware of this situation than I am, but yeah. I've made some blocks using the term "Burton-on-Trent vandal". Drmies (talk) 16:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I am afraid that my on-Wiki time is very limited this weekend. A few months ago we had an ANI thread about this with several relevant links. There was also a thread on Bishonen's talk page. I am sorry that I don't have the time to find them for you at the moment but maybe someone else will. One of these threads had a link to a SPI as well. I can tell you that the editor has been around for years now and has, sadly, never responded to messages or requests on the various talk pages. Cheers to all of you in working on this. MarnetteD | Talk 19:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been making some headway by requesting protection for the pages in question...unfortunately while I note that multiple articles are being impacted, that part apparently goes ignored. I don't understand why we should need to request protection for each article individually when it's clearly an IP sock editor editing the same pages every time. DonIago (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Wil Wheaton photo discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in the consensus subthread of this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Infobox photo discussion

Hi again. Happy New Year. Can you offer your opinion on which photo is better for the Infobox here? If you're not able to participate, just disregard this message; you don't have to message me. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for participating in the photo discussion. I really appreciate it. One thing: A new photo has been uploaded and added to the discussion. I hope I'm not bothering you by asking if you would mind indicating whether this changes your viewpoint, or whether it remains unchanged? Thank you very much. Nightscream (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Damion Scott Infobox photo discussion

Hi. Damion Scott has taken issue with the photo in his article. He previously demanded that I replace it with one that I thought inferior to the one already in the Infobox, and has now replaced with a third one of his own. In the interest of WP:CONSENSUS, can you offer your opinion on this? Thanks again. Nightscream (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Pirates (1986 film)

To be fair, I can barely see the image on the source.If you can find a clearer one with Lewis and Jacobs on it, I'll be happy to go with that. Quentin X (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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Move request

A request to change the title and content of a comics article has begun at Talk:X-Men (film series)#Requested move 7 April 2017. Any interested WikiProject:Comics editor may comment there within one week. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

September 2017

Hello, I'm TheOldJacobite. I noticed that you recently removed content from Class (film) without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 12:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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@TheOldJacobite I don't think this is meant for me, since I have not edited the page in question without edit summaries, nor have I removed content. I have, however, restored a coherent version of the plot summary that an anon IP keeps trying to replace without any edit summaries or talkpage discussion. Perhaps this warning was meant for him/her? Grandpallama (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This is very strange, since I have never edited that article and didn't have it on my watch list (I just added it). So, yes, I am sure you are correct about my having put the warning in the wrong place. I'm very sorry about that. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 16:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheOldJacobite Well now I know why it was so very strange. The anon IP (whom you recently reverted at the article in question) is the one who posted this ridiculous warning, using your username. I didn't even notice that, since it never occurred to me that someone would masquerade as you. It came to my attention today because it looks like he later tried to revise the edit, replacing your info with his, but a well-meaning user reverted the talkpage edits. This looks like a mixture of edit warring and incompetence, from what I can see. Grandpallama (talk) 17:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

That is very interesting! And, yes, also incompetent. We're going to have to keep an eye on him. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 17:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Those other accounts are from other people in my home, not me.

You can address it at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Fourlaxers. Grandpallama (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Jerry Brudos

Dddwwwps (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)I appreciate that you reverted using a BLP claim instead of the completely bogus assertion that using a fake name from an Ann Rule book was preferable to the multiple primary source referenced and accurate name I corrected the article with. I disagree that BLP applies for multiple reasons, #1 being that "Facts are Facts" applies. It might well be appropriate to remove the factual name of the spouse of the subject of an article for other reasons, I would certainly defer to someone more experienced in Misplaced Pages in that regard. Repeated re-insertions of an unreferenced and inaccurate name, this is certainly not the first time, is puzzling.

Other Misplaced Pages articles of notorious people (example https://en.wikipedia.org/Gary_Ridgway) list spouses. While it may be unfortunate to have been married to a serial killer, it remains factual and Misplaced Pages should be reporting facts (as opposed to the fictional name of Darcie that is too widely spread across the internet thanks to Ann Rule and subverting Misplaced Pages accuracy by replicating the name here does a disservice to Misplaced Pages). I was careful to not provide her current name, I'd find that to be only of prurient interest and certainly not public knowledge.

For those not familiar with Ann Rule books, she often changed the names of secondary characters in her books. In her book about Jerome Brudos she changed the name of his spouse, his children and his brother among other names. True crime books that provide no references are not, IMO, a place to source material for Misplaced Pages.

@Dddwwwps I'm not disputing the validity of the sources or the factual accuracy, but WP generally respects the wishes of people who don't just prefer not to go by an original name but who have made efforts to suppress its use for privacy/safety reasons. I think that's all the more true in the case of someone who deliberately changed her name and tried to start over with a new life in order to escape something very ugly, and who may still be alive. I'm generally more a supporter of not trying to censor information, but this particular case feels a bit different, even from other serial killers, which is why I've referred it to Oversight for a ruling. I'm not entirely sure BLP applies here, but my uneasiness is such that I'd prefer to err on the side of caution until guidance is provided. Grandpallama (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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I love your user name

That's all I wanted to say, really. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:10, 7 February 2018 (UTC)