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The article currently grossly fails to neutrally summarize the 2017 '']'' source, drawing out only the NRA's estimate of the number of AR-15 style rifles owned in the US, while conspicuously ignoring the lead of the source: the use in mass shootings. The article currently grossly fails to neutrally summarize the 2017 '']'' source, drawing out only the NRA's estimate of the number of AR-15 style rifles owned in the US, while conspicuously ignoring the lead of the source: the use in mass shootings.
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If you oppose the above proposed content, kindly propose an alternative summarization of these noteworthy reliable sources. ] (]) 20:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC) If you oppose the above proposed content, kindly propose an alternative summarization of these noteworthy reliable sources. ] (]) 20:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
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*Agree with Pharos and Mudwater. This is our article for "AR-style" or "AR-15 style" rifles, which are widely covered in regards to mass shootings, so it isn't unreasonable to include that here with the proper context. ]] 19:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC) *Agree with Pharos and Mudwater. This is our article for "AR-style" or "AR-15 style" rifles, which are widely covered in regards to mass shootings, so it isn't unreasonable to include that here with the proper context. ]] 19:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - mass-shootings already have their own articles, all relevant info is, or should be, in that page and not needlessly duplicated on other articles. If we start adding info about just one shooting incident to one tenuously-connected article, we'll be opening a literal Pandora's box. We'll have to add info on numerous firearms-related incidents to multiple articles, throwing many of them out of balance.

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RE: introductory statement, origin/use of "modern sporting rifle"

Using Google and Wayback you can find the exact term "modern sporting rifle" (or rifles plural) dating back to 1913 at the least (see: Western New England Magazine; Volume 3, No. 1). More recently, this term can be found in multiple books on firearms, magazine articles, marketing material, and other relevant publication throughout the 1990s and early 2000s. Clearly the entire claim (and implication) that the term was "created" in or "dated" to 2009 is demonstrably false. Also, close variations such as "modern sporting firearm" or "gun" have been in use long before 2009, as have "sporting rifle(s)". See also: vis-a-vis "classic sporting rifle". If there are no objections on merit, I propose to delete this provably false statement that reeks of politicized viewpoint or advocacy smear against the firearm industry. -- Brewster1971 (talk) 00:12, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

In a way the 1866 Winchester developed from the 1860 Henry used by the Union Army in the America Civil War was a modern sporting rifle with a military heritage. (Well, it was modern for 1860s.) American sports shooters tend to sporterize military rifles in part because they are seen as more robust and easy to maintain than many civilian designs. Also military vets often see no need to relearn a weapons system (safety, handling, maintenance) just to take up recreational shooting target or hunting. Americans have a tradition of adapting the current military issue weapon to sporting purposes and the government through the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, Director of Civilian Marksmanship, Civilian Marksmanship Program has actively promoted civilian possession and training with military arms. Countries that fear revolution have a history of banning civilian ownership of military rifles or even rifles of military caliber, but America has a tradition of the military relying on volunteerism in the face of national emergency and see civilian familiarity with issue arm as an asset and not a liability. Modern sporting rifles based on the current military issue rifle is just American. Like civilian Jeeps and Humvees. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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Use in mass shootings in the United States

The subject of this article is a highly noteworthy category of firearms. The below proposed content is entirely compliant with Misplaced Pages policy and guideline; inclusion of this aspect of the subject is required by Misplaced Pages's neutrality policy, and the exclusion of all mention of this aspect is a severe policy violation. The sources are among the most highly reliable and noteworthy available, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, Time, U.S. News & World Report, and USA Today. These sources are much more noteworthy than most of the sources currently in the article. The use of the subject of this article in mass shootings is objectively, as measured by coverage in noteworthy reliable sources, the single most noteworthy aspect of the subject of this article.

According to the The New York Times, as of February, 2018 AR-15 style rifles were used in five of the six most deadly mass shootings in the United States between 2012 and 2018 (the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut; the 2015 San Bernardino attack in California; the 2017 Las Vegas shooting in Nevada; the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting in Texas; and the 2018 Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida). According to The Washington Post, AR-15 style rifles were used in five of the most deadly mass shootings between 2012 and 2018.

In February 2018 the Los Angeles Times included the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting in Florida in reporting that AR-15 style rifles were used in the six most recent of the ten most deadly mass shootings in modern United States history. According to The Wall Street Journal in 2018, AR-15 style rifles were used in six of the ten most deadly mass shootings in modern United States history. According to Time magazine, AR-15 style rifles were used in six of the ten most deadly mass shootings between 2008 and 2018.

USA Today identified twelve mass shootings in the United States that involved AR-15 style rifles between February 1984 and February 2018.

AR-15 style rifles have been described as "the weapon of choice" of perpetrators of mass shootings by The New York Times, CNN, U.S. News & World Report, and USA Today.

References

  1. ^ Oppel Jr., Richard A. (February 15, 2018). "In Florida, an AR-15 Is Easier to Buy Than a Handgun". The New York Times. Retrieved February 15, 2018. Newtown. San Bernardino. Las Vegas. Sutherland Springs. And now, Parkland. Five of the six deadliest mass shootings of the past six years in the United States. In each of them, the gunman had an AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle...The N.R.A. calls the AR-15 the most popular rifle in America. The carnage in Florida on Wednesday that left at least 17 dead seemed to confirm that the rifle and its variants have also become the weapons of choice for mass killers.
  2. Vitkovskaya, Julie; Martin, Patrick (February 16, 2018). "4 basic questions about the AR-15". The Washington Post. An AR-15 once again made an appearance at a mass shooting, this time at a Parkland, Fla., high school on Wednesday...These AR-style rifles have appeared in some of the deadliest shootings in the last few years, including a concert in Las Vegas, a nightclub in Orlando, a church in Texas and an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
  3. Pearce, Matt (February 14, 2018). "Mass shootings are getting deadlier. And the latest ones all have something new in common: The AR-15". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved February 15, 2018. The nation's mass-shooting problem seems to be getting worse. And the latest, most serious shootings all seem to have one new thing in common: the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle...in all of the latest incidents — Newtown, Conn., in 2012; San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015; Orlando, Fla., in 2016; Las Vegas, 2017; Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017 — the attackers primarily used AR-15 semiautomatic rifles.
  4. Elinson, Zusha (February 16, 2018). "AR-15 Style Rifles: Popular and Easily Customized". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved February 16, 2018. Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history have taken place since 2012. All of the shooters in those six attacks used AR-15 style rifles...
  5. Jenkins, Aric (February 15, 2018). "Many Mass Shootings in America Have 1 Thing in Common: AR-15 Rifles". Time. Retrieved February 16, 2018. Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the U.S. over the past decade have used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle.
  6. Cummings, William; Jansen, Bart (February 14, 2018). "Why the AR-15 keeps appearing at America's deadliest mass shootings". USA Today. Retrieved February 15, 2018. Here is a list of mass shootings in the U.S. that featured AR-15-style rifles during the last 35 years, courtesy of the Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries and USA TODAY research...
  7. Smith, Aaron (June 21, 2016). "Why the AR-15 is the mass shooter's go-to weapon". CNN. Retrieved February 15, 2018. The AR-15, the type of rifle used in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, is the weapon of choice for mass killers. Omar Mateen used a Sig Sauer AR-15 rifle, and also a Glock handgun, in his murder of 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, according to the FBI. He shot more than 100 people, including survivors, before he was gunned down by police...The AR-15, which has been used by the U.S. military in every war since Vietnam, has also served as a murder weapon in some of the most horrific mass shootings. AR-15s were used to kill and maim crowds of innocent people at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut; a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado; and a workplace party in San Bernardino, California.
  8. Williams, Joseph P. (November 7, 2017). "How the AR-15 Became One of the Most Popular Guns in America, A brief history of the guns that have become the weapons of choice for mass shootings". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved February 15, 2018. They're lightweight, relatively cheap and extremely lethal, inspired by Nazi infantrymen on the Eastern Front during World War II. They're so user-friendly some retailers recommend them for children, yet their design is so aggressive one marketer compared them to carrying a "man card" -- although ladies who dare can get theirs in pink. And if the last few mass shootings are any indication, guns modeled after the AR-15 assault rifle -- arguably the most popular, most enduring and most profitable firearm in the U.S. -- have become the weapon of choice for unstable, homicidal men who want to kill a lot of people very, very quickly.
  9. Jansen, Bart; Cummings, William (November 6, 2017). "Why mass shooters are increasingly using AR-15s". USA Today. Retrieved February 15, 2018. AR-15 style rifles have been the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings, including the Texas church shooting Sunday, the Las Vegas concert last month, the Orlando nightclub last year and Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012.

The article currently grossly fails to neutrally summarize the 2017 USA Today source, drawing out only the NRA's estimate of the number of AR-15 style rifles owned in the US, while conspicuously ignoring the lead of the source: the use in mass shootings.

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If you oppose the above proposed content, kindly propose an alternative summarization of these noteworthy reliable sources. IMAParent (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Limpscash: How would you summarize these sources? IMAParent (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support -- Although the repetition in your text should be seriously reduced, and more context added that most firearm-related homicides in the US are from handguns.--Pharos (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment -- If this article is going to talk about the use of modern sporting rifles in mass shootings, and provide reliable statistics such as these, it should also talk about the role of MSRs in overall U.S. gun violence. In the U.S., many people are shot every year. The large majority of those shootings are not mass shootings, and I'm under the impression that most individual gun crimes are done with handguns. Can we provide statistics showing, out of all the people in the U.S. who were shot in recent years, what percentage were shot with MSRs? I believe the percentage will be quite low, but I haven't looked into this myself. — Mudwater 15:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • It seems like it's about 5% for rifles in overall U.S. gun violence, though MSRs aren't broken out, and a substantial number of firearms homicides are from an unidentified weapon. It would be appropriate to include the relevant numbers.--Pharos (talk) 17:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
I would say that the role in mass shootings is notable on its own, regardless of mass shootings in general. –dlthewave ☎ 19:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose--RAF910 (talk) 17:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Agree with Pharos and Mudwater. This is our article for "AR-style" or "AR-15 style" rifles, which are widely covered in regards to mass shootings, so it isn't unreasonable to include that here with the proper context. ansh666 19:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose - mass-shootings already have their own articles, all relevant info is, or should be, in that page and not needlessly duplicated on other articles. If we start adding info about just one shooting incident to one tenuously-connected article, we'll be opening a literal Pandora's box. We'll have to add info on numerous firearms-related incidents to multiple articles, throwing many of them out of balance.
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